The "Cosmic Avengers" vs. The New Guardians - Battles

#1 Posted by The Gray Fox (1810 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

No BFR, PIS, etc. and, if possible, no Trolls. Who wins?

Quasar, Beta Ray Bill, Gladiator, Nova, The Silver Surfer and Ronan the Accuser.

Saint Bro'dee Walker, Thaal Sinestro, Hal Jordan, Atrocitus, Carol Ferris, Indigo-1 and Larfleeze

#2 Posted by Fortanono (4890 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Cosmic Avengers.

#3 Posted by czarny_samael666 (13851 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

From where is CA pic?

Questions:
1.Can Larfleeze use all of his power?
2.They looked more powerfull than usual, is this true?

My advice: Take ouy Larf. With him L-team should easily win.

#4 Posted by The Average Bear (1992 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Cosmic Avengers

#5 Posted by Morpheus_ (29871 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Rainbow Rodeo, granted that Larfleeze actually uses his power.

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#6 Posted by tensor (3315 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

lanterns only person good on the cosmic avengers is silver surfer

#7 Edited by FinalStar86 (8682 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Larfleeze could solo, even without him the Lanterns would still win, only 2 credible threats on the CA

#8 Posted by czarny_samael666 (13851 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Without Larf and assuming that they aren't more powerfull than usual this should go like that:
Nova will give his friends shields that could protect them (Surfer and Quasar won't need them, Quasar should even give his shields to others) or even share with them some Nova energy. He can go toe to toe with any of this guys.
BRB will give L-person a good fight, but he will lose in final.
Quasar is a beast if we are talking about draining energy. I am not sure how his fight will go.
Gladiator shouldn't defeat any of them if they will know his weakness.
Ronan can only hold his opponent, to give Surfer time to defeat his. Current Surfer will defeat any of this 6 L-team and then win with Ronan's opponent.
Fight depends on couple things:

-How much time Ronan (with Nova's shields) can give Surfer.
-What Worldmind will advice to Rider.
-How fast Gladiator will lose his confidence.
-How good is Quasar's energy absorbtion.

I think that Quasar should be good enough to drain his opponent. To defeat Surfer L-team will need more two or even three L-guys at once. Other three can't even hold Gladiator, BRB, Nova, Quasar and Ronan. Two of them should be able to help SS what will give their team a win.

Of course with Larfleeze L-Team will win easily.

#9 Posted by Sexy Merc (41965 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

The New Guardians for the win.

#10 Edited by FinalStar86 (8682 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@czarny_samael said:

"
Without Larf and assuming that they aren't more powerfull than usual this should go like that:
Nova will give his friends shields that could protect them (Surfer and Quasar won't need them, Quasar should even give his shields to others) or even share with them some Nova energy. He can go toe to toe with any of this guys.
BRB will give L-person a good fight, but he will lose in final.
Quasar is a beast if we are talking about draining energy. I am not sure how his fight will go.
Gladiator shouldn't defeat any of them if they will know his weakness.
Ronan can only hold his opponent, to give Surfer time to defeat his. Current Surfer will defeat any of this 6 L-team and then win with Ronan's opponent.
Fight depends on couple things:

-How much time Ronan (with Nova's shields) can give Surfer.
-What Worldmind will advice to Rider.
-How fast Gladiator will lose his confidence.
-How good is Quasar's energy absorbtion.

I think that Quasar should be good enough to drain his opponent. To defeat Surfer L-team will need more two or even three L-guys at once. Other three can't even hold Gladiator, BRB, Nova, Quasar and Ronan. Two of them should be able to help SS what will give their team a win.

Of course with Larfleeze L-Team will win easily. "

They don't need Larz,

Hal and Saint Walker could take out the majority of them alone, probably take out Surfer
Hal and Sinestro can take out any except Surfer out individually, so could Carol. Anyone can take out Ronan
I doubt the Worldmind would help Nova on an unknown object like a ring, even if it did have info there is nothing he can do about it

Basically 2 credible threats and 4 useless deadweights on the CA. That's why they lose

BTW Ronan is absolutely useless in this fight

#11 Posted by FinalStar86 (8682 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Oh $hit I forget about Indigo also, Lanterns absolutely stomp now

#12 Posted by ForbushBug (496 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Carol's costume... or lack thereof... distracts the Cosmic Avengers, leading to a sweeping victory by the Rainbow Coalition. Afterward, Dex-Starr with the run in and he eats Beta Ray Bill because he thinks he's some kind of space chicken.

