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#1 Posted by Needlebay (1948 posts) - - Show Bio

Standard weapons/equipment. Pre-Flashpoint versions.

Batman

Azrael

Azrael #11

Nightwing

Nightwing

Cassandra Cain

Jean Paul Valley

Red Hood

Damian Wayne (Adult)

vs

Captain America

Daredevil

Avengers Alliance

Echo

Echo

Black Panther

Winter Soldier

Moon Knight

Moon Knight #1 (2011)

Black Widow

By Shawn McGuan

Punisher

#2 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

Cass, Azrael, and JPV all together are just too much. Team Bats takes this one.

#3 Posted by Cochise (707 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel team wins the majority. More A-list fighters, smarter fighters (Cap and BP), better tech (seriously, giving BP his equipment is a huge advantage), and so forth. Good fight though and the Bat family wins some.

#4 Posted by FourthDeity (2234 posts) - - Show Bio

The only truly outstanding street levelers on team marvel are DD and Cap. The Bat family takes this

#5 Posted by Alexander505 (2176 posts) - - Show Bio

Bat team win.

#6 Posted by Gritterr (491 posts) - - Show Bio

@FourthDeity said:

The only truly outstanding street levelers on team marvel are DD and Cap. The Bat family takes this

Black panther beats everyone on the bat team in a 1v1 fight

#7 Edited by Alexander505 (2176 posts) - - Show Bio

@Gritterr said:

@FourthDeity said:

The only truly outstanding street levelers on team marvel are DD and Cap. The Bat family takes this

Black panther beats everyone on the bat team in a 1v1 fight

Even Batman, Azrael or Cassandra can beat everyone on the Marvel team in a 1v1. So what?

#8 Posted by DocFatalis (1419 posts) - - Show Bio

The way they meet is going to be very important: let the Punisher take a sniper's position at one point during the encounter and it becomes a collection of head shots. Let Damian Wayne know where this is going to happen a day before the encounter and the street becomes a mine field.

Some of the other characters could probably resort to tech and planning to take an edge as well. Cap, Black Panther and Bats are all planners and tacticians. That would be a very complicated and deadly fight with lots of blood around.

#9 Edited by Gritterr (491 posts) - - Show Bio

@Alexander505 said:

@Gritterr said:

@FourthDeity said:

The only truly outstanding street levelers on team marvel are DD and Cap. The Bat family takes this

Black panther beats everyone on the bat team in a 1v1 fight

Even Batman, Azrael or Cassandra can beat everyone on the Marvel team in a 1v1. So what?

That statement is completely false. Panther, DD, and Cap will Beat anyone on Team 1 for majority in a straight 1v1 fight. Bucky and Moonknight are better fighters than nightwing damian and red hood. I dont know if you guys are grossly underestimating the marvel side or extremely overrating the bat side

#10 Posted by Alexander505 (2176 posts) - - Show Bio

@Gritterr said:

@Alexander505 said:

@Gritterr said:

@FourthDeity said:

The only truly outstanding street levelers on team marvel are DD and Cap. The Bat family takes this

Black panther beats everyone on the bat team in a 1v1 fight

Even Batman, Azrael or Cassandra can beat everyone on the Marvel team in a 1v1. So what?

That statement is completely false. Panther DD Cap Beat everyone on Team 1 for majority in a straight 1v1 fight. Bucky and Moonknight are better fighters than nightwing damian and red hood. I dont know if you guys are grossly underestimating the marvel side or extremely overrating the bat side

LOL

#11 Posted by ComicStooge (13790 posts) - - Show Bio

Azrael will destroy anyone on the Marvel Team, he's an absolute beast.

#12 Edited by entropy_aegis (15472 posts) - - Show Bio

Unless we're using current uber T'Challa(who happens to be featless for the moment) I dont see how they're gonna deal with the Azraels.@Gritterr said:

@Alexander505 said:

@Gritterr said:

@FourthDeity said:

The only truly outstanding street levelers on team marvel are DD and Cap. The Bat family takes this

Black panther beats everyone on the bat team in a 1v1 fight

Even Batman, Azrael or Cassandra can beat everyone on the Marvel team in a 1v1. So what?

