The Champion vs. Juggernaut

Round 2 &3 go to Juggs, #1 is down to how far away they start from each over, too much momentum and Champ dont stand a chance. But with power gem id say champion would stomp all.

The Champion wins all three rounds.

The weakest Juggernaut so far is Colossus. Classic was fighting abstracts which even Champion with the Power Gem can not do. And when it comes to dying, Juggernaut can't die, so the only real way Champion with or without Power Gem can beat Juggernaut is by BFR. However, this battle doesn't allow that so Juggernaut Cain should win eventually. Also, it's probably fair if you give Champion the Power Gem anyway since Classic Juggernaut has a huge array of powers and magic spells.

dont underrate The Champion. He is a five billion year old god who smashed beta ray bill, adam warlock and the silver surfer. He has also destroyed multiple planets. one that was lifeless and one just as collateral damage in a fight with Thanos. (Thanos that destroyed the Avengers like they were children when they first fought)

also The Champion is completely invulnerable to physical harm. You have to have power to disperse at the molecular level to hurt him and even if you do death closed her realm off to him so he literally... can't die. it isn't allowed lol.

Juggernaut too can't die because of his power source of the Crimson Cosmos. He only can use 12% of it's physical aspect and yet, Oblivion who surpasses Death can't deal with the Juggernaut. Anyway, Champion without the Power Gem will lose really badly against a serious Juggernaut. Champion (w/o power gem) is limited to channeling the Power Premordial to his physical body. Juggernaut has unlimited power that remains constant and depending on the consistency of his mood and obedience to Cyttorak, that power only gets stronger and more powerful. Champion had aid of the Power Gem to bust the planet Tamarata and Juggernaut busted holes in the multiversal continuum with only 12% of the physical aspect of the Crimson Cosmos. The Champion is not going to win here by the rules the OP had applied.

There's only two ways to beat Juggernaut. BFR or mental control via a very powerful and experienced psychic.

The psychic HAS to be experienced enough to bypass the mental abyss of the Crimson Cosmos. This means that the mental infiltrator HAS to stay within the limits of Juggernaut's HUMAN CONSCIOUS and not venture into the path that leads out into the Crimson Cosmos. If the mental infiltrator ventures into the Crimson Cosmos side of the Juggernaut's mind, that person will be lost forever. This is something Xavier explains when he was trying to help Juggernaut from his coma.

he has 5 billion years of experience lol. and with the power gem Champion wins. He can beat Juggernaut though it might be tough it is possible. with the power gem Juggernaut can not possibly defeat the champion. i agree though that without the gem he loses. op did not say he couldn't have his gem though so Champion wins. Juggernaut is impressive but Champion has mastered THOUSANDS of martial arts from all over the universe. also the OP doesn't state that Champion can't where the gem on is brow. if he wears it on his brow his strength is technically limitless and it is said he can break any barrier or lift any object.

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

There's only two ways to beat Juggernaut. BFR or mental control via a very powerful and experienced psychic.

The psychic HAS to be experienced enough to bypass the mental abyss of the Crimson Cosmos. This means that the mental infiltrator HAS to stay within the limits of Juggernaut's HUMAN CONSCIOUS and not venture into the path that leads out into the Crimson Cosmos. If the mental infiltrator ventures into the Crimson Cosmos side of the Juggernaut's mind, that person will be lost forever. This is something Xavier explains when he was trying to help Juggernaut from his coma.

the only way to beat The Champion is with molecular dispersion.

In contrast, Champion WITHOUT the Power Gem is able to be physically beaten.

He may not die, but he can be smashed enough to receive broken bones and bruises. Thing fought Champion (w/o the Power Gem) once and managed to break his ribs. Even She-Hulk managed to plummet Champion when he decided to fight her without the Power Gem. Albeit, he can gradually heal from these injuries via channeling more of the Premordail powers, Juggernaut can't be physically injured period without a) being depowered by Cyttorak or ultra super magic which he needs his forcefield to protect himself against. Yes, granted Champion is a much better fighter than Juggernuat, but be it may, Thor is too, and even the skills of Thor can't man handle Juggernaut in close quarters combat.

