The Beyonders vs The Monitors

Vs

Who wins?

Beyonders.

If the primal monitor is with them they win but if the primal monitor isn't with them the beyonders win.

Ivory Kings, since to them PR Beyonder is a 'child' unit.

Yes and no. The Beyonder in Secret Wars was a child unit, but this comes after they retconned his powers and crazy feats to never happening/obsolete.

PR Beyonder > Ivory Kings.

Retconned/Modern Beyonder < Ivory Kings.

@mysticmedivh: The Puctured Beyonders are extremely powerful as well.

Basically this. The Ivory Kings are still not at PRB's level, and shouldn't be regarded as his equals, let alone his superiors.

Yes, they are, however, not as powerful as PR Beyonder.

monitors

@mysticmedivh: Proof?

Current LT was the confirmed 2nd to God, with the One Above All, whereas before there was no recollection of the One Above All or the LT; as 2nd to God.

Beyonders took down Current LT, and everyone else.

By feats? Yeah definitely agree with you there.

Not only by feats, but the actual PR Beyonder wasn't a child unit. A retconned Beyonder during Secret Wars was, but not the version that was retconned.

Bump.

Beyonders stomp.

Who are the beyonders?

@kgb725 said:

The guys who killed Living Tribunal.

@kgb725: Beyonders

Beyonders. Stomp.

The Monitors were like the Celestials in Marvel, the Beyonders.....well, I bet the three of them can destroy all the Monitors. This would be a fair fight only if the three Beyonders are fighting all the Monitors plus their weapons, Mandrakk, and Nix Uotan.

Ivory kings STOMP if the monitors are equal to the celestials ONE of the ivory kings solo'd the celestials lol

@baron_von_santa: Monitors>Celestials. The Celestials exist inside the various universes of the Marvel multiverse, While the Monitors exist outside the dc multiverse itself.

The monitors are basically the embodiment of story tellers/narrator. Being metafictional is pointless in vs debates though.

@darkknight96000: I said: Were like, not equal in power.

Unless Dax Novu Mandrakk is involved, Beyonders stomp.

I think the real question is who is the most powerful out of each group.

Monitors: chin beard, Amish beard or lambchops.

Beyonders: 2 eyes, 3 eyes or 4 eyes.

Mind if I ask, but how big do you think Beyonder's are?

@outside_85: Dunno, I guess their real size is slightly taller than a human, but can be as big or small as they want to be.

These battles are hilarious.

Beyonder stomps

beyonders

We don't really know what primal monitor is capable of. But I'll go with beyonders

The 3 Ivory kings stomp !! they killed the Living Tribunal

Sounds accurate :) and it would be better if the Over Monitor faced the Ivory Kings he could probably solo

I'm thinking the Beyonders. Btw would be interesting to see the Beyonders against Nekron and Black Lanterns or COIE Anti Monitor

@johnnyeli: The beyonders would stomp them

@johnnyeli: Nekron is not a Monitor

@johnfrank120: i know but many on this site believe him to be the big evil of DC and very powerful so just thought it would be interesting to see.:-/

The Beyonders.

These three killed LT, and every celestial. Based of that feat alone they win. Beating LT is like beating full power spectre

@lettsplay10: I thought so. :-P

Beyonders win.

What's this nonsense that THREE Ivory Kings killed LT?

Beyonders=Ivory Kings. There arent' just three Beyonders called Ivory Kings... And it took an army of them to kill LT. Unless they specifically said THREE Beyonders killed LT, then no... it took an army of them. It was implied that way.

So herald - tier beings vs Cosmic Beings? Beyonders godstomp them beyond belief.

Hmmm....

What?

Monitors aren't even remotely close to the power of the Beyonders. Only the Primal Monitor would wreck them.

I think you would find that a single Monitor is likely to be far more powerful than any herald... or its master for that matter.

Powerscaling is irrelevant in Marvel. You might as well argue that Starbrand can beat LT.

The Beyonders killed LT, the abstracts, and the Celestials across the multiverse, only to get wiped out by a bomb that destroyed hundreds of thousands of universes. In this case, it goes:

Bomb > Beyonders > LT > Bomb > Beyonders > LT

Its just absurd. LT is of course > hundreds of thousands of universes, since he does govern the multiverse, yet his killers got offed by a blast that shouldn't have scratched him in any way.

Powerscaling is not compatible with Marvel. There are literally hundreds of writers, and all of them have differing opinions on characters, sizes, structures, etc. Just because one character displayed universal power in one story doesn't mean it will necessarily be as powerful in another writer's story.

out of curiosity, what feats has the Primal Monitor have that put him in the level of omnipotence?

monitors primal monitor solos and stomps so bad he's beyond omnipotent.