#1 Edited by victorymaker (349 posts) - - Show Bio

The rules of this race are simple: The first person to circle the entire globe 100 times wins. Now, personally, I think Flash takes this. Why? Because he has the ability to go at whatever speed he choses. There are no limits to his speed, but at the same time, I never underestimate Surfer's speed. I know that he is incredibly fast, can achieve speeds far beyond those of lightspeed in hyperspace, and is a good match for Flash, but in the end, I believe that Flash will be victorious in this race. I also want to add that, if you have any scans to support what you say, do show them. I would like this to be more of a discussion topic thread, rather than just a "Surfer wins, Flash wins" thread. Personally, I hate those. We are all comic fans here, and in being comic fans, we should have discussions with other comic fans with evidence to support our claims, not just give fanboy answers like "He wins" and not have any proof to support your claim. 

 

 

 
#2 Posted by Superparody (2011 posts) - - Show Bio

cant the surfer go hyperspeed???
#3 Posted by FlashingxImpulse (2 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, you know Wally can absorb Surfers speed and stack it onto his own. So that wouldn't work too well for Surfer, would it?

#4 Edited by Tian (149 posts) - - Show Bio
@victorymaker:  
I'm voting Flash, I know a lot of people will say surfer. 
But I'm sticking to flash based on his description and near oneness with the speed force. 
 
It's said that Flash can go 500x the speed of light easily. He breaks through all the known speed barriers. He can brush up against the Speed Force(Whatever that means). He can make everything look as though it freezes in time.It's said that he can go as fast as he wants, if that is true than he can go faster than the surfer if he wants.
#5 Edited by OhTru (1583 posts) - - Show Bio
@Tian said:

" @victorymaker:  It's said that Flash can go 500x the speed of light easily. "

  Surfer has SilverAge levels of speed, he is said to be MILLIONS of  times light speed, traveling MANY light years not in a year or days or even hours
He travels to far away stars or planets in just a matter of seconds 


 

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said:

" Well, you know Wally can absorb Surfers speed and stack it onto his own "

No he can't 
Surfer's skin is practically impenetrable and the Silver Surfer has resisted energy absorption numerous times and Surfer has totally control over every molecule in his body.  Anyway if cheating is allowed and since Surfer is faster than Flash I'm sure he can just absorb Wally's life force leaving him dead on the floor so there is no possibility of Wally West ever winning the race
Surfer can do this to Wally without ever laying a hand on him
#6 Edited by Tian (149 posts) - - Show Bio
@OhTru: Wally is so fast he makes light speed look like it's standing still. 
 
Given the fact that Wally is faster than Death itself, and that he can move and react to the attosecond or a zeptosecond. Basically a second to us would seem like more than trillion years to him(since the origin of the universe) 
Based on description I'd say Wally is faster. 
 
He's described as being the fastest being to ever have existed in DC. 
Surfer is fast, and he has great accomplishments. But there's nothing to signify that he's the fastest being in Marvel.
#7 Posted by MKF30 (11635 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally for sure, I agree with the O.P. plus once he goes Speed Force nothing is faster then that(outside of Zoom I believe) 
 
My votes for Flash here.

#8 Edited by Mortein (2796 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash probably has faster reaction time, but in race Surfer wins. I don't think flash can move more then few hundred times faster then light.
Surfer can pass light years in second which means he is more then 30 million times faster then light.

#9 Posted by FlashingxImpulse (2 posts) - - Show Bio

Considering Flash has comeback from even other dimensions, Flash has surpassed the speed of time before. Its roots comes from the love he has for his wife, Linda. Considering Surfer doesn't have that in his life, he never has something that can push him hard enough. Another thing, get Surfer off his bored and see if he can run faster than Wally.

#10 Posted by comicdude23 (11399 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally taps into the speed force and wins

#11 Edited by difficlus (10679 posts) - - Show Bio

SS 

#12 Posted by God_Spawn (37568 posts) - - Show Bio

im actually gonna say SS might win
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#13 Posted by uknow (768 posts) - - Show Bio

flash wins easy

#14 Posted by Reactor (2485 posts) - - Show Bio

Speed Force >>>>> All except Zoom, and even then, there have been occasions when a Speedster has caught up to Zoom. This isn't a matter of reaching the speed of light, its how many times faster than light he goes. SS gets beat, he can't beat Wally's speed.

