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#1 Posted by JediXMan (29619 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm trying to gauge the power levels here.
 
Morals: Standard
Standard equipment
No prep
Location: Middle of space.
 

#2 Posted by Outside_85 (8145 posts) - - Show Bio

Despite the gauntlet, I will say the Endless...quite easily since they cant die unless Death allows it. 
Speaking of Death, Thanos wouldn't harm her ( the big softie) :)

#3 Posted by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio
@Outside_85 said:
Despite the gauntlet, I will say the Endless...quite easily since they cant die unless Death allows it. Speaking of Death, Thanos wouldn't harm her ( the big softie) :)
Thanos had no trouble turning the Infinity Gauntlet on Death with the rest of the Abstracts when they attacked him, why for even a second thought he wouldn't attack this completely foreign Death to him escapes me.
#4 Posted by Outside_85 (8145 posts) - - Show Bio
@isaac_clarke: Death is the same no matter where she/it is....but i defer to the attack part of your statement.
#5 Posted by TheMightyAvenger (1912 posts) - - Show Bio

The Endless win i think.

#6 Posted by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio
@Outside_85 said:
@isaac_clarke: Death is the same no matter where she/it is....but i defer to the attack part of your statement.
The one that Thanos is in love with is in Marvel, he could careless about alternate incarnations of her from a different multiverse.  
He wasn't exactly shedding any tears in imperative because that universe's death was dead.
#7 Posted by AssertingValor (5381 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos would eradicate death then kill the rest.................
#8 Posted by Outside_85 (8145 posts) - - Show Bio
@isaac_clarke: Death in marvel is the same as she is in the Endless.
#9 Posted by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio
@Outside_85 said:
@isaac_clarke: Death in marvel is the same as she is in the Endless.
Shes a different lady, having the same function doesn't mean much. And despite Death's ability in Marvel to even affect a completely different universe, she has multiple counter parts in said multiverse. 
Thanos is a one lady guy.
#10 Posted by TheMightyAvenger (1912 posts) - - Show Bio
@Outside_85: They aren't from the same multiverse so i don't think they are the same, either way i think the Endless got this.
#11 Posted by Outside_85 (8145 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheMightyAvenger: Ah, but isn't the concepts these things (Endless/Abstracts) represent the same no matter where it happens? 
#12 Posted by TheMightyAvenger (1912 posts) - - Show Bio
@Outside_85: Well of that I'm not to sure, you should ask someone more knowledgeable on this kind of stuff. But as for the battle who do you think wins ?
#13 Posted by doomsummers (761 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan said:
I'm trying to gauge the power levels here.
 
Morals: Standard
Standard equipment
No prep
Location: Middle of space.
 
The endless looks like a misplace porno
#14 Posted by Killemall (18268 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos wins, man he was in complete control with that massive power, i dont see the endless winning. 

#15 Posted by The Stegman (23133 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos..until he sees Death, and ask her out on a date

#16 Posted by the darknessss (2750 posts) - - Show Bio

thanos winner as long as he doesnt start jobbing around,he beat the team in IG story with not alot of trouble,omnipotent power with thanos should do it.
#17 Posted by comicdude23 (11399 posts) - - Show Bio
      This guy.
#18 Posted by utotheg38 (18883 posts) - - Show Bio

lol death is death

#19 Posted by eisjfiejss (513 posts) - - Show Bio

The endless win...possibly easily.

#20 Posted by emperorznb (1673 posts) - - Show Bio

The Titan...

#21 Posted by Sherlock (7242 posts) - - Show Bio
@Outside_85 said:
@TheMightyAvenger: Ah, but isn't the concepts these things (Endless/Abstracts) represent the same no matter where it happens? 
Not really.Thats like saying everyone in everything has an alter ego in another multiverse.Eventually you have to take into consideration that these are works of fiction and the writers and companies arent the.If they were every work of fiction ever would be linked and we wouldnt have any need of battle forums
 
The Endless should take this thought it will not be easy
#22 Posted by MutieLover (100 posts) - - Show Bio

This battle is dumb. The Endless represent concepts in the DC universe, but dont exist beyond that multiiverse. So its doubtful they could exist outside there own multiverse, and definitily not with their full power.

The Infinity Gauntlet only works in Marvel universe (as seen when Darkseid discarded it after he realised it wouldn't work ).

