The "Avengers" vs JL

I noticed people use the avengers(which is not really great) against the JL which has a monster line up of heavy hitters and it ends up a curbstomp in favor of the JL

I want to make a team I think will make for a better(fair) match up. I think people go in knowing it's a miss match and makes for easy bragging rights. try this team for size.

takes place in an abandoned new york city

win by death/ko

all in character (but can change if pushed)

no BFR

Thor
ww/hulk
sentry
silver surfer
Quasar
hyperion
nova
rogue

VS

Superman
flash
wonder woman
martian manhunter
green lantern
batman
cyborg
captain marvel

DC's still has WAY more heavy hitters......and Batman apparently but the inclusion of the Surfer makes me hesitant to say they win.

Justice League.

@GunGunW said:

Wait, wait, wait... No, Silver Surfer can pull this off... can't he casually solo DBZ? Everyone always says he can.

With the way people talk about him and his powerset he should be almost unbeatable. No reason why he can't just turn everyone in to butterflies or something stupid. That's the impression I get.

Other than Surfer it's Thor and Sentry vs the entire League.......and Batman. Flash (or someone) blitzes Spidey, Rogue and Black Bolt. GL crushes Iron Man. Cap Marvel takes Hulk and then it's 2 vs 3 till the rest of the League is finished. Surfer's the wild card.

@Pokeysteve said:

@GunGunW said:

Wait, wait, wait... No, Silver Surfer can pull this off... can't he casually solo DBZ? Everyone always says he can.

With the way people talk about him and his powerset he should be almost unbeatable. No reason why he can't just turn everyone in to butterflies or something stupid. That's the impression I get.

Other than Surfer it's Thor and Sentry vs the entire League.......and Batman. Flash (or someone) blitzes Spidey, Rogue and Black Bolt. GL crushes Iron Man. Cap Marvel takes Hulk and then it's 2 vs 3 till the rest of the League is finished. Surfer's the wild card.

doubt that. spidey has spider sense and agility, not easy to tag. anyone dumb enough to touch rogue is sapped, making her a problem. black bolt could wipe out half the team (wonder how his voice effects super hearing?). sufer, thor and sentry god-cosmic-junkie-stomp left overs.

@LordMasterGod said:

@Pokeysteve said:

@GunGunW said:

Wait, wait, wait... No, Silver Surfer can pull this off... can't he casually solo DBZ? Everyone always says he can.

With the way people talk about him and his powerset he should be almost unbeatable. No reason why he can't just turn everyone in to butterflies or something stupid. That's the impression I get.

Other than Surfer it's Thor and Sentry vs the entire League.......and Batman. Flash (or someone) blitzes Spidey, Rogue and Black Bolt. GL crushes Iron Man. Cap Marvel takes Hulk and then it's 2 vs 3 till the rest of the League is finished. Surfer's the wild card.

doubt that. spidey has spider sense and agility, not easy to tag. anyone dumb enough to touch rogue is sapped, making her a problem. black bolt could wipe out half the team (wonder how his voice effects super hearing?). sufer, thor and sentry god-cosmic-junkie-stomp left overs.

6 of the 8 on the League team are near light speeders......Spidey's getting one shotted. Rogue is also getting KO'd before she knows what's going on. Black Bolt's voice is probably very effective against super hearing. It'd also be very effective against the rest of his own team lol. Surfer, Sentry and Thor are the only real threats.

Justice League ftw

Yeah, the inclusion of SS threw me off too. It's the only character to tilt the scales.... even though some how (through shitty writing) Huk and Thor stand a chance against him. In which case so does JL.

Flash distracts SS......

Black Bolt can't use his powers without hurting his own team, So Batman subdues him. and then sit back to chow down on popcorn and watch the show.

Spiderman, Rogue and Iron Man get crushed by Green Lantern & Cyborg (but mainly GL)

Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel take down Thor....

Superman punts Hulk out of the atmosphere...

Martian Manhunter takes down Sentry.

Everyone gangs up on SS and wins...

Meanwhile Hulk somehow finds his way back even angrier, and he gets furious when he sees that everyone is dead.... he goes crazy!!!! and then get's pummeled to "death" in seconds.

Just changed the roster. maybe now it's better.

I don't think we will see speedblitz with morals on.

Superman can be defeated by thor,ss i think sentry too if he manipulates the light.

If surefer is imune to telepathy he will make the difference.It will be either win for marvel or stalemate because they will not be able to get their hands on flash :)

@iamthewolf88: No, Batman will just watch the show, he ain't subduing BB.

Rogue and Batman really aren't gonna do anything here. Hulk is also on a serious disadvantage, he will get pick apart by GL and Flash imo. Surfer, Thor, Sentry(due to the Void) and Nova(Worldmind) would be able to resist J'onn tp though. There's really a lot of ways this fight could play out. But since this is in characters battle, Thor(being a crucial player) will hold back unnecessarily like he always does. So I could see how that would give JL the serious advantage here.

