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#1 Edited by the darknessss (2750 posts) - - Show Bio
 

Hal jordan wants to bring in jackie for questioning,,can he take him down,fight takes place in nyc at midnight.
 
#2 Posted by skaarason (683 posts) - - Show Bio

has much as i like both , long as hal has a charge he wins !

#3 Posted by progenitor (7541 posts) - - Show Bio

I actually would love to see this fight.  If this were Kyle Rayner, i'd give it to Estacado, but it being Hal, i'd say he takes down Jackie.  It would be tough, though, especially if it were at night, 'cause Jackie would be able to use the shadows to his advantage and deal out some impressive firepower and offense, but all Hal has to do is shine his ring bright as could be on Jackie and that's it.  Even if Jackie had firearms, Hal would have overwhelming power, and he could easily exploit Jackie's darkness with light.  Either way, I like Darkness more.

#4 Posted by Sexy Merc (42072 posts) - - Show Bio

The Green Lantern pictured is Kyle Rayner.

#5 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8854 posts) - - Show Bio

Is Darkness at full power? Because what power level the Darkness is operating at will make a BIG difference.

#6 Posted by IcePrince_X (4865 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkness wins if this fight goes in the dark. 
I am not familiar with the green light and how it can affect the Darkness' powers.

#7 Posted by whacknasty (5615 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah.... I think what level the Darkness is operating at might make a difference... And I read around here somewhere that Jackie still was able to do some pretty powerful things even in mid-day sun, so I'm not sure if shining light from the ring will be a clincher or anything...

#8 Posted by the darknessss (2750 posts) - - Show Bio
@whacknasty:
@Crom-Cruach:  he has full power to stop hal jordan.
#9 Posted by Fist_of_Mandalore (1879 posts) - - Show Bio
@progenitor: Not true. It needs to be direct sunlight. Jackie can actually control the darkness in the morning and night when the sun is first coming up and first coming down. It Hal Jordan's light won't do it. Idk who wins  I'm just saying that that is not how Hal would win.
#10 Edited by Crom-Cruach (8854 posts) - - Show Bio
@the darknessss: Then Hall will die screaming pure and simple. At his highest power, then Estacado's mind becomes inconsequential as he is nothing more then a physical vessel of the primordial incarnation of the dynamic forces of chaos and absence of light. A being that was created when God separated light from from Darkness by uttering "Let there be Light!" and that is so powerful that going full out he can shake the foundations of the universe and thus adheres to self-imposed labyrinthine rules to ensure the universe survives his battle with his opposite, the Light (also known as the Angelus Force), Kyle is an insect compared to the Darkness at full power.
#11 Edited by NexusOfLight (1715 posts) - - Show Bio

Couldn't Jackie create a darkling inside Hal's body? His power isn't limited by range, and he's shown to be capable of creating creatures inside of people's bodies before. At first, I thought Darkness vs a Green Lantern would give the fight to the GL easy, but going through my mental records, the Darkness can do some pretty amazing things.

#12 Posted by progenitor (7541 posts) - - Show Bio
@Fist_of_Mandalore said:
" @progenitor: Not true. It needs to be direct sunlight. Jackie can actually control the darkness in the morning and night when the sun is first coming up and first coming down. It Hal Jordan's light won't do it. Idk who wins  I'm just saying that that is not how Hal would win. "

Thanks for clarifying, that's awesome, I didn't know he could still control during dawn and dusk.
#13 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8854 posts) - - Show Bio
@NexusOfLight:  see abov about what the Darkness is, at full power Hal has absolutely no chance. And you are correct, he could create a darkling inside him to rip out at a distance, this is something normal level darkness can do.
#14 Posted by NexusOfLight (1715 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach said:
" @NexusOfLight:  see abov about what the Darkness is, at full power Hal has absolutely no chance. And you are correct, he could create a darkling inside him to rip out at a distance, this is something normal level darkness can do. "
Nice to see a knowledgeable Top Cow fan in the forums.
#15 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8854 posts) - - Show Bio
@NexusOfLight: love Top Cow, the Witchblade verse is one of the few american comic lines I actually like enought to make the effort to keep up with
#16 Edited by Aquamariner (203 posts) - - Show Bio

um...correct me if Im wrong but isn't the Darkness photo-intolerant?! As in, you shine a light at him and his darklings run off like crazies.  He can't operate under any light, right? If so then Hal wins, hands down, just for that reason alone.

