The Avengers vs Uchiha Legends and Kabuto

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It has been 50 years since the Fourth Shinobi War and Kabuto has broken out of Itachi's Izanami. He is bloodthrusty for a fight and prepares to take on the Avengers as a great challenge. He researches them for years about their abilities and prepares his three most powerful Edo summonings yet. He has revived three of the most powerful Uchiha's that ever lived.

Itachi Uchiha- Has modified Itachi with both of shishui's sharigans being placed in him, giving Itachi Enternal Mangekyo Sharigans and enhancing his genjutsu ability to crazy levels (as Shishui was actually said to be the most powerful genjutsu user in Uchiha history). All chakra levels also get a boost and can spam attacks like Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi without fatigue as the drawbacks of using a Mangekyo Sharigan now dont apply.



Obito Uchiha- Kabuto has also found Kakashi's grave and given Obito both of his Mangekyo Sharigans back to him, enabling him to use both of Kamui's ablities and Susanoo. (This wil be similar when Kakashi had both sharigans against Kaguya so use those feats in the manga like Kamui Skuriken and Kakashi Full Body Susanoo).


Remember that they are also Edo's meaning they are immortal, have unlimited chakra and stamia. The only way to stop them is to seal or restrain them. Even if Kabuto dies the Edo Tensei will still be active. Due to some of their enhanced abilities like Madara, some may regenerate very fast like Madara or hard to hit, like Obito who can still use intangibility as a Edo.Madara Uchiha- Has revived the strongest Uchiha that ever lived, and has given him enhanced Senju Charkra (like in the Manga and Anime) enabling to have remarkable healing, chakra and enabled him to use Wood Style jutsu. He also has given him both of his Rinnegan which enables him to use all of the abilities of the Six Paths. Kabuto is located 50 km away inside a mountain watching through the eyes of the reanimated (like in the anime). He knows all of the abilities of each Avengers except for Hulk.



These are the Avengers who will be fighting the greatest Uchiha's that ever lived. Hulk and Iron Man can come in if things start going bad. Now only feats from the Avengers comic series or tv shows are allowed (No Hulkbuster or World breaker) as this is only each character from when they were in the Avengers. They know a little about Kabuto but nothing about the Edo Tensei. They are all in character as well.

The great battle will take place here. Now... who will win? Can the Avengers figure a way to stop the Edo Tensei or will they need to call in Hulk and Iron for help to buy them extra time? Also try to give actual explanations no troll comments.

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Genjutsu can work and so can energy absorption (meaning the rinnegan can absorb all types of energy).

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Thor solos. Sunfire could possibly solo. You're underestimating the Avengers.

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Avengers.

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@tony_shark: Underestimating the avengers? I think your underestimating these three, did you even read all of the information? How is Thor suppose to beat Obito with both of his Sharigan? He can use intangibility and kamui at the same time. He could just rip Thor's head off into another dimension. Not to mention Itachi has Shisui's eyes meaning he can use Kotoamastukami which needs no eye contact and can allow the user to control someone without them evening knowing. He could use this on Thor or Hulk to turn them against the Avengers. Madara's Full Susanoo is crazy too, able to easily take nuke attacks and its sword slices mountains off the land. Not to mention that all three are essentially immortal. His rinnegan will allow him to absorb all energy so only physical attacks will work and he can rip your soul out. Dont get me started on Itachi's Susanoo either, it has the Sword of Totsuka which can seal anyone inside of it inside a world of infinite genjutsu's. The yata mirror is also ridiculously strong, only physical attacks work, no elemental, spiritual or magical attacks will affect it.

Not saying that the Avengers have completely lose but you have not explained how they are going to deal with all three and they're crazy abilties. They cant just keep trying to kill them, they'll never die and the Avengers will tire out quickly by watsing energy. Its like no one on these threads no what Edo Tensei is? Its OP as hell. The only way the Avengers can stop them is by restraining them, but these three are going to be extremely hard to restrain, especially since all of them can activate their Susanoo now.

Please explain but dont just say they win with no proof.

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Wheres the Sausage at? Anyway Thor solo's, all Kabuto does with prep is get 'ingredients' ready for his Edo Tensei,and all of his edos get one shotted by Thor.

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@bboybreezi: Okay, sobasically you've read Naruto and nothing that includes Thor. Luckly for you, I have experience on both.