#15 Posted by difficlus (10679 posts) - - Show Bio
@Reactor said:
" Speed Force >>>>> All except Zoom, and even then, there have been occasions when a Speedster has caught up to Zoom. This isn't a matter of reaching the speed of light, its how many times faster than light he goes. SS gets beat, he can't beat Wally's speed. "
you do know SS can achieve FTL speed without hyperspace right? 
#16 Posted by Over_kill (2715 posts) - - Show Bio

Can I just say that Wally wins and I know from a previous debate that I've had?  That particular debate was SS vs Barry Allen though.  However, it's common knowledge that Wally is faster than Barry.  Seeing as at the end of it all Barry beat SS, Wally stomps SS.  Will post a link to that disscussion in a few. 

#17 Posted by Over_kill (2715 posts) - - Show Bio
#18 Posted by Fito510 (55 posts) - - Show Bio

if surfer can go 30 million times faster then the speed of light and flash can only go 500 times the speed of light then the surfer wins but i would how people r coming up with this cuz im just reading the posts i have no real in out on this.

#19 Edited by riri4life (7189 posts) - - Show Bio

Surfer ftw. He's an all powerful cosmic entity y'all!

#20 Posted by Gremlin From Kremlin (2931 posts) - - Show Bio

Norrin stomps.

#21 Posted by Over_kill (2715 posts) - - Show Bio

...(Sigh)  Am I gunna have to get into this battle again? 

#22 Posted by TheFlash4740 (1263 posts) - - Show Bio
@Over_kill said:
"

...(Sigh)  Am I gunna have to get into this battle again? 

"
Theres no sense in it, its just gonna be People yappin about Norrin going Warp speed AKA Hyperspace. And Flash being nigh unbeatable when going speed force. Neither side will condeide, and it will be a draw or people will just give up and leave like the other threads like this...
#23 Posted by Over_kill (2715 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheFlash4740:
Or I'd win like I did the other one.  :D
#24 Posted by TheFlash4740 (1263 posts) - - Show Bio

Feel Free lol

#25 Posted by comicdude23 (11399 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally can win. He can enter the Speed Force, dish out an IMP, or Speed steal. I mean his IMP KO'd White Martian. And he has fast combo speed. I think Wally wins 7/10.

#26 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman and Chuck Norris team up and are already at the finish line by the time Flash and Surfer even have time to warm up.

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#27 Posted by SolarRay (5 posts) - - Show Bio

  
Isn't this Proof of the Surfer going FTL? Faster than the speed of light to be precise, Wally on the other hand hasn't shown any evidence of reaching that sort of speed however I would give it to Wally if there's some non cannon or at least evidence of him going faster than the speed of light.
#28 Posted by ManofSteel (115 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally West has occasionally become one with the Speed Force. He wins.

#29 Posted by Dex_Starr (4772 posts) - - Show Bio

Only way Surfer is winning is if he starts up high in the air. 

#30 Posted by bornstar (1320 posts) - - Show Bio

SS wins. he is faster than light so flash lose

#31 Edited by Dex_Starr (4772 posts) - - Show Bio
@bornstar said:

SS wins. he is faster than light so flash lose

Flash is millions of times faster then light, the dude outran the big bang, Barry Allen outran death itself.  both are faster then Surfer, the only way Surfer wins if he starts 1000 feet in the air, otherwise he loses. 
#32 Posted by Freefa11 (2337 posts) - - Show Bio
@Hohenheim_of_light said: 
Flash is millions of times faster then light,
 People have already indicated the Surfer should be 10s of millions of times faster than light.

 the dude outran the big bang, 

How? What was he standing on? How could he even be outside of it? The big bang wasn't an explosion in space, it was the creation of space.

Barry Allen outran death itself.  

So? How fast is the Black Racer (I assume that's who you're actually talking about)?

both are faster then Surfer,  

I always find it funny in battle forums when people try to work around flat out assuming one character is better than another by just comparing them to other characters they assume are better. 
 
Plus, in Final Crisis, Wally seemed to be keeping up with Barry pretty well, and they were really running about even with the Black Racer; he wasn't gaining on them, but they weren't really outdistancing him either. This would make them equal.
 

the only way Surfer wins if he starts 1000 feet in the air, otherwise he loses. 

