#1 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

The Citadel made contact with the Covenant, and the Covenant are not friendly.

Full scale war is waged over Planets, Space, and Tech.

The whole Covenant Race and their Tech/Weapons/Troops/Vehicles/ect.

Vs

The Citadel Species (Human, Salarian, Asari, Turian) Tech?Weapons/Vehicles/ect.

Who should win this war?

#2 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

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#3 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: only those species you mentioned or the other ones too? like Elcor, Volus, Hanar, etc...

#4 Posted by JediXMan (31251 posts) - - Show Bio
@jorgevy said:

@cadencev2: only those species you mentioned or the other ones too? like Elcor, Volus, Hanar, etc...

In that case, the Elcor would solo.

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#5 Posted by Saren (26027 posts) - - Show Bio

The only Council species are the asari, turians, salarians and humans.

@jedixman said:
@jorgevy said:

@cadencev2: only those species you mentioned or the other ones too? like Elcor, Volus, Hanar, etc...

In that case, the Elcor would solo.

What's so special about the Elcor?

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#6 Edited by JediXMan (31251 posts) - - Show Bio

The only Council species are the asari, turians, salarians and humans.

@jedixman said:
@jorgevy said:

@cadencev2: only those species you mentioned or the other ones too? like Elcor, Volus, Hanar, etc...

In that case, the Elcor would solo.

What's so special about the Elcor?

The Elcor, man! They're living tanks!

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#7 Edited by Saren (26027 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman said:

@citizenbane said:

The only Council species are the asari, turians, salarians and humans.

@jedixman said:
@jorgevy said:

@cadencev2: only those species you mentioned or the other ones too? like Elcor, Volus, Hanar, etc...

In that case, the Elcor would solo.

What's so special about the Elcor?

The Elcor, man! They're living tanks!

Must be slow as hell, though.

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#8 Edited by JediXMan (31251 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman said:

@citizenbane said:

The only Council species are the asari, turians, salarians and humans.

@jedixman said:
@jorgevy said:

@cadencev2: only those species you mentioned or the other ones too? like Elcor, Volus, Hanar, etc...

In that case, the Elcor would solo.

What's so special about the Elcor?

The Elcor, man! They're living tanks!

Must be slow as hell, though.

You don't know that. We've never seen them walk; and look at that rotation speed at 0:02! That guy, who was just a diplomat, rotated faster than real life tanks! They could be lightning fast for all we know.

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#9 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@jorgevy: Only listed Species. The Council Species. Elcor, Batarians, Qaurian, Volvus, Krogan, ect are all Species but not Council Species. Only the main 4 that sit on the Council.

#10 Posted by KenbuKaiten (20 posts) - - Show Bio

Convenant ships are a bit better since they can nuke worlds and don't need mass relays to go into hyperspace. The Biotics may win ground fights though

I'll say space warfare covenant, any ground fights the citadel

#11 Edited by thefusescape (190 posts) - - Show Bio

The grunts are suicide bombers. And what type of numbers are we looking at here? Trillions of Covenant vs ? citadels.

#12 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

Convenant ships are a bit better since they can nuke worlds and don't need mass relays to go into hyperspace. The Biotics may win ground fights though

I'll say space warfare covenant, any ground fights the citadel

Little info on Ships in ME.

Ship combat

FTL and Thrusters

Thanix Cannons

GARDIAN weapon systems

Shields and Armor

Ships Types

Carriers

Crusisers

Fighters

Dreadnought Weapon Devastation

This is cool. The Dreadnoughts can can fire every 5 seconds a 3 time the Hiroshima Bomb Projectile at 1.3 Times the Speed of Light.

#13 Posted by Saren (26027 posts) - - Show Bio
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#14 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
#15 Posted by Saren (26027 posts) - - Show Bio

..... well that makes no sense at all.

At 1 percent Light Speed would be so slow that the momentum yielding 3 Hiroshima Bombs is impossible..... it makes no sense there.

That is like Hyper Sonic only. WTH kind of math to Megaton Yield crap is that?

It defies logic.....

Whatever.

1.3 percent of light speed is over Mach 11452. Well beyond the speed of sound.

I'm not sure lightspeed projectiles of that size even exist in the Mass Effect universe. The only thing I can think of is the Illusive Man's story about how a now-extinct race killed the Mnemosyne Reaper by firing a mass accelerator round through it at lightspeed. In the current cycle, I don't think anyone was using lightspeed nuclear-grade armaments.

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#16 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane: Yeah I remember that and Illusive Man thought that race was Age before theirs.

I must did my match wrong again. I know the fastest recorded lightning Bolt is 1/3 Speed of Light. 1 Percent seems.... very slow to that.

How do comic characters like Batman dodge Lightning attacks again?

Hate BS magic physics.

Anyway, i think the Reapers Laser (not a laser actually) is Liquid Metal propelled at Lightspeeds.

Have to relook that up.

#18 Posted by Juiceboks (10332 posts) - - Show Bio

I honestly think that the Covenant can overrun the Citadel's overall more experienced fighting force based on pure numbers and versatility amongst ground troops. Space combat is a little more evened out but the Covenant ships seem a little more deadly in their weaponry.

#19 Edited by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2 said:

@jorgevy: Only listed Species. The Council Species. Elcor, Batarians, Qaurian, Volvus, Krogan, ect are all Species but not Council Species. Only the main 4 that sit on the Council.

thought you meant Citadel/Embassy species, my bad.