Basically, while the Uchihas are very fast (very very fast), Thor is simply faster. It may not seem that way because he holds back A LOT, but he is leagues above the rest of the Avengers themselves.

He has thrown Mjionir at speeds exceeding several light speeds. Fast enough to travel Galactic distances in short amount of time. None of the Uchihas, sharigan or not, have reaction speeds that can come close to that.

Strength and durability are also in his favor. He has survived getting punched through the Earth, serveral hits of antimatter (which destroys normal molecules), hits from Galactus, Silver Surfer, and Celestials. All who would annihilate these Uchihas (along with the entire planet in seconds). His strength is equal to planet busting levels. He has punched a being several light years out of the planet and into other sectors of galaxy. No one in Naruto can survive that. What would the Uchihas do when he just simply throws them into Space?

Furthermore, genjutsu, which is a form of mind manipulation, would not work on him. His asgardian mind is too vast for a human mind to invade. Emma Frost (whilst holding 1/2 of the Phoenix force) could not even read his thoughts or shut his mind down. She if she could not do it (while enhanced with galaxy busting energy) then they won't do it.

Adding the rest of the Avengers is overkill. Thor solos. All day. Any day.

Is that proof enough for you?

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@bboybreezi: Btw, This is the Uncanny Avengers roster. So hulk is not a part of it.

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Thor should just through his harm at lightspeed curl it and 1 shot him. Yet if the naruto genjutsu BS happens are we talking about the scarlet which who killed all the mutants cos if so she wins to. But if not thor should just solo as some other guy mention thor has mind control resistance. So yeah he should just ultra stomp.

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#11  Edited By MudaMudaMuda

@tony_shark:

I could see the avengers winning, but there are two-three problems in your post.

He has thrown Mjionir at speeds exceeding several light speeds.

A thrown Mjolnir can supposedly travel twice at the speed of light according to guide books, but has Thor ever demonstrated this kind of speed on panel ? Because I remember the likes of Storm dodging it.

Fast enough to travel Galactic distances in short amount of time. None of the Uchihas, sharigan or not, have reaction speeds that can come close to that.

That's travel speed AKA irrelevant in this fight. Consistently speaking, Thor has horribly low combat speed far below the Uchiha's (I ever remember some scans of Spidey and other street levelers messing around with him. could be PIS though). So unless he throws Mjolnir at them I could very well see them easily reacting to all his attacks.

Strength and durability are also in his favor.

True but Irrelevant because

1) The Uchihas are zombies with infinite regen due to edo bodies that can regenerate from sub-atomic level damage.

2) Obito can tele-dismember him by teleporting his head off.

So no. Thor does not solo.

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@mudamudamuda: Can Obito's tele-dismemberment even work on someone as durable as Thor?

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@mudamudamuda: Can Obito's tele-dismemberment even work on someone as durable as Thor?

Why wouldn't it ? Teleportation has nothing to do with durability. Obito's Kamui distorts space-time to send people into other dimensions. The problem is that Obito can control the size and location of this distortion so he could just open a space-time wormhole right inside of Thor's head.

Kamui is kind of like Midnighter's doors except that Obito can close it mid-teleportation to disconnect body parts.

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@mudamudamuda: Obito has not shown to do that right off the bat and Thor would just blitz him once he senses the source, as he can sense the chakra as an energy source.

It does matter? Again, whats stopping him from hitting them all out of orbit? Then finishing them off while confused in space? What's stopping him from leveling the entiere battle field?

The problem with your logic is that you really want Uchiha to win, but you used the wrong Avengers team. Sunfire could easily take on Obito and Itachi, Wonderman is strong enough to take on Madara. Wolverine is an excellent infantry. Scarlet Witch reality warping could just null their regeneration or their abilities.

And then you add Thor, who is a galactic-level powerhouse. When he does not hold back, he is unstoppable. And he won't seeing that his teammates are in danger. He could just send them to another realmdimensions. Obito can't come back unless he can synch to it, but he wouldn't have that chance.

You're trying to compare characters who together are barely strong enough to level a small nation, and that's mostly Madara, to a character who is a planet busting leveler, has delt with much stronger opponents and techniques, immortals, demons, magicians, and has literally centuries of more experience.

So yeah, Thor solos. Hard.

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@tony_shark said:

@mudamudamuda: Obito has not shown to do that right off the bat and Thor would just blitz him once he senses the source, as he can sense the chakra as an energy source.

