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#1 Edited by Killemall (13451 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

Thanos (Post Thanos Imperative before he died of course)

Legion (Most recent version, uses 1 power at a time)

Modification

To make this battle fair I am taking off three key powers away from Legion (David Haller).

Those powers are:

· Moira (reality altering powers)

· Super speed (don’t remember the name of the personality)

· Johnny Gomorrah (ability to trans-mutate and turn people into salt)

Location: in a planet that has no people

Morals : standard morals apply (for Thanos i am using his morals from Thanos solo series, because that was perhaps the only series where he tried to be a hero and hand decent morals).

Win Condition: KO and Death only, no BFR (also taking off Thanos's ability to BFR ppl into the sun and stuffs)

Starting distance 10 meters from each other.

#2 Posted by Morpheus_ (29871 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio
In character, Legion would never use Moira. Thanos' morals didn't change in his solo series, they were consistent with everything before his character derailment in the TI. 
 
And Thanos wins.
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#3 Posted by Killemall (13451 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@Morpheus_ said:

In character, Legion would never use Moira. Thanos' morals didn't change in his solo series, they were consistent with everything before his character derailment in the TI.

And Thanos wins.

Well thanos looked like he wanted to help people out and make good for his crimes than kill people to please mistress death. But i get what you mean.

Thanos wins, fair enough, but erm would you be kind enough to lay down how he wins.. what would he do.

#4 Posted by Billy Batson (54323 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

and Bane will arrive in 3...2...1...
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#5 Posted by Killemall (13451 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@Billy Batson said:

and Bane will arrive in 3...2...1...
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Haha he hasnt arrived yet, care to take a pick ? would be much appreciated if you also say why.

#6 Posted by CitizenBane (19838 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@Billy Batson said:

and Bane will arrive in 3...2...1...
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.........

Legion froze time over Rome with morals on. What does Thanos do about that?

#7 Posted by Morpheus_ (29871 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio
@Killemall: He had helped others on various other occasions before. Ranging from saving Gamora to being an ally to Adam Warlock for the greater good.  
 
A play by play of the fight is hard to come by, I just don't see Legion being able to beat Thanos with a single power based on the ones he demonstrated individually in the Legacy issues.
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#8 Posted by Billy Batson (54323 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@CitizenBane:

I was right!

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#9 Posted by Killemall (13451 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@Morpheus_ said:

@Killemall: He had helped others on various other occasions before. Ranging from saving Gamora to being an ally to Adam Warlock for the greater good.

A play by play of the fight is hard to come by, I just don't see Legion being able to beat Thanos with a single power based on the ones he demonstrated individually in the Legacy issues.

Well i get that, but how often do you see Thanos trying to make good on the mistake that he had made. He was trying to help the civilization. Besides Adam Warlock is perhaps the only closest friend Thanos has, on and off anyways.

#10 Posted by Killemall (13451 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

Legion froze time over Rome with morals on. What does Thanos do about that?

Freezing time is good but that's neither KO nor death for Thanos. Also he can only use one power at a time.

@Billy Batson said:

@CitizenBane:

I was right!

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LOL no comments!

#11 Posted by CitizenBane (19838 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@Killemall: @Morpheus_:

@CitizenBane said:

Legion froze time over Rome with morals on. What does Thanos do about that?

#12 Posted by CitizenBane (19838 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@Killemall: Yeah, I'm not sure what he could do to hurt Thanos since his major abilities have been nerfed. And BFR'ing isn't allowed either or he could have just done that.

He could take Thanos' soul and make him his slave, but I doubt he'd do it in character since he seemed to be afraid of Styx.

#13 Posted by Morpheus_ (29871 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio
@CitizenBane: issue #?
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#14 Posted by Killemall (13451 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@Killemall: Yeah, I'm not sure what he could do to hurt Thanos since his major abilities have been nerfed. And BFR'ing isn't allowed either or he could have just done that.

He could take Thanos' soul and make him his slave, but I doubt he'd do it in character since he seemed to be afraid of Styx.

Well i had to take the reality warping away that would have been unfair. Thanos has always been immune to transmutation and BFR could go either way. With morals thanos is more likely to BFR Legion.

Yeah i am not sure about stealing Thanos's soul either but that sounds like a good argument to make.

I though with such powerful PSI bolts Legion could do a lot of damage too.

#15 Posted by CitizenBane (19838 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@Morpheus_: The time freezing? Legacy #252.

#16 Posted by CitizenBane (19838 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@Killemall: Problem is, Legion's only used psi-bolts on people who aren't as durable physically or mentally as Thanos. He solo'd Storm, Bishop, Psylocke and Iceman with a psi-wave, but none of them are close to Thanos' level.

#17 Posted by Killemall (13451 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@Killemall: Problem is, Legion's only used psi-bolts on people who aren't as durable physically or mentally as Thanos. He solo'd Storm, Bishop, Psylocke and Iceman with a psi-wave, but none of them are close to Thanos' level.

