The Celestials vs The Old Gods

which race would win in an epic battle? 
 
the enigmatic race of cosmic beings known as the Celestials.. 
 

• One Above All
• Arishem the Judge
• Ashema the Listener
• Devron the Experimenter
• Eson the Searcher
• Exitar the Executioner
• Gamiel the Manipulator
• Gammenon the Gatherer
• Hargen the Measurer
• Jemiah the Analyzer
• Nezarr the Calculator
• Oneg the Prober
• Tefral the Surveyor
• Tiamut the Dreaming Celestial (prior to ascension as the Fulcrum)
• Ziran the Tester

• Chthon - He who Holds the Darkness
• Gaea - Primeval Mother Goddess of the Earth
• Oshtur - Bright Lady of the Dawn
• Set - The Serpent Emperor of the Seas
• Cthulhu - The Great One
• Hastur - He Who Is Not to be Named
• Shub-Niggurath - The Black Goat of the Woods with a Thousand Young
• Nyarlathotep - The Crawling Chaos
• Yog-Sothoth - The Lurker at the Threshold
• Shuma-Gorath - He who Sleeps but shall Awake

i'm thinking celestials

celestials

i see no fulcrom magic invoking taimut and scathan is unpressent in the list too so the ancient of old gods win through bfr. 

Celestials win easily.

The Old Gods defeat the Celetstials.

I like how everyone in this thread acts like they don't know how to argue.

Gaea's power alone is multiversal and she isn't as powerful as Chthon or set.

Tiamut even before his ascension to Fulcrum was still very powerful, it took the whole host to take him out.

Tiamut even before his ascension to Fulcrum was still very powerful, it took the whole host to take him out.

@daak1212 said:

Tiamut even before his ascension to Fulcrum was still very powerful, it took the whole host to take him out.

What are host?

Gods are more powerfull, even numbers won't help Celestials.

Gods are more powerfull, even numbers won't help Celestials.

Celestials win easily.

@higher_evolutionary

what? with Gaea's power Hercules recreated the multiverse. SET and Chthon are at the very least her equal. no celestial has done anything like that.

Elder gods wins easily.

Spite thread. Gaea solos, or Chthon solos.

it was said that Tiamut the Dreaming Celestial shook in terror upon witnessing that the advent of Set in his dreams.. 
 

Celestials win.

@Grand Ninja said:

@daak1212 said:

Tiamut even before his ascension to Fulcrum was still very powerful, it took the whole host to take him out.

What are host?

a bunch of gay looking 2000feet tallers visit earth and experiment on humans see if they are fit to survive

I find it funny how people call Celestials "gay looking". Look at the "Old Gods". Isn't Chthon "gay looking" ? Half naked ugly demon in a cape and a hood ? A green octopus from japanese videos for perverts ? At least Celestials don't lool like a pile of crap with eyes or some heads flying in space.

TOAA solos... Oh wait that's a different OAA.... Damn you Marvel for confusing my simpleton brain!

Gaea's power alone is multiversal and she isn't as powerful as Chthon or set.

@Thor's hammmer: Hercules did not use Gaea's power. He used the power given to him by Amadeus Cho. Hercules still didn't know how to control all his power and what Gaea did was "teach" him how to use it. If anything than that, Gaea added her powers to those Hercules already had.  

@Thor's hammmer said:

Gaea's power alone is multiversal and she isn't as powerful as Chthon or set.

I had no idea of that. Can this be confirmed? Is Gaea really a multiversal character?

Even though I like the old gods as characters, I think the celestials hold more power than the old gods and would  win the figth.

I think Chthon can beat all celestials at once.

I think Chthon can beat all celestials at once.

@higher_evolutionary: I jump on anyone who uses it that I see,ask.

it was said that Tiamut the Dreaming Celestial shook in terror upon witnessing that the advent of Set in his dreams.. 
 

 

 
it was said that Set's return to the Earth dimension would destroy the entire universe.. 
 

 ^_^

Black Celestial is not Tiaumut the Dreaming believe it or not.  Set's return and destroying the universe seems more like a gradual thing as opposed to a instant thing.  Tiamut and Exitar are the heavy hitters for the celestial's while Scathan is pretty much there coach.