@citizenbane said:

The only Council species are the asari, turians, salarians and humans.

@jedixman said:
@jorgevy said:

@cadencev2: only those species you mentioned or the other ones too? like Elcor, Volus, Hanar, etc...

In that case, the Elcor would solo.

What's so special about the Elcor?

Badassly; the Elcor are living tanks mate!

#20 Posted by KenbuKaiten (20 posts) - - Show Bio

It that seemed kind of ridiculous, the Reapers had more advanced technology than all the fleets in Mass 3 and their ships were casually dodging Reaper projectiles. I stand by my original statement that the Covenant would win in the air and the Citadel species on the ground due to biotics

@jorgevy:I've never ever seen an Elcor in combat, although from what I understand Krogans may be trouble since they can shut off their pain receptors.

I honestly think that the Covenant can overrun the Citadel's overall more experienced fighting force based on pure numbers and versatility amongst ground troops. Space combat is a little more evened out but the Covenant ships seem a little more deadly in their weaponry.

On the ground one major advantage the Covenant have is that their Brutes and Elites are stronger and faster than any of the ME species. It could balance out the advantage they'd have with biotics

#21 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@kenbukaiten: if the Krogans were in this, I'd give this to the Citadel species easily, but unfortunately they are not part of the Council, so they dont count

#22 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

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#23 Posted by GhostofOnyx (656 posts) - - Show Bio

The covenant win in space combat and the citidel species win on the planetary battles. Though even if a ground force were to win a major battle planet side the covenant ships would probably glass/cleanse the entire planet anyway.

#24 Edited by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostofonyx: wouldn't that be like doing a scorched earth tactic against yourself?

#25 Posted by GhostofOnyx (656 posts) - - Show Bio

@jorgevy said:

@ghostofonyx: wouldn't that be like doing a scorched earth tactic against yourself?

Well considering the mass almost infinite amount of apparently never ending supply of grunts that the covenant have ,it wouldn't really make a difference.

#26 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
#27 Posted by Saren (26027 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane said:

I been thinking about this and from what everyone else agrees is that is FTL.

.80 Percent of the Speed of light is 80/100 Speed of Light. 1.3 is Speed of light and the additional 30/100.

Anyway that is how I saw it as well.

Incorrect. 0.80 percent of the speed of light is 0.008 lightspeed. "Percent" literally means "out of 100". If it was "0.8 light speed", then it would mean 80/100 of the speed of light. For example, in the scan below, Genis-Vell is stated to move at "0.8 light". That means he is moving at 80% of the speed of light. If it said "0.8% of light", it means he is moving at 0.008 times the speed of light. The % changes everything.

Math does not change according to anyone's convenience. 1.3 percent of light speed is 0.013 times the speed of light. 1.3 light speed is 130% the speed of light. Big difference.

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#28 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2 said:

@citizenbane said:

I been thinking about this and from what everyone else agrees is that is FTL.

.80 Percent of the Speed of light is 80/100 Speed of Light. 1.3 is Speed of light and the additional 30/100.

Anyway that is how I saw it as well.

Incorrect. 0.80 percent of the speed of light is 0.008 lightspeed. "Percent" literally means "out of 100". If it was "0.8 light speed", then it would mean 80/100 of the speed of light. For example, in the scan below, Genis-Vell is stated to move at "0.8 light". That means he is moving at 80% of the speed of light. If it said "0.8% of light", it means he is moving at 0.008 times the speed of light. The % changes everything.

Math does not change according to anyone's convenience. 1.3 percent of light speed is 0.013 times the speed of light. 1.3 light speed is 130% the speed of light. Big difference.

yeah it clearly says 1.3 percent. so it's just a part of speed of light, not above it. think about it

if it was a projectile going at the speed of light or above, it would have near or infinite mass, and that wouldn't be pretty.

#29 Posted by JediXMan (31251 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane said:

I been thinking about this and from what everyone else agrees is that is FTL.

.80 Percent of the Speed of light is 80/100 Speed of Light. 1.3 is Speed of light and the additional 30/100.

Anyway that is how I saw it as well.

Who is "everyone?" Either you're taking the feat as fact or dismissing the entire exchange as incorrect. You can't have it both ways. It's either the stated 1.3%, or you must discount it. No middle ground.

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#30 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane: Well, that is good to know. I test out of reading and writing but math is just.... confusing.

@jedixman said:
@cadencev2 said:

@citizenbane said:

I been thinking about this and from what everyone else agrees is that is FTL.

.80 Percent of the Speed of light is 80/100 Speed of Light. 1.3 is Speed of light and the additional 30/100.

Anyway that is how I saw it as well.

Who is "everyone?" Either you're taking the feat as fact or dismissing the entire exchange as incorrect. You can't have it both ways. It's either the stated 1.3%, or you must discount it. No middle ground.

Couple guys in my English Comp class.

Also what are you talking about "Either you're taking the feat as fact or dismissing the entire exchange as incorrect."

You lost me there.

#31 Posted by Belroyi (12 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Those guys in your English class are morons, learn math

#32 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@jorgevy: All I need to know in Math is Geometry (Construction) and Decimals/Integers for my Bank Account. I have no use for percents or its wording in word problems. Same with Fractions, never had to use fractions in my life for anything. Ratios sure. fractions.... nope.

Whats funny is one of them tutors. lol.

#33 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: they probably misenterpreted it, happens

#34 Posted by BadVoodoo (381 posts) - - Show Bio

bump for awesomeness