It does matter? Again, whats stopping him from hitting them all out of orbit? Then finishing them off while confused in space? What's stopping him from leveling the entiere battle field?

The problem with your logic is that you really want Uchiha to win, but you used the wrong Avengers team. Sunfire could easily take on Obito and Itachi, Wonderman is strong enough to take on Madara. Wolverine is an excellent infantry. Scarlet Witch reality warping could just null their regeneration or their abilities.

And then you add Thor, who is a galactic-level powerhouse. When he does not hold back, he is unstoppable. And he won't seeing that his teammates are in danger. He could just send them to another realmdimensions. Obito can't come back unless he can synch to it, but he wouldn't have that chance.

You're trying to compare characters who together are barely strong enough to level a small nation, and that's mostly Madara, to a character who is a planet busting leveler, has delt with much stronger opponents and techniques, immortals, demons, magicians, and has literally centuries of more experience.

So yeah, Thor solos. Hard.

So much wrong with this statement.

1.) He(Madara) did not level a small nation it was combination of most of the lightning country and small parts of the fire and waves country(You clearly see this if you put the Naruto world map scan and Madara's chibaku tensei scan side by side).

2.) How was He barely strong enough to do it when it was casual(He called his so called strongest attack "rain drops") then there's the fact he was also using utilizing clones(Limbo).

3.) Full power Madara's casual widescale chibaku tensei was only suppose to be a distraction in the first place so sage amped Naruto and Sasuke couldn't stop him from tp'ing the entire planet via Infinite Tsukuyomi.

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#16  Edited By Tony_Shark

@vintage_spiderman:

Thank you for the correction. However, against Scarlet Witch, Sunfire, and Thor, it makes little to no difference.

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Thor is highly suceptible to illusions (see Loki, Enchantress, Blood and Thunder, etc). He gets genjutsu oneshotted.

I presume this isn't HOM Wanda. Wanda gets blitzed and Genjutsu oneshotted.

Sunfire gets the same treatment.

Or if that fails then they all get BFR'd to Kamui dimension.

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@vintage_spiderman:

Thank you for the correction. However, against Scarlet Witch, Sunfire, and Thor, it makes little to no difference.

I disagree the lightning country in it's entirety is comparable to a continent if you really look at it's size depicted in comparison to the other country's and even the Narutoverse in general going by various scans and it still wasn't even the only other country he effected either and again it was all casual. Also Madara's power is compared to Toneri a villian who cut the entire moon in half and wasn't even depicted to be going all out when he preformed the feat though I wouldn't quite say it was casual either. Not to mention certain hax uchiha's have such as kamui which can either act as lethal technique that completely and utterly bypasses durability by teleporting limbs, organs, etc.. or a instant bfr technique by teleporting entire bodies into the kamuiland(Obito's pocket dimension) or by teleporting the users body parts(the user can make his head intangible, stomach intangible, arm intangible, etc..) or entire body intangible(as seen when Obito slipped through an entire tree) into the kamui dimension. Then there totsuka blade(seals you into some weird realm forever), inextinguishable flames that have been stated to be as hot as the sun, genjutsu/tp(which can include but not limited to mind control, standard illusion, reality warping illusions, time warping illusions, etc.. all via brief eye contact or pointing or a glance in some cases) rinnegan wielding uchiha's have soul stealing(pulls the targets soul from their body), gravity/force manipulation(force push, force pull, turning those targeted into mini moon cores), the ability to animate the dead but they have no free will(showcased by Nagato), revived the dead completely or spirits in some cases(showcased by Nagato, Obito, Madara, Sage of 6 paths), etc..

They biggest problems though are combat speed(not travel speed) the ninja's have better combat speed than avengers team imo along with the fact half of the uchiha legends team are immortal and the other two have the ability to go intangible Kabuto via water logia technique and Obito via teleporting his body into a different dimension.

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The mighty God of Thunder solos

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@vintage_spiderman: Reality warping makes them useless though. Seriously, and Thor still solos. Madara might a continent buster. Thor is easily a planet buster.

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#21  Edited By MudaMudaMuda

@tony_shark: Sorry for the late reply. I didn't get a notification.

@tony_shark said:

@mudamudamuda:

Obito has not shown to do that right off the bat and Thor would just blitz him once he senses the source, as he can sense the chakra as an energy source.