@lord_oraculous016: About the final thing with Celestials should not be able to beat Eternity because of him being maker and such.  That isnt really fair to say because many creations can beat the precursor and have one example is Fury and MJJ

@alexandrinus said:

@Thor's hammmer: Hercules did not use Gaea's power. He used the power given to him by Amadeus Cho. Hercules still didn't know how to control all his power and what Gaea did was "teach" him how to use it. If anything than that, Gaea added her powers to those Hercules already had.  

the power that Amadeus Cho got from gathering Hebe's ambrosia, Idunn's golden apples, the spells of the Book of Thoth, and the amrita cup of Dhanavantari only gave him the power of a Skyfather at the very least.. 
 

  
the power gain from these items may grant someone the power on par or probably greater of a Skyfather.. and we have all seen all Skyfathers fell before the Chaos King.. what Gaea did is she let Pele, the Goddess of Fire and Volcanoes to burn away Hercules' physical body.. with this Gaea taught Hercules how creation fought for life in the endless void.. with it, Gaea taught Hercules how to master the nigh-omnipotent power within him and in the process imbued Hercules with her own.. Hercules was then recreated with the power and mastery of all the Gods as well as that of the primeval Mother-Goddess herself.. 
 

@Thor's hammmer said:

Gaea's power alone is multiversal and she isn't as powerful as Chthon or set.

I had no idea of that. Can this be confirmed? Is Gaea really a multiversal character?

upon the publication of Chaos War, such claims can now be suggested.. why? Elder Gods had been described to be capable of influencing things in more than just a single universe.. the Serpent crown for one, can be found on hundreds of alternate universes and all these crowns are mystically connected to Set.. Chthon's Darkhold can also be found on alternate realities such as that of the 5th series of Marvel Zombies plus the fact that Chthon's power has affected alternate realities via the Scarlet Witch.. on Chaos War, Gaea has been described as the fountain-head of creation as she was the first being to have ever sprang from the chaos and void which is the Chaos King.. as the Mother Goddess, she apparently populated (both sexually and asexually) the Earth and subsequently the universe itself with new but lesser divinities and protected the emerging new life.. she is the spirit of the Earth, probably not just on 616 but all existing alternate Earths similar to her brother Set's connection with the Serpent Crown across all realities.. this is the reason why the Chaos King, who apparently has proven himself to be a multiversal entity, views Gaea as his greatest and oldest enemy as she is the reason why he came tumbling down in the cosmic hierarchy.. Gaea in her Celtic name "Danu" has also been invoked in other continuities such as that of Kull II #2 and King Conan #3 and some issues in Conan Savage.. 
  
 

Even though I like the old gods as characters, I think the celestials hold more power than the old gods and would  win the figth.

one quick question.. has it ever been stated that the Celestials possess power to destroy a universe or can be a threat to Eternity himself? for as i recall, the Celestials obeys Eternity's orders.. 
 

 ^_^

@daak1212 said: 

Black Celestial is not Tiaumut the Dreaming believe it or not.  Set's return and destroying the universe seems more like a gradual thing as opposed to a instant thing.  Tiamut and Exitar are the heavy hitters for the celestial's while Scathan is pretty much there coach.

yes, i think they are different individuals.. probably.. but still, one cannot deny that Set possess the power to do so.. what is Tiamut's greatest feat so far prior to his ascension with the Fulcrum? 
 

@lord_oraculous016: About the final thing with Celestials should not be able to beat Eternity because of him being maker and such.  That isnt really fair to say because many creations can beat the precursor and have one example is Fury and MJJ

true enough.. but the question still remains, does the Celestial ever been destroyed to possess power at a universal scale? or even being a threat to Eternity?

Lie. None of the elder gods is multiversal. There is Set in each universe. Marvel Zombies are not canon, what's your point ? Gaea is not the fountainhead of all life, you do realise Chaos War is a poor plot story arc ? If ever, it would be Brio, but not Gaea.

To the first question: He trashed the Horde who are equal to Celestials, when he ascended and journeyed with Fulcrum he had the power of the Horde, Celestials, and Watchers.  Still not sure how strong the Fulcrum is truthfully but by using old scans of the Celestials and Abstract hear-say I'm guessing very very multiversal, probably Chthon with Darkholme. I would also like to state that the entire second host had to jump Tiamut to take him out. 

Second Question:  Individually no, but I heard that if they all combine powers they should be able to take out Eternity relatively easily.  Franklin Richards is said to be equal to a mid tier Celestial and he seems to have powers to warp on a universal scale so maybe, maybe not.  Im not really sure one can actually test this as Celestials really don't flex there full power.

@Boobster said: 

Lie. None of the elder gods is multiversal. There is Set in each universe. Marvel Zombies are not canon, what's your point ? Gaea is not the fountainhead of all life, you do realise Chaos War is a poor plot story arc ? If ever, it would be Brio, but not Gaea.

what is your proof then that all i said were lies.. during Marvel Two-In-One, Hugh Jones needed to acquire the Serpent Crown from Earth-S and in Marvel Team-Up #5, when the Serpent Crown was taken to Project: PEGASUS, the crown influenced the staff at the complex and eventually overpowering the wills of everyone who works there.. these workers then set about transporting other Serpent Crowns from alternate realities to the Project, finally amassing 777 such crowns which are then merged to create one giant Crown which is to be used to facilitate Set’s return to Earth suggesting that all the Serpent crowns from alternate realities are all mystically connected and powered by Set of Earth 616.. Chaos War, no matter how the writers messed up the continuity is still a canon publication and according to it, Gaea was the fountain-head of all life and the first being to have sprung from the darkness and chaos of the Chaos King..  