#13 Posted by FinalStar86 (8682 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@ForbushBug: LOL

#14 Edited by FinalStar86 (8682 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

In all seriousness though I can see Saint Walker turning Gladiator Quasar and Nova back into children, I don't see how Ronan would be a threat to anyone here unless he got some sort of upgrade since his Annhilation tie in. Its basically Quasar Bill and Surfer vs the NG, Hal and Thaal can take Surfer, Carol alone could take Bill, the rest pick up the stragglers

#15 Posted by czarny_samael666 (13851 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@FinalStar86 :
1.Worldmind know nothing about his opponents, but he know his temamates. He should sense they big power and give time his team to think. Making a big shields agianst big threat isn't anything new for them (remember what Nova did when Galactus attack and what his brother did to Stronian, Glad's couisn). And I don't think that NG can break his shields if G's rage and Sphinx couldn't overpower him (I am not saying that Sphinx had big problems with Nova, but I am saying that Nova hold him for some time). Also he know Gladiator's weakness and he can boost confidence of his teammates. Giving him a percent of NF will be enough to make such a boost. This shields are NG's bigger problem than Surfer or BRB. It will take them long time to break them, let alone thier opponents durability. Without them, Ronan will go down after first minute and Gladiator will lose his confidence and go down in common time.
2.Ronan isn't useless, he is just a cannon fodder, which means that he can give some help one of his teammates (by distraciotn their enemies for example). He is weak. He will go down fast, but with this shields he will do better than just go down by one shot. He can't really damage any New Guardian, but they still need one person who will fight with him.
3.Surfer can take anyone from them (of course that I am still talking about 6 people from DC team) individually, so they need to give him two opponents for better fight. But with Ronan distraction, Surfer should be able to win it.
4.Nova is powerfull, WM just don't give him access to all power too often (and he is right about that), but when they see a big threat, like Galactus, Sphinx or Ego he allowed him to do big things. He can fight with anyone here if he can use all of his power and he has 50% ftw in such a battle.
5.So DC will have three guys on thier side vs. Gladiator, BRB and Quasar (all with very powerfull shields). With shields, L-guys will have big problem to defeat them, but Marvel guys can hurt them, a specially Quasar. Thanks to his energy absorbtion Marvel should win it. And they didn't even use all Surfer's or Stormbreaker abilities.

#16 Edited by FinalStar86 (8682 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@czarny_samael:
1. World mind can make as many shields as it wants, Lantern's can make intangible energy twins that will pass right through their shields and explode in their faces. Also, the CA have no defense against SW time and reality warping.
2. That is exactly what he is, useless and being cannon fodder only buys CA a few extra seconds before their inevitable defeat
3. Surfer won't be able to take 2 at a time and Ronan isn't going to turn the tides in his favor, like it or not, he is useless
4. Nova is powerful, just not as powerful as any of these Lanterns are, and again Saint Walker could just de age him or erase him out of existence in general
5. So DC will have 3 guys on their side vs Quasar BRB and Gladiator..not exactly...Hal Carol Sinestro or Atroc alone can take out Gladiator and Bill, and as long as Saint Walker can take Gladiator Bill and Quasar out by himself.

Even without Larz, 4 of the Lanterns here can solo Bill and Gladiator, one of the Lanterns can warp time and reality. One of the Lanterns can turn the CA own energy against them.
vs....
Quasar, Surfer, 2 flying bricks, a guy that has might not access his full power, and a deadweight

I think anyone can see this is a spite thread in favor of the NG

#17 Posted by Lance Uppercut (23245 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Larfleeze solos

#18 Edited by The Gray Fox (1810 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@FinalStar86 said:

"I think anyone can see this is a spite thread in favor of the NG "

Hey! This isn't a spite thread. Do I look like rbystji to you? No. I just forgot how powerful Larfleeze is in comparison to everyone else and...about what happens when a Green and Blue Lantern Ring are within range of each other and...what an Indigo Lantern can do with a coral staff. Okay, so I forgot a couple of major things, big $%^#ing whoop! That doesn't make this a sprite thread, its just one big mishap.

#19 Posted by NexusOfLight (1715 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Wow, no love for Ronan? Isn't he a planet buster?

#20 Posted by FinalStar86 (8682 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@The Gray Fox said:

" @FinalStar86 said:
"I think anyone can see this is a spite thread in favor of the NG "

Hey! This isn't a spite thread. Do I look like rbystji to you? No. I just forgot how powerful Larfleeze is in comparison to everyone else and...about what happens when a Green and Blue Lantern Ring are within range of each other and...what an Indigo Lantern can do with a coral staff. Okay, so I forgot a couple of major things, big $%^#ing whoop! That doesn't make this a sprite thread, its just one big mishap. "

I didn't say it was intentional spite but come on, even without Larz the NG stomp, too many dead weights on the CA and too much power and versatility on the NG team

#21 Posted by FinalStar86 (8682 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@NexusOfLight said:

" Wow, no love for Ronan? Isn't he a planet buster? "

Heck no, even Gamora gave him a good fight in his Annhilation tie in

#22 Edited by NexusOfLight (1715 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@FinalStar86 said:

" @NexusOfLight said:
" Wow, no love for Ronan? Isn't he a planet buster? "
Heck no, even Gamora gave him a good fight in his Annhilation tie in "

Really? I'm pretty sure I recall him breaking something big in his Annihilation tie in. Something about him using the upper limits of his hammer thing, I'll have to check.

