#1 Posted by Just Because Im Obsessive (653 posts) - - Show Bio



 


 
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#2 Posted by Baldy (5021 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably going to have to back Daleks here even though I hate Dr. Who.

#3 Posted by Lunacyde (17387 posts) - - Show Bio
@Baldy:  how can you hate Doctor Who? lol :P
#4 Posted by AtPhantom (14465 posts) - - Show Bio

Daleks can wage war on a universal and transtemporal scale. This is a stomp.
 
On a side note, I wish Methos was here to see this. : )

#5 Posted by Baldy (5021 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lunacyde said:
" @Baldy:  how can you hate Doctor Who? lol :P "
The stories never struck me as being very good. I think i might be a freak though as all my friends like Dr. Who. xD
#6 Posted by Lunacyde (17387 posts) - - Show Bio
@Baldy: @Baldy: I don't love it, but it's very likeable lol....it's not nearly as dominant over here in the U.S. as opposed ot Britain from what I hear.
#7 Posted by Just Because Im Obsessive (653 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lunacyde said:
" @Baldy:  how can you hate Doctor Who? lol :P "

i know right 
 
dr who is awesome
#8 Posted by TGalinsky (236 posts) - - Show Bio

STAR WARS ALL DAY!!!

#9 Posted by Fire_Ant (143 posts) - - Show Bio

I seem to always be rooting for the underdog. I do find Dr. Who highly annoying, and I'm a big Star Wars fan, but I don't give The Daleks a bad vote because the show sucks. I say the show sucks because Dr. Who's enemies are laughable at best. What are the Dalek's going to do when Vader pushes them on their side? I've seen an old man take out a Dalek with a can of spray paint! Whovians... Guys... You can't be serious. The Daleks regularly surrender with out putting up a fight against a (decidedly clever) nerd with a bow tie! They threaten, but never act. Some incarnations can easily be avoided by running up a flight of stairs. They're a bunch of idiotic tanks with energy shielding. Whoopydi do. Picard distracts them with a song and dance while the 501st sabotages their whole operation. lol.

#10 Posted by hudyman (1630 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fire_Ant said:

I seem to always be rooting for the underdog. I do find Dr. Who highly annoying, and I'm a big Star Wars fan, but I don't give The Daleks a bad vote because the show sucks. I say the show sucks because Dr. Who's enemies are laughable at best. What are the Dalek's going to do when Vader pushes them on their side? I've seen an old man take out a Dalek with a can of spray paint! Whovians... Guys... You can't be serious. The Daleks regularly surrender with out putting up a fight against a (decidedly clever) nerd with a bow tie! They threaten, but never act. Some incarnations can easily be avoided by running up a flight of stairs. They're a bunch of idiotic tanks with energy shielding. Whoopydi do. Picard distracts them with a song and dance while the 501st sabotages their whole operation. lol.

That whole statement just contradicts itself.

If they are idiotic i dont understand how they could created advanced energy shielding technology for each dalek.

Whether or not enemies are stupid that does not change the fact that they are deadly

#11 Posted by Fire_Ant (143 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably not an appropriate analogy to use, but Americans made the A-bomb and used it on Japan. Yet, their academics have always been superior. They have technological prowess, but they're slow, their dialogue is horrendous, and they've been outwitted in every appearance I've ever seen them in. Spray paint for the win. Or maybe a well placed tomato. Place all of the Emperor's Hands and Vader on a Dalek ship and they'll use the force to pop those little mutants in their shells. Luke repelled an AT-AT's head cannon and launched it back at it with his lightsaber, and probably a little help from the force. What can the Daleks do against that?

#12 Posted by The_Imperator (1709 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fire_Ant said:

Probably not an appropriate analogy to use, but Americans made the A-bomb and used it on Japan. Yet, their academics have always been superior. They have technological prowess, but they're slow, their dialogue is horrendous, and they've been outwitted in every appearance I've ever seen them in. Spray paint for the win. Or maybe a well placed tomato. Place all of the Emperor's Hands and Vader on a Dalek ship and they'll use the force to pop those little mutants in their shells. Luke repelled an AT-AT's head cannon and launched it back at it with his lightsaber, and probably a little help from the force. What can the Daleks do against that?