True an in-character Obito probably wouldn't do that, but this is Edo Obito. Which means that he is under Kabuto's control and forced to go all out whether he likes it or not. Thor doesn't have the combat speed feats to suggest he could Blitz an Uchiha at least from what I know, but even if he could there is nothing to stop Obito from simply going intangible.

It does matter? Again, whats stopping him from hitting them all out of orbit? Then finishing them off while confused in space? What's stopping him from leveling the entiere battle field?

1) Thor does not just randomly throw people into orbit.

2 ) He'd first have to catch them to do that. Obito can use dimensional phasing to go intangible and do the same to his friends. Madara and Itachi are both experts at using clones and substitution for decoys so how is Thor supposed to get the real body ?

3 )These Uchihas are Edos. Tossing them into orbit won't do much as they are already dead so they have nothing to worry about and they could use their clones to do aerial maneuvers and get back to the battlefield.

4) Leveling the battlefield as in destroying the planet ? If so then he won't do it because it is neither in character for him, nor will he do it with the other avengers around. Additionally what planet busting feats does Thor have ? We know that he is easily planetary in durability but when did he actually bust a planet ?

The problem with your logic is that you really want Uchiha to win, but you used the wrong Avengers team.

Umm... are you sure you are not confusing me for someone else ?

Sunfire could easily take on Obito and Itachi, Wonderman is strong enough to take on Madara. Wolverine is an excellent infantry. Scarlet Witch reality warping could just null their regeneration or their abilities.

But I already said that the avengers as a team could win. My point is that Thor does not solo. Sure if these were standard Uchiha then he could OS them, but Edo bodies is a massive boost.

And then you add Thor, who is a galactic-level powerhouse. When he does not hold back, he is unstoppable. And he won't seeing that his teammates are in danger. He could just send them to another realmdimensions.

Not before he gets tele-dismembered by Obito who has much better combat speed feats.

Obito can't come back unless he can synch to it, but he wouldn't have that chance.

Incorrect. Obito can not teleport into pocket dimensions without synchronizing with the user first. Getting out is a completely different matter as he could just teleport into kamui dimension then from kamui dimension to the real world.

You're trying to compare characters who together are barely strong enough to level a small nation, and that's mostly Madara, to a character who is a planet busting leveler, has delt with much stronger opponents and techniques, immortals, demons, magicians, and has literally centuries of more experience.

That doesn't matter when the characters have the hax required to deal with him.

So yeah, Thor solos. Hard.

I have no problem accepting that Thor solos. However you will first have to prove so though, which you have yet to do.

So for now. No, Thor does not solo and he gets killed by Obito.

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#22  Edited By BboyBreezi

Okay so obviously many are not reading my thread properly.

1. First i said that for all the characters in the Avengers, only feats from the Avenger comic and animated series are allowed. This is to ensure the power level for all of the heroes stays at the level it was when they were in the Avengers. So unless Thor was exploding planets and throwing Mjionir at light speeds while he was in the Avengers YOU CANNOT USE IT. No ridiculous feats from other series allowed, its not the proper power representation of the Avengers as a whole.

2. Now these are the major threats to the Avengers that Marvel fans need to address
- Obito's Kamui as he is untouchable (intangibility) and can rip people in dimensions
- Obito has both of his Mangekyo Sharigans now so he can use both Kamui abilities simultaneously (just like Kakashi did when Obito gave him his last sharigan in the Kaguya fight)
-Only physical attacks work on Madara and Itachi due to Madara having the Rinnegan which can absorb all energy types and Itachi's Yatta Mirror which also deflects all energy attacks
-Madara's soul rip using the Rinnegan
-Itachi's genjustsu's (especially Tsukiyomi and Kotoamatsukami) which only a sharigan user has shown to resist
-All three have Susanoo with Madara and Obito having Full Susanoo (as Obito has both of his Sharigan so it would be the exact same as Kakashi's Full Susanoo which can fly and throw Kamui Shurikens that slice targets in half in a dimension, becoming unblockable)
-Itachi's Susanoo with the Yatta Mirror and the Sword of Totsuka which seals a target inside the sword's gourge in a realm of infinite genjutsu's
-Madara's Susanoo power which was able to slice mountain ranges in half with one slice of its katana
-All three have unlimited charkra, stamina and are immortal meaning they can use their most powerful techniques without its drawbacks ie Susanoo
-The Avengers lack of knowledge of the Edo Tensei and the three Uchiha's
-The Avengers lack of knowledge of the Sharigan, genjutsu, the Rinnegan's abilties and Obito's Kamui
-Madara, Obito and Itachi combat speed
-The Avengers lack of knowledge of Ninja tatics like clones, replacement jutsu and flicker jutsu

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@bboybreezi: So you haxed the Uchihas to ridiculous levels and nerfed the Avengers?