#17 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8854 posts) - - Show Bio
@Aquamariner: No, you are wrong. Light being his opposite one crushes the other. To stop the Darkness with Light one has to use a mystical force of the metaphysical representation of light with equal strenght of the energy the Darkness entity has infused in his vessel. If Darkness's level is superior, his Darkness will swallow all light. See my above posts, at full power, the Darkness can potentially endanger the whole universe and the only thing that can stop him is the Angelus Force, his primordial opposite. GL is a non-factor against Full power Darkness.
 
The Darkness entity is the metaphysical incarnation of Darkness and Chaos half of the universe created by God in the top cow universe. GL is not even close to that level.
#18 Posted by Fist_of_Mandalore (1879 posts) - - Show Bio
@progenitor: Yeah, he can actually do more than that. You should read his comics. Darkness is a total badass and is one of the most unstoppable forces in any comic universe.
#19 Posted by OmegaDynasty (9190 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach said:
" @Aquamariner: No, you are wrong. Light being his opposite one crushes the other. To stop the Darkness with Light one has to use a mystical force of the metaphysical representation of light with equal strenght of the energy the Darkness entity has infused in his vessel. If Darkness's level is superior, his Darkness will swallow all light. See my above posts, at full power, the Darkness can potentially endanger the whole universe and the only thing that can stop him is the Angelus Force, his primordial opposite. GL is a non-factor against Full power Darkness.  The Darkness entity is the metaphysical incarnation of Darkness and Chaos half of the universe created by God in the top cow universe. GL is not even close to that level."

So what you're saying is a full powered Darkness is pretty much the GEB from DC?
#20 Posted by IcePrince_X (4865 posts) - - Show Bio

The Power of the Darkness is equal to a god - creation among its most power feats and limited only to its host's imagination. 
 
As I said above, unless there is a proof that Green Light can affect the Darkness, Hal will be having a difficult time catching up with Jackie and can very well lose some major juice in his ring thus, making him very vulnerable. 

#21 Posted by OmegaDynasty (9190 posts) - - Show Bio
@IcePrince_X said:
"The Power of the Darkness is equal to a god - creation among its most power feats and limited only to its host's imagination.  As I said above, unless there is a proof that Green Light can affect the Darkness, Hal will be having a difficult time catching up with Jackie and can very well lose some major juice in his ring thus, making him very vulnerable.  "

That is what I was asking. GEB= Great Evil Beast which the Spectre fought and got his ass kicked.
#22 Posted by Ferro Vida (34678 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach said:
" @the darknessss: Then Hall will die screaming pure and simple. At his highest power, then Estacado's mind becomes inconsequential as he is nothing more then a physical vessel of the primordial incarnation of the dynamic forces of chaos and absence of light. A being that was created when God separated light from from Darkness by uttering "Let there be Light!" and that is so powerful that going full out he can shake the foundations of the universe and thus adheres to self-imposed labyrinthine rules to ensure the universe survives his battle with his opposite, the Light (also known as the Angelus Force), Kyle is an insect compared to the Darkness at full power. "

#23 Posted by FinalStar86 (8681 posts) - - Show Bio
@Ferro Vida said:
" @Crom-Cruach said:
" @the darknessss: Then Hall will die screaming pure and simple. At his highest power, then Estacado's mind becomes inconsequential as he is nothing more then a physical vessel of the primordial incarnation of the dynamic forces of chaos and absence of light. A being that was created when God separated light from from Darkness by uttering "Let there be Light!" and that is so powerful that going full out he can shake the foundations of the universe and thus adheres to self-imposed labyrinthine rules to ensure the universe survives his battle with his opposite, the Light (also known as the Angelus Force), Kyle is an insect compared to the Darkness at full power. "

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Damn, I need to buy some Darkness comics. that looks badass
#24 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

Meh Top Cow. 
 
The Darkness will fear Green Lantern's light.  Kyle closes black holes in the morning, splits atoms in the afternoon and moves moons around in the evening. 
 
 
Scans of the Darkness opperating in the light?  Because Kyle's got a lot of that.

#25 Posted by Precise (22886 posts) - - Show Bio

As said before, Jackie could simply use the darkness inside a human body. Wetter or not the protective aura of a Green Lantern would protect him from that can be argued, but i doubt it. 