@IKnowEverything said:

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

There's only two ways to beat Juggernaut. BFR or mental control via a very powerful and experienced psychic.

The psychic HAS to be experienced enough to bypass the mental abyss of the Crimson Cosmos. This means that the mental infiltrator HAS to stay within the limits of Juggernaut's HUMAN CONSCIOUS and not venture into the path that leads out into the Crimson Cosmos. If the mental infiltrator ventures into the Crimson Cosmos side of the Juggernaut's mind, that person will be lost forever. This is something Xavier explains when he was trying to help Juggernaut from his coma.

the only way to beat The Champion is with molecular dispersion.

That's the problem. Juggernaut can....

He's magical and thus is a defiance to physical reality. (Atomic building blocks of the physical universe). He could shrink Champion if he so wishes just like he did to Nightmare when Nightmare was as big as a planet.

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

In contrast, Champion WITHOUT the Power Gem is able to be physically beaten.

He may not die, but he can be smashed enough to receive broken bones and bruises. Thing fought Champion (w/o the Power Gem) once and managed to break his ribs. Even She-Hulk managed to plummet Champion when he decided to fight her without the Power Gem. Albeit, he can gradually heal from these injuries via channeling more of the Premordail powers, Juggernaut can't be physically injured period without a) being depowered by Cyttorak or ultra super magic which he needs his forcefield to protect himself against. Yes, granted Champion is a much better fighter than Juggernuat, but be it may, Thor is too, and even the skills of Thor can't man handle Juggernaut in close quarters combat.

again... if he doesn't have the gem then this is accurate... but that isn't in the op. it isn't stated. if he has the gem he wins for the reasons i previously stated. at the very worst it is a stalemate because they can neither kill the other... but again juggernaut can be damaged physically but the Champion can not.

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

@IKnowEverything said:

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

There's only two ways to beat Juggernaut. BFR or mental control via a very powerful and experienced psychic.

The psychic HAS to be experienced enough to bypass the mental abyss of the Crimson Cosmos. This means that the mental infiltrator HAS to stay within the limits of Juggernaut's HUMAN CONSCIOUS and not venture into the path that leads out into the Crimson Cosmos. If the mental infiltrator ventures into the Crimson Cosmos side of the Juggernaut's mind, that person will be lost forever. This is something Xavier explains when he was trying to help Juggernaut from his coma.

the only way to beat The Champion is with molecular dispersion.

That's the problem. Juggernaut can....

He's magical and thus is a defiance to physical reality. (Atomic building blocks of the physical universe). He could shrink Champion if he so wishes just like he did to Nightmare when Nightmare was as big as a planet.

that isn't molecular dispersion so it won't work. its not magic that he is weak against. just molecular dispersion.

@MisterWhisper said:

@IKnowEverything: No power gem, means Champion gets pummeled. With the power gem he stalemate.

agreed if he doesn't have the gem. he has better feats and stats then jugs with the gem however. he is a 5 billion year old god who can't be so much as bruised by any character in comics. he can't be killed because death is terrified of him and he has learned thousands of different martial arts from across the universe. he also has limitless physical strength. can lift ANYTHING and break ANY barrier. Juggernaut is astoundingly powerful but he does not have limitless strength. this is not a stalemate. he may not be able to kill juggernaut but juggernaut can't even mess up the champions hair.

@IKnowEverything said:

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

In contrast, Champion WITHOUT the Power Gem is able to be physically beaten.

He may not die, but he can be smashed enough to receive broken bones and bruises. Thing fought Champion (w/o the Power Gem) once and managed to break his ribs. Even She-Hulk managed to plummet Champion when he decided to fight her without the Power Gem. Albeit, he can gradually heal from these injuries via channeling more of the Premordail powers, Juggernaut can't be physically injured period without a) being depowered by Cyttorak or ultra super magic which he needs his forcefield to protect himself against. Yes, granted Champion is a much better fighter than Juggernuat, but be it may, Thor is too, and even the skills of Thor can't man handle Juggernaut in close quarters combat.

again... if he doesn't have the gem then this is accurate... but that isn't in the op. it isn't stated. if he has the gem he wins for the reasons i previously stated. at the very worst it is a stalemate because they can neither kill the other... but again juggernaut can be damaged physically but the Champion can not.