That statement is completely false. Panther, DD, and Cap will Beat anyone on Team 1 for majority in a straight 1v1 fight. Bucky and Moonknight are better fighters than nightwing damian and red hood. I dont know if you guys are grossly underestimating the marvel side or extremely overrating the bat side

Um no,DD cannot beat either Azrael,Batman and Cass,T'Challa cannot beat either Azrael and Cap goes the same way as DD with him maybe defeating Cass.

Moonknight is'nt beating Nightwing and especially not adult Damian,doubt he could beat Jason either.

#13 Posted by Alexander505 (2176 posts) - - Show Bio

Yep..

So...Bat-team FTW

#14 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (5617 posts) - - Show Bio

Isn't Azrael above street level? I've heard people talking about the things he's tanked and it sounds like he makes it unbalanced in The Bat family's favor.

Anyway I guess BP 's tech can even things out, Winter Soldier and Punisher could snipe Bat Family guys from a distance too.
I'll go Marvel.

#15 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@Gritterr said:

Even Batman, Azrael or Cassandra can beat everyone on the Marvel team in a 1v1. So what?

That statement is completely false. Panther, DD, and Cap will Beat anyone on Team 1 for majority in a straight 1v1 fight. Bucky and Moonknight are better fighters than nightwing damian and red hood. I dont know if you guys are grossly underestimating the marvel side or extremely overrating the bat side

No. Just no. The only Marvel combatant who has a prayer against Azrael is BP, because of his tech. And Azrael will still take a substantial majority due to massively better physicals. Azrael will stomp all over everyone else on team Marvel with ease.

Cass outclassed everyone on Team Marvel in both skill and speed. She would stomp DD with no problem, and would take Cap after a longer fight, because of the shield for defense. She is ridiculously fast and extremely adept at nerve strikes. Cap is peak human in speed, but Cass is a quantified metahuman in it.

Batman would probably lose to BP, and his fight with Cap is a well-publicized draw. It's simply too close to call.

Bucky isn't as good as any of the above, nor as good as Nightwing. Damian doesn't have the feats to put him above Bucky in skill, only inferences, but he has the tech to pull out a win. Jason vs Bucky is a pretty close fight. They're very evenly matched.

Moon Knight is simply outclassed in skill by everyone else in this post. He loses to all of them, Carbonadium armor or no.

#16 Posted by CaptainDoeo (789 posts) - - Show Bio

DD>C

#17 Posted by CaptainDoeo (789 posts) - - Show Bio

C, as in Cass, of course.

#18 Posted by Needlebay (1948 posts) - - Show Bio

No love for Jean Paul? He did take on Batman and Nightwing at once and was eventually strong enough to spin around a statue. The guy would demolish the likes of MK or DD.

#19 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@CaptainDoeo said:

DD>C, C as in Cass, of course.

On what basis? Cass is substantially faster and substantially more skilled, and has her utility belt for a gear advantage. She also has far better move reading than DD's exhibited. DD may be a better acrobat, but only marginally, and that's not going to give him the win, anyway. Better senses? Irrelevant, since there's no reason to believe this is anything other than a random encounter in broad daylight. Cass has the advantage in everything that matters. How can DD beat her?

#20 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (7723 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire said:

Cass, Azrael, and JPV all together are just too much. Team Bats takes this one.

This

#21 Posted by Haaydrian (173 posts) - - Show Bio

@FourthDeity said:

The only truly outstanding street levelers on team marvel are DD and Cap. The Bat family takes this

and Barnes, but that's beside the point. Bat-Family takes this.

#22 Posted by Haaydrian (173 posts) - - Show Bio

@NeminatoYamakaze said:

@Haaydrian said:

@FourthDeity said:

The only truly outstanding street levelers on team marvel are DD and Cap. The Bat family takes this

and Barnes, but that's beside the point. Bat-Family takes this.

