#1 Edited by XiiX (8723 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally West VS Gladiator, Sentry, and Thor

-Wally is in character, but taking the fight seriously.

-The team is bloodlusted(Sentry is without Void, and Gladiator is at full confidence).

-Takes place on an indestructible, unpopulated earth.

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#2 Posted by The_Lunact_And_Manic (3286 posts) - - Show Bio

Team stomps

#3 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

Team stomps

Most people on this Vine will say, it's the other way around.

#4 Posted by The_Lunact_And_Manic (3286 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

Team stomps

Most people on this Vine will say, it's the other way around.

They would be wrong. >_>

#5 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (5130 posts) - - Show Bio

Team

#6 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

Team stomps

Most people on this Vine will say, it's the other way around.

They would be wrong. >_>

There say Flash will speedblitz, and IMP, or steal speed. They even got me presuaded a little.

#7 Posted by TheVoiceOfReason (747 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally.

#8 Posted by The_Lunact_And_Manic (3286 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

Team stomps

Most people on this Vine will say, it's the other way around.

They would be wrong. >_>

There say Flash will speedblitz, and IMP, or steal speed. They even got me presuaded a little.

Lol, true.

I can't say much, I'm a Thor fanboy

#9 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

Team stomps

Most people on this Vine will say, it's the other way around.

They would be wrong. >_>

There say Flash will speedblitz, and IMP, or steal speed. They even got me presuaded a little.

Lol, true.

I can't say much, I'm a Thor fanboy

Same lol

#10 Posted by All_Mighty_Beyonder (1578 posts) - - Show Bio

Sentry solo

#11 Posted by Sideslash (5907 posts) - - Show Bio

@All_Mighty_Beyonder said:

Sentry solo

#12 Posted by HyperViper97 (1342 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash is impressive but sentry takes this.

#13 Posted by All_Mighty_Beyonder (1578 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sideslash: i knew that post will drag out some Flash supporters, ok i'm a big fan of Flash but i couldn't find a way for Flash to beat Sentry, how would he do it?

#14 Edited by ImBoredLetsDebate (512 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally stomps. Unless Sentry and/or Gladiator have some type of reaction speed I don't know about, this isn't even a competition.

Edit: Nevermind. Just saw Wally is in character. Why would you put him in character when he is already outnumbered by 3 powerful opponents in their own right? Team wins.

#15 Edited by Sideslash (5907 posts) - - Show Bio

@All_Mighty_Beyonder: BFR, KO, etc.

Sentry's been incapacitated by less than a "my fist hits like a white dwarf star" punch.

Don't get me wrong, the team does win, I just don't think any of these dudes are soloing.

#16 Posted by rpottage (894 posts) - - Show Bio

The team wins.

Wally would win if he were bloodlusted with morals off, at which point it's: Massive speedblitz combined with speed steal, IMP, and vibrating his hand through their brains. But an in-character Wally against the Bloodlusted Team? No, the team wins.

#17 Posted by King-Stranglehold da first (3260 posts) - - Show Bio

Sentry can solo. If stable minded he can use Voids powers because the Void is being surpressed and he can use Molecule Manipulation.

#18 Posted by All_Mighty_Beyonder (1578 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sideslash said:

@All_Mighty_Beyonder: BFR, KO, etc.

Sentry's been incapacitated by less than a "my fist hits like a white dwarf star" punch.

Don't get me wrong, the team does win, I just don't think any of these dudes are soloing.

and don't get me wrong either i would like to see Flash beating Sentry, but it's debatable, you do realise that Sentry is indestructible, IMP won't kill him, speed steal won't stop him for long with his matter manipulation he can recreate new body-molecular structure, and BFR to Speed Force Field won't happen because Flash won't be able to push someone with strength beyond Savage Hulk's strength. so again how would he do it?

#19 Posted by Sideslash (5907 posts) - - Show Bio

@All_Mighty_Beyonder: The fact is he's hurt people with better durability showings than Sentry.

Also, Sentry doesn't really use matter manip unless he's Voided out.

I don't see how Sentry's strength factors into Flash blitzing him at above light speed and dropping him into the Speed Force.

#20 Posted by All_Mighty_Beyonder (1578 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sideslash said:

@All_Mighty_Beyonder: The fact is he's hurt people with better durability showings than Sentry.

Also, Sentry doesn't really use matter manip unless he's Voided out.

I don't see how Sentry's strength factors into Flash blitzing him at above light speed and dropping him into the Speed Force.

the problem isn't just Sentry's durability but also the fact that he's indestructible.