Ok then a stalemate it shall be then. But in response to the last sentence, Juggernaut can not be physically injured unless he is depowered from his source which only Cyttorak can do... Or, some very powerful magic. And Champion can receive damage (without the Power Gem)

WITH the POWER GEM. Champion may be able to sustain physical damage, but he is still unable to harm the Juggernaut. So if this is the case, and if Juggernaut is handicap from using any other power but his own durability and strength, this could be a stalemate. But keep in mind, Juggernaut's physical attributes can continuously grow. And by continuous I mean from normal Juggernaut to 8th Day and eventually Trion Juggernaut.

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

@IKnowEverything said:

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

In contrast, Champion WITHOUT the Power Gem is able to be physically beaten.

He may not die, but he can be smashed enough to receive broken bones and bruises. Thing fought Champion (w/o the Power Gem) once and managed to break his ribs. Even She-Hulk managed to plummet Champion when he decided to fight her without the Power Gem. Albeit, he can gradually heal from these injuries via channeling more of the Premordail powers, Juggernaut can't be physically injured period without a) being depowered by Cyttorak or ultra super magic which he needs his forcefield to protect himself against. Yes, granted Champion is a much better fighter than Juggernuat, but be it may, Thor is too, and even the skills of Thor can't man handle Juggernaut in close quarters combat.

again... if he doesn't have the gem then this is accurate... but that isn't in the op. it isn't stated. if he has the gem he wins for the reasons i previously stated. at the very worst it is a stalemate because they can neither kill the other... but again juggernaut can be damaged physically but the Champion can not.

Ok then a stalemate it shall be then. But in response to the last sentence, Juggernaut can not be physically injured unless he is depowered from his source which only Cyttorak can do... Or, some very powerful magic. And Champion can receive damage (without the Power Gem)

WITH the POWER GEM. Champion may be able to sustain physical damage, but he is still unable to harm the Juggernaut. So if this is the case, and if Juggernaut is handicap from using any other power but his own durability and strength, this could be a stalemate. But keep in mind, Juggernaut's physical attributes can continuously grow. And by continuous I mean from normal Juggernaut to 8th Day and eventually Trion Juggernaut.

Juggernaut has also had his helmet ripped off by Beast from the xmen...

He was also defeated by Spiderman AFTER his trip to Oblivion. he was trapped in cement for 6 months. so cement can hold the juggernaut for 6 months but the juggernaut can defeat a 5 BILLION year old invincible god. i don't see it. i think juggernaut is not on his level. trion juggernaut is closest.

looking up battles on juggernaut. wow. drained by rogue... defeated by Thor twice.

Ok. I feel pretty secure that he is being overestimated.

@IKnowEverything said:

he has 5 billion years of experience lol. and with the power gem Champion wins. He can beat Juggernaut though it might be tough it is possible. with the power gem Juggernaut can not possibly defeat the champion. i agree though that without the gem he loses. op did not say he couldn't have his gem though so Champion wins. Juggernaut is impressive but Champion has mastered THOUSANDS of martial arts from all over the universe. also the OP doesn't state that Champion can't where the gem on is brow. if he wears it on his brow his strength is technically limitless and it is said he can break any barrier or lift any object.

I give Champion credits for his skills. He is far superior in fighting techniques than Juggernaut is. But Juggernaut doesn't need that. He's fought Thor before and Thor is a master of his own fighting style, but every time he gets close to Juggernaut, he gets knocked out. Thing as well, is also an expert at boxing and wrestling but when he gets close to Juggernaut, he gets knocked out. Colossus is an expert at wrestling and some striking martial arts, but when he gets close to Juggernaut, he gets knocked out. The Juggernaut also has another trick up his sleeve in which he can absorb momentum around him. So if he absorbs momentum from Champion, he can do alot of things to him afterwards. So granted Champion can boost his speed... But the faster he goes, the more momentum Juggernaut takes.