Panther is a better fighter than Daredevil is

Ummm... Panther ain't here...?

#23 Posted by robertloucksjr (1809 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire said:

@Gritterr said:

Even Batman, Azrael or Cassandra can beat everyone on the Marvel team in a 1v1. So what?

That statement is completely false. Panther, DD, and Cap will Beat anyone on Team 1 for majority in a straight 1v1 fight. Bucky and Moonknight are better fighters than nightwing damian and red hood. I dont know if you guys are grossly underestimating the marvel side or extremely overrating the bat side

No. Just no. The only Marvel combatant who has a prayer against Azrael is BP, because of his tech. And Azrael will still take a substantial majority due to massively better physicals. Azrael will stomp all over everyone else on team Marvel with ease.

Cass outclassed everyone on Team Marvel in both skill and speed. She would stomp DD with no problem, and would take Cap after a longer fight, because of the shield for defense. She is ridiculously fast and extremely adept at nerve strikes. Cap is peak human in speed, but Cass is a quantified metahuman in it.

Batman would probably lose to BP, and his fight with Cap is a well-publicized draw. It's simply too close to call.

Bucky isn't as good as any of the above, nor as good as Nightwing. Damian doesn't have the feats to put him above Bucky in skill, only inferences, but he has the tech to pull out a win. Jason vs Bucky is a pretty close fight. They're very evenly matched.

Moon Knight is simply outclassed in skill by everyone else in this post. He loses to all of them, Carbonadium armor or no.

How does Cass have meta-human speed? Until they give a reason, it is PIS.

Azrael - Cap and Winter's Knight

Batman - Black Panther

Jean Paul - Daredevil

Cass - Black Widow

Nightwing - Punisher

Red Hood - Moon Knight

Damon Wayne - Echo

#24 Posted by darktiger (4622 posts) - - Show Bio

@Alexander505 said:

Bat team win.

correct

#25 Posted by Oni_Bane (1728 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel Team for the win. Cap, DD, and BP are pretty damn good fighters plus BP tech is a huge factor here. Punisher could kill them all from a distance with a high power rifle except Cain but then you have all the other guys.

#26 Posted by The_Soverighn (1813 posts) - - Show Bio

CASS, AZ,DICK,BRUCE

THEY TAKE THIS

THE ONLY GOOD STREET LEVEL MARVEL HAS ARE CAP, DD, PANTHER AND BUCKY.

#27 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (18627 posts) - - Show Bio

Not sure.

#28 Posted by jsav777 (658 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not sure what the starting distance is, but in large battles like this, it's usually 100 ft or so, Marvel should win. Punisher packs excellent long rang and could snipe most of the DC team. Black Widow, Winter Soldier and Echo are also good shots (Echo having Bullseye's aim) and could really whittle down the Bat team. Then it's just a matter of Panther, Daredevil, and Cap ganging up on a few, with the snipers coming in for back-up.

Also do people not know who Echo is. She basically has Taskmasters powers. I think she's being seriously underestimated here. If she's staying back sniping, she'd soak up all of Bat teams' skills in addition to her current skill set.

#29 Posted by entropy_aegis (15472 posts) - - Show Bio

WTF are people talking about? the Marvel team has no way of taking down Lane and JPV could take on multiple characters by himself.The Sword of Sin is gonna have a field day with the majority of Marvel characters.

This is a stomp,either replace the Azraels' with Shiva/Bane/Bronze Tiger or replace Moon Knight and Widow with Gorgon and Wolverine to make it competitive.

#30 Posted by CaptainDoeo (789 posts) - - Show Bio

Cassandra couldn't hit DD. He dodges things much faster than her, and could pretty damn easily nerve strike her. Better senses are irrelevent? How? Bats team couldn't try to sneak around them. If Bat moved a rock a little bit, or even just hadn't taken a shower that day, Daredevil would read him. "Captain America isn't a smart fighter." Go away. You're making completely assumptions. If your gonna go off one of the time Cyclops, who is a master planner and fighter, as evidence that he "is dumb." Then I'll say that The Penny Plunder and Kite-Man(I believe was his name.) Gave Batman a run for his money.