So if one group were to crossover to the others universe they would both be put at an extreme disadvantage.

#23 Posted by Outside_85 (8145 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sherlock: No, meant that Superman for example is only on earth-DC with no true 'copy' of him on earth-marvel, things like the Endless transcend these inter-dimensional borders. They appear different in each setting but are the same being. Like Marvel's Death is the more traditional Grim Reaper sort while Death of the Endless appears like a young woman, but are the same being.

#24 Posted by Malonius (883 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan:

It is hard to make sense of this fight. The Endless are more like anthropomorphic representations of the fundamental understructure of existence, especially sentient existence. Thanos would either have no power over them or could only hurt himself by messing with them as they are the substance of his own existence as a sentient being.

  1. Time Gem: The Endless are beyond time, no effect.
  2. Space Gem: The Endless are omnipresent, no effect.
  3. Mind Gem: In the Illuminati, it was revealed that the Mind Gem was the personification of the universal subconscious. Therefore, Mind Gem = Dream...stalemate.
  4. Soul Gem: When Lucifer closed Hell it irritated Death that she had to run around chasing down all the wayward souls that escaped, but that's about it. The Endless aren't mortal beings with souls, no effect.
  5. Reality Gem: The Endless are fundamental to any reality that Thanos could create that includes his continued existence as a sentient being wielding the Gauntlet and the Gems themselves cannot be willed out of existence. So long as he lives, there will be Death. So long as he acts, it will cause Destruction of the status quo. So long as he imagines and thinks, he will depend on Dream and Desire. If he wishes to think new thoughts and have novel experiences, Delirium (formerly Delight) will exist. As long as there is existence, it's opposite is nothingness and Despair. Absolutely everything that will happen is written in Destiny's book...that's why even Lucifer Morningstar has no power over Destiny.
  6. Power Gem: I think this Gem protects Thanos from any attack by Endless just as he was unharmed by the Cosmics in Infinity Gauntlet. He has as much power as he needs to counter any of their attempts to manipulate him and has equal control over every force in existence as them.

The only advantage the Endless have is their experience. I think it's possible that by very subtle manipulations of his thoughts and desires they might get him to take off the Gauntlet of his own accord. Otherwise it would be a stalemate.

#25 Posted by _Black (2302 posts) - - Show Bio

@Malonius: Nice post.

#26 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@ebuchanan said:

Thanos would eradicate death then kill the rest.................
#27 Posted by Malonius (883 posts) - - Show Bio

@_Black: Thanks. I don't think that people quite get the Endless as conceived by Gaiman. They're not traditional comic book characters.

@jeanroygrant said:

@ebuchanan said:

Thanos would eradicate death then kill the rest.................

Thanos would destroy Death? You understand that one of the Endless is Destruction and that Death would be the one showing up to take herself into Death? Death will exist until the end of existence as stated in Sandman and it was revealed in Illuminati that the Infinity Gauntlet can't unmake itself.

#28 Posted by JackKnight (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the Endless would win but not easily that all.

#29 Edited by thanosii (1208 posts) - - Show Bio

thanos has already defeated all abtracts, to even say endless win is like saying they can defeat ETERNITY INFINITY CHAOS ORDER and DEATH!!!

#30 Edited by JackKnight (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

@thanosii: The Endless can defeat most of the Marvel universe say for someone like the Living Tribunal.

#31 Edited by Sethlol (1296 posts) - - Show Bio

The Endless.

#32 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio
#33 Edited by JackKnight (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

@betatesthighlander1: Well the Endless all togeather are almost as powerful as Lucifer Morningstar and Lucifer Morningstar would beat Thanos with the IG.

Though if I'm honest if any of the Endless were taking on Thanos by them selfs then Thanos would most likely win though all of the Endless are working togeather they might be able to beat Thanos, not saying it would be a curbstomp or that it will be easy but still.

Read Malonius comment, I mostly agree on what he said.

#34 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio
@malonius said:

@JediXMan:

It is hard to make sense of this fight. The Endless are more like anthropomorphic representations of the fundamental understructure of existence, especially sentient existence. Thanos would either have no power over them or could only hurt himself by messing with them as they are the substance of his own existence as a sentient being.