Kind of biased.

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@bboybreezi: So you haxed the Uchihas to ridiculous levels and nerfed the Avengers?

Kind of biased.

It does kinda seem like the Uchiha have been pumped up. The Edos need to be sealed ... nobody on the Avengers can do that, or incapacitated... not sure how they can do that either vs. genjutsu spawning, infinite chakra, time/space warpers...

Kotoamatsukami = 1 Avenger out of the fight immediately.

Totsuka sword should work on everyone except for maybe Scarlet Witch and maybe Wonder Man (not sure how it affects a man made out of energy).

Remove Edo status and we maybe have a fight here.

This is a mismatch...

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@nothingclever: I still think Thor can hit them out of orbit. Since only feats count, then he can do it. He did it to Gorr and sent him hundreds of lightyears away.

Obito isn't ripping anyone's head since he never did that. And he is too fast for them. But yeah, OP clearly wanted uchiha to win

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@tony_shark: I agree that if Thor has the potential to smite them into orbit. Though I could see the various Edo's fracturing at Mjolnir's kiss rather than staying whole and being blasted into orbit.

Kotoamatsukami is way OP and instantaneous. And Thor just looks like the MVP of the team and is likely to be targeted first. Also, Obito can't really be BFR-ed. There is a good chance IMHO that Rinnegan abilities could outright cancel out Mjolnir. Yata mirror definitely counters Mjolnir and probably anything else the Avengers team throws at it.

I'm not knocking Thor. It's just that he is up against HAX manga abilities. If he avoids being controlled/trapped in a Sharingan technique and uses some of his ultimate abilities he could possibly immobilize his opponents but he has no way of sealing them.

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#27  Edited By Tony_Shark

@nothingclever: Well I am pretty sure he cannot be controlled. It is a form of TP and even Emma Frost could not do it.

However, there is also Wonder Man and Scarlet Witch. Two very heavy hitters. Thor has enough support to get through these hax abilities.

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@tony_shark: I'm not doubting Thor's TP ressistance feats but he is facing ninja magic which, if it works as described, is unblockable and should definitely affect Thor. In Uncanny Avengers Honest John was able to control him with his illusions. Avengers definitely put up a fight but they can't seal the ninja team.

If they weren't Edos I believe this would be competitive.

Wonder Man is definitely an X factor. He's got sufficient strength and speed and being made of energy should be difficult to harm... but Rinnegan users absorb energy...

If Scarlet witch is fast enough she could "no more ninjas" them.

I am not sure how Rogue's abilities would affect a ninja.

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#29  Edited By BboyBreezi

Remember that Iron Man and Hulk are there for back up if the Avengers need help. I also believe that Thor's physical strength will be enough to give Itachi and Madara a hard time even if he cant use any energy or magic based attacks. Thor's physical strength should be able to crack through Itachi's Susanoo with powerful strikes as Yatta Mirror only protects Itachi from the front so if one of the Avengers like Wonder Man and Scarlet Witch attack Itachi from the front with constant energy Thor can quickly fly to the rear of Itachi's Susanoo and land a striking blow with Mjolnir, as the rear of a Susanoo is known as the weak point like when Danzo attacked Sasuke's Susanoo at the rear.
Madara's is quite harder though as his is complete as pretty much his whole Susanoo is covered in Armor and also he stands within the forehead gem. Though it hasnt got the defense of Itachi's with the Yatta Mirror it has no weak spot like Itachi's and due to Madara having the Rinnegan it restricts the enemy to only using physical attacks. It has been shown that Madara's Full Susanoo defense has been broken through with him and Harashima when he covered the Kyuubi in it but Madara did not have the Rinnegan at the time so Harashima was able to use energy based attacks against him, including his most powerful one. I see Madara as a big threat but i still believe the Avengers team work can defeat him. Due to his power, Kabuto cannot actually control him and as Madara being himself, he will not fight in the begining and probably allow Obito and Itachi to fight until he see's that the Avengers deserve his presence.
But who i believe will be the hardest out of everyone is actually Obito as his Kamui makes him very hard to land a attack and also very dangerous.
I reckon people should explain a plausible situation that can work like i did with Itachi rather than saying he can solo without any proof.

