#151 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades said:

@Lady_Liberty said:

The team doesn't seem to have any method to resist the speed steal, no speed feats that would let them defend against an IMP blitz, and no durability feats that imply they could shrug off said IMP blitz.

NO SPEED LOL

Not only has Thor been blitzed in similar fashion by Spider-Man, Mongoose, and even Amadeus Cho, (Literally, the Cho panel looks almost identical), your scan isn't even canon.

So much speed! Obviously non-enhanced teenagers can avoid Flash's blitzes, just like Non-Canon Sentry can!

whats your point this pics looks like the other also,with your logic flash is slow

#152 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades said:

and he still is human

Sentry is just as human as Flash is. They both are humans who have additional powers thanks to a freak chemical accident. Why does that have any relevance here? Flash has beaten plenty of people who aren't human, as well as plenty that are. The mere fact of being of human origin has no bearing on who would win in this particular battle.

if i put a gun to flash head and shoot he dies cant say the same thing about sentry

#153 Posted by Wardemon32 (4147 posts) - - Show Bio

Who would you put all three of them agianst him while Flash is in character? Flash isn't going to win probably. He doesn't really speed steal or IMP I think. And you don't see him dragging people into the Speed Force much(which he can do at any time)

#154 Posted by Dredeuced (5475 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades said:

@Dredeuced said:

@jackofspades said:

@Dredeuced said:

@jackofspades said:

@god_spawn said:

Lady Liberty solos.

please tell me why this is not lock

Well, he just agreed with Lady Liberty, who said, earlier in this thread, that Flash would win by arguing that Flash would use all of his best powers.

I disagree because Flash doesn't usually go straight to his biggest guns in character, but it's not a factually incorrect argument, as if Wally was fighting to his best he'd probably win.

only on this site flash is a god but get his butt kick by this guy

Irrelevant scan. Plenty of superheroes have low showings. A Villain with a strong powerset, a lot of prep, and 100% knowledge of Flash's capabilities trapping him and THEN GETTING BEAT ANYHOW isn't a reason to disparage him. Want me to post scans of him soloing Amazo or Mongul? Or outdoing the entirety of DC Earth in a fight against the Anti Monitor(though he still lost cuz Anti-Monitor is too powerful)?

Even in comics, Flash is pretty damn powerful. That's WHY people on this forum and in this thread -- many of which are vets -- are saying he's so powerful. He's not a god, just an avatar of a power that is beyond gods.

and he still is human

Other humans include: Mad Jim Jaspers, Franklin Richards, Billy Batson, The Sentry, The Hulk, Zoom, Doctor Strange, Molecule Man

I can do this for like another fifty overpowered "humans" if you want me to, just say the word.

#155 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dredeuced said:

@jackofspades said:

@Dredeuced said:

@jackofspades said:

@Dredeuced said:

@jackofspades said:

@god_spawn said:

Lady Liberty solos.

please tell me why this is not lock

Well, he just agreed with Lady Liberty, who said, earlier in this thread, that Flash would win by arguing that Flash would use all of his best powers.

I disagree because Flash doesn't usually go straight to his biggest guns in character, but it's not a factually incorrect argument, as if Wally was fighting to his best he'd probably win.

only on this site flash is a god but get his butt kick by this guy

Irrelevant scan. Plenty of superheroes have low showings. A Villain with a strong powerset, a lot of prep, and 100% knowledge of Flash's capabilities trapping him and THEN GETTING BEAT ANYHOW isn't a reason to disparage him. Want me to post scans of him soloing Amazo or Mongul? Or outdoing the entirety of DC Earth in a fight against the Anti Monitor(though he still lost cuz Anti-Monitor is too powerful)?

Even in comics, Flash is pretty damn powerful. That's WHY people on this forum and in this thread -- many of which are vets -- are saying he's so powerful. He's not a god, just an avatar of a power that is beyond gods.

and he still is human

Other humans include: Mad Jim Jaspers, Franklin Richards, Billy Batson, The Sentry, The Hulk, Zoom, Doctor Strange, Molecule Man

I can do this for like another fifty overpowered "humans" if you want me to, just say the word.

you seem to not get the point flash can be hurt easy because his skin is human

#156 Edited by Dredeuced (5475 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades said:

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades said:

and he still is human

Sentry is just as human as Flash is. They both are humans who have additional powers thanks to a freak chemical accident. Why does that have any relevance here? Flash has beaten plenty of people who aren't human, as well as plenty that are. The mere fact of being of human origin has no bearing on who would win in this particular battle.

if i put a gun to flash head and shoot he dies cant say the same thing about sentry

No he doesn't. Flash could move out of the way before the bullet left the muzzle. You're talking way, way waaaay out of your ass here.