Sentry without Void does have matter manipulation. he said it and demonstrate it. in issue where he fought Molecule Man (don't remember number)

let me ask you this question : do you think Flash can BFR a building to Speed Force? Flash can't push someone with super strength to Speed force...wait wait now i do recall something, he did BFR Superboy Prime to Speed Force isn't it? but was Superboy already knocked out or not? i don't remember.

#21 Posted by ImBoredLetsDebate (512 posts) - - Show Bio

@All_Mighty_Beyonder said:

@Sideslash said:

@All_Mighty_Beyonder: The fact is he's hurt people with better durability showings than Sentry.

Also, Sentry doesn't really use matter manip unless he's Voided out.

I don't see how Sentry's strength factors into Flash blitzing him at above light speed and dropping him into the Speed Force.

the problem isn't just Sentry's durability but also the fact that he's indestructible.

Sentry without Void does have matter manipulation. he said it and demonstrate it. in issue where he fought Molecule Man (don't remember number)

let me ask you this question : do you think Flash can BFR a building to Speed Force? Flash can't push someone with super strength to Speed force...wait wait now i do recall something, he did BFR Superboy Prime to Speed Force isn't it? but was Superboy already knocked out or not? i don't remember.

I don't think him being knocked out or not would matter; his mass, strength, and weight would still be the same.

#22 Posted by All_Mighty_Beyonder (1578 posts) - - Show Bio

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

@All_Mighty_Beyonder said:

@Sideslash said:

@All_Mighty_Beyonder: The fact is he's hurt people with better durability showings than Sentry.

Also, Sentry doesn't really use matter manip unless he's Voided out.

I don't see how Sentry's strength factors into Flash blitzing him at above light speed and dropping him into the Speed Force.

the problem isn't just Sentry's durability but also the fact that he's indestructible.

Sentry without Void does have matter manipulation. he said it and demonstrate it. in issue where he fought Molecule Man (don't remember number)

let me ask you this question : do you think Flash can BFR a building to Speed Force? Flash can't push someone with super strength to Speed force...wait wait now i do recall something, he did BFR Superboy Prime to Speed Force isn't it? but was Superboy already knocked out or not? i don't remember.

I don't think him being knocked out or not would matter; his mass, strength, and weight would still be the same.

mass, weight doesn't matter, but strength does, strength will present great resistence to pushing, did Flash BFR a KOed Superboy or not? can someone post the scan?

#23 Posted by ImBoredLetsDebate (512 posts) - - Show Bio

@All_Mighty_Beyonder said:

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

@All_Mighty_Beyonder said:

@Sideslash said:

@All_Mighty_Beyonder: The fact is he's hurt people with better durability showings than Sentry.

Also, Sentry doesn't really use matter manip unless he's Voided out.

I don't see how Sentry's strength factors into Flash blitzing him at above light speed and dropping him into the Speed Force.

the problem isn't just Sentry's durability but also the fact that he's indestructible.

Sentry without Void does have matter manipulation. he said it and demonstrate it. in issue where he fought Molecule Man (don't remember number)

let me ask you this question : do you think Flash can BFR a building to Speed Force? Flash can't push someone with super strength to Speed force...wait wait now i do recall something, he did BFR Superboy Prime to Speed Force isn't it? but was Superboy already knocked out or not? i don't remember.

I don't think him being knocked out or not would matter; his mass, strength, and weight would still be the same.

mass, weight doesn't matter, but strength does, strength will present great resistence to pushing, did Flash BFR a KOed Superboy or not? can someone post the scan?

A building doesn't have strength; it just has mass and weight. So, either they matter, or your analogy is flawed.

Strength does not present a great resistance to pushing when strength cannot be used to push back against whatever it is that is pushing said thing. The only thing that matters is said thing's weight and mass.

#24 Posted by LordMasterGod (223 posts) - - Show Bio

@All_Mighty_Beyonder said:

@Sideslash said:

@All_Mighty_Beyonder: The fact is he's hurt people with better durability showings than Sentry.

Also, Sentry doesn't really use matter manip unless he's Voided out.

I don't see how Sentry's strength factors into Flash blitzing him at above light speed and dropping him into the Speed Force.

the problem isn't just Sentry's durability but also the fact that he's indestructible.

Sentry without Void does have matter manipulation. he said it and demonstrate it. in issue where he fought Molecule Man (don't remember number)

let me ask you this question : do you think Flash can BFR a building to Speed Force? Flash can't push someone with super strength to Speed force...wait wait now i do recall something, he did BFR Superboy Prime to Speed Force isn't it? but was Superboy already knocked out or not? i don't remember.

didn't it take all the flashes for that?

