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#1 Posted by mikep12 (4142 posts) - - Show Bio

All out who wins

#2 Posted by Cgoodness (5930 posts) - - Show Bio

I didn't really see anything that suggests the 1st could take on a being like FR

#3 Edited by JwwProd (10507 posts) - - Show Bio

Could go either way though I'll go with Volthoom though not easily.

#4 Posted by mikep12 (4142 posts) - - Show Bio

@cgoodness: creates and erases a reality just by thinking, takes all Lantern cores to fight including white lantern kyle rayner who hand waved the third army out of existent and still couldn't beat him. They need the death entity itself to beta him

#5 Posted by Cgoodness (5930 posts) - - Show Bio

@mikep12: not going to debate over reality warpers because they are no fun, but that's all stuff FR can easily do :/

#6 Edited by mikep12 (4142 posts) - - Show Bio

@cgoodness: First lantern can replicate anything Franklins done

#7 Posted by highaccuser (8411 posts) - - Show Bio

@mikep12 said:

@cgoodness: creates and erases a reality just by thinking, takes all Lantern cores to fight including white lantern kyle rayner who hand waved the third army out of existent and still couldn't beat him. They need the death entity itself to beta him

Kyle one shotting a lot ofthe Third Army is a feat that has been completely ignored. He's never since implied he has the power to do that, which is frustratingly inconsistent.

Those feats are nowhere near on par with the celestials, who =franklin.

#8 Edited by Cgoodness (5930 posts) - - Show Bio

@mikep12: ROTFL stomp celestial?

Make Galan his herald?

#9 Posted by mikep12 (4142 posts) - - Show Bio
#10 Posted by Cgoodness (5930 posts) - - Show Bio

@highaccuser: ya hes only appeared once i think though so his feats are limited. And didn't he need the Central Battery to warp reality?

#11 Posted by Cgoodness (5930 posts) - - Show Bio

@mikep12: yes if he access to the Central Battery he could, however thats not part of his normal power-set.

#12 Posted by mikep12 (4142 posts) - - Show Bio

@cgoodness: The first lantern no he didn't you must be talking about Kyle cause I can show you a scan of him erasing a reality he created for larfleez without effort and not a single central power battery in sight

#13 Posted by Cgoodness (5930 posts) - - Show Bio
#14 Posted by mikep12 (4142 posts) - - Show Bio

@cgoodness: this better

holds universe in his hand and plans to recreate it

creates a reality for kyle to show how perfect his life could have been and then erases it and shows him all the other possibilities I might be over blowing the second a bit ask @killemall

#15 Posted by Cgoodness (5930 posts) - - Show Bio

@mikep12:

to be honest he has shown to be a minor reality-warper in that he doesnt have the full power to warp all reality just nit pick some events

#16 Posted by sophia89 (5885 posts) - - Show Bio

@mikep12: wanted to point out some things.

first he didnt warp reality for kyle he created dreams for him+guy gardner+john stewart+Atrocies+carol ferris he fed of their emotions he was too weak to warp reality because the guardians used too much of his power.

he warped reality for sinestro who gave him enough emotions to fuel up to start warping reality.

also the first lantern didnt kill the third army,the third army died when he escaped and took his power back from the guardians.

did they nekron to beat the first lantern?

yes they did by then he was too powerful,if hal didnt become black lantern and summon nekron the corps would have lost.however the first lantern was hurt badly by parlax sinestro who became one with parlax and kept control of his body.

#17 Posted by mikep12 (4142 posts) - - Show Bio

@mikep12:

to be honest he has shown to be a minor reality-warper in that he doesnt have the full power to warp all reality just nit pick some events

This scan doesn't have anything to do with him not warping reality all ii shows or at least tells in that he can recreate reality for Atrocitus

Also absorbing power to hold and recreate the universe is far beyond Franklin who needed his past self just to bring back galactus and take no name celestials who are just planet busters

#18 Posted by cdiddyman911 (2538 posts) - - Show Bio

Richard stomps.

#19 Edited by Cgoodness (5930 posts) - - Show Bio

@mikep12:

his warping powers are dependent on the source hes using, lantern ring = minor warping for a individual, battery = full warping.

where FR has shown complete warping at will and can even create universes out of nothing

and celestials are far from just planet busters

edit: more celestial feats

http://www.comicvine.com/celestials/4060-13343/forums/how-omnipotent-are-celestials-1529446/#55

#20 Posted by mikep12 (4142 posts) - - Show Bio

@cgoodness: @sophia89: I said he kyle destroyed a small army of the third army also the entity's are powerful in there own rights and he did the same for larfleez not just sinestro. Also the scans you showed goodness was one him creating a universe so they both can do that, him creating a pocket universe not that impressive, and a combined celestial beating galactus who had just got done killing one of there own and he was serving all 4 of them so.... from were I stand I see a stalemate

#21 Posted by DarthMarko (31 posts) - - Show Bio

Seriously, how do you guys swallow that FR ****** GOD mode? I'm still in denial.....

#22 Edited by Cgoodness (5930 posts) - - Show Bio

@mikep12: you do realize thread creators arnt supposed to debate in their own threads :/ and everything 1st one has remotely done close to FR he needed a external energy source to do so, also if you look at all the scans and the link I posted the celestials are galaxy busters/omnipotent and FR still stomps them.

#23 Posted by Dextersinister (6496 posts) - - Show Bio

@cgoodness: It's incredibly easy to make universes in Marvel, a simple time travel device can create universes every time it's used.