@jackofspades said:

you seem to not get the point flash can be hurt easy because his skin is human

No it isn't. He's directly protected by the speed force. Why do you think he gets hit by Darkseid, Zoom, and a billion other heavy hitters without dying?

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/discuss-and-debunk-a-feat-with-a-viner/721916/#621

Go read this, check F for Flash for the relevant pages as several Battle Forums vets disprove this idea of yours that Flash is a frail human who can easily be hurt despite getting hit by planet busters and living.

#157 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dredeuced said:

@jackofspades said:

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades said:

and he still is human

Sentry is just as human as Flash is. They both are humans who have additional powers thanks to a freak chemical accident. Why does that have any relevance here? Flash has beaten plenty of people who aren't human, as well as plenty that are. The mere fact of being of human origin has no bearing on who would win in this particular battle.

if i put a gun to flash head and shoot he dies cant say the same thing about sentry

No he doesn't. Flash could move out of the way before the bullet left the muzzle. You're talking way, way waaaay out of your ass here.

@jackofspades said:

you seem to not get the point flash can be hurt easy because his skin is human

No it isn't. He's directly protected by the speed force. Why do you think he gets hit by Darkseid, Zoom, and a billion other heavy hitters without dying?

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/discuss-and-debunk-a-feat-with-a-viner/721916/#621

Go read this, check F for Flash for the relevant pages as several Battle Forums vets disprove this idea of yours that Flash is a frail human who can easily be hurt despite getting hit by planet busters and living.

well he dont look protected here

#158 Posted by Dredeuced (5475 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades said:

@Dredeuced said:

@jackofspades said:

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades said:

and he still is human

Sentry is just as human as Flash is. They both are humans who have additional powers thanks to a freak chemical accident. Why does that have any relevance here? Flash has beaten plenty of people who aren't human, as well as plenty that are. The mere fact of being of human origin has no bearing on who would win in this particular battle.

if i put a gun to flash head and shoot he dies cant say the same thing about sentry

No he doesn't. Flash could move out of the way before the bullet left the muzzle. You're talking way, way waaaay out of your ass here.

@jackofspades said:

you seem to not get the point flash can be hurt easy because his skin is human

No it isn't. He's directly protected by the speed force. Why do you think he gets hit by Darkseid, Zoom, and a billion other heavy hitters without dying?

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/discuss-and-debunk-a-feat-with-a-viner/721916/#621

Go read this, check F for Flash for the relevant pages as several Battle Forums vets disprove this idea of yours that Flash is a frail human who can easily be hurt despite getting hit by planet busters and living.

well he dont look protected here

Sigh, this is literally the second time today you've posted a scan of Cheetah beating up on Wally WHILE AMPED BY ZOOM.

She even mentions his name (Hunter, as in Hunter Zolomon) right there in the panel. So yeah, someone being given absurd, super powerful time manipulation powers that let her hit as hard as Superman (as per Wonder Woman) and go as fast or faster than Wally can hurt him.

Could you please stop freaking repeating this anti flash garbage? It's sickening.

#159 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades said:

whats your point this pics looks like the other

My point is that while Sentry, (although a non-canon one), was able to rapidly punch Thor, that doesn't actually prove that he has superspeed. I posted a scan of Amadeus Cho doing the exact same thing, a character without any superspeed. So if a character without superspeed can do it, then it's not a feat that requires superspeed in order to do. It does't prove that Sentry doesn't have superspeed, it simply doesn't prove that he does have it.

also,with your logic flash is slow

That's actually an incorrect line of reasoning. The fact that Flash can blitz characters who have no superspeed doesn't mean that he's slow. All it means is that he can blitz characters who don't have superspeed. The ability to blitz slow characters doesn't preclude the ability to blitz fast characters, as your line of reasoning implies. If you wanted to prove that Sentry has speed to compete with Wally's, you would have to post a feat that actually requires superspeed in order to do. A feat like one of these, perhaps:

if i put a gun to flash head and shoot he dies cant say the same thing about sentry

That's actually not true, either. This is starting to become a bad habit. Flash can actually vibrate a bullet through himself without being harmed, even after it touches his skin:

In conclusion, every single one of your points in mistaken, and you've missed the point of what I and others have already posted. Wally is far, far better than you've given him credit for.

#160 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dredeuced said:

@jackofspades said:

@Dredeuced said:

@jackofspades said:

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades said:

and he still is human

Sentry is just as human as Flash is. They both are humans who have additional powers thanks to a freak chemical accident. Why does that have any relevance here? Flash has beaten plenty of people who aren't human, as well as plenty that are. The mere fact of being of human origin has no bearing on who would win in this particular battle.

if i put a gun to flash head and shoot he dies cant say the same thing about sentry

No he doesn't. Flash could move out of the way before the bullet left the muzzle. You're talking way, way waaaay out of your ass here.