#25 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

I've heard people say that Gladiator has comparable speed showing to Wally. Anybody want to confirm/deny this?

#26 Posted by TimeLordScience (1100 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire: sounds fishy.

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#27 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@TimeLordScience: I've read very little with Gladiator in it, but I think I would have at least seen scans if that were the case.

#28 Posted by Charlie_Jade (523 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

Team stomps

Most people on this Vine will say, it's the other way around.

One punch and Flash will end up in orbit.
@spawn_obsessed said:

"

This is a fight not a race"

exactly!

speed can only get you so far in battles

Flash can only annoy Superman, Darkseid, Surfer etc like a bee buzzing around a human annoying him

eventually Flash gets swatted

some stupid eco activist posted a ut youtube video about hunting killings vs ivory on youtube

it showed chained elephants going crazy and killing their owner

the video is disturbing to watch but it gives you a sense in the difference of power

people running around an elephant hitting it with things can only annoy the beast

Once the elephant tags the person they are dead

This is the difference in power - the same for Flash vs Superman

Flash can only annoy Superman

that's all

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Superman vs Flash is a long fight

Flash is fast but Supes has durability to soak a lot from Flash

Ranked 1-7 here's how I rank Flash in K4tzm4n's thread

The Flash

Intelligence: 4-

Strength: 3

Speed: 7-

Damage Soak: 4-

Telekenesis Psionics - 1

Agility - 3

Energy Projection - 2

Fighting Ability- 3

Doing a ranking system in the DC thread,

that's how I would rank Flash out of seven

They would be wrong. >_>

Flash dies

3 top tiers is spite

#29 Posted by Lady_Liberty (8281 posts) - - Show Bio

The team doesn't seem to have any method to resist the speed steal, no speed feats that would let them defend against an IMP blitz, and no durability feats that imply they could shrug off said IMP blitz.

#30 Posted by Schlampe (2578 posts) - - Show Bio
@Charlie_Jade said:

@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

Team stomps

Most people on this Vine will say, it's the other way around.

One punch and Flash will end up in orbit.
@spawn_obsessed said:

"

This is a fight not a race"

exactly!

speed can only get you so far in battles

Flash can only annoy Superman, Darkseid, Surfer etc like a bee buzzing around a human annoying him

eventually Flash gets swatted

some stupid eco activist posted a ut youtube video about hunting killings vs ivory on youtube

it showed chained elephants going crazy and killing their owner

the video is disturbing to watch but it gives you a sense in the difference of power

people running around an elephant hitting it with things can only annoy the beast

Once the elephant tags the person they are dead

This is the difference in power - the same for Flash vs Superman

Flash can only annoy Superman

that's all

.

.

.

.

Superman vs Flash is a long fight

Flash is fast but Supes has durability to soak a lot from Flash

Ranked 1-7 here's how I rank Flash in K4tzm4n's thread

The Flash

Intelligence: 4-

Strength: 3

Speed: 7-

Damage Soak: 4-

Telekenesis Psionics - 1

Agility - 3

Energy Projection - 2

Fighting Ability- 3

Doing a ranking system in the DC thread,

that's how I would rank Flash out of seven

They would be wrong. >_>

Flash dies

3 top tiers is spite

I feel like this logic is flawed. The whole "Speed will only get you so far and annoy" thing.
#31 Posted by ToO_RaW (1116 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

Team stomps

Most people on this Vine will say, it's the other way around.

They would be wrong. >_>

There say Flash will speedblitz, and IMP, or steal speed. They even got me presuaded a little.

Don't fall victim to the Flash wankers. lol. The Flash is a top tier character at best and he's human. These three would stomp him into jelly paste.

#32 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@ToO_RaW: Lol, I just pretend I agree with them. Deep down, I know any of these 3 shall solo.

#33 Posted by ToO_RaW (1116 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

@ToO_RaW: Lol, I just pretend I agree with them. Deep down, I know any of these 3 shall solo.

Deep down, they know it too.

#34 Posted by BlueHope (360 posts) - - Show Bio

Sentry or Gladiator are FTL? Btw team wins

#35 Edited by Charlie_Jade (523 posts) - - Show Bio

Gladiator at full confidence is FTL, not sure about Sentry. He seems much slower, he's faster than Thor but a snail to Gladiator

Sentry's fastest feat IMO was catching that bullet

#36 Edited by ToO_RaW (1116 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueHope said:

Sentry or Gladiator are FTL? Btw team wins

I'm not sure about Sentry but Gladiator operated a highly sophisticated space craft at hyper speed for days (light speed is generally referred to as hyper speed) . He flew from Pluto to earth at 100x the speed of light after containing a blast that would have wiped out half the solar system (Confirmed by Reed Richards). He has reacted in nanoseconds (that's 1 billionth of a second) to a punch thrown at him by Hyperion and blocked it. He's speed blitzed and killed several Nova corpse members before they knew what was even happening.