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#30  Edited By ssj_god

@nothingclever:

what ninja magic?... you are calling jutsus magic?

@bboybreezi said:

Remember that Iron Man and Hulk are there for back up if the Avengers need help.

how stupid....... naruto team's only chance is sharingan hypnosis..... which i don't see effecting thor.. even wanda... even cap have feats of resisting tp with strong will power...

aaand... i don't see other things having any effect on the likes of thor.

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#31  Edited By NothingClever

@ssj_god: Yeah, Is it not magic? Genjutsu does not seem like traditional TP to me. Chakra basically seems like magic. It is a system for manipulating naturally occurring physical and spiritual as well as ambient "energy" with hand signals, scrolls, seals, etc. That sounds a lot like magic. What do you consider it?

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@nothingclever said:

@ssj_god: Yeah, Is it not magic? Genjutsu does not seem like traditional TP to me. Chakra basically seems like magic. What do you consider it?

genjutsu is hypnosis (a very powerful one) now you can argue all day long if hypnosis is traditional tp or not.

chakra seems like body stamina or energy to me...... same like 'ki' in dbz, 'spirit energy' in bleach etc etc..

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@ssj_god: Are you joking? Kotoamatsukami is absolute, it is the most powerful genjutsu other than Infinite Tsukiyomi. It projects memories and images in the brain to the target in their past and history which misleads them to thinking that they are doing their actions on their own free will. This why no one can resist it as its impossible to realize that you are being controlled as due to the manipulation within your memories and past, you believe that you are in control. Only a powerful sharigan user might be able to realize but that feat has never been shown. It only grants the weilder one command on an individual but Itachi could just command Thor that the Avengers are his most hated enemies. This can even make him bloodlusted against the Avengers as a series of memories will be implanted in his brain of the Avengers killing his family or attacking Azgard and they will completely change his character.

And what the hell Cap?? He ant going to resist shit. Itachi will just point at him and he'll be under a genjutsu.

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@ssj_god: It is definitely similar to other fantasy/sci-fi "energies" such as Ki/Chi or... Mana.

It is an extremely formalized system of very specific gestures, actions, patterns, contracts, etc. which seems very much like traditional magic.

Genjustsu is of course hypnosis but I believe it to be of a fundamentally magic nature. If Kotoamatsukami, Izanami/Izanagi, and the Totsuka sword work as described and demonstrated in the manga then I see no reason they should not work on Thor. Thor is vulnerable to illusions: Honest John for example.

I want to vote Avengers, I prefer them as a team and comic series but Team Sharinnegan is just so HAX.

I'm pretty sure Amaterasu could do some damage to most of the team. I don't know about Hulk, Thor, or Wonderman given their durability/resistances though.

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@nothingclever: True. I side with you on the nature of genjutsu and chakra manipulation as being alot closer to magic rather than TP. Genjutsu uses charkra to essentially manipulate a targets brain functions and senses. Especially Sharigan genjutsu as unlike tp which uses the mind to manipulate the mind, it uses charkra transfered through eye contact to manipulate a targets brain functions.
Also what you said about Amaterasu, its going to be very deadly against people like Captain America and Wolverine.

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@bboybreezi said:

@ssj_god: Are you joking? Kotoamatsukami is absolute, it is the most powerful genjutsu other than Infinite Tsukiyomi. It projects memories and images in the brain to the target in their past and history which misleads them to thinking that they are doing their actions on their own free will. This why no one can resist it as its impossible to realize that you are being controlled as due to the manipulation within your memories and past, you believe that you are in control. Only a powerful sharigan user might be able to realize but that feat has never been shown. It only grants the weilder one command on an individual but Itachi could just command Thor that the Avengers are his most hated enemies. This can even make him bloodlusted against the Avengers as a series of memories will be implanted in his brain of the Avengers killing his family or attacking Azgard and they will completely change his character.

And what the hell Cap?? He ant going to resist shit. Itachi will just point at him and he'll be under a genjutsu.

thor resisted mondragon with mind gem's (one of the infinity gems) mind control...... resisted mephiso's (lord of hell) mind control... i hardly see how naruto genjutsus gonna effect him............