@jackofspades said:

you seem to not get the point flash can be hurt easy because his skin is human

No it isn't. He's directly protected by the speed force. Why do you think he gets hit by Darkseid, Zoom, and a billion other heavy hitters without dying?

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/discuss-and-debunk-a-feat-with-a-viner/721916/#621

Go read this, check F for Flash for the relevant pages as several Battle Forums vets disprove this idea of yours that Flash is a frail human who can easily be hurt despite getting hit by planet busters and living.

well he dont look protected here

Sigh, this is literally the second time today you've posted a scan of Cheetah beating up on Wally WHILE AMPED BY ZOOM.

She even mentions his name (Hunter, as in Hunter Zolomon) right there in the panel. So yeah, someone being given absurd, super powerful time manipulation powers that let her hit as hard as Superman (as per Wonder Woman) and go as fast or faster than Wally can hurt him.

Could you please stop freaking repeating this anti flash garbage? It's sickening.

he get busted up by rocks come on man are you that much of a fan-boy

#161 Posted by Dredeuced (5475 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades said:

@Dredeuced said:

@jackofspades said:

@Dredeuced said:

@jackofspades said:

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades said:

and he still is human

Sentry is just as human as Flash is. They both are humans who have additional powers thanks to a freak chemical accident. Why does that have any relevance here? Flash has beaten plenty of people who aren't human, as well as plenty that are. The mere fact of being of human origin has no bearing on who would win in this particular battle.

if i put a gun to flash head and shoot he dies cant say the same thing about sentry

No he doesn't. Flash could move out of the way before the bullet left the muzzle. You're talking way, way waaaay out of your ass here.

@jackofspades said:

you seem to not get the point flash can be hurt easy because his skin is human

No it isn't. He's directly protected by the speed force. Why do you think he gets hit by Darkseid, Zoom, and a billion other heavy hitters without dying?

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/discuss-and-debunk-a-feat-with-a-viner/721916/#621

Go read this, check F for Flash for the relevant pages as several Battle Forums vets disprove this idea of yours that Flash is a frail human who can easily be hurt despite getting hit by planet busters and living.

well he dont look protected here

Sigh, this is literally the second time today you've posted a scan of Cheetah beating up on Wally WHILE AMPED BY ZOOM.

She even mentions his name (Hunter, as in Hunter Zolomon) right there in the panel. So yeah, someone being given absurd, super powerful time manipulation powers that let her hit as hard as Superman (as per Wonder Woman) and go as fast or faster than Wally can hurt him.

Could you please stop freaking repeating this anti flash garbage? It's sickening.

he get busted up by rocks come on man are you that much of a fan-boy

What? He got busted up by Cheetah clawing him. You can clearly see his costume isn't even damage in the second panel, but then in the third, after she swipes him, it's in shreds. You can't even analyze your own scans. Good lord dude, cut it out.

#162 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades said:

whats your point this pics looks like the other

My point is that while Sentry, (although a non-canon one), was able to rapidly punch Thor, that doesn't actually prove that he has superspeed. I posted a scan of Amadeus Cho doing the exact same thing, a character without any superspeed. So if a character without superspeed can do it, then it's not a feat that requires superspeed in order to do. It does't prove that Sentry doesn't have superspeed, it simply doesn't prove that he does have it.

also,with your logic flash is slow

That's actually an incorrect line of reasoning. The fact that Flash can blitz characters who have no superspeed doesn't mean that he's slow. All it means is that he can blitz characters who don't have superspeed. The ability to blitz slow characters doesn't preclude the ability to blitz fast characters, as your line of reasoning implies. If you wanted to prove that Sentry has speed to compete with Wally's, you would have to post a feat that actually requires superspeed in order to do. A feat like one of these, perhaps:

if i put a gun to flash head and shoot he dies cant say the same thing about sentry

That's actually not true, either. This is starting to become a bad habit. Flash can actually vibrate a bullet through himself without being harmed, even after it touches his skin:

In conclusion, every single one of your points in mistaken, and you've missed the point of what I and others have already posted. Wally is far, far better than you've given him credit for.

no what you posted was how the guy who drew that comic wanted it to look like thats all

#163 Posted by All_Mighty_Beyonder (1577 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dredeuced said:

@All_Mighty_Beyonder said:

@Dredeuced: no it was Sentry in the last panels of New Avengers issue where he defeated Molecule Man. Sentry stated himself that he finally understands how his power operates using matter-manipulation and he did make a demonstration. so yes, Sentry can use matter manipulation. and he reformed himself as Sentry when he was blown by Morgan Le Fay.

Again, Black Eyed Sentry = Void. Do you think normal sentry would rip her freaking head off?

That was all void, the entire Osborn's Avengers arc was Void in every significant fight. That's why, at the end of siege, you see everyone fighting against Void.

I agree that Wally has no way to kill the seemingly unkillable Void version of Sentry, but stable, normal Sentry is a pretty easy KO for Wally.

okey okey black eyed Sentry is Void, but the one speaking the last panels of fight against Molecule Man is Sentry, also the one that fought Morgan Le Fay and came back to life is Sentry go check the scans if you want it's Sentry.

#164 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dredeuced said:

@jackofspades said:

@Dredeuced said:

@jackofspades said:

@Dredeuced said:

@jackofspades said:

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades said:

and he still is human

Sentry is just as human as Flash is. They both are humans who have additional powers thanks to a freak chemical accident. Why does that have any relevance here? Flash has beaten plenty of people who aren't human, as well as plenty that are. The mere fact of being of human origin has no bearing on who would win in this particular battle.

if i put a gun to flash head and shoot he dies cant say the same thing about sentry

No he doesn't. Flash could move out of the way before the bullet left the muzzle. You're talking way, way waaaay out of your ass here.

@jackofspades said:

you seem to not get the point flash can be hurt easy because his skin is human

No it isn't. He's directly protected by the speed force. Why do you think he gets hit by Darkseid, Zoom, and a billion other heavy hitters without dying?

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/discuss-and-debunk-a-feat-with-a-viner/721916/#621

Go read this, check F for Flash for the relevant pages as several Battle Forums vets disprove this idea of yours that Flash is a frail human who can easily be hurt despite getting hit by planet busters and living.

well he dont look protected here

Sigh, this is literally the second time today you've posted a scan of Cheetah beating up on Wally WHILE AMPED BY ZOOM.

She even mentions his name (Hunter, as in Hunter Zolomon) right there in the panel. So yeah, someone being given absurd, super powerful time manipulation powers that let her hit as hard as Superman (as per Wonder Woman) and go as fast or faster than Wally can hurt him.

Could you please stop freaking repeating this anti flash garbage? It's sickening.

he get busted up by rocks come on man are you that much of a fan-boy

What? He got busted up by Cheetah clawing him. You can clearly see his costume isn't even damage in the second panel, but then in the third, after she swipes him, it's in shreds. You can't even analyze your own scans. Good lord dude, cut it out.

he fell on rocks i know you can see that

#165 Edited by Dredeuced (5475 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades said:

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades said:

whats your point this pics looks like the other

My point is that while Sentry, (although a non-canon one), was able to rapidly punch Thor, that doesn't actually prove that he has superspeed. I posted a scan of Amadeus Cho doing the exact same thing, a character without any superspeed. So if a character without superspeed can do it, then it's not a feat that requires superspeed in order to do. It does't prove that Sentry doesn't have superspeed, it simply doesn't prove that he does have it.

also,with your logic flash is slow

That's actually an incorrect line of reasoning. The fact that Flash can blitz characters who have no superspeed doesn't mean that he's slow. All it means is that he can blitz characters who don't have superspeed. The ability to blitz slow characters doesn't preclude the ability to blitz fast characters, as your line of reasoning implies. If you wanted to prove that Sentry has speed to compete with Wally's, you would have to post a feat that actually requires superspeed in order to do. A feat like one of these, perhaps:

if i put a gun to flash head and shoot he dies cant say the same thing about sentry

That's actually not true, either. This is starting to become a bad habit. Flash can actually vibrate a bullet through himself without being harmed, even after it touches his skin:

In conclusion, every single one of your points in mistaken, and you've missed the point of what I and others have already posted. Wally is far, far better than you've given him credit for.

no what you posted was how the guy who drew that comic wanted it to look like thats all

Yeah, it turns out, when writers write that someone has the power to do something, the artist does their job and makes pictures that correspond to those superpowers! Like phasing through bullets! A power that every version of Flash has done dozens, if not hundreds, of times!

@All_Mighty_Beyonder said:

@Dredeuced said:

@All_Mighty_Beyonder said:

@Dredeuced: no it was Sentry in the last panels of New Avengers issue where he defeated Molecule Man. Sentry stated himself that he finally understands how his power operates using matter-manipulation and he did make a demonstration. so yes, Sentry can use matter manipulation. and he reformed himself as Sentry when he was blown by Morgan Le Fay.

Again, Black Eyed Sentry = Void. Do you think normal sentry would rip her freaking head off?

That was all void, the entire Osborn's Avengers arc was Void in every significant fight. That's why, at the end of siege, you see everyone fighting against Void.

I agree that Wally has no way to kill the seemingly unkillable Void version of Sentry, but stable, normal Sentry is a pretty easy KO for Wally.

okey okey black eyed Sentry is Void, but the one speaking the last panels of fight against Molecule Man is Sentry, also the one that fought Morgan Le Fay and came back to life is Sentry go check the scans if you want it's Sentry.

Nope, black eyes both times:

Like I said, the entire evil osborne avengers run was Void everytime he did something that wasn't, like, dealing with a street leveller. Stable Sentry gets KO'd by brute force plenty of times. There's a biiiig difference.

#166 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades said:

no what you posted was how the guy who drew that comic wanted it to look like thats all

...That's exactly the same thing you posted. If you accept hitting Thor so fast it leaves afterimages is a valid speedfeat, why don't you accept it for Amadeus, too? And as I've already said, Spider-Man and Mongoose have done the same thing. Mongoose has done it twice, actually. Wolverine has done it. And even if punching Thor rapidly did prove that Sentry has superspeed, (which he does, incidentally), it doesn't come even close to any of the Flash speed feats I've posted. (And there are a lot more where those came from, too.) And to top it all off, it's not canon. So there was really no point, whatsoever, to posting it.

#167 Posted by Dredeuced (5475 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades said:

@Dredeuced said:

@jackofspades said:

@Dredeuced said:

@jackofspades said:

@Dredeuced said:

@jackofspades said:

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades said:

and he still is human

Sentry is just as human as Flash is. They both are humans who have additional powers thanks to a freak chemical accident. Why does that have any relevance here? Flash has beaten plenty of people who aren't human, as well as plenty that are. The mere fact of being of human origin has no bearing on who would win in this particular battle.

if i put a gun to flash head and shoot he dies cant say the same thing about sentry

No he doesn't. Flash could move out of the way before the bullet left the muzzle. You're talking way, way waaaay out of your ass here.

@jackofspades said:

you seem to not get the point flash can be hurt easy because his skin is human

No it isn't. He's directly protected by the speed force. Why do you think he gets hit by Darkseid, Zoom, and a billion other heavy hitters without dying?

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/discuss-and-debunk-a-feat-with-a-viner/721916/#621

Go read this, check F for Flash for the relevant pages as several Battle Forums vets disprove this idea of yours that Flash is a frail human who can easily be hurt despite getting hit by planet busters and living.

well he dont look protected here

Sigh, this is literally the second time today you've posted a scan of Cheetah beating up on Wally WHILE AMPED BY ZOOM.

She even mentions his name (Hunter, as in Hunter Zolomon) right there in the panel. So yeah, someone being given absurd, super powerful time manipulation powers that let her hit as hard as Superman (as per Wonder Woman) and go as fast or faster than Wally can hurt him.

Could you please stop freaking repeating this anti flash garbage? It's sickening.

he get busted up by rocks come on man are you that much of a fan-boy

What? He got busted up by Cheetah clawing him. You can clearly see his costume isn't even damage in the second panel, but then in the third, after she swipes him, it's in shreds. You can't even analyze your own scans. Good lord dude, cut it out.

he fell on rocks i know you can see that

You're seriously trolling me. I'm done with this. I'm glad you hate Flash enough to make yourself look like an idiot, but it's grown old.

#168 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dredeuced said:

@jackofspades said:

@Dredeuced said:

@jackofspades said:

@Dredeuced said:

@jackofspades said:

@Dredeuced said:

@jackofspades said:

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades said:

and he still is human

Sentry is just as human as Flash is. They both are humans who have additional powers thanks to a freak chemical accident. Why does that have any relevance here? Flash has beaten plenty of people who aren't human, as well as plenty that are. The mere fact of being of human origin has no bearing on who would win in this particular battle.

if i put a gun to flash head and shoot he dies cant say the same thing about sentry

No he doesn't. Flash could move out of the way before the bullet left the muzzle. You're talking way, way waaaay out of your ass here.

@jackofspades said:

you seem to not get the point flash can be hurt easy because his skin is human

No it isn't. He's directly protected by the speed force. Why do you think he gets hit by Darkseid, Zoom, and a billion other heavy hitters without dying?

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/discuss-and-debunk-a-feat-with-a-viner/721916/#621

Go read this, check F for Flash for the relevant pages as several Battle Forums vets disprove this idea of yours that Flash is a frail human who can easily be hurt despite getting hit by planet busters and living.

well he dont look protected here

Sigh, this is literally the second time today you've posted a scan of Cheetah beating up on Wally WHILE AMPED BY ZOOM.

She even mentions his name (Hunter, as in Hunter Zolomon) right there in the panel. So yeah, someone being given absurd, super powerful time manipulation powers that let her hit as hard as Superman (as per Wonder Woman) and go as fast or faster than Wally can hurt him.

Could you please stop freaking repeating this anti flash garbage? It's sickening.

he get busted up by rocks come on man are you that much of a fan-boy

What? He got busted up by Cheetah clawing him. You can clearly see his costume isn't even damage in the second panel, but then in the third, after she swipes him, it's in shreds. You can't even analyze your own scans. Good lord dude, cut it out.

he fell on rocks i know you can see that

You're seriously trolling me. I'm done with this. I'm glad you hate Flash enough to make yourself look like an idiot, but it's grown old.

HURTHURT BY ICE

#169 Edited by Dredeuced (5475 posts) - - Show Bio

Stop responding to me please.

#170 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades: He wasn't even hurt in the first scan. "Oof" is not a sound of pain in comic books. And the second scan is New-52 Barry, not Wally, and any of the combatants here could be hurt by New-52 Captain Cold, anyway. There's really no reason for you to continue trying to discredit Flashes. I can post high-end feats if you want, but you aren't even lowballing effectively enough to warrant it.

#171 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades: He wasn't even hurt in the first scan. "Oof" is not a sound of pain in comic books. And the second scan is New-52 Barry, not Wally, and any of the combatants here could be hurt by New-52 Captain Cold, anyway. There's really no reason for you to continue trying to discredit Flashes. I can post high-end feats if you want, but you aren't even lowballing effectively enough to warrant it.

the ice went in his shoulder that's pain

#172 Posted by Lady_Liberty (8279 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades: Come on now. Do you have an actual argument for how Sentry, Thor, and Gladiator would win or are you just going to keep on posting this nonsense?

#173 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades said:

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades: He wasn't even hurt in the first scan. "Oof" is not a sound of pain in comic books. And the second scan is New-52 Barry, not Wally, and any of the combatants here could be hurt by New-52 Captain Cold, anyway. There's really no reason for you to continue trying to discredit Flashes. I can post high-end feats if you want, but you aren't even lowballing effectively enough to warrant it.

the ice went in his shoulder that's pain

I'm curious. Do you actually read my posts? Because I didn't say that Barry wasn't hurt by Captain Cold. What I did say is that it's a different Flash in a different universe, which makes it irrelevant. Did you skip over that part? I bolded it in my quote so you can find it more easily, since 5 sentences is a lot to read. :)

#174 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lady_Liberty said:

@jackofspades: Come on now. Do you have an actual argument for how Sentry, Thor, and Gladiator would win or are you just going to keep on posting this nonsense?

are you for real please tell me how flash would beat 3 planet busters,and keep the nonsense down to a low

#175 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades said:

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades: He wasn't even hurt in the first scan. "Oof" is not a sound of pain in comic books. And the second scan is New-52 Barry, not Wally, and any of the combatants here could be hurt by New-52 Captain Cold, anyway. There's really no reason for you to continue trying to discredit Flashes. I can post high-end feats if you want, but you aren't even lowballing effectively enough to warrant it.

the ice went in his shoulder that's pain

I'm curious. Do you actually read my posts? Because I didn't say that Barry wasn't hurt by Captain Cold. What I did say is that it's a different Flash in a different universe, which makes it irrelevant. Did you skip over that part? I bolded it in my quote so you can find it more easily, since 5 sentences is a lot to read. :)

and can you read they are all still human

#176 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades said:

and can you read

Yes, I can! That's why I actually respond to everything you say, and why I do it using logic, clarity, and canon feats. As opposed to posting irrelevant scans which are usually out of context and occasionally not even canon.

they are all still human

It's been over an hour since I rebutted the relevance of this statement, so I can understand you forgetting about it by now. I'll just repost what I said, so you can refresh on it. Here you go! :D

@Esquire said:

Sentry is just as human as Flash is. They both are humans who have additional powers thanks to a freak chemical accident. Why does that have any relevance here? Flash has beaten plenty of people who aren't human, as well as plenty that are. The mere fact of being of human origin has no bearing on who would win in this particular battle.

#177 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire: and since you forgot what i said here you got again you seem to not get the point flash can be hurt easy because his skin is human thats why i posted scans of flash getting hurt with his human skin

#178 Posted by War07 (135 posts) - - Show Bio

The flash wins he wins he will make them statues like he did to inertia

#179 Edited by Dredeuced (5475 posts) - - Show Bio

@War07 said:

The flash wins he wins he will make them statues like he did to inertia

While Wally could do that if he were bloodlusted, there's no way he'd do this to any of these guys in character. He only did it to Inertia because he killed Bart Allen, and only did it to Amazo because he knew if he didn't, the rest of the JL would die and because he was just a robot. Wally has to be absolutely desperate to turn someone into a statue.

#180 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades said:

@Esquire: and since you forgot what i said here you got again you seem to not get the point flash can be hurt easy because his skin is human thats why i posted scans of flash getting hurt with his human skin

The Speed Force amps his durability. Just because it's the first thing I have on hand, here's Kid Flash using his Speed-Force durability to tank hits from Steppendorf, Darkseid's uncle.

Although it isn't specifically Wally, it's a beginning to show that your argument isn't based around accurate facts.

#181 Posted by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

Gladiator has on panel proof of nano-second reaction time, and is also a planetoid buster.

Thor has taken on a lot of people with extreme amounts of speed. And though everyone tries to tell me that nobody ever uses their speed against Thor, I find it hard to believe. I can't say that Silver Surfer (3 times), Beta Ray Bill, Nova, Sentry, Wonder Man, Iron Man, and the list goes on, all chose not to use their super speed against Thor, I find that completely ridiculous.

Sentry has been disintegrated multiple times and fully regenerated, snapped Terrax's axe, etc. etc.

Over and above this Sentry and Thor both have huge AoE attacks, and Gladiator is pretty dang fast himself.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#182 Edited by War07 (135 posts) - - Show Bio

The flash wins he will make them statues like he did to inertia

While Wally could do that if he were bloodlusted, there's no way he'd do this to any of these guys in character. He only did it to Inertia because he killed Bart Allen, and only did it to Amazo because he knew if he didn't, the rest of the JL would die and because he was just a robot. Wally has to be absolutely desperate to turn someone into a statue.

@Dredeuced: He is fight against three superman level heroes ofcourse he have to take desperate attempts like turning them into statues to stop them!!

#183 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades said:

@Esquire: and since you forgot what i said here you got again you seem to not get the point flash can be hurt easy because his skin is human thats why i posted scans of flash getting hurt with his human skin

The Speed Force amps his durability. Just because it's the first thing I have on hand, here's Kid Flash using his Speed-Force durability to tank hits from Steppendorf, Darkseid's uncle.

Although it isn't specifically Wally, it's a beginning to show that your argument isn't based around accurate facts.

oh now its ok to show a different flash now boy oh boy some people will use the facts and way they can even if its WRONG

#184 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades said:

oh now its ok to show a different flash now boy oh boy some people will use the facts and way they can even if its WRONG

The differences in our doing so are myriad. First, and probably most important, I actually admitted that it wasn't the same Flash. I'm not sure if you were being deliberately deceptive or simply didn't know what was going on in the scans you've posted, but you haven't stated that it's not Wally until others have called you out on it. Second, it's in the same universe, unlike what you've been posting, and the Speed Force has proven to work in the same fashion for all of the Flashes. So it's still an indication of Wally's increased durability. But since you're so entusiastic, I've tracked down a few scans of Wally demonstrating superhuman durability.

Let's start with Wally surviving running through a Black Hole:

For good measure, here he is doing it again:

And you're trying to tell me he only has normal human durability? How about him tanking an attack from Titus, who was beating up Superman in the same issue?

Your claims are laughable. You haven't posted anything to indicate that Wally has human durability. You've posted his fight with a Zoom-amped Cheetah, and you've posted a scan of him not getting hurt by Dr Alchemy, and you've posted a scan of New-52 Barry not getting hurt by Superman, and you've posted a scan of New-52 Barry vs Captain Cold. Do you really think you've proven anything whatsoever? You're not even lowballing effectively. At least you could try to find an actual low showing for Wally, which you really haven't done.

#185 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades said:

oh now its ok to show a different flash now boy oh boy some people will use the facts and way they can even if its WRONG

The differences in our doing so are myriad. First, and probably most important, I actually admitted that it wasn't the same Flash. I'm not sure if you were being deliberately deceptive or simply didn't know what was going on in the scans you've posted, but you haven't stated that it's not Wally until others have called you out on it. Second, it's in the same universe, unlike what you've been posting, and the Speed Force has proven to work in the same fashion for all of the Flashes. So it's still an indication of Wally's increased durability. But since you're so entusiastic, I've tracked down a few scans of Wally demonstrating superhuman durability.

Let's start with Wally surviving running through a Black Hole:

For good measure, here he is doing it again:

And you're trying to tell me he only has normal human durability? How about him tanking an attack from Titus, who was beating up Superman in the same issue?

Your claims are laughable. You haven't posted anything to indicate that Wally has human durability. You've posted his fight with a Zoom-amped Cheetah, and you've posted a scan of him not getting hurt by Dr Alchemy, and you've posted a scan of New-52 Barry not getting hurt by Superman, and you've posted a scan of New-52 Barry vs Captain Cold. Do you really think you've proven anything whatsoever? You're not even lowballing effectively. At least you could try to find an actual low showing for Wally, which you really haven't done.

you call that durability i call that pis

#186 Posted by Lady_Liberty (8279 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades: You are not countering his argument, you are just denying basic aspects about the character.

#187 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lady_Liberty said:

@jackofspades: You are not countering his argument, you are just denying basic aspects about the character.

and you have not answer mine,how is flash going to beat 3 planet busters

#188 Posted by Lady_Liberty (8279 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades: Speed steal or IMP blitz.

#189 Posted by spiderbuck (2452 posts) - - Show Bio

Team.

#190 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lady_Liberty said:

@jackofspades: Speed steal or IMP blitz.

against at least two guys with their own speed,flash would be going against 3 superman

#191 Posted by Lady_Liberty (8279 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades: I think we've been over this.

#192 Edited by spiderbuck (2452 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lady_Liberty said:

@jackofspades: Speed steal or IMP blitz.

He's not going to speed steal Sentry due to matter manipulation.

#193 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbuck said:

@Lady_Liberty said:

@jackofspades: Speed steal or IMP blitz.

He's not going to speed steal Sentry due to matter manipulation.

i told them that over and over but they wont listen flash gets stomp hard

#194 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lady_Liberty said:

@jackofspades: I think we've been over this.

yes we have and flash gets stomp hard here

#195 Posted by Lady_Liberty (8279 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbuck: I'm not convinced Sentry could defend against the speed steal. However even if he could he would still fall to an IMP blitz.

@jackofspades: Saying it over and over doesn't counter the scans that have been provided, doesn't counter the logic that has been provided or alter the facts of the battle in any way.

#196 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (11990 posts) - - Show Bio

I see this has become a bit of a troll thread.........sad. I was to busy to hunt them today/yesterday......meh, later maybe.

Flash stomps

#197 Posted by spiderbuck (2452 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lady_Liberty said:

@spiderbuck: I'm not convinced Sentry could defend against the speed steal. However even if he could he would still fall to an IMP blitz.

@jackofspades: Saying it over and over doesn't counter the scans that have been provided, doesn't counter the logic that has been provided or alter the facts of the battle in any way.

I'm not convinced that Flash could steal a matter manipulator's speed. See, it works both ways. In the same vein, I would like to see Flash use speed steal on a God before I am convinced it would work on the likes of Thor. I also think Sentry would be able to tank IMPs, as he's tanked planet busting blows in the past against WWH.

Fight goes something like this... being the fastest of the three, Sentry engages. Flash attempts speed steal, and Sentry rearranges his molecules and is back to normal. As Sentry and Flash mix it up, Thor turns Flash into FrogFlash. Gladiator steps on him. The end.

#198 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lady_Liberty said:

@spiderbuck: I'm not convinced Sentry could defend against the speed steal. However even if he could he would still fall to an IMP blitz.

@jackofspades: Saying it over and over doesn't counter the scans that have been provided, doesn't counter the logic that has been provided or alter the facts of the battle in any way.

what flash going to do against this

#199 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbuck said:

@Lady_Liberty said:

@spiderbuck: I'm not convinced Sentry could defend against the speed steal. However even if he could he would still fall to an IMP blitz.

@jackofspades: Saying it over and over doesn't counter the scans that have been provided, doesn't counter the logic that has been provided or alter the facts of the battle in any way.

I'm not convinced that Flash could steal a matter manipulator's speed. See, it works both ways. In the same vein, I would like to see Flash use speed steal on a God before I am convinced it would work on the likes of Thor. I also think Sentry would be able to tank IMPs, as he's tanked planet busting blows in the past against WWH.

Fight goes something like this... being the fastest of the three, Sentry engages. Flash attempts speed steal, and Sentry rearranges his molecules and is back to normal. As Sentry and Flash mix it up, Thor turns Flash into FrogFlash. Gladiator steps on him. The end.

just how it would go too,well said

#200 Posted by Lady_Liberty (8279 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades: Blitz, and speed steal.

@spiderbuck said:

I'm not convinced that Flash could steal a matter manipulator's speed. See, it works both ways. In the same vein, I would like to see Flash use speed steal on a God before I am convinced it would work on the likes of Thor. I also think Sentry would be able to tank IMPs, as he's tanked planet busting blows in the past against WWH.

Fight goes something like this... being the fastest of the three, Sentry engages. Flash attempts speed steal, and Sentry rearranges his molecules and is back to normal. As Sentry and Flash mix it up, Thor turns Flash into FrogFlash. Gladiator steps on him. The end.

Yet none of this is evidence for Sentry's supposed immunity to the speed steal. I'm not saying he couldn't counter it, I'm saying you haven't provided any evidence to support that.

Secondly none of WWH's blows were planet busters against Sentry.

Lastly, being the faster of the FOUR, Flash IMP blitz's them before they can form a thought ;-)