  1. Time Gem: The Endless are beyond time, no effect.
  2. Space Gem: The Endless are omnipresent, no effect.
  3. Mind Gem: In the Illuminati, it was revealed that the Mind Gem was the personification of the universal subconscious. Therefore, Mind Gem = Dream...stalemate.
  4. Soul Gem: When Lucifer closed Hell it irritated Death that she had to run around chasing down all the wayward souls that escaped, but that's about it. The Endless aren't mortal beings with souls, no effect.
  5. Reality Gem: The Endless are fundamental to any reality that Thanos could create that includes his continued existence as a sentient being wielding the Gauntlet and the Gems themselves cannot be willed out of existence. So long as he lives, there will be Death. So long as he acts, it will cause Destruction of the status quo. So long as he imagines and thinks, he will depend on Dream and Desire. If he wishes to think new thoughts and have novel experiences, Delirium (formerly Delight) will exist. As long as there is existence, it's opposite is nothingness and Despair. Absolutely everything that will happen is written in Destiny's book...that's why even Lucifer Morningstar has no power over Destiny.
  6. Power Gem: I think this Gem protects Thanos from any attack by Endless just as he was unharmed by the Cosmics in Infinity Gauntlet. He has as much power as he needs to counter any of their attempts to manipulate him and has equal control over every force in existence as them.

The only advantage the Endless have is their experience. I think it's possible that by very subtle manipulations of his thoughts and desires they might get him to take off the Gauntlet of his own accord. Otherwise it would be a stalemate.

the soul Gem was enough to entirely ignore the suggestions of Love and Hate, so the IG should be enough to resist

@betatesthighlander1: Well the Endless all togeather are almost as powerful as Lucifer Morningstar and Lucifer Morningstar would beat Thanos with the IG.

Though if I'm honest if any of the Endless were taking on Thanos by them selfs then Thanos would most likely win though all of the Endless are working togeather they might be able to beat Thanos, not saying it would be a curbstomp or that it will be easy but still.

Read Malonius comment, I mostly agree on what he said.

I'm not sure what evidence exists to suggest either of those]

anyways, I'd place the Endless on level with people like Eternity; who Thanos beat fairly easily

#35 Posted by eisjfiejss (513 posts) - - Show Bio

The Endless should win.

#36 Posted by New_World_Order (12546 posts) - - Show Bio
#37 Posted by JediXMan (29619 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow. I forgot I even made this thread.

#38 Posted by Malonius (883 posts) - - Show Bio

@betatesthighlander1: The Endless are subtler concepts than what I usually see portrayed with the Marvel Abstract/Cosmic characters. That might just be the difference between the level of writing or intended audience between the more literary Neil Gaiman and the more action oriented Marvel writers. I think Thanos would not be able to destroy any of the Endless without fundamentally altering his own existence whereas the Endless would have the wisdom and patience to slowly undermine his character. Maybe Thanos could assume their responsibilities and thus eliminate them.

#39 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio

@malonius said:

@betatesthighlander1: The Endless are subtler concepts than what I usually see portrayed with the Marvel Abstract/Cosmic characters. That might just be the difference between the level of writing or intended audience between the more literary Neil Gaiman and the more action oriented Marvel writers. I think Thanos would not be able to destroy any of the Endless without fundamentally altering his own existence whereas the Endless would have the wisdom and patience to slowly undermine his character. Maybe Thanos could assume their responsibilities and thus eliminate them.

yeah, I guess i could see that happening

anyways, the problem I see is that the Endless aren't going to be able to hide from Thanos very well, so I don't really see them getting the time to uyndermine Thanos

#40 Edited by Shawnbaby (10443 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos.

The Endless can "die". When they do...they are replaced with a new incarnation of themselves. These deaths don't seem to have much affect on the universe, since the role is immediately filled with a new Aspect.

#41 Edited by Malonius (883 posts) - - Show Bio

@malonius said:

@betatesthighlander1: The Endless are subtler concepts than what I usually see portrayed with the Marvel Abstract/Cosmic characters. That might just be the difference between the level of writing or intended audience between the more literary Neil Gaiman and the more action oriented Marvel writers. I think Thanos would not be able to destroy any of the Endless without fundamentally altering his own existence whereas the Endless would have the wisdom and patience to slowly undermine his character. Maybe Thanos could assume their responsibilities and thus eliminate them.

yeah, I guess i could see that happening

anyways, the problem I see is that the Endless aren't going to be able to hide from Thanos very well, so I don't really see them getting the time to uyndermine Thanos

What kind of omniscience does the IG confer? Does Thanos really know everything or can he just know anything he wants? The Endless are very high level Cosmic/Abstract beings. They might know tricks that Thanos, new to higher level consciousness, doesn't even know to ask about.

