If Thanos had the Reality and Power Gems could he take out Mad Jim Jaspers ?
Thanos vs Mad Jim Jaspers
This is a crush madjimjaspers could annihilate and entire universe lol thanos would have trouble with a starved galactus.
King Saturn says:
"If Thanos had the Reality and Power Gems could he take out Mad Jim Jaspers ?"
I'm gonna need some info on Mad Jim Jaspers?
lordraiden says:
"No, he wouldn't! Thanos would struggle against a fully fed Galactus, he'd turn a starved galactus into his pimp!"
He really wouldn't a fully feed one can be somewhere near eternity and the others thanos can't deal with them. Thanos couldn't even deal with walker then death god who would get smashed by a highly fed galactus. By the way madjimjapser has reality manipulation to where he could get rid of a universe in a whim i think thats about as much info as you need lol.
No, he wouldn't! Thanos would struggle against a fully fed Galactus, he'd turn a starved galactus into his pimp!
Jack the Ripper says:
"I don't know if Thanos is skilled in the area of manipulating reality, if he is I feel he could winhowever Jaspers is far more experienced and so he could win if Thanos was not adequate at using the Gems stated"
yeah thanos could only with with the gems and even then they just be about equal since he could probably do something to the glove.
I don't know if Thanos is skilled in the area of manipulating reality, if he is I feel he could win
however Jaspers is far more experienced and so he could win if Thanos was not adequate at using the Gems stated
King Saturn says:
"So Thanos can do nothing to Mad Jim Jaspers even with the Infinity Gems ?"
throw in the infinity gems and that spells the end of Mr Jaspers!
With just reality and power I'd say he could beat Jaspers, Jaspers being insane I'd imagine he'd either be incredibly easy to outsmart or ridiculously difficult.
King Saturn says:
"So Thanos can do nothing to Mad Jim Jaspers even with the Infinity Gems ?"
He could but he'd have to act super fact cause if madjimjaspers decideds to turn thanos in to what he was called by captain marvels girlfriend "You eggplant looking thing" Then thanos might end up on that dinner table lol. Thanos has a better chance with heart of the universe.
Cannon Fodder says:
"With just reality and power I'd say he could beat Jaspers, Jaspers being insane I'd imagine he'd either be incredibly easy to outsmart or ridiculously difficult."
He can be outsmarted its very possible but the only problem with him is unlike the other villains hes pretty impossible to get rid of and destroy as well unless he wants a real fight with you like with fury. He probably could have killed fury.
Jaspers would appear to have no true mental powers or defenses. Thanos on the other hand has mental powers and in the past has launched telepthic attacks. The Reality gem may serve to protect Thanos while he can prepare to launch a mental attack against Jaspers. Jaspers mind is still human (for speed) and Thanos is clearly the quicker thinking and smarter of the 2. This should provide him the oppotunity to at least evaluate his options and if 9and that's a big if) a winning outcome for Thanos is possible, he would identify it.
Dont mean to bump but I think people are not aware that reality warping has no effect on Thanos. Thanos could toy with his mind and use him to his own ends without the I.G!
@Bo88gdan said:
Mad jim jaspers
How so? Couldn't Thanos just bfr Jaspers to the void like the furies did? I mean I am sure he can since he's teleported as well as teleported others. Jaspers has more raw power but if it cant affect Thanos what good is that? This is ABC logic
@Bo88gdan said:
@darklord_apoc: Thanos with IG is universal level ,Mad Jim Jaspers is Multiuniversal level
Thanos with IG cant be universal when a uni-direction blast from 616 (center of the universe) destroyed Beyonder's realm which is outside marvel multiverse. With Incomplete IG Warlock and Magus fought across countless universes, with an incomplete IG Magus merged 2 universe with ease, and Warlock seperated it. When pit against ultimate nullifier , magus with incomplete IG, turned the nullifer back onto quasar, and the nullify as on panel destroyed and re-constructed the entire multiverse. When IG gained sentience it devolved 2 prime universes in two different multiverses in a blink of an eye. A massive creation wave, let loose from a weakened Nemesis, destroyed and remade 2 multiverses.