They can blow up their own ship, taking the people on it with them. And then proceed blow up any ships that come against them, with planetary destroying level weapons.

However, this Battle has a problem - which version of the Daleks and Federation is being used? Because if we assume Daleks from their first appearance, then they don't even know aliens exist and live in one city. As opposed to 31st Century Federation, which has time travel and other possible Galactic+ FTL.

#13 Posted by Vrakmul (23395 posts) - - Show Bio

It's like throwing puppies into a wood chipper if you're using Time War Era Daleks.

#14 Edited by Fire_Ant (143 posts) - - Show Bio

What planet's have the Dalek's destroyed? Cause Alderaan's an asteroid field, and Earth is safe and sound in Who-ville. Even if they have time travel, I've never seen them use it effectively. If we're talking the Dalek's from the Peter Cushing movie, A squad of 12 stormtroopers could clear that city. If we're talking the ones the last three doctors have faced, They might put up a fight, but being able to time travel, so you can attack your enemy in the past, is pointless if said enemy can see into the future like Sith can. In a ground war, the Daleks don't stand a chance, knowing that they might choose to clear the board. Fair enough. In space? I don't know what their ships are capable of... because I've never seen them do anything other than (attempt to) look imposing in them.

"Whether or not enemies are stupid that does not change the fact that they are deadly"

It most certainly does. What I want to know is how they built all of this fabulous tech with their goofy plunger fists. But I digress. I'm no Trekky, but I know that when you're going up against Picard, intelligence really really does matter. He can get them to do WHATEVER he wants. Just easily as the doctor does. Really. He could talk them into flying into the sun, or if all else fails program their phasers to a frequency that ignores the Daleks shielding, or shuts them down entirely. They're buffoons, and intentionally written as such. Have you heard their dialogue? Hell, R2-D2 could disguise himself as one and hack their ship. It'd be quite comical and not even then as ridiculous as some of the methods the doctor's used in the many many times he's defeated them. A "stomp" you say? How can you stomp when you're incapable of tying the shoes on your nonexistent feet?

#15 Posted by AtPhantom (14465 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fire_Ant: Just to ask, have you actually any Dalek episodes since the revival? Because for all their cheesy dialogue and PMSing personalities, their plots generally involve taking over or blowing up the universe, and they generally act more or less unstoppable to anything anyone throws at them until the Doctor steps in.

#16 Posted by Lord_Johnathan (3216 posts) - - Show Bio

The average dalek saucer has supernova level firepower and durability and intergalactic ftl. Dalek capital ships go way beyond that. Compare the dalek's zettatons to star war's measely terratons and starfleet's pissant megatons. That's right, the death star would not scorch the paint of a basic saucer. This is like hind choppers against roman legionnares and cavemen.

#17 Posted by The_Imperator (1709 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fire_Ant: Weakened, non-Time War Daleks blew up a planet in the nuWho episode Asylum of the Daleks, though in one of the audios they blow up a galaxy. Or they go around blowing planets' atmospheres off like in the Dalek Empire audios. Or they create a disease that can only be cured with an chemical that the Daleks manufacture, and then release it using teleportation into all the ships. Or they sit in the Time Vortex and blow up the ships one at a time. The list of ways to win goes on and on.

And no, Picard isn't going to just talk them into a Supernova or something because first off that wouldn't be powerful enough to destroy their ships, and second the Doctor is stated to have an in-universe PIS field, which is why they get stupid around him.

Add tot that Time Loops, and all their fancy time tech, and the Q are probably the only thing that could hope to stand up to them.

#18 Posted by Lord_Johnathan (3216 posts) - - Show Bio

Given that the daleks have universe to multiverse busting tech, they could damn well kill the Q with the element of surpdise.