#31 Posted by Selinaky (677 posts) - - Show Bio

I vote Bat-Family

#32 Posted by Cochise (707 posts) - - Show Bio

@NeminatoYamazake: Wow, you really only know these characters from battle boards don't you... Cap and BP are just as skilled as Batman and Cassandra and physically superior. And the tech BP rolls with is superior to Batman's. They beat them, period. Cassandra isn't wrecking Daredevil except in the fevered dreams of overenthusiastic fans. And Cap is one of the most gifted combat strategists in comics. If all you know of him is AvsX... that's embarrassing.

#33 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12373 posts) - - Show Bio

@Cochise said:

@NeminatoYamazake: Wow, you really only know these characters from battle boards don't you... Cap and BP are just as skilled as Batman and Cassandra and physically superior. And the tech BP rolls with is superior to Batman's. They beat them, period. Cassandra isn't wrecking Daredevil except in the fevered dreams of overenthusiastic fans. And Cap is one of the most gifted combat strategists in comics. If all you know of him is AvsX... that's embarrassing.

lol, its funny cus it's wrong .....

Batman and Cass have better combat, skill and H2H feats than Captain America and Black Panther. You simply say Cass won't chump Matt Murdock like he has feats of actual skill over her, prove it. Cap may be a great strategist and all, but it didn't help him against Taskmaster.

Too many actual powerhouses (skill wise) on team 1, mainly the two Azrael's ... one of which has the Suit of Sorrows. Damian's suit makes him physically stronger than almost everyone here, he can fly also which gives him a great advantage. Nightwing and Batman have gadgets that most of the marvel team cannot counter (Nerve Gas, Cryo Capsules, Sonic Grenades, Bombs etc... With just their gadgets alone they could take out half of team 2. JPV and Micheal Lane really do make this a bit unfair though, but the point is...Bat-family wins.

#34 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

TBF.

#35 Posted by darktiger (4622 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

TBF.

couldn't have said it better myself

#36 Edited by Shawnbaby (10869 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the Bat Family having 2 Azraels kinda makes this a bit one sided. Should probably take them out...maybe replace them with Tim Drake and Barbara Gordon...that would make it a bit more even

Don't know much about the adult Damian there but his armor looks like it would put him ahead of the "street level" grade as well

#37 Posted by entropy_aegis (15472 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

I think the Bat Family having 2 Azraels kinda makes this a bit one sided. Should probably take them out...maybe replace them with Tim Drake and Barbara Gordon...that would make it a bit more even

Don't know much about the adult Damian there but his armor looks like it would put him ahead of the "street level" grade as well

You're right,there are 2 different versions of adult Damian.One from Morrisons apocalyptic Gotham and the other from Generation Lost.The former could be considered a street level character but I doubt the same holds true for the latter.

And it's Generation Lost version whose picture happens to be in the OP.

#38 Posted by CaptainDoeo (789 posts) - - Show Bio

LOL@Punisher being a D-Lister. If you want, I'll post some scans to show you how talented Punisher is. Never the less, Daredevil has dodged laser beams. Daredevil dodges sniper bullets, fairly easy. Like I said, I'll post some scans tomorrow. How about you actually read a Daredevil comic, then come back and try to make a better argument than, "CC dodge a sniper bullet once, therefore she can hit DD." It's always pathetic when someone has to try and bring immature petty insults to try and seem intelligent. Get over yourself, and you are, by no means, an expert.

#39 Posted by CaptainDoeo (789 posts) - - Show Bio

Also, your little "Cap is so dumb" argument simply futher leads me to the conclusion that you have not only never read a Daredevil, or Cap comic..But not even a Marvel comic. The fact that you consider yourself an expert astounds me.

#40 Posted by CaptainDoeo (789 posts) - - Show Bio

Can somebody give me that scan where Daredevil dodges Kingpin's laser shooting thing, so this guy will shut up. Wait for tomorrow, I'm going to show some pretty damn cool scans of Punisher. He isn't an A-Lister, but saying he is a D-lister is just ridiculous. Again, you can't end your childish arguement without a fail attempt to insult. You're just being a silly willy.