IG being universal is something Hickman came up with, and when I myself asked this to Hickman here is what he replied.
In short he intentionally tweaked or discarded few things of IG for consistency sake, before Hickman IG was the power go a GOD.
A small portion of power unleased from reality gem nearly devolved entire 616 reality before Warlock with his connection to gems stopped him, and that was reality gem without being backed by power gem.
I think this is pretty close, with the difference being Thanos has a vulnerability that he can exploit:
1. MJJ being powerless where no reality exist
2. Fury being immune to Jasper's wrap.
Thanos could likely teleport MJJ to void outside creation or could simply create Fury out of thin air, and in order to get this knoweldge Thanos can always probe MJJ's mind, a telepathy of Thanos caliber backed by power gem itself is a very scary concept.
Well this arguement is not about who is the biggest threat to the multiverse, but between mmj and thanos. Reality warping does not work on thanos, so how can mad jaspers win? People forget he's a human/mutuant...... So while Mad Jaspers is trying to use his powers on Thanos then Thanos could just teleport him to the void where there is no reality to warp...
It was shown in the past that there are many IGs. Personally I belive that IG was and is above universal power level, but it doesn't give You Multiversal one.@Bo88gdan said:
@darklord_apoc: Thanos with IG is universal level ,Mad Jim Jaspers is Multiuniversal level
Thanos with IG cant be universal when a uni-direction blast from 616 (center of the universe) destroyed Beyonder's realm which is outside marvel multiverse. With Incomplete IG Warlock and Magus fought across countless universes, with an incomplete IG Magus merged 2 universe with ease, and Warlock seperated it. When pit against ultimate nullifier , magus with incomplete IG, turned the nullifer back onto quasar, and the nullify as on panel destroyed and re-constructed the entire multiverse. When IG gained sentience it devolved 2 prime universes in two different multiverses in a blink of an eye. A massive creation wave, let loose from a weakened Nemesis, destroyed and remade 2 multiverses.
IG being universal is something Hickman came up with, and when I myself asked this to Hickman here is what he replied.
In short he intentionally tweaked or discarded few things of IG for consistency sake, before Hickman IG was the power go a GOD.
A small portion of power unleased from reality gem nearly devolved entire 616 reality before Warlock with his connection to gems stopped him, and that was reality gem without being backed by power gem.
I think this is pretty close, with the difference being Thanos has a vulnerability that he can exploit:
1. MJJ being powerless where no reality exist
2. Fury being immune to Jasper's wrap.
Thanos could likely teleport MJJ to void outside creation or could simply create Fury out of thin air, and in order to get this knoweldge Thanos can always probe MJJ's mind, a telepathy of Thanos caliber backed by power gem itself is a very scary concept.
Imagine all this power coming from 616. Full Power Cosmic, full power of all Skyfathers, Elder Gods, Abstracts and Proemial Gods. Full power of Hell-Lords, demons, magicans etc. All Cosmic Cubes, all Celestials, all mutants. + Nega Bands, Excalibur, Amulet of Right, Galactus Seed, etc.
This is enough power to do all the things Magus has done and much more.
BTW, MJJ-616 should win sooner or later. His control of reality seems higher.
@czarny_samael666 said:
It was shown in the past that there are many IGs.
Never actually shown on panel or even ever referred to before Hickman.
Its always been 1 IG, it was 1 IG that brought Nemesis to life, and Nemesis has affected 2 multiverse in a one shot.
Personally I belive that IG was and is above universal power level, but it doesn't give You Multiversal one.
A multiversal feat from Thanos (thanks to Mr. Master)
As for "beyond space/time" ... IG/Thanos' 'Actuality Ripple' billowed out of 616 across the myriad planes/realities devastating everything as it passed. It finally went Beyond "space-time" and crashed its way into the Beyond Realm (unheard of) where it continued to ravage whatever it touched.
The impressive thing here is,
... that the Beyond Realm (home of the BeyonderS) is so vast it literally "dwindles into insignificance All That Is"
That's All of Eternity my friends, the embodiment of everything across all levels of creation ... insignificant!