@IKnowEverything said:

@MisterWhisper said:

@IKnowEverything: No power gem, means Champion gets pummeled. With the power gem he stalemate.

agreed if he doesn't have the gem. he has better feats and stats then jugs with the gem however. he is a 5 billion year old god who can't be so much as bruised by any character in comics. he can't be killed because death is terrified of him and he has learned thousands of different martial arts from across the universe. he also has limitless physical strength. can lift ANYTHING and break ANY barrier. Juggernaut is astoundingly powerful but he does not have limitless strength. this is not a stalemate. he may not be able to kill juggernaut but juggernaut can't even mess up the champions hair.

Juggernaut can and has broke every barrier out there. And he too has unlimited strength.

if you take away his power gem in the first and third rounds then...

1. Champion but a good fight

2. Champion Wins. No contest

3. Collossusnaut stomps Champion without ring.

@IKnowEverything said:

looking up battles on juggernaut. wow. drained by rogue... defeated by Thor twice.

Ok. I feel pretty secure that he is being overestimated.

He was never drained by Rogue. She tired and she nearly fried herself trying to absorb his powers.

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

@IKnowEverything said:

he has 5 billion years of experience lol. and with the power gem Champion wins. He can beat Juggernaut though it might be tough it is possible. with the power gem Juggernaut can not possibly defeat the champion. i agree though that without the gem he loses. op did not say he couldn't have his gem though so Champion wins. Juggernaut is impressive but Champion has mastered THOUSANDS of martial arts from all over the universe. also the OP doesn't state that Champion can't where the gem on is brow. if he wears it on his brow his strength is technically limitless and it is said he can break any barrier or lift any object.

I give Champion credits for his skills. He is far superior in fighting techniques than Juggernaut is. But Juggernaut doesn't need that. He's fought Thor before and Thor is a master of his own fighting style, but every time he gets close to Juggernaut, he gets knocked out. Thing as well, is also an expert at boxing and wrestling but when he gets close to Juggernaut, he gets knocked out. Colossus is an expert at wrestling and some striking martial arts, but when he gets close to Juggernaut, he gets knocked out. The Juggernaut also has another trick up his sleeve in which he can absorb momentum around him. So if he absorbs momentum from Champion, he can do alot of things to him afterwards. So granted Champion can boost his speed... But the faster he goes, the more momentum Juggernaut takes.

@IKnowEverything said:

@MisterWhisper said:

@IKnowEverything: No power gem, means Champion gets pummeled. With the power gem he stalemate.

agreed if he doesn't have the gem. he has better feats and stats then jugs with the gem however. he is a 5 billion year old god who can't be so much as bruised by any character in comics. he can't be killed because death is terrified of him and he has learned thousands of different martial arts from across the universe. he also has limitless physical strength. can lift ANYTHING and break ANY barrier. Juggernaut is astoundingly powerful but he does not have limitless strength. this is not a stalemate. he may not be able to kill juggernaut but juggernaut can't even mess up the champions hair.

Juggernaut can and has broke every barrier out there. And he too has unlimited strength.

first part is incorrect. his force-field absorbs inertia. not juggernaut himself. and force-field doesn't work on champion. however you do have great knowledge about juggernaut and I'm not trying to be a jerk. but that whole argument doesnt work because of that. it does work on almost everybody else though.

he does have limitless power once he gets powered by the Gem of Cyttorak so thats true.

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

@IKnowEverything said:

looking up battles on juggernaut. wow. drained by rogue... defeated by Thor twice.

Ok. I feel pretty secure that he is being overestimated.

He was never drained by Rogue. She tired and she nearly fried herself trying to absorb his powers.

well played.

he still got beat by world war hulk the first time they fought. and the second time they fought they stalemated but he got outsmarted by WWH so he lost again. No version of Hulk could come close to beating The Champion when he has the gem.

@DrinkUrPruneJuice77 said:

@IKnowEverything said:

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

@IKnowEverything said:

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

In contrast, Champion WITHOUT the Power Gem is able to be physically beaten.