@nothingclever said:

@ssj_god: It is definitely similar to other fantasy/sci-fi "energies" such as Ki/Chi or... Mana.

It is an extremely formalized system of very specific gestures, actions, patterns, contracts, etc. which seems very much like traditional magic.

Genjustsu is of course hypnosis but I believe it to be of a fundamentally magic nature. If Kotoamatsukami, Izanami/Izanagi, and the Totsuka sword work as described and demonstrated in the manga then I see no reason they should not work on Thor. Thor is vulnerable to illusions: Honest John for example.

I want to vote Avengers, I prefer them as a team and comic series but Team Sharinnegan is just so HAX.

I'm pretty sure Amaterasu could do some damage to most of the team. I don't know about Hulk, Thor, or Wonderman given their durability/resistances though.

you believe... yeah.. sure... it is a strong hypnosis... you can describe everything of a genjutsu with hypnosis..... some have conditions to break the hypnosis (izanami) some doesn't (infinite tsukuyomi) but either way... those are strong hypnosis... thor have broken better mind controls..

totsuka sword is a sealing technique.. even if you call it magic... i don't see how it can overpower asgardian magic.

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Thor destroys the Earth, game over.

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@bboybreezi: Thank you!

@ssj_god It seems like we can agree on a few points, which is somewhat rare on the Vine, lol. This is the problem with Comic vs. Manga fights. Manga tend to have extreme/HAX abilities and not nearly as much "page time" as long-running comics.

As @bboybreezi pointed out, Kotoamaktsukami is absolute. Again, Hax. The same could be said for Totsuka Sword. It just works the way it is supposed to: seals victim in an eternal dream without hierarchical power limitations. The sword sealed a rampaging uber-snake mode Orochimaru and also seal an Edo Rinnegan user (who probably should have been able to absorb it and be fine but I believe he was sneak-attacked with it). It really should work on Thor. I think we're getting off track by saying certain things that work a certain way in their respective universes just won't work here. Mjolnir works fine in this fight. Yata Mirror, Totsuka Sword, Kotoamatsukami should as well. If they work as stated the Avengers are screwed.

Thor is vulnerable to magic. Again I point out Honest John appearing as Odin to him and commanding him to fight his own team. Now, we don't know the origin of Honest John's powers, but we can assume he isn't a mutant. Possibly magic. Possibly superscience. Possibly Cosmic Rays... I dunno. But it worked on Thor. He is pretty highly resistant to TP so I'm guessing it was not TP.

Again, if the Ninja Team were not Edo's I would be arguing differently because Sunfire, for example would literally shine in this fight. Team Ninja could actually die so Thor smiting with Mjolnir would be highly effective. Rogue Draining life after borrowing some power from her teammates (in order to be able to keep up) would be very effective. Not sure if she could use Chakra but one good kiss and her victim is down.(and she gets really cool eyes for a bit). Hulk smashes obviously. Etc. As Edos they are basically invincible to standard techniques employed by the Avengers who have no way of knowing about sealing their enemies.

This just isn't a fair fight.

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@nothingclever: Thor hits them hard enough tk send them out of orbit. He has done this. With his team, an opening will present itself.

Edos or not, they are not coming back from a hit like that.

TP genjutsu doesnt work on him. So.

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@tony_shark: Dude, did you read previous posts? Genjutsu is not straight TP. Did nobody read Uncanny Avengers? Honest John. Look him up.

As far as BFR Obito's natural Sharingan ability gives him teleportation/space warping. So he is definitely coming back from it. Given the way Edos respond to extreme damage they would most likely shatter, and subsequently reform, from a Thor or Hulk level blow (rather than staying intact and being blasted into orbit).

Thor is not getting past Kotoamatsukami (which Itachi may be able to spam due to possessing both of Shisui's eyes and limitless Chakra). Or Totsuka Sword. One swipe could potentially take out the whole Avengers team. Half of that team will fall to Itachi's genjutsu (where he simply points at you). Obito could easily warp most of the Avengers team (I imagine the heavy hitters could resist being partially warped due to ridiculous durability and proven resistance to black holes but I see no reason they can't be wholly BFR-ed). And the Ninjas have a clear speed advantage over most of the Avengers team.

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#41  Edited By 106me

I can honestly see a pissed off Thor solo-ing.

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Thor tosses them through this portal.