The IG affected reality withIN the Beyond Realm. Again, that's unheard of.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14863597/IG_beyond_Universe_2.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14863598/IG_beyond_Universe_3.jpg.html
NOTE: Beyonder Realm is a full fledge universe, without a cosmic heirachy, and hence lies outside of marvel multiverse, and Thanos affected it from 616 which is the center of marvel multiverse.
When IG became sentinent, after adding ego gem to it, and its clearly said on panel what ego gem did was turn IG from a tool to engines of creation, this is her feat (against from Mr Master)
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First: The plot device used was a weakness given to Nemesis.
Nemesis was struggling for control of her being,
because the 6 Infinity Gems that make her up her totality had gained consciousness:
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13985810_Nem_weak2.jpg]
This no doubt, not only made Nemesis vulnerable, but insane:
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13985809_Nem_weak1.jpg]
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Second: Although weakened due to the reasons above, she was still able to ...
... "Obliterate Two entire UniverseS" {one of which was 616} "In the blink of an eye."
Now, that may not seem like much, but those are the Two Prime Realities of Two separate MultiverseS.
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Third: Evidently when Nemesis did this, she also broke down the walls between all realities.
Which lead to ALL Realities merging!
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13985851_IG_Nem_merges_Uni3.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13985853_IG_Nem_merges_Uni4.jpg]
"Nemesis is still tinkering with Reality, and All the Walls have fallen down"
"Whatever -- Alternate versions of UltraForce & Avengers are coming from everywhere"
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Fourth: Nemesis disintegrated EVERY version of Alternate UltraForce and Avenger there is,
in one swoop.
But with a plot twist ... (well, she's gotta lose after all, hahaha)
Nemesis allows the template versions of the Avengers and UltraForce to survive,
including the Black Knight lol.
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13985854_IG_Nem_merges_Uni5.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13985855_IG_Nem_merges_Uni6.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13985860_IG_Nem_merges_Uni7.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13985865_IG_Nem_merges_Uni8.jpg]
"Either this is deliberate, or we got very, very lucky."
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So when the Black Knight pulls off the inevitable "hero" move,
Nemesis' power is released and remakes everything.
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13985867_IG_Nem_merges_Uni9.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13985868_IG_Nem_merges_Uni10.jpg]
I know it states, "Something bigger than us claps its hands, and the Universe blooms"
But what of every other Alternate Reality in existence that was affected here?
Remember Nemesis collapse the Walls between all universeS,
the Realities had merged with what Nemesis built out of the Ultraverse & 616.
Heck, yall KNOW she obliterate BOTH 616 and the Ultraverse,
so just with that it's impossible that only "a" Universe is at play here.
So, while the writer decided to focus on the parent Universe of the UltraForce,
there is no doubt Nemesis' power obliterate Two prime Realities across Two MultiverseS,
she also collapsed the Walls between All UniverseS, meshing all creation,
and finally her power fixed everything by remaking everything anew.
Anyway, after the splitting of Nemesis,
the Gems now conscious and independent, went off on their own.
4 had Nemesis' evil side (Power-Soul-Mind-Space)
1 was confused (Reality)
1 was sound with logic (Time)
But we also find out, the "remaining energy" from the 6 Gems, like waves
is now crashing on the Continuum creating UniverseS back to back on top of the Ultraverse.
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13994541_Gems1.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13994560_N_Waves9.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13994561_N_Waves10.jpg]
Note* That's a fraction of the IG's power we're talking about here.
As you can see,
not only were these Nemesis Waves (left-over energy of the Gems)
creating one Universe after another on top of each other ...
... but this madness was also going to "destroy All Realities"
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13994542_Gems2.jpg]
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Proof it was only a fraction of the IG power at work here:
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Again ...
It wasn't even the full power of the Gems,
it was only the "remaining energy" of the 6 Gems withIN Nemesis
AFTER they split from Nemesis that performed the feat.
This remaining energy of the Gems was called the Nemesis waves.