#26 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8854 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom:  At full power, Hal wouldn't even be able to do anything more then annoy him, again the Darkness is one full half primordial incarnation of the universe. Hal is a non factor in that case, he'll die, screaming... 
@Ferro Vida:  Yeah, that scene was awesome.
@OmegaDynasty:  I'm not familiar with the GEB much, but the best way to explain what the Darkness is the concept of Chaos and Darkness versus Order and Light
The Darkness is the metaphysical, sentient incarnation of Chaos and Darkness
The Angelus is the metaphysical, sentient incarnation of Order and Light
#27 Posted by IcePrince_X (4865 posts) - - Show Bio

The Darkness is capable in working at daylight granting it is not the same light as that of the sun.  
In one of its incarnated host, the Darkness was able to take over the faerie kingdom in broad daylight since the sunlight of the faerie world is different from the human world. Fortunately for the faerie world Medieval Spawn and Medieval Witchblade "Katarina" was able to stop him. 
 
Put in mind, when Hal and the Witchblade met in the JLA /Witchblade crossover, Hal was defeated at first strike. I assume that the power of the Darkness is far more lethal specially the one wielding it is a killer.

#28 Posted by Fist_of_Mandalore (1879 posts) - - Show Bio
@IcePrince_X: Yes, the Darkness is much more powerful than the Witchblade. As Crom said the only thing that can resist the Darkness at full power is the Angelus. 
@Zoom:
 Haha, your a funny guy. Hal closes black holes that awesome. Well, how about this. The darkness, is half of what make sup the entire fucking universe...lol. Darkness wins.
#29 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

Why did the OP change which character Darkness is fighting?
#30 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio
@IcePrince_X said:
"Put in mind, when Hal and the Witchblade met in the JLA /Witchblade crossover, Hal was defeated at first strike. I assume that the power of the Darkness is far more lethal specially the one wielding it is a killer. "

Lol.
 

 
 
 
Please.  There are dozens of scans of the Darkness visably weakening in the sunlight or saying that he's more powerful at night or getting hurt by light blasts. 
 
Green Lantern wields extreme light and while Jackie may be bulletproof, Kyle Rayner is nuke proof. 
 
There's a reason Darkness fights mobsters while Green Lantern saves galaxies. 
 
Unless the Darkness has gotten huge power ups since early in his series (which is frankly, mediocre at best), I don't see how the Darkness is supposed to even hold a candle to Green Lantern's light.
#31 Posted by the darknessss (2750 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom:
Because the first picture of lantern wasnt hal,but i said hal in the battle.:-)
#32 Posted by NexusOfLight (1715 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom: Jackie's only real "power ups" are realizing the Darkness's potential. His only weakness is his imagination, and throughout the series, someone is always telling him that. The Darkness itself should be able to take on anything a Green Lantern can put out. That's how it was established in Top Cow's universe. Jackie, on the other hand, is just a man who wields wields that power. The reason he fights mobsters is because he's not thinking outside of the box. He's not thinking big. He's only going after money. Lately, he's started going after slightly bigger things, but he's still only looking for riches like a mobster would. If the Darkness were given to someone like Lex Luthor or Dr. Doom, then we'd have a universal for real.
#33 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8854 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom:  No because Jackie Estacado is not the Darkness at full power. Normal Jackie is a piddling compared to the real Darkness (the one the OP is using). The power the Darkness has over light depends on his power level. but the Darkness (the primordial entity) can only be stopped by the Angelus.
 
@NexusOfLight: It's also a lot because the Darkness is petty and cruel, he takes Jackie's power away all the time, weakens him  or boosts him when he finds it appropriate. This will always make a difference. Normal Jackie Estacado Darkness avatar has trouble in direct sunlight. Primordial Darkness entity swallows all light except the Angelus.
 
the Darkness murders Hal that's it.
#34 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the OPer just misunderstood your question because the OP says Hal is trying to bring Jackie in. 
 
The power level you're attributing to the Darkness is not the power level of the character that's actually in this fight.  It'd be like if I used Ion feats and called them Green Lantern feats.

#35 Posted by Precise (22886 posts) - - Show Bio

 Jackie can manipulate the darkness inside a body as well, nothing GL can do about it.
#36 Posted by Notasoccerstar09 (24 posts) - - Show Bio

Hal 
 
he could take the fight into space then fight him there since the sun would affect darkness 
 
also didnt gl reignite the sun so whats keeping hal from stopping the darkness?