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Thor is easily FTL. Seeing as he's going all out, they wouldn't have to to react to him. Also, most Genjustu works by controlling the chakra in the brain of the victim, seeing as these guys don't have chakra, most of them won't work except maybe the high up ones. Even if he knows of their abilities, a bloodlusted Thor would speedblitz so hard it's not funny. He and Scarlet Witch are real MVPs here. Anyway, I feel like the OP really nerfed the Avengers and amped the Uchihas just to make them win. Thor throws Mjolnir. It destroys the entire landscape by accident.

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@nightway said:

Thor is easily FTL. Seeing as he's going all out, they wouldn't have to to react to him. Also, most Genjustu works by controlling the chakra in the brain of the victim, seeing as these guys don't have chakra, most of them won't work except maybe the high up ones. Even if he knows of their abilities, a bloodlusted Thor would speedblitz so hard it's not funny. He and Scarlet Witch are real MVPs here. Anyway, I feel like the OP really nerfed the Avengers and amped the Uchihas just to make them win. Thor throws Mjolnir. It destroys the entire landscape by accident.

that is not true though..... genjutsu's work on same ways... strong or weak... if strong genjutsu effects organisms without chakra... so would weak genjutsus... it's not like their work process changes as they are 'strong' genjutsus.

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Thor is not soloing!! If i made a thread with just Thor verse these three modified Edo Uchiha's, he's going to get urberstomped in seconds. He couldn't even stand a chance against Itachi alone.

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Thor is not soloing anything

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@kirbstomp: @bboybreezi: You both clearly do not read enough comics with Thor. He is galactic-level powerhouse. These three have nothing to put him down.

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#48  Edited By Zenux

People who say Avengers win, please read both mangas again. Please.

Narutoverse takes the win. How you ask? OP gave them way too much power that's why (which, in Itachi's case, is impossible...how can he take Shihui's eyes but still has his own powers?!)

1. Immortality. Except Kabuto everyone's immortal on Narutoverse and not just that, they have infinite chakra i.e. stamina and energy. They can spam their best moves cause they never tire out or 'run out of chakra' or feel any pain. In the given set of Avengers, only Thor is immortal but he gets tired.

2. Kotoamatsukami. This solos out every possible battles in every possible match scenario and not just against Avengers. This is an insane ability. Unless you have someone who is faster than light, you are a goner. *Thor fans getting happy* Don't be. By the time Thor lifts up his hammer to throw, he and rest of them will already be under Kotoamatsukami. To escape, he himself needs to accelerate almost equal to light, not just his hammer. This is the only genjutsu in existence that doesn't require eye contact.

3. Confusion about genjutsu's working. Genjutsu is not your typical hypnosis or mind trick. It doesn't just mess with your head...it controls your whole body. Chakra is just like your energy in Marvel world as it is it's clearly said in Naruto that you die when you run out of chakra...just like you die when you get too fatigued. Difference is that in Naruto, they can control this chakra/energy. When you get in a genjutsu, your enegy is in the control of the caster. The amount of energy you posses becomes trivial. The more energy you posses, the more I can use you against you and your friends. Even your will power becomes useless. And since no one in this set of Avengers know how to counter a normal genjutsu, they can't escape. Not to talk about Kotoamatsukami cause that can't be broken. Period.

4. The paths of pain. Tendo can deflect any projectiles, even energy blasts. Human path can take out soul of anyone and he doesn't even need to touch anyone. Preta path can absorb any and all energies. Not to mention his summons, multi headed dog that can never be killed.

5. Hand to hand battle. Needless to say, none of the avengers can last even seconds against any of them. Moreover they have sharingans and rinnegans which give them ability to anticipate the opponents move before even they know.

6. Kamui. Obito can make anything pass through him and with both eyes he can do same for others at the same time. How fast is kamui? Watch the pain arc. Kakashi used kamui on an incoming nail while he was almost all out of chakra and too tired and did it so fast that even Rinnegan couldn't notice it and Kakashi had no practice using it, hell he wasn't even an uchiha. Here we have Obito which uses Kamui on a daily basis and is adept at its use.

Still need more proof?

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Thor solos

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@zenux: Yeah, I agree with you, the Avengers got nerfed here, enough for Uchiha and Kabuto to win. Only problem is, the naruto wank on this site is so high people tend to severely automatically lowball them due to Naruto fanboys waking their characters to multiversal levels (yes, that happened).