@daak1212: ... 

To the first question: He trashed the Horde who are equal to Celestials, when he ascended and journeyed with Fulcrum he had the power of the Horde, Celestials, and Watchers.  Still not sure how strong the Fulcrum is truthfully but by using old scans of the Celestials and Abstract hear-say I'm guessing very very multiversal, probably Chthon with Darkholme. I would also like to state that the entire second host had to jump Tiamut to take him out. 

impressive.. yet, why is it that before his ascension with the Fulcrum, Tiamut shook in horror upon the possible advent of Set? also, why would the Watchers create the Archons billions of years ago to ensure that Set does not return to Earth dimension.. 

Second Question:  Individually no, but I heard that if they all combine powers they should be able to take out Eternity relatively easily.  Franklin Richards is said to be equal to a mid tier Celestial and he seems to have powers to warp on a universal scale so maybe, maybe not.  Im not really sure one can actually test this as Celestials really don't flex there full power.

so you are saying that the combined might of the Celestials can possibly defeat Eternity.. any proof of this? so do you think that the combined might of the celestial can defeat the Old Gods when each of the Old Gods possess power to destroy a universe at the very least, plus the fact that Chthon's mere manifestation on Earth was slowly killing Eternity himself.. also, Franklin Richards never warped reality on a universal scale.. his best feat was creating a pocket universe which is still very much smaller compared to the actual universe itself.. 

Didn't Phoenix kill Set? 

Gaea is not a fountainhead of all life, and she hasn't sprung from the darkness, if you truly believe what that #$%ing Chaos War arc says, then the fact she was spawned from Demiurge can be dismissed, right ? Cool story, bro.   

You do realise Celestials were the only ones who could contain the Goblin Force, who absorbed Phoenix Force and managed to deal with Galactus ? None of the Elder Gods possess the power to destroy the universe, 

None of the Elder Gods possess the power to destroy the universe, Celestials will put these gods on their knees.

@Boobster: ... 

Didn't Phoenix kill Set? 

no.. it was actually the other way around.. in the divergent reality of "When Atlantis Attacks", Set was summoned back to Earth dimension.. Rachel Summers summoned the power of the Phoenix Force only to be absorbed by Set.. in that reality, Set actually conquered the universe..  
  

Gaea is not a fountainhead of all life, and she hasn't sprung from the darkness, if you truly believe what that #$%ing Chaos War arc says, then the fact she was spawned from Demiurge can be dismissed, right ? Cool story, bro.   

i am very much aware of Gaea's history with the Demiurge.. and i do have to admit the Chaos War took for granted the established origins of certain characters.. this is something that Marvel needs to clear up.. until that time comes, both origins can be considered canon, but i have to admit that i agree with the origins concerning the Demiurge.. Chaos War's origins was more connected with the Greek cosmology concerning Gaea.. 
 

You do realise Celestials were the only ones who could contain the Goblin Force, who absorbed Phoenix Force and managed to deal with Galactus ? None of the Elder Gods possess the power to destroy the universe, 

do you also realize that that happened in an alternate reality.. the Goblin Force dose not exist in the prime continuity.. also, the defeat of the Phoenix Force in the reality does not make sense as all life was supposed to cease to exist upon its death.. more logical response is that the Goblin Force did not truly devoured the Phoenix Force in that reality, but rather the cosmic energy guise it uses when manifesting in the physical universe.. also, if you were not aware, Jean grey, just recalling an echo of the Phoenix within her allowed her to destroy the hand of the Celestial Arishem the Judge..  
 

None of the Elder Gods possess the power to destroy the universe, Celestials will put these gods on their knees.

is there any way you can prove these claims with factual feats rather than just speculations.. it was never even hinted that Celestials possess power to destroy a single universe, unless you can prove that otherwise.. while Elder Gods has been shown and described to possess power to destroy universes.. plus the fact that the combined power of Galactus, the Proemial Gods and the Celestials failed to defeat the Many Angled-Ones, parody of the Great Old Ones who are basically cousins of the Elder Gods..

So what if that happened in alternate reality ? Phoenix is multiversal, as far as I know, so what happened to it is still canon, no matter where it was.

Show me Elder Gods destroying a universe on panel.  

Containing Goblin Force > Destroying universes. 

Wrong, they struggled to defeat Galactus Engine, which is Galactus own power plus those Many Angled Ones, and Galactus was actually the last man standing, and then Death showed up and made those octopuses sh!t their tentacles.