Celestials also seem to be killed or beaten fairly often, even Sinister would have killed one if not for Magneto and the fact that there are multiple in each universe means they are less than universal, destroying almost any universe will kill lots of Celestials.

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#24 Edited by cosmicallyaware1 (4771 posts) - - Show Bio

Franklin created his own universe. As a child. Nuff said.

#25 Edited by Cgoodness (5930 posts) - - Show Bio

@dextersinister: I'm not a expert on celestials, but they die scarcely to my knowledge

#26 Posted by mikep12 (4142 posts) - - Show Bio

@cgoodness: sorry got carried away just wanted to provide feats

#27 Edited by Cgoodness (5930 posts) - - Show Bio
#28 Edited by mikep12 (4142 posts) - - Show Bio
#29 Edited by TheMagicStik (2027 posts) - - Show Bio

@cgoodness: I haven't read the arc in a while but I don't see any of those scans indicating he needed the battery to be a reality warper. I'm pretty sure he just needed to feast on their emotions for a little while then he became strong enough to reality warp the Universe. Anyways before that, those weren't dreams, he was really changing reality.

#30 Posted by TheMagicStik (2027 posts) - - Show Bio

@cosmicallyaware1: Volthoom created his own Universe when he was an ancient immortal being nuff said?

#31 Edited by New_World_Order (13516 posts) - - Show Bio

Franklin Richards.

#32 Posted by AngryHulks (3001 posts) - - Show Bio

Franklin created his own universe. As a child. Nuff said.

Technically a large particle collider (I mean a very large one, far larger than what we have on Earth) is capable of budding off the new universe.

Volthoom at full power almost successfully rewrite the entire history of the DC universe.

#33 Posted by thanosii (1360 posts) - - Show Bio

The way i see it Celestials have always shown to be universal at least and FR being their equal is above first lantern. Kubik has held the universe in one hand and he is levels below FR. Reese and Beyonder have changed mulitverses but are below FR.

All these are way above 1st Lantern, so Franklin stomps

#34 Posted by Strongarm (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

Richards, more feats and years in continuity to gather more

#35 Edited by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

Spite thread. First Lantern is nowhere near that kind of power.

#36 Edited by lol (5388 posts) - - Show Bio
#37 Posted by Cor_Tsar (1255 posts) - - Show Bio

So, like, is Franklin stronger than Eternity?

#38 Posted by JwwProd (10507 posts) - - Show Bio

@cor_tsar said:

So, like, is Franklin stronger than Eternity?

HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#39 Posted by Cor_Tsar (1255 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwwprod: But isn't Galactus considered = Eternity? That part confuses the sh*t out of me.

#40 Posted by mikep12 (4142 posts) - - Show Bio

Not really debating just saying I don't know how no name celestials without feats are universal when 4 of them can't take galactus at the same time without combining

#41 Posted by JwwProd (10507 posts) - - Show Bio

@cor_tsar said:

@jwwprod: But isn't Galactus considered = Eternity? That part confuses the sh*t out of me.

No Galactus is nowhere near on Eternity's level though it has been stated at times that he is also equal to Eternity when he is at full power though statements have never really lived up to it.

#42 Posted by Cor_Tsar (1255 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwwprod: And then this is where i really get confused. Galactus (apparently) is never at full power or fully fed. So if there had been a fully fed Galactus, could Franklin still have done what he did? Common sense says yes, but comic logic gets real confusing once we get into cosmic beings, and i'm not knowledgeable enough on the topic.

#43 Posted by TheMagicStik (2027 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol reading this thread you get the real feel like nobody reads Green Lantern.

Volthoom is the highest tier of reality benders, he thinks it, it happens. Just because Franklin has a longer history does not make him stronger.

#44 Edited by JwwProd (10507 posts) - - Show Bio

@cor_tsar: That a very good question, though if Galactus at full power being equal to Eternity is true then I don't think Franklin is going to make Galactus his herald.

The closet we've seen to a full power Galactus was the Last Planet Standing story arc from the MC2 universe where he supposedly became more powerful then the Living Tribunal though that story arc is not canon (though it's most likely canon to the Living Tribunal since he exists in all universes simultaneously).

There is also that freaking Ultimate Nullifier! (though that's not go that far).

#45 Edited by Darkbiscuit (689 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwwprod: Galan is said to be full power when he vonsumes every planet. Getting that from a fellow viner but I dont remember who so i guess not too reliable :(.

Celestials rarely die...whoever said that is silly (too lazy to scroll up on mobile).

#46 Posted by lol (5388 posts) - - Show Bio
#48 Edited by lol (5388 posts) - - Show Bio

@cgoodness: It's incredibly easy to make universes in Marvel, a simple time travel device can create universes every time it's used.

Celestials also seem to be killed or beaten fairly often, even Sinister would have killed one if not for Magneto and the fact that there are multiple in each universe means they are less than universal, destroying almost any universe will kill lots of Celestials.

I expect nobody buy this s#1t

#49 Posted by Deranged Midget (17961 posts) - - Show Bio

It took all the Corps to even stand up to Volthoom, he laughed off Parallax Sinestro's attacks and it took Nekron to take him down. I'm not too entirely knowledgeable on Franklin's feats but I don't think Volthoom is being brushed off here so easily.

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#50 Posted by dondave (38882 posts) - - Show Bio

It took all the Corps to even stand up to Volthoom, he laughed off Parallax Sinestro's attacks and it took Nekron to take him down. I'm not too entirely knowledgeable on Franklin's feats but I don't think Volthoom is being brushed off here so easily.