#19 Posted by Fire_Ant (143 posts) - - Show Bio

"And no, Picard isn't going to just talk them into a Supernova or something because first off that wouldn't be powerful enough to destroy their ships, and second the Doctor is stated to have an in-universe PIS field, which is why they get stupid around him." Okay. That's honest at least. Although, I will say anybody with the force would be a little tough to kill with most diseases. Also, I didn't know their ship's were that strong, but I'm still curious how they built them. I mean not just because they don't have graspers of any sort, but how did they melt metal that can withstand a sun? They welded with a weapon more powerful than the Death Star? Pretty silly if you ask me. Blowing off atmospheres, sure that's scary, and they could then likely take a Star Destroyer or 10 with out trouble. As Vader said though, the ability to destroy a planet is nothing compared to the power of the force. I'm positive they would be vulnerable to mind tricks, and a force user can easily crush their squishy insides with TK.

#20 Posted by The_Imperator (1709 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fire_Ant said:

"And no, Picard isn't going to just talk them into a Supernova or something because first off that wouldn't be powerful enough to destroy their ships, and second the Doctor is stated to have an in-universe PIS field, which is why they get stupid around him." Okay. That's honest at least. Although, I will say anybody with the force would be a little tough to kill with most diseases. Also, I didn't know their ship's were that strong, but I'm still curious how they built them. I mean not just because they don't have graspers of any sort, but how did they melt metal that can withstand a sun? They welded with a weapon more powerful than the Death Star? Pretty silly if you ask me. Blowing off atmospheres, sure that's scary, and they could then likely take a Star Destroyer or 10 with out trouble. As Vader said though, the ability to destroy a planet is nothing compared to the power of the force. I'm positive they would be vulnerable to mind tricks, and a force user can easily crush their squishy insides with TK.

They force people to build them, and force them to manually mine for metals and resources. They don't care about efficiency, they just enjoy being sadistic.

While mind tricks may work, they still would have to be up close to them, and Daleks prefer to not have ground battles unless absolutely necessary.

#21 Posted by JediXMan (27947 posts) - - Show Bio

Going with Daleks.

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#22 Posted by Fire_Ant (143 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, fleet vs fleet, I hate to say, but it's leaning towards the Daleks. I still feel like Picard and Vader could put their resources together to formulate a plan, board their ship, and go after the leaders.

#23 Posted by The_Imperator (1709 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fire_Ant said:

Yeah, fleet vs fleet, I hate to say, but it's leaning towards the Daleks. I still feel like Picard and Vader could put their resources together to formulate a plan, board their ship, and go after the leaders.

Depending on the era, it is either an Emperor on Skaro itself, or a council. And while 1v1 Force User vs Dalek odds are good, numbers plus extreme casual disregard for casualties means it'll be hard to ever actually board a ship.

#24 Posted by Fire_Ant (143 posts) - - Show Bio

Shouldn't it be pretty easy for them to use the Enterprise to teleport onto the mothership? Figuring out which one that is could be a matter of using the force, or by it being much larger than the rest, I'm not really sure. Would they attack their own command ship if enemies were aboard? Does that depend on who's leading the Daleks?

#25 Posted by SavageDragon (2166 posts) - - Show Bio

Star Wars

#26 Posted by The_Imperator (1709 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fire_Ant said:

Shouldn't it be pretty easy for them to use the Enterprise to teleport onto the mothership? Figuring out which one that is could be a matter of using the force, or by it being much larger than the rest, I'm not really sure. Would they attack their own command ship if enemies were aboard? Does that depend on who's leading the Daleks?

It depends on who's leading the Daleks. Added to the fact that the Emperor's mind can be backed up onto other Daleks, when needed. Daleks don't hesitate to kill each other if they know it will serve them in the long run. Plus, depending on the era of Daleks, they don't even have to be in real space to fight their enemies. THat is the problem with Dalek debates, no one thinks about the era.

@SavageDragon said:

Star Wars

Why?

#27 Posted by SavageDragon (2166 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Imperator:

I dont watch Doctor who, so I vote star Wars lol

#28 Posted by 8bitGangsta (392 posts) - - Show Bio

Daleks will get EXTERMINATED

#29 Posted by Scoop316 (156 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably the Daleks based on feats, but don't overrate them. If the Galactic Empire and Starfleet can adapt, they have a shot. Only Time War Daleks would definitely win without much trouble. Keep in mind they're mostly deadly only because of their temporal tech. Don't bring up stuff like the reality bomb, it isn't known if it could really do what the Daleks said it could, and I highly doubt it could.