#41 Posted by CaptainDoeo (789 posts) - - Show Bio

If owning is stating a sentence that is trying to contradict an arguement without pointing out flaws, or using evidence to prove the contrary. Then yeah, you owned me, man. Saying that you read something, and then having no knowledge of the character makes you look even more like a child.

#42 Posted by CaptainDoeo (789 posts) - - Show Bio

Stop trying to troll.

#43 Posted by society619 (933 posts) - - Show Bio

Since the bats fanboys refuse to believe anybody on Marvel is skilled i'll just post scans until they shut me down.

Beats Black Panther.

Knocks out Namor.

Defeats Taskmaster

Stalemates T'Chaka (T'Challa's, the modern Black Panther, father).

Draws blood from the Hulk with a shield bash.

Knocks Colossus off his feet.

Holds his own against Carnage.

Stuns Onslaught.

KO's the Rhino.

#44 Posted by society619 (933 posts) - - Show Bio

Fights Spiderman & Nightcrawler

vs Logan

vs Bulleye

Punisher goes toe to toe with Walker who is Class 10 strength

#45 Posted by CaptainDoeo (789 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher is still a D-lister when he's beaten Black Widow, Moon Knight, and various other when they get the drop on him? Not to mention that he beat Spiderman, Wolverine, and Daredevil while they were all after him. You act as if Kingpin and Puni always own Daredevil, when I have plenty of scans of him winning. Batman lost to Penny Plunder and Kiteman. Cass isn't god.

#46 Posted by CaptainDoeo (789 posts) - - Show Bio

The Nuke thing was incredible stupid.

#47 Edited by society619 (933 posts) - - Show Bio

@StreamwoodFlak said:

@society619:No one siad that Marvel team doesn't have skill.

Punisher didn't go toe to toe with Walker either. US Agent was kicking his ass, Punisher hits him once and US Agent laughed at him. He couldn't even hurt him and Walker was toying with him. Read the comic

That's only a few I got more coming while you're already discrediting feats

#48 Posted by society619 (933 posts) - - Show Bio

The Marvel team has fought and beaten much tougher enemies than this team but Bat-fanboys will refuse to admit defeat. This thread is funny.

#49 Posted by CaptainDoeo (789 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm just going to use the same pathetic "debating skills" as you. IM RIGHT YOURE WRONG I THINK YOUR DUMB I DON'T CARE IF YOUR ARGUEMENTS ARE TRUE AND VALID, I'M GONNA DISAGREE AND INSULT YOU TO COMPENSATE FOR MY SMALL GENTIALS. PLEASE LIKE ME, AREN'T I COOL? PLEASE? PLEASE LIKE ME. IM NEWWWWWW

#50 Posted by society619 (933 posts) - - Show Bio

@StreamwoodFlak said:

@CaptainDoeo said:

The Nuke thing was incredible stupid.

Just shut up dude, youre running out of gas

@society619 said:

@StreamwoodFlak said:

@society619:No one siad that Marvel team doesn't have skill.

Punisher didn't go toe to toe with Walker either. US Agent was kicking his ass, Punisher hits him once and US Agent laughed at him. He couldn't even hurt him and Walker was toying with him. Read the comic

That's only a few I got more coming while you're already discrediting feats

Don't bother, you've never read any of the comics that your scans are from. Cap didn't hurt Onslaught, if you read the comic you would know that it's not the real Onslaught and it's a fucking illusion. Cap hurting Rhino and Namor are massive PIS, Even Spiderman can't hurt them and he's stronger than Cap is. Taskmaster has kicked Cap's ass 4 times, the best Cap could do is tackle him off of a bridge.

Seriously, just shut up dude...

Yep cry PIS because that never happens in DC....especially in Batman comics....Not even wasting my time on someone who doesn't have the balls to post on his real account...troll harder