The African Lion vs The North American Grizzly Bear

Why do people keep bumping this?

The Bear because they are bigger, stronger and and is more durable. Lions advantage would be only speed.

GB.

Grizzly wins due to it's greater strength and durability

Lion takes it... blubber will not help.

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Lion could win, but the bears have better chance due to the size advantage. The lion would have to out manoeuvre the bear to win the fight. There are cases of Siberian Tigers killing brown bears, but you have to take in consideration that the Siberian Tiger outweighs the lion by nearly 100lbs and generally will ambush the bear.

I'm rooting for the lion.

The bear's got some tough skin under that fuzz but he's also a bigger more cumbersome target for the fast lion.

Lion.

The Grizzly easily wins a straight up fight with a lion.

1. The bear is far stronger than the lion. It has the power to crush a bull's skull in a single swipe, which is more than enough power to kill a lion in a single hit.

2. The bear is far more durable. The lion won't be able to damage it anywhere near as quickly as the bear can kill the lion.

3. Grizzly bears are very fast and agile, they are not slow. They would be able to fight the lion blow for blow, as the much smaller black bear was able to do. The lion does not have an "agility" advantage at all.

4. All of the big game animals that lions kill they kill in packs. An elephant, a rhino, a hippo, or a buffalo would slaughter any single lion. Grizzly bears are capable of taking down big prey by themselves.

See how quickly a hippo one shots this lionness, even with the entire rest of the pride attacking the hippo. There's no way any lion can stand up to a Grizzly:

Polar bears kill enormous animals like walrus and beluga whales by themselves, and they are not far off from a grizzly. A grizzly has longer claws than a polar bear and similar power.

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this is actually completely wrong this gives rise to let fools be fools grizzly bears are highly territorial and exceptionally when they have cubs considering they have grizzly bears usually stay away from human settlements because they are highly aggressive black bears are different they have bigger cubs at birth then grizzly bears a grizzly bear is very unsocialable sunbears are very non aggressive u my good sir is wat we call a person who know a whole lotta nothing but wrong facts here let me tell u what u need to do go back to school and take physical science they will talk to u about animals i think its the equivalent of having a brain of a 5th grader this is a big boys debate if u have legit facts about lions that cannot be unproven and btw grizzlies are omnivores because we have most apex predators are ominivore its survival of the fittest darwins theory check it up not the survival of who eats the most meat im not saying a lion has no chance against a grizzly im saying more times over a grizzly would win grizzly bear are known for snapping the necks of buffalo and other large mammal(creatures with mammary glands) a grizzly bear doesnt have to kill something because its hungry sometimes its invasion of its territory and grizzly bears dont attack humans as much because they dont make thier territories around human settlement like black bears have been pushed to human settlements i have alot more i could say i would also like that link if u even have one and didnt just come up with some stupid things to say to sound like u know what u r talking about oh and i can send u like 6 links right off the bat about grizzlies and lions kk u ostrich oh meaning by that they have smaller brains than thier eyeballs check it up

A grizzly bear can destroy a bison's head in a cage match. Lion stands little chance. Doesnt weigh enough. Weaker. Combat speed of the bear is enough to tag the lion easy.

@the_man_of_yesteryear: Is there prep time?

Really is this a question. They are animals not Batman. Plus its not like the animals can practice against each other.

@deathshead2: Grizzly Bear FTW. Lions don't usually fight predators TWICE their own size! Might as well be a Bobcat versus a Black Bear! Lol!

They are both bloodlusted and want to kill each other. but Grizzly wins. Have you seen it's paws!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bear breaks lions neck

950 pounds is very small for a Grizzly bear

GB. Male lions are a bit over 400lbs not 550lbs op. Lions are more agile, but not enough to make a difference. GB's are far more powerful.

Lion wins cux he's better adapted to fighting unlike the bear and he's also faster and more aggressive and has razor sharp claws and teeth with strength

In this case, blubber wins when the weight class is well over-exceeded than the opponent's weight class, and there is not much skill gap.