(as you can see, the Time Gem removed itself and the Reality Gem,
and only the 4 remained)
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13994543_Gems3.jpg]
That's Amber Hunt with Time & Reality Gem about to undo all the madness,
but as you can see, the first wave they could not stop.
More Proof on the Gems splitting up BEFORE the First Wave:
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13994545_Gems5.jpg]
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This was the result of the first wave they could not stop:
That first Wave possibly re-created the Omniverse: (or at the very least Two MultiverseS)
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13994544_Gems4.jpg]
"The Universe shall have to stand the first wave. Its repercussionscan only be guessed"
Anyway, I say this because notice:
You have Ultraforce in Reality 93060 (separate Multiverse) there,
and a group from an alternate reality in the Utraverse Multiverse as well.
but ALSO ...
Spiderman in Reality 616 ...
Exiles in Reality 1218,
and other cats I don't recognize by name that are from separate universes as well.
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I found more evidence to support my stance.
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Further arcs had tie-ins to the story of Nemesis.
We see more of what the that First Wave did, you know,
the one that its "repercussions could only be guessed" ...
Guess no more.
Juggs was banished to the Crimson Cosmos sometime ago during this time.
The Crimson Cosmos is neither in the Ultraverse Multiverse, nor is it withIN 616,
it's in its own Space between realities.
Heh, That fractionalized IG power crashed right thorough Crimson land, and didn't stop there:
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13994551_N_Waves1.jpg]
"This World between Worlds ...
aWave of energyunknown suddenly sweeps across him
from Everywhere and Nowhere at once ...
...through All That Is or Ever Was... As Reality ends."
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Remember Amber Hunt absorbed and released the remaining Nemesis Waves as harmless energy.
Evidently, she still had a sliver of what she released.
This is what the power withIN her was able to accomplish:
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13994552_N_Waves2.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13994553_N_Waves3.jpg]
"Across Two Dimensions,shattering the hidden SpaceS between...
Ultras & mutants buffeted back & forth ,,,
from Universe to near Universe,
Reality to distant Reality...
From long before the beginning of Time to far beyond the End."
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Imo, technically specking, this could mean all the Realities between 616 and the Ultraverse,
which means Two MultiverseS at the very least.
But when you take into account:
"Wave of energy...
from Everywhere and Nowhere at once ...
...through All That Is or Ever Was... As Reality ends."
and
"from Universe to near Universe,
Reality to distant Reality...
From long before the beginning of Time to far beyond the End."
It can just as easily mean the Omniverse, imo.
So that either multi-multiversal or omniversal feat from IG.
BTW, MJJ-616 should win sooner or later. His control of reality seems higher.
I dont think so, granted MJJ was always meant to be a threat to the omniverse, his feats are limited and Infinity gem on its own have operated beyond universal scale, individual gems. Above you can see single gems creating countless realities (universes), we also have time gem stop time in the entire multiverse, we also have a small protion of reality gem's power nearly destroy the universe, we also have Thanos who nearly changed entire 616 such that Lady Deat would fall in love with him.
Then MJJ has vulnerability, thanos with power gem doesnt.
@Killemall:
Before - I'm not sure, yet in FF one of Reeds from their council had his own IG.Never actually shown on panel or even ever referred to before Hickman.
@czarny_samael666 said:
I don't have time answer most of it, but I'm intrestesd about Your opinion about this part:
Before - I'm not sure, yet in FF one of Reeds from their council had his own IG.
I know, the whole point was Hickman was the person who retconned IG into a universal artifact, and in recent New Avengers 03 Infinity Gauntlet broke pushing back a universe. In comparision during Infinity Wars , an incomplete IG first merged and later seperated 2 universes just fine.
Thanos...
@ancient_god: How does Thanos win?
@notatreeabush: Erasing the reality and then Jaspers is impotent
@ancient_god: Erasing reality won't kill MJJ.
@notatreeabush: Why is need to kill him when he is impotent and can't do nothing?
@ancient_god: That may still be true or may not, depending on what effects merging with the Fury had on him. As of now that is true, but I'm willing to bet MJJ would strike first then proceed to toy with Thanman.
@ancient_god: Sorry, I don't do these kinds of battles anymore.
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