#42 Edited by rolldestroyer (3508 posts) - - Show Bio

the endless win, dream alone is easily multiversal.

#43 Edited by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio

@malonius said:

@betatesthighlander1 said:

@malonius said:

@betatesthighlander1: The Endless are subtler concepts than what I usually see portrayed with the Marvel Abstract/Cosmic characters. That might just be the difference between the level of writing or intended audience between the more literary Neil Gaiman and the more action oriented Marvel writers. I think Thanos would not be able to destroy any of the Endless without fundamentally altering his own existence whereas the Endless would have the wisdom and patience to slowly undermine his character. Maybe Thanos could assume their responsibilities and thus eliminate them.

yeah, I guess i could see that happening

anyways, the problem I see is that the Endless aren't going to be able to hide from Thanos very well, so I don't really see them getting the time to uyndermine Thanos

What kind of omniscience does the IG confer? Does Thanos really know everything or can he just know anything he wants? The Endless are very high level Cosmic/Abstract beings. They might know tricks that Thanos, new to higher level consciousness, doesn't even know to ask about.

wouldn't a higher level of knowledge imply knowledge of how to use knowledge?

anyways, Thanos can (theoretically) just read everyone's minds and stuff

I think tricking Thanos would be pretty difficult, but I guess it could happen

#44 Posted by lol (4021 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos wins, man he was in complete control with that massive power, i dont see the endless winning.

#45 Posted by lol (4021 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos wins, man he was in complete control with that massive power, i dont see the endless winning.

#46 Edited by JediXMan (29619 posts) - - Show Bio
@jedixman said:

Wow. I forgot I even made this thread.

I forgot again.

#47 Edited by skyroid (328 posts) - - Show Bio

have anyone here read sandman series or just thanos's stories?

tell wat the shit is thanos gonna do to

destiny? destiny isnt something u kill, only endless death takes him when she wants to

Endless Death? Your gonna kill her? shit she is dead and life..god

destruction? u gonna unleashed destruction on THE destruction?

Dream? wat u gonna do? thanos doesn't dream, not even about mistress death?

desire? thanos doesn't have desire?

Despair?Let thanos weep hell never get mistress cause deadpool will

Delirium {was delight} wats he gonna do?

do u know why the host of dream, Morpheus died? cause he asked his sister death to take him!!!

u cant kill anyone unless death of endless allows it!!! wat u gonna do kill death? shes is dead and life and beginning and ending, ur gonna kill her and let her take herself to death?

endless death isnt same as mistress death

#48 Edited by mikep12 (4142 posts) - - Show Bio

Endless

#49 Edited by Primebonnick (1768 posts) - - Show Bio

@skyroid said:

have anyone here read sandman series or just thanos's stories?

tell wat the shit is thanos gonna do to

destiny? destiny isnt something u kill, only endless death takes him when she wants to

Endless Death? Your gonna kill her? shit she is dead and life..god

destruction? u gonna unleashed destruction on THE destruction?

Dream? wat u gonna do? thanos doesn't dream, not even about mistress death?

desire? thanos doesn't have desire?

Despair?Let thanos weep hell never get mistress cause deadpool will

Delirium {was delight} wats he gonna do?

do u know why the host of dream, Morpheus died? cause he asked his sister death to take him!!!

u cant kill anyone unless death of endless allows it!!! wat u gonna do kill death? shes is dead and life and beginning and ending, ur gonna kill her and let her take herself to death?

endless death isnt same as mistress death

I agree with you except Lucifer seem to imply he can/could kill dream and Dream himself backed it up so they can die if a higher power kills them. Well except death i guess

#50 Posted by Baron_von_Santa (4271 posts) - - Show Bio

@primebonnick: actually, in DC it is not so simple. lucifer can manipulate literally anything, so all he has to do is manipulate the concepts into something else. anyway, the guy we are talking about can just easily call his brother Michael to one-shot creation.