[EDIT] Looks like I was mistaken. After skimming through it, I found that his threat level was only marked at city. You're right. Still think I saw him destroying something big. Must be thinking of someone else I guess.

#23 Posted by Sexy Merc (41965 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Being a planet buster wouldn't even matter to most of, if not all the New Guardians.

#24 Edited by NexusOfLight (1715 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Sexy Merc said:

" Being a planet buster wouldn't even matter to most of, if not all the New Guardians. "

I realize that. I just always considered him to be something more than a deadweight.

#25 Posted by GreenLantern555 (2218 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Even without Larfleeze The Lanterns take this. Too much power. And WITH Larfleeze it's a blood bath. ;-)

#26 Posted by emperorvulcan432 (226 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

cosmic avengers

#27 Posted by FinalStar86 (8682 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@emperorvulcan432 said:

" cosmic avengers "

Lose badly

#28 Posted by RiseofApocalypse (3990 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Larfleeze solos.

#29 Posted by czarny_samael666 (13851 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@FinalStar86 said:

" @czarny_samael: 1. World mind can make as many shields as it wants, Lantern's can make intangible energy twins that will pass right through their shields and explode in their faces. "

Some scans? It is probably most important thing in this battle.
About other points, You realize that in my scenario Ronan and others had this shields?

#30 Posted by FinalStar86 (8682 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@czarny_samael: Scans of what? Saint Walkers reality warping? Read Rage of the Red Lanterns when the turn a dying star blue by turning time back 6 billion years, as long as he is with a Green Lantern, Walker can potentially solo this fight, and shields dont protect from time and reality warping

#31 Posted by slacker the hacker (7615 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

The new guardians would win in a fight but for badass team picture......................

#32 Posted by rezairondroid (18 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

L.O.L ,Absolutely

Cosmic Avengers ..they truly strongest ever :D

#33 Posted by Needlebay (1871 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

New Guardians.

#34 Posted by Illuminatus (9303 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@rezairondroid said:

L.O.L ,Absolutely
Cosmic Avengers ..they truly strongest ever :D

Nope.

#35 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Needlebay said:

New Guardians.

#36 Posted by dondave (7563 posts) - 5 months, 19 days ago - Show Bio

bump

#37 Posted by whydama (1093 posts) - 5 months, 18 days ago - Show Bio

It all boils down to the Surfer. If he sun dips, then team wins. If not, wins for the Lanterns.

BTW Does the presence of a blue ring automatically drain yellow rings or does the bearer have to let it?

#38 Posted by Blacharrt1 (383 posts) - 5 months, 18 days ago - Show Bio

Guardians, if Quasar can suck energy from all of his teammates before a nanosecond without them knowing, or stealing powers from the Silver Surfer without him knowing it, I seriously doubt the Lanterns even with Larfleeze stand a chance against him. His and Silver Surfer Energy Absorption is above anything the lanterns could handle.

Also SS can easily reverse any temporal or celluar manipulation.

So i give it to the Guardians.

#39 Edited by Squalleon (1026 posts) - 5 months, 18 days ago - Show Bio

Larfleeze solo!

Larfleeze = entire corp

even if he can't

Hal Jordan power ups due to walker and indigo 1 (she can use the blue light)

Walker power ups due to Hal Jordan and Indigo 1

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#40 Posted by Squalleon (1026 posts) - 5 months, 18 days ago - Show Bio

@whydama said:

It all boils down to the Surfer. If he sun dips, then team wins. If not, wins for the Lanterns.
BTW Does the presence of a blue ring automatically drain yellow rings or does the bearer have to let it?

bearer have to let it,same with the green power up

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#41 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (2624 posts) - 5 months, 18 days ago - Show Bio

SS can take out half that team by himself. Cosmic Avengers win

#42 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (2521 posts) - 5 months, 18 days ago - Show Bio

It's a toss up to me, the CA will work as a team to attack the NG's who don't really work that well together. SS and Quasar can power drain or shield the others, Worldmind can provide link and strategy. The threats are LF and Sinestro, rings can be drained but I dont know about a whole battery ( Larfleeze).

#43 Edited by Ferdelance (2320 posts) - 5 months, 18 days ago - Show Bio

Annihilators win,Surfer and Quasar win via energy absorption of the lantern's rings .

#44 Posted by Dark Cloud™ (1410 posts) - 5 months, 18 days ago - Show Bio

I don't know, that's a lot of Lanterns. But, then again, Cosmic Avengers have a few awfully powerful energy manipulators who can do just about everything a Lantern can. This is a difficult choice for me, considering I love both the Annihilators (Cosmic Avengers) and the Lanterns. I'll hold out on my choosing.