He may not die, but he can be smashed enough to receive broken bones and bruises. Thing fought Champion (w/o the Power Gem) once and managed to break his ribs. Even She-Hulk managed to plummet Champion when he decided to fight her without the Power Gem. Albeit, he can gradually heal from these injuries via channeling more of the Premordail powers, Juggernaut can't be physically injured period without a) being depowered by Cyttorak or ultra super magic which he needs his forcefield to protect himself against. Yes, granted Champion is a much better fighter than Juggernuat, but be it may, Thor is too, and even the skills of Thor can't man handle Juggernaut in close quarters combat.

again... if he doesn't have the gem then this is accurate... but that isn't in the op. it isn't stated. if he has the gem he wins for the reasons i previously stated. at the very worst it is a stalemate because they can neither kill the other... but again juggernaut can be damaged physically but the Champion can not.

Ok then a stalemate it shall be then. But in response to the last sentence, Juggernaut can not be physically injured unless he is depowered from his source which only Cyttorak can do... Or, some very powerful magic. And Champion can receive damage (without the Power Gem)

WITH the POWER GEM. Champion may be able to sustain physical damage, but he is still unable to harm the Juggernaut. So if this is the case, and if Juggernaut is handicap from using any other power but his own durability and strength, this could be a stalemate. But keep in mind, Juggernaut's physical attributes can continuously grow. And by continuous I mean from normal Juggernaut to 8th Day and eventually Trion Juggernaut.

Juggernaut has also had his helmet ripped off by Beast from the xmen...

He was also defeated by Spiderman AFTER his trip to Oblivion. he was trapped in cement for 6 months. so cement can hold the juggernaut for 6 months but the juggernaut can defeat a 5 BILLION year old invincible god. i don't see it. i think juggernaut is not on his level. trion juggernaut is closest.

What does ripping his helmet off have to do with him losing.. An d what has Champion done except get beat by She-Hulk.

With the power gem it would be a close fight but this is 8th day juggernaut. essentially indestructible.

yeah... but after that Thor opened up a whole to an uninhabited dimension and dropped Juggernaut in it...

Then when they met later Thor did the same thing but dropped him on a meteorite. he had no way off and had to wait to be rescued.

Mjolnir > Juggernaut just on a side note. (for these reasons)

@IKnowEverything said:

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

@IKnowEverything said:

looking up battles on juggernaut. wow. drained by rogue... defeated by Thor twice.

Ok. I feel pretty secure that he is being overestimated.

He was never drained by Rogue. She tired and she nearly fried herself trying to absorb his powers.

well played.

he still got beat by world war hulk the first time they fought. and the second time they fought they stalemated but he got outsmarted by WWH so he lost again. No version of Hulk could come close to beating The Champion when he has the gem.

The 1st time WWH beat Cain Marko he was depowered being a good guy and working with team eXalibur. The 2nd time they fought in that series, Cain Marko demands Cyttorak to give him power to beat the WWH, and transformed into the Original Juggernaut (but not full powered)

8th Day Juggernaut who is basically a serious minded Cain Marko would destroy WWH.

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

@IKnowEverything said:

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

@IKnowEverything said:

looking up battles on juggernaut. wow. drained by rogue... defeated by Thor twice.

Ok. I feel pretty secure that he is being overestimated.

He was never drained by Rogue. She tired and she nearly fried herself trying to absorb his powers.

well played.

he still got beat by world war hulk the first time they fought. and the second time they fought they stalemated but he got outsmarted by WWH so he lost again. No version of Hulk could come close to beating The Champion when he has the gem.

The 1st time WWH beat Cain Marko he was depowered being a good guy and working with team eXalibur. The 2nd time they fought in that series, Cain Marko demands Cyttorak to give him power to beat the WWH, and transformed into the Original Juggernaut (but not full powered)

8th Day Juggernaut who is basically a serious minded Cain Marko would destroy WWH.

thats conjecture... the data is that he lost twice...