Plus he's shattered planets with his bare fists and flew through a 100 billion mile wide star just for the challenge. It's been even said he can collapse stars with is bare hands by Champion, an Elder of the Universe.

#37 Posted by theDCkid (889 posts) - - Show Bio

speed stealing is flashes only hope, the team wins this 9/10 times.

#38 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@ToO_RaW said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@ToO_RaW: Lol, I just pretend I agree with them. Deep down, I know any of these 3 shall solo.

Deep down, they know it too.

Yep

@Charlie_Jade: @ToO_RaW: Sentry is extremly fast. Multiple times FTL

Here he flies to Saturn before he can exhale

#39 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@All_Mighty_Beyonder said:

Sentry solo

this

#40 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lady_Liberty said:

The team doesn't seem to have any method to resist the speed steal, no speed feats that would let them defend against an IMP blitz, and no durability feats that imply they could shrug off said IMP blitz.

NO SPEED LOL

#41 Posted by LubeMan (1067 posts) - - Show Bio

It's threads like this that do my head in here!! Wall, against these three, and this isn't a one sided battle??

#42 Posted by Lady_Liberty (8281 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades: Blitzing Thor isn't that much of a speed feet lol.

#43 Posted by Lady_Liberty (8281 posts) - - Show Bio

@LubeMan said:

It's threads like this that do my head in here!! Wall, against these three, and this isn't a one sided battle??

Yeah, for them lol. They don't have much of a chance against Wally.

The Vine goes through phases where newer users arrive and don't yet grasp the extent of Wally's feats so there are times where he gets a lot of battles like this one. At least it was three on one this time.

#44 Posted by LubeMan (1067 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lady_Liberty said:

@LubeMan said:

It's threads like this that do my head in here!! Wall, against these three, and this isn't a one sided battle??

Yeah, for them lol. They don't have much of a chance against Wally.

The Vine goes through phases where newer users arrive and don't yet grasp the extent of Wally's feats so there are times where he gets a lot of battles like this one. At least it was three on one this time.

Right, so, with the likes of the rest of the league in there with him, you need Galactus types to defeat them, cause Wally on his own is a one man JLA??

#45 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lady_Liberty said:

@jackofspades: Blitzing Thor isn't that much of a speed feet lol.

dont change up now you said sentry has no speed and i just showed you he does,blitzing is blitzing

#46 Posted by Lady_Liberty (8281 posts) - - Show Bio

@LubeMan: While he can't replicate everything the JLA is capable of he can certainly come pretty close.

@jackofspades: You've lost me lol.

#47 Posted by LubeMan (1067 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades said:

@Lady_Liberty said:

@jackofspades: Blitzing Thor isn't that much of a speed feet lol.

dont change up now you said sentry has no speed and i just showed you he does,blitzing is blitzing

Indeed, correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't he speed blitz Thor in Siege. for the record, obviously not on par with flash, both Sentry & Glads have SS, and even Thor has a certain amount, not on pair with the other two!

#48 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lady_Liberty said:

@LubeMan: While he can't replicate everything the JLA is capable of he can certainly come pretty close.

@jackofspades: You've lost me lol.

how did i do that

#49 Posted by Lady_Liberty (8281 posts) - - Show Bio

@LubeMan: @jackofspades: Thor has struggled with Quicksilver's speed, I believe he was forced to use an AoE attack against him. That level of speed compared to the Wally is a non factor.

As such Sentry blitzing Thor is pretty much irrelevant.

#50 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12346 posts) - - Show Bio

@LubeMan said:

@jackofspades said:

@Lady_Liberty said:

@jackofspades: Blitzing Thor isn't that much of a speed feet lol.

dont change up now you said sentry has no speed and i just showed you he does,blitzing is blitzing

Indeed, correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't he speed blitz Thor in Siege. for the record, obviously not on par with flash, both Sentry & Glads have SS, and even Thor has a certain amount, not on pair with the other two!

yeah, but Wolverine has gotten the better of Thor speed wise, blitzing Thor really isn't much, Wally can still avoid them and land blows at the same time, stealing speed is in character id imagine, its just rare. Same with Speedforce dump, but isn't BFR not allowed? anyway, Sentry isn't fast enough to tag flash, neither is Thor or Gladiator. Because he's in character he'd probably just slow down for them and let them hit him.

Team wins due to CIS