#37 Posted by Fortanono (4889 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkness. Spite.

#38 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8854 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom:  Read whole the thread before making such a comment. I asked what power level, OP answered Darkness at full power, hence the Darkness entity. Hence why Darkness will curbstomp. 
 
Don't comment if you won't bother to read the whole thread.
#39 Posted by theiconic (924 posts) - - Show Bio
@FinalStar86: u said it!
#40 Edited by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach said:

" @Zoom:  Read whole the thread before making such a comment. I asked what power level, OP answered Darkness at full power, hence the Darkness entity. Hence why Darkness will curbstomp.   Don't comment if you won't bother to read the whole thread. "


I did read the whole thread, I just have better reading comprehension skills than you do.
 
Jackie often goes by "the Darkness."  The OP said this was Jackie.  You asked what power level "the Darkness" was at and he said full.  That implies full powered Jackie, not full powered the Darkness Entity. 
 
@Precise 
 
Argueable, since Green Lantern rings regulate their user's vitals and protect them.  This is why GLs have force fields up constantly and can breathe in space.  The ring would absolutely detect the Darkness trying to use darkness inside of Hal.  Whether it could then do something about it is questionable but frankly, I think Hal would smack Jackie in the face with a giant green hammer hard enough to reduce this as an option all together.
#41 Posted by Precise (22886 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom: That all depends on who gets the first hit. And while the ring protect the bearer with a skintight aura from the outside, it doesn't nescecarily mean it'll also protect the inside.
#42 Edited by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

Indeed. 
 
While it is true that Hal doesn't have internal force fields, he does have internal regulation.  He's not passively protected but he's passively aware which means he may be able to actively protect himself.  I don't see what Jackie is supposed to do against a green lantern contstruct.  We've seen him hurt by a lot less. 
 
I also think that any Green Lantern worth his salt is faster than the Darkness.  They fly around at hundreds of mph shooting lasers from their rings.  I haven't seen any reason to believe than the Darkness has superhuman speed or even reflexes that are all that good, though you're more than welcome to try to prove me wrong.

#43 Posted by the darknessss (2750 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom:
a full powered jackie?? jackie is the darkness holder at this time so a full powered darkness/jackie is as one as i stated when asked by crom-cruach on page 1 of this thread.jackie alone is not really a match to green lantern now so hes at full power {as in darkness jackie} to stop any confusion.
#44 Posted by Precise (22886 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom:  I don't know, flightspeed isn't the same as reaction speed though. Jackie has dodged bullets before. Anyway, this fight is at night. Jackie won't fight alone here, he can summon a whole range of darklings ranging from the little gobblins to the very large dragon like monsters. Who's to say Hal (or whatever Green Lantern) won't attack the darklings first granting Jackie more than enough time to execute the little move I showed earlier.
#45 Posted by Sasuke (397 posts) - - Show Bio

I say GL
#46 Edited by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio
@the darknessss said:

"@Zoom: a full powered jackie?? jackie is the darkness holder at this time so a full powered darkness/jackie is as one as i stated when asked by crom-cruach on page 1 of this thread.jackie alone is not really a match to green lantern now so hes at full power {as in darkness jackie} to stop any confusion. "


That...doesn't make any sense.  Which is another reason I think you're confused. 
 
Jackie at full power would be as strong as Jackie has ever been in any given comic.  Crom is throwing out things like the Darkness force being essentially half of god which is great and all but there's a huge difference between Jackie Estacado, avatar of the Darkness and the entire Darkness force.
#47 Posted by the darknessss (2750 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom:
the full power thing is jackie in darkness form to the max of what we has seen in the comics,yeah i get what your saying though.:-)
#48 Edited by NexusOfLight (1715 posts) - - Show Bio

Actually, a full powered Jackie/Darkness has been seen in the comics. Darkness #75. It was all about Jackie being ruler of the world. Darkness finally defeating the light. Post-Apocalypse.

#49 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

So a future non cannon version of the character?  Forgive me but that doesn't sound relevant to this battle.
#50 Posted by the darknessss (2750 posts) - - Show Bio
@NexusOfLight:
very true,i have that one,but its only a possible future so i cant really use it here,has to be a jackie/darkness that happend where jackie was at his most powerful in real time issues past,,,that version of the darkness in the future would beat hal pretty easy imo.