Not really sure what Batman can do here besides stay on the sidelines out of the firefight...That said I'm still leaning towards the Justice League, but open to be swayed.....EDIT: Surfer is the wildcard for Team MARVEL imo. Depending on what mood he's in. If we're talking the "I don't want to harm life" pacifist Surfer, than the League would probably win after a tough fight. If this is pissed off "I'm going to incinerate my enemy" Surfer, then the League is in trouble.

keep in mind the morls can change if people are pushed to it

@emmbro30 said:

For what it is worth, here is my weigh in. Depending on his mental state, Sentry may be the detriment of his own team if Martian Manhunter gains mental control of him. With Silver Surfer's ability to go beyond light-speed, I think he will make short work of the scarlet speedster. From there SS will lead in assists. I can see a number of stale-mates here. Thor & Superman, Quasar & Green Lantern, and Sentry & Captain Marvel. WW Hulk vs. Martian Manhunter is going to depend on the first few seconds of the fight. If Hulk quickly takes the upper hand, then it would be all over for the JLA. With Martian Manhunter down and SS's assists, this would have to be an Avengers victory. Now should MM get the advantage on the Hulk and take his mind, then I think it would come down to SS vs. JLA, and I am not sure SS would be up to the task, leaving the JLA victorious. Like I said it will come down to how fast MM is taken care of.

you didn't factor in hyperion. and didn't xavier fail to control hulk? don't se mm doing it if porf x couldn't. and ppl overshadow rogue. she can be an issue

@emmbro30 said:

@LordMasterGod said:

@emmbro30 said:

For what it is worth, here is my weigh in. Depending on his mental state, Sentry may be the detriment of his own team if Martian Manhunter gains mental control of him. With Silver Surfer's ability to go beyond light-speed, I think he will make short work of the scarlet speedster. From there SS will lead in assists. I can see a number of stale-mates here. Thor & Superman, Quasar & Green Lantern, and Sentry & Captain Marvel. WW Hulk vs. Martian Manhunter is going to depend on the first few seconds of the fight. If Hulk quickly takes the upper hand, then it would be all over for the JLA. With Martian Manhunter down and SS's assists, this would have to be an Avengers victory. Now should MM get the advantage on the Hulk and take his mind, then I think it would come down to SS vs. JLA, and I am not sure SS would be up to the task, leaving the JLA victorious. Like I said it will come down to how fast MM is taken care of.

you didn't factor in hyperion. and didn't xavier fail to control hulk? don't se mm doing it if porf x couldn't. and ppl overshadow rogue. she can be an issue

I think Hyperion will most definately give WW a run for her money. Also I do not overshadow or under estimate Rogue. I think she will make short work of Bat-man. Nova will take Cyborg, but for me MM could be the real game changer for the JLA. If not the Hulk, then possibly Sentry with his fractured psyche.

you say you don't underestimate rogue then say she will make short work of batman lol sentry has tp too, so i'm sure that won't go as easily as you think.

@Ddecourt: It was mainly a joke. :)

@emmbro30: SS FTL isn't battle speed, it's travel speed. other than that I sort of agree.

I think its a win for the Avengers on this one, usually I would say its an easy win for JL but with this line up, things could be different the for the Avengers.

The only real threats to the justice league are SS and Sentry, I say JLA wins the majority.

@emmbro30 said:

For what it is worth, here is my weigh in. Depending on his mental state, Sentry may be the detriment of his own team if Martian Manhunter gains mental control of him. With Silver Surfer's ability to go beyond light-speed, I think he will make short work of the scarlet speedster. From there SS will lead in assists. I can see a number of stale-mates here. Thor & Superman, Quasar & Green Lantern, and Sentry & Captain Marvel. WW Hulk vs. Martian Manhunter is going to depend on the first few seconds of the fight. If Hulk quickly takes the upper hand, then it would be all over for the JLA. With Martian Manhunter down and SS's assists, this would have to be an Avengers victory. Now should MM get the advantage on the Hulk and take his mind, then I think it would come down to SS vs. JLA, and I am not sure SS would be up to the task, leaving the JLA victorious. Like I said it will come down to how fast MM is taken care of.

If Xavier literally buckled at even attempting to take on WWHulk's mind, I don't see J'onn being too successful. That said WWH couldn't hurt J'onn thanks to his phasing and J'onn could definitely hurt WWHulk so that's a win for J'onn if the green dudes go at it.

@theDCkid said:

The only real threats to the justice league are SS and Sentry, I say JLA wins the majority.

You have to be a true fanboy to think that. Well your name is theDCkid...

JL4L

Revamped team Marvel with ease

i think Marvel for the win, but very very difficultly. Silver Surfer and Sentry will lead Team Marvel to victory

JLA in a hard fought win

This is close, but I think Surfer is too much, morals on Surfer loose, but bloodlusted he would just speedblitz everyone and turn them into mice or something like that.