Bear wins easily. They weigh a lot more and are more powerful. Lion's best chance would be to start running.

via ambush........lion

via face-to-face........bear

according to popular belief, they used to make these animals fight each others all the time in the 18th century and the bears always won against all the big cats.

it's also true that where there's such a big weight difference, the heavier animal usually wins

so i think GB wins

The Bear at least 9/10, the skull of a Lion can't withstand many swipes from a Grizzly. This isn't really up for debate, a Tiger would stand a slightly better chance but the Bear should still win.

Bear literally one shots. A swipe from one can one shot 1000 lb elk and crush a bull's skull.

Bear. Bigger, stronger, badder.

Depends. If the Grizzly isn't hungry, then it gets slaughters. Bears aren't the most aggressive animals, and don't like getting into physical encounters unless necessary. I've seen Cougars (who are 2-3x smaller) and Grey Wolves fend off Grizzlies. A much bigger, powerful Lion would tear it to shreds. Those things are ultra aggressive and great fighters. If the bear is hungry or protecting the young, that's another story. It could go either way, but I'm still putting my money on the Lion.

Lol at all the people saying Bear's stomp. It's one thing to have the tools to win, it's another to actually know how to use them. Grizzly Bears are not aggressive at all and have been beaten by much smaller animals. Also, they almost always eat fish and plants, and are not used to taking on such big challenges.

@petey_is_spidey: OP states bloodlust for both, so your comments are irrelevant.

Besides, bloodlusted or not, a GB is not gonna stand still while the lion mauls it. Even if it is not the first to attack because it is less aggressive, it will still defend itself.

And also, male lions are also not known for being very vicious. They are actually quite lazy, sleeping 18 - 20 hours a day and not being very territorial when it comes to other animals. The females do the hunting and the bulk of the fighting.

@cpt_nice: Still doesn't matter. There have been cases of Cougars fending off and holding their own against Grizzlies. Same could be said for Wolf Packs. This is in no shape or form a stomp of for the Grizzly.

Fending off =/= beating. A wolf pack is irrelevant, multiple assailants is a huge disadvantage for a GB, who is bulky and slow, which is not an issue in this case.

And in those instances it was probably not a bloodlusted bear, this time it is. You are right in that bears are not the most aggressive of animals, but in this case it is out for blood and it is gonna use its enormous size and strength advantage. And it has the power to potentially one shot, if it can get a good hit in.

I would not say it is a stomp, but it is leaning towards it. And putting money on the lion, like you state, is dumb.

Except for the fact that very few "Deaths by swipe" have actually been reported/recorded. It can most definitely kill a human in a single swipe, and even a 125 lb Grey Wolf, however any mammal larger would take more than just one. A single bear swipe is NO WHERE near enough to kill a 180 lb cougar, let alone a 435 lb Lion, who have been known to take a hyena bite to the neck and skull (1,100 psi). The fact that you guys think it one shots the Lion is laughable, seeing as it has taken much more. A Giraffe can kick with 1500+ lbs of force, and Lions have been recorded to survive those. No way a Grizzly one shots.

@petey_is_spidey: Still not as laughable as putting money on the obviously inferior animal.

Bear wins easily.

Ends in sex

@cpt_nice: For the most part you're right, however, "The females do the hunting and the bulk of the fighting."

This is only partly true, the whole purpose (after sperm bank) of the Alpha male in the pride is protection. While mostly that can be done by it being intimidating as shit it has to fight off other male lions to keep its dominance. The fact that it's lazy also doesn't mean it isn't better than the females, male lions hunt alone or in packs if they're not part of a pride and they're very good at it.

They're definitely the better fighter of the two animals here, but that isn't going to help it much against a Grizzly Bear.

@petey_is_spidey: Grizzly bears are pretty aggressive animals, other than polar bears (which have to be) they're probably the most aggressive bears. A Lion is not winning against one. Not sure what your point is about packs, a pack of wolves or hyenas can and have fend off lions...most animals (including lions) prefer to avoid confrontation as if they pick up an injury they can't hunt effectively and die. It doesn't matter if it takes more than one swipe, it can easily overpower a lion and do you have any idea how much time would take for a lion to kill a Grizzly?

