The Endless and the Spectre vs Celestials and Living Tribunal

Full power, no restrictions.

ummm..

LT solo.

The Endless can't affect him.
Spectre is lesser than Lucifer, who would need Michael to have a chance to stalemate with LT.

" LT solo.The Endless can't affect him.Spectre is lesser than Lucifer, who would need Michael to have a chance to stalemate with LT. "

The Living Tribunal solos.

Orthough since the Spectre is that full power he might have chance.

The Celestials are useless here.

No version of the Spectre is as strong as LT, this has been proven to death.

QFF.

LT solos

@girugamesh: I never said the Spectre was as powerful as the Living Tribunal, all I said was since the Spectre is that full power he would have a better chance but he will still loose not it would be that big of a curbstomp.

I'd say The Living Tribunal against the Spectre would win 6 out of 10.

The Celestials could solo too, if we take the most powerful ones into account.

Uncanny Avengers 7 doesn't count

@jackknight: Spectre has never been held in the same regards as Living Tribunal really, after 2005 Marvel has outright, twice , said Living Tribunal is the most powerful being in Marvel , secondly only 2 God, the same has never been said about Spectre we know DC actually has quite a lot of people who are above Spectre. COIE AM, Michael, Lucifer, Gabriel.

Being at full power, might make him more powerful, but i have not seen anything to suggest Presence knowingly grants him more power, just that he has within him a connection to something called Logoz from which he draws the power from. Logoz could be connected to presence, but its been shown that his connection to Logoz can be severed, as done by Lucifer.

Living Tribunal is just regarded a lot higher than Spectre is, i dont think being at full power or otherwise matters.

Fair enough.

Except the LT would win 10/10, since at that level varying circumstances really don't come into play. It's just a case of whose night omnipotence is on the higher level. With that in mind, LT solos.

Stalemate for Spectre and LT. Death and Destiny of the Endless just sit back and watch. LT is the Judge who serves the God of his realm and Spectre is the vengeance of the God in his realm. If LT was sent to judge Spectre and Spectre was sent to take vengeance on LT then it would be a epic stalemate. Normally LT would banish or defeat Spectre but because Spectre has full power, I say stalemate.

@rijehu: LT kills spectre, the endless stomp celestials, then stalemate between destiny death and LT

LT solos and Scathan solos.

@eternityx: destiny and death, can stalemate LT, the rest of them plus the spectre can beat the celestials

the endless are nigh omnipresent, and masters of magic on a multiversal scale.

LT> destiny> death> dream> destruction> spectre> rest of endless > celestials

@baron_von_santa: I doubt if LT kills Spectre seeing as to how Spectre serves a purpose to The Presence, but he wins. I agree with the rest.

@rijehu: he is his own man, the presence does not help him at all

@baron_von_santa: Scathan>LT> destiny> death> dream> destruction> spectre> rest of endless > rest of celestials

@baron_von_santa Well since he says full power with no Presence, I say LT beats Spectre, but not kill him. It is not a curbstomp at all imo.

@eternityx: scathan is here? god. he is different. then endless loses.

Team 2

@rijehu: there never is a backing of the presence

@baron_von_santa: Spectre is a jobber quit often now that you mention that...

@rijehu: because of PIS, he can beat half the poeple he loses to if PIS is canceled. and his power goes like this;

unbound> corrigan> Hal> Allen

@baron_von_santa So Hal was his most potent vessel?

@rijehu: no, the third

@baron_von_santa: So why is it that The Spectre needs a vessel whereas Lucifer and Michael don't? Also, why isn't the Archangel Gabriel mentioned much in DC?

@rijehu: because of The Words death, Michael forced the spectre to do that, why Michael does not need a vessel i do not know, maybe they do not need vessels now and nobody bothered to tell spectre.

actually maybe because the spectre without a vessel to limit him he does crazy things so god decreed that the spectre must have a vessel.

@rijehu: spectre is the only angle i know that needs a vessel, the phantom stranger, the radiant, they do not need vessels to limit them

@baron_von_santa: I suppose because he is God's wrath, he needs to have some kind of chain or limit (vessel). God can't have his wrath destroying all of creation.

@rijehu: no, unbound and crazy, he tried to get into heaven. Michael stopped him as easily as me brushing my teeth, then threw him like a doll

Do Not Use Unbeatable Characters

Simple rule and one that should be obvious as it falls under the spite thread rules, but I'll spell it out so everyone can see it. No more using omnipotent characters. By using characters like TOAA, Bugs Bunny (just cause the fact of his toonforce being ridiculous), Presence (or Over-Monitor whatever), MoM etc, we don't get debates. We get either a stalemate between omnipotent characters, which lacks a debate as they can't do anything to each other, or destroys any other character(s) even if you stack abstracts against them. If you can't feasibly beat a character then don't use it. If you see someone using essentially unbeatable characters like TOAA or ridiculous toonforce capabilities like Bugs Bunny, flag it. Even if the character is created and falls under the category, flag it. These threads offer nothing and clog up the forum.

@shawnbaby: seems like all you did is BUMP this

When I flag a battle I like to give the reason as to why. If it wasn't already in the front page..I wouldn't have bothered though.

@shawnbaby: then tell us as the Baron said, who is omnipotet here?

And as I told the Baron and yourself already...I leave it in the hands of the mods. In my view matches like this always result in a stalemate between very powerful characters that can not really do anything to each other.

@shawnbaby: you mean that if some someone's ont of your league then you just assume there the same? and the mods didn't do nothing about it or they would've locked 2 yrs ago

And Like I've stated repeatedly...I'm just bringing it to their attention...if they feel it should stay open...that's fine.

@shawnbaby: beat it

Then stop tagging me in your replies.

@baron_von_santa: I have seen that thread. Michael and Lucifer are my favorite characters. If I could create a marvel or DC Character, it would be of Angelic nature.

@rijehu: but in this thread scathan and LT both are just too much

all the celestials ( probably hundreds of them) > spectre, desire and despair

LT and scathan> destiny, destruction, death and dream

though a close fight, marvel wins

Team Marvel

Personally I think it's very stupid for the Celestial to be able to even think they can imagine to touch one of an Endless, I mean do people read comics at all? Do you know what the Endless are? Do you know what a concept is? An idea that exist by all necessary necessity? T0AA cannot possibly even do nothing about the endless because according to comics even the Presence cannot undo them. Why? Because they are IDEAS! They're agency!!! For example how would you wipe destiny from reality when if it isn't you realizing your destiny to try to wipe out destiny from reality? It doesn't make sense and even by so doing so you're literally working with Desire, for desiring such action in the first place, and surely you would wanna need destruction to do that... And if that desire of trying to destroy destiny could not be met then you would be forced to loose hope and face DESPAIR! They would look so stupid after realizing this... They would abandon such cause according to their destiny in destiny's book and Desire something else because they wouldn't wanna mess up with unthinkable realities. And I heard someone saying something like "the endless are featless". Guy you need to go grab some overture comics and think again... The endless are featless, yes because they're FEATS themselves!!!

Team 2

Team 1.

Man, how wanked was LT back then, lmao. Lucifer and Michael barely stalemating him?? lol

OT: Any of the Endless solo here.

Even an Unbound Spectre Solos