This is a race, not a fight. And Surfer's speed has nothing to do with his altitude.
#33 Posted by Saren (25560 posts) - - Show Bio
@SolarRay said:

Isn't this Proof of the Surfer going FTL? Faster than the speed of light to be precise, Wally on the other hand hasn't shown any evidence of reaching that sort of speed however I would give it to Wally if there's some non cannon or at least evidence of him going faster than the speed of light.
LMAO 
Wally is millions of times faster than light.
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#34 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12334 posts) - - Show Bio
@Hohenheim_of_light said:
Only way Surfer is winning is if he starts up high in the air. 
#35 Posted by Dex_Starr (4772 posts) - - Show Bio
@Freefa11 said:
@Hohenheim_of_light said: 
Flash is millions of times faster then light,
 People have already indicated the Surfer should be 10s of millions of times faster than light.

 the dude outran the big bang, 

How? What was he standing on? How could he even be outside of it? The big bang wasn't an explosion in space, it was the creation of space.

Barry Allen outran death itself.  

So? How fast is the Black Racer (I assume that's who you're actually talking about)?

both are faster then Surfer,  

I always find it funny in battle forums when people try to work around flat out assuming one character is better than another by just comparing them to other characters they assume are better. 
 
Plus, in Final Crisis, Wally seemed to be keeping up with Barry pretty well, and they were really running about even with the Black Racer; he wasn't gaining on them, but they weren't really outdistancing him either. This would make them equal.
 

the only way Surfer wins if he starts 1000 feet in the air, otherwise he loses. 

This is a race, not a fight. And Surfer's speed has nothing to do with his altitude.
It was during Zero Hour. I'll look for some scans
 
That depends on how fast death usually comes for people.  The Black Racer is essentially the Grim Reaper in DCU.  Silver Surfer has actually died before so the fact that Barry could avoid death by out running it speaks for itself. 
 
I don't need to use any of Wally's feats for Barry or vice versa.  Barry was never actually retconned by the Crisis so his silver age feats are still applicable.   The guy can still outrun time itself [he did it in Blackest Night].  His latest appearance in Superman stated that he could perceive things at the faster then an attosecond and is faster then time itself.  
 
This is a fight not a race, which is why the only way Surfer can win is if he can out of range of Flash. 
#36 Posted by Petey_is_Spidey (2811 posts) - - Show Bio

surfer blows him before he gets to pluto

#37 Posted by Dex_Starr (4772 posts) - - Show Bio
@Petey_is_Spidey said:
surfer blows him before he gets to pluto
Only if he starts high in the air out of Flashes reach. 
#38 Posted by Petey_is_Spidey (2811 posts) - - Show Bio
@Hohenheim_of_light said:
@Petey_is_Spidey said:
surfer blows him before he gets to pluto
Only if he starts high in the air out of Flashes reach. 
 what i ment was surfer will win before wally makes it to pluto. oh and if wally could even touch surfer he wouldnt be able to hurt him. 
#39 Posted by Dex_Starr (4772 posts) - - Show Bio
@Petey_is_Spidey said:
@Hohenheim_of_light said:
@Petey_is_Spidey said:
surfer blows him before he gets to pluto
Only if he starts high in the air out of Flashes reach. 
 what i ment was surfer will win before wally makes it to pluto. oh and if wally could even touch surfer he wouldnt be able to hurt him. 
Really? Because Surfer has been harmed by physical strength before.  Flash's regular hits are about as hard as Superman's.  Imagine getting hit by 10000 of those in a picosecond....
#40 Posted by Petey_is_Spidey (2811 posts) - - Show Bio
@Hohenheim_of_light said:
@Petey_is_Spidey said:
@Hohenheim_of_light said:
@Petey_is_Spidey said:
surfer blows him before he gets to pluto
Only if he starts high in the air out of Flashes reach. 
 what i ment was surfer will win before wally makes it to pluto. oh and if wally could even touch surfer he wouldnt be able to hurt him. 
Really? Because Surfer has been harmed by physical strength before.  Flash's regular hits are about as hard as Superman's.  Imagine getting hit by 10000 of those in a picosecond....
really. i know flash hits hard but not that hard. Surfer is intangible though so flash wouldnt be able to hit him, and if he could it wouldnt hurt.
#41 Posted by Dex_Starr (4772 posts) - - Show Bio
@Petey_is_Spidey said:
@Hohenheim_of_light said:
@Petey_is_Spidey said:
@Hohenheim_of_light said:
@Petey_is_Spidey said:
surfer blows him before he gets to pluto
Only if he starts high in the air out of Flashes reach. 
 what i ment was surfer will win before wally makes it to pluto. oh and if wally could even touch surfer he wouldnt be able to hurt him. 
Really? Because Surfer has been harmed by physical strength before.  Flash's regular hits are about as hard as Superman's.  Imagine getting hit by 10000 of those in a picosecond....
really. i know flash hits hard but not that hard. Surfer is intangible though so flash wouldnt be able to hit him, and if he could it wouldnt hurt.
Flash hits as hard as Superman does if not harder, if Surfer gets hit by 100 of those punches in an instant then he won't get up. 
#42 Posted by supermandefender (2038 posts) - - Show Bio
@Hohenheim_of_light said:
@Petey_is_Spidey said:
@Hohenheim_of_light said:
@Petey_is_Spidey said:
@Hohenheim_of_light said:
@Petey_is_Spidey said:
surfer blows him before he gets to pluto
Only if he starts high in the air out of Flashes reach. 
 what i ment was surfer will win before wally makes it to pluto. oh and if wally could even touch surfer he wouldnt be able to hurt him. 
Really? Because Surfer has been harmed by physical strength before.  Flash's regular hits are about as hard as Superman's.  Imagine getting hit by 10000 of those in a picosecond....
really. i know flash hits hard but not that hard. Surfer is intangible though so flash wouldnt be able to hit him, and if he could it wouldnt hurt.
Flash hits as hard as Superman does if not harder, if Surfer gets hit by 100 of those punches in an instant then he won't get up. 
Flash does not hit harder than Superman! O_O; You guys need to stop posting that nonsense. I mean seriously thats ridiculous.
#43 Posted by Dex_Starr (4772 posts) - - Show Bio
@supermandefender: Sorry, I don't have any troll food to give you, please go back under your bridge.
#44 Posted by Dark Cloud™ (2174 posts) - - Show Bio