"If the Grizzly isn't hungry, then it gets slaughters."

If your aim was to achieve the most ridiculous comment of the thread then you've already achieved it, there's no way the Lion is winning decisively as it takes way too much to put a Grizzly down.

I'm not sure where you're getting a lot of your information.

I'm not sure where your getting a lot of your information.

Many of you think the bear is one shotting the lion, which is laughable, seeing as Lions can take hits of similar force and seeing as Grizzlies aren't able to one shot much smaller animals.

Also, you guys make it seem as if the Grizzly has the absolute win, despite being much less agile and slower, and the Lion probably being the better fighter.

Lastly, have you seen a Grizzly Bear that is not contempt on catching a prey if an animal is in its way? The slightest showing of aggression from its opponent and it runs away.

@petey_is_spidey: You keep focusing on that one-shotting part, which is ridiculous when you are literally the only one who said the lion is winning this fight. News flash, it is not.

Better fighter? This is not a kungfu match. Technique and skill does not come into play. The lion is not agile or 5 times faster than the bear. This is a brawl, and the bigger and stronger animal is taking it.

And I dunno if you have Alzheimer's or something, but as stated multiple times already, both animals are bloodlusted and out to kill. Literally everything you state about the animals supposed behavior when it comes to catching prey is irrelevant.

@petey_is_spidey: "Many of you think the bear is one shotting the lion, which is laughable, seeing as Lions can take hits of similar force and seeing as Grizzlies aren't able to one shot much smaller animals."

You're generalising I never said that, doesn't strengthen your argument any either.

"Also, you guys make it seem as if the Grizzly has the absolute win, despite being much less agile and slower, and the Lion probably being the better fighter."

Actually I gave the Lion a small chance. Less agile yes, slower in what way? Not as good a fighter sure but this isn't martial arts we're talking about. The bear has a remarkable size, strength and weight advantage, it can also take a lot more punishment and has a much thicker skull. The bear has a lot more advantages and to a higher degree, so I suggest you work on a better argument than better fighter and agility that won't be killed in one blow, for the record it wouldn't take many.

"Lastly, have you seen a Grizzly Bear that is not contempt on catching a prey if an animal is in its way? The slightest showing of aggression from its opponent and it runs away."

I'd like you to prove this, I'd like you to appreciate the context and also that it's completely irrelevant here as has been pointed out to you. The Bear mauls the Lion with little damage received.

My comment was addressed to MrHamWallet, who suggested that a non aggressive Bear would beat a Lion.

And if you think speed and combat skills don't matter, your laughable. Just like in a human street fight, both are very important. A Grey Wolf would make good work of a Mastiff, despite being 70 lbs lighter. A Lion, despite being half it's size, could beat a Liger.

No this won't be a brawl. Have you even ever seen animals fight? Rarely is it ever a all out, paws flying everywhere brawl. Depending on the animals and what's at stake, it's usually paced, with short lasting, high burst of attacks followed by about 3-10 seconds of more pacing (it does largely depend on animal, though). Lions are pack animals, thus spend their whole life fighting and fending off opposing lions from their pride, or fending off potential threat. Thus the Lion is not just gonna charge in against an animal that's much larger. It will be patient and decisive. Grizzly bears are very intelligent, not putting themselves at risk of injury, especially if the pay off is not worth it. However a Grizzly's tactics are always the same; throw weight at opponent followed by a bite. The fact that you think technique, along with an animals quickness does not come into play shows how ignorant you are on the matter. Grizzly's have fast running speed (can hit 35 mph), however, they are not the quickest, especially when compared to a Lion.

I'm not saying a Lion slaughters, but people saying it's a stomp is ridiculous.

The Grizzly bear due to it's extra weight a stronger hide I believe it would win due to endurance.