@DrinkUrPruneJuice77: What are you talking about... WWH was defeated quickly. That isn't even like a point of debate. It happened

@Floopay said:

@IKnowEverything: @7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: @MisterWhisper:@DrinkUrPruneJuice77: @Nefarious: @XMen1963: @jnw93:

I edited the OP (Just the 3 rounds). However, remember stalemate is not an option, please read the fifth rule (This isn't a new rule I had it in the beginning to prevent stalemates from occuring)

Rules:

1. Win via KO, Incap, or Death

2. No planet busting

3. No BFR

4. Battle has a time limit of 5 days. If you think this battle would last the entire 5 days, then the win goes to who you think would have done the best as a fighter.

5. Battle takes place on an abandoned Earth, they may use the environment to their advantage and anything they can get their hands on as a weapon.

6. They start 50 feet apart in New York City.

7. Choose your winner, state reasons if you want, scans are always welcome and encouraged

Round 1: The Champion vs. Classic Juggernaut (Cain Marko) (Champion has no Power Gem)

Round 2: The Champion vs. 8th Day Juggernaut (Champion has his Power Gem)

Round 3: The Champion vs. Colossusnaut (Champion has no Power Gem)

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Rule 4: Champion is a better fighter...... But once he gets grabbed by the Juggernaut, I don't think he's getting out. But Juggernaut has to be serious though and not joking like he does 80% of the time.

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

@Floopay said:

@IKnowEverything: @7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: @MisterWhisper:@DrinkUrPruneJuice77: @Nefarious: @XMen1963: @jnw93:

I edited the OP (Just the 3 rounds). However, remember stalemate is not an option, please read the fifth rule (This isn't a new rule I had it in the beginning to prevent stalemates from occuring)

Rules:

1. Win via KO, Incap, or Death

2. No planet busting

3. No BFR

4. Battle has a time limit of 5 days. If you think this battle would last the entire 5 days, then the win goes to who you think would have done the best as a fighter.

5. Battle takes place on an abandoned Earth, they may use the environment to their advantage and anything they can get their hands on as a weapon.

6. They start 50 feet apart in New York City.

7. Choose your winner, state reasons if you want, scans are always welcome and encouraged

Round 1: The Champion vs. Classic Juggernaut (Cain Marko) (Champion has no Power Gem)

Round 2: The Champion vs. 8th Day Juggernaut (Champion has his Power Gem)

Round 3: The Champion vs. Colossusnaut (Champion has no Power Gem)

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Rule 4: Champion is a better fighter...... But once he gets grabbed by the Juggernaut, I don't think he's getting out. But Juggernaut has to be serious though and not joking like he does 80% of the time.

Juggernaut is absolutely not strong enough to bear hug Champion like he did Thor. Not even close. They each have limitless power but Champion has WAY more fighting experience and skill... so common sense would dictate that if anything Champion locks up Juggernaut.

They are equal in power and durability... agility seems equal... but technique is way way in Champions favor. the force-field would even things up again but it doesn't work on the Champion so overall... the Champion should win. It seems like common sense if they are peers in every way but technique. Now i have to go to bed... work in the morning... but i have truly enjoyed the debate. i love when they don't turn into insulting. we may just have to agree to disagree though. ill be back tomorrow if this thread is still rolling haha

@DrinkUrPruneJuice77 said:

@IKnowEverything: Juggernaut was about to suffocate thor had it not been for the Exemplars stepping in, and it was them who created the portal I believe.

Also do you have a scan of that fight where thor left Juggs stranded on a meteorite..

i am heading off to bed but no it was Thor that opened the portal. both times. i can get scans tomorrow for ya.

@DrinkUrPruneJuice77 said:

@IKnowEverything: Juggernaut was about to suffocate thor had it not been for the Exemplars stepping in, and it was them who created the portal I believe.

Also do you have a scan of that fight where thor left Juggs stranded on a meteorite..

Thor didn't abandon him in a meteor. He summoned a portal to Limbo which Juggernaut defeated all the population there and became king. He eventually got bored and teleported himself back to Earth. Thor can't beat Juggernaut without BFR. But there is no BFR in this battle.

@IKnowEverything said:

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

@Floopay said:

@IKnowEverything: @7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: @MisterWhisper:@DrinkUrPruneJuice77: @Nefarious: @XMen1963: @jnw93:

I edited the OP (Just the 3 rounds). However, remember stalemate is not an option, please read the fifth rule (This isn't a new rule I had it in the beginning to prevent stalemates from occuring)

Rules:

1. Win via KO, Incap, or Death

2. No planet busting

3. No BFR

4. Battle has a time limit of 5 days. If you think this battle would last the entire 5 days, then the win goes to who you think would have done the best as a fighter.

5. Battle takes place on an abandoned Earth, they may use the environment to their advantage and anything they can get their hands on as a weapon.

6. They start 50 feet apart in New York City.

7. Choose your winner, state reasons if you want, scans are always welcome and encouraged

Round 1: The Champion vs. Classic Juggernaut (Cain Marko) (Champion has no Power Gem)

Round 2: The Champion vs. 8th Day Juggernaut (Champion has his Power Gem)

Round 3: The Champion vs. Colossusnaut (Champion has no Power Gem)

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Rule 4: Champion is a better fighter...... But once he gets grabbed by the Juggernaut, I don't think he's getting out. But Juggernaut has to be serious though and not joking like he does 80% of the time.

Juggernaut is absolutely not strong enough to bear hug Champion like he did Thor. Not even close. They each have limitless power but Champion has WAY more fighting experience and skill... so common sense would dictate that if anything Champion locks up Juggernaut.

They are equal in power and durability... agility seems equal... but technique is way way in Champions favor. the force-field would even things up again but it doesn't work on the Champion so overall... the Champion should win. It seems like common sense if they are peers in every way but technique. Now i have to go to bed... work in the morning... but i have truly enjoyed the debate. i love when they don't turn into insulting. we may just have to agree to disagree though. ill be back tomorrow if this thread is still rolling haha

I have to work to but in the afternoon. I rather work in the morning to save more of the day to myself. It is summer after all. lol

But anywho... I still disagree. Juggernaut does have the strength to hold Champion.

Let's say that Champion does have the Power Gem. He would overwhelm the Juggernaut at 1st because Juggernaut doesn't take anything seriously at all. If Juggernaut finds that the strength that he sets up is not enough, he can just conjure up more strength at an instant. It's just how the character works. If Juggernaut turns serious and begins to hate, he'll even get more powerful continuously and indefinitely. Needless to say, he has all this power and can use it to various effects like stealing momentum, firing blasts out of his hands, firing orbs, growing to into a giant with no limits, shrinking objects, opening portals, walking on air. Champion can't do much when he doesn't have momentum either. Juggernaut could grow 1000 feet tall and then shrink Champion to 1 inch tall and hold him between his pinky and thump for 5 whole days until the battle is over.

@Floopay said:

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: To be fair with the whole Juggernaut has to be serious thing. I see this point made a lot with many different characters. I won't comment on the subject. But you gotta ask, do you think Juggernaut will take this seriously, because if he decides to joke around (which is part of his character, and a bit of a weakness) he might lose the upperhand pretty quickly.

I see this argument a lot with Deadpool (who may be my favorite character when written properly), and though I like Deadpool, if I don't think he'll take the fight seriously enough he might not make it.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

That's true, however, you indicated no BFR allowed. If Juggernaut doesn't take things seriously at the 1st couple of moments, Champion with the Power Gem would slam Juggernaut all over the place..... But it won't do nothing to him. In fact, it's just going to anger Cain which will conjure up more power which equals to to more strength. If Cain's anger becomes hate, he is going to become even more powerful than he was angry.

@Washuchan said:

Juggs FTW...Power up Juggernaut Punch by follow Headcrush, Headcrush, Headcrush Juggernaut wins..Juggernaut walks over to his fallen victim picks up there broken body and laughs at them and says I'm the Juggernaut B**th..!!!!

Oh you know that combo huh? lol

I back Juggernaut on the grounds that Champion doesn't live up to the hype and/or Rasslor from "Dial M for Monkey" was much more impressive.

Champion DQ'd Thor and Hulk? Rasslor defeated all the Justice Friends and didn't even get his ribs broken by Monkey. Plus he was voiced by Macho Man Randy Savage.