Hard choice to make, but I give my vote to Surfer.

#45 Posted by TheMightyAvenger (1912 posts) - - Show Bio
@supermandefender: Can't Flash hit with the power of a white dwarf or something like that. And he has the IMP.
 
Also to all of you this isn't a fight it's a race hence my vote goes to Wally. 
#46 Posted by supermandefender (2038 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheMightyAvenger said:
@supermandefender: Can't Flash hit with the power of a white dwarf or something like that. And he has the IMP. Also to all of you this isn't a fight it's a race hence my vote goes to Wally. 
Yes, Wally is def. faster.  But only because of Speed- Force. 
 
As far as hitting power. Flash speeds up to light speed his mass becomes infinite. Faster than that you become weightless....unless its PIS writer bullcrap.  
Superman can speed up to light speed and increase his mass also. 
 
Know talking about straight hitting power. Superman has more powerful hits.....That and the Flash was NEVER EVER intended to be more powerful than Superman. Thats PIS in a comic that fans misinterupted the content of the feats being showed. Did the feat happen yes but is it a in general thing...no. 
 
@Hohenheim_of_light said:
@supermandefender: Sorry, I don't have any troll food to give you, please go back under your bridge.

lol.....look whos talking mr. flash hits harder than Superman. lmao.  And I wasnt being insulting or directing a attack at u...it was a statement for lots of ppl saying that. Its a misconception and it needs to stop. Flash is getting overrated.
#47 Posted by MrDirector786 (43491 posts) - - Show Bio
@supermandefender said:
That and the Flash was NEVER EVER intended to be more powerful than Superman. Thats PIS in a comic that fans misinterupted the content of the feats being showed. Did the feat happen yes but is it a in general thing...no.
Do you have proof that he's not supposed to be more powerful than Superman? Did any writer ever say that Flash is not supposed to be as powerful Superman or anything like that?
#48 Posted by TheCerealKillz (10266 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash does hit harder than Superman......... IMP........ 
 
 
Either way, Flash would still kill Superman. 
 
But that's not this thread. 
 
Flash wins.

#49 Posted by TheMightyAvenger (1912 posts) - - Show Bio
@supermandefender: I don't know if Flash does hit harder than Superman or not, all I know is that I heard he hits as hard as a white dwarf. 
#50 Posted by jojjimbo (2472 posts) - - Show Bio

Surfer ftw.