Bear

@petey_is_spidey: "My comment was addressed to MrHamWallet, who suggested that a non aggressive Bear would beat a Lion."

When did I?

"And if you think speed and combat skills don't matter, your laughable."

Your analysis of this fight is laughable, this isn't a fight like humans fight. Skill only goes so far and you're completely ignoring all the bears advantages of which there are lots more and more significant ones.

"No this won't be a brawl. Have you even ever seen animals fight? Rarely is it ever a all out, paws flying everywhere brawl. Depending on the animals and what's at stake, it's usually paced, with short lasting, high burst of attacks followed by about 3-10 seconds of more pacing (it does largely depend on animal, though)."

Well you reminded me of another advantage the Bear has, being more closely related to the canine family they have great stamina. Lions are much more effective in short bursts and tire more easily, especially against stronger animals.

"The fact that you think technique, along with an animals quickness does not come into play shows how ignorant you are on the matter."

Of course it comes in to play, but you're the one being ignorant focusing on the Lions few advantages and ignoring the many advantages of the Grizzly.

"I'm not saying a Lion slaughters, but people saying it's a stomp is ridiculous."

Actually that's exactly what you said earlier.

Could a lion stand up to this?!

@zenpaktoe82:I honestly believe a male lion would stand down lol.

They aren't even "kings of the jungle".

@zenpaktoe82: I'm going to describe the video you just posted so you can see right where this went wrong lol

1. Left bear farts around a bit.

2. Cut to the tail end of a relatively harmless wrestling match in which left bear gets its ass kicked by a...cheek/ear bite? and then backs off.

3. Right bear, the larger one, must have worked itself up so hard it started puking. It pukes all over the place. At first I thought it was spit, but no. He's heaving, n it's coming his mouth out in waves. He's definately puking, dude.

4. Left bear is a d***head and pushes him during this with all the grace of a 2nd grader trying to push a 5th grader, then tries to look bigger by standing on what looks like the only log on his property.

5. Right bear gets so shook at how big this dude just got that he just opens the tap on the most unnecessarilly long piss it ever took without even bothering to stop walking.

6. Left bear escapes before the big guy can get his s**t together, and goes to tell his friends he just got jumped by 20 guys and knocked them all out like a boss.

Lol Im just playing, I'm on your side as far as the battle but for real. Im not mature. What am I supposed to do? You say "can a lion handle THIS?!" and posted a video of a bear puking and the pissing itself. Well, yea, to answer your question. It could probably handle that without getting up lmao

I'm saying a lion slaughters a non aggressive bear, who have been shown to be 'defeated' by much smaller opponents (Cougars, Wolves, even Wolverines). When looking at the size advantage, I do admit that the bear takes the slight majority, 60-40, but it isn't a stomp.

But as to you stating that a non aggressive grizzly wins, I may have misread the content of the post, but you did say this:

My post: "Lastly, have you seen a Grizzly Bear that is not contempt on catching a prey if an animal is in its way? The slightest showing of aggression from its opponent and it runs away."

I'd like you to prove this, I'd like you to appreciate the context and also that it's completely irrelevant here as has been pointed out to you. The Bear mauls the Lion with little damage received.

You may have been talking about a bloodlusted bear, but even that's a little far fetched. "Mauls with little damage." It may win, but it WILL sustain damage.

African Lion

It's about 25 seconds of biting (not ferocious biting, just one long clamp) and hugging with a few paw swipes. Followed by pucking and pissing. There are SO many more quality Grizzly fights you can find. This just looks like to sumo wrestlers trying to eat each other.

@thelocust619: but this is only one vid that shows the bear alittle worked out, u say that it was just a harmless wrestling fight. The Grizzlies are putting their very own strength in trying to pin down their oponent. There using sheer strength which you will see it as some apple pie koodos weak thing. Also there are many other different video of grizzlies fighting, and this doesnt even stand out to be the strongest out of all of them.

@petey_is_spidey: lol the best one i could fined lol, this one actually shows some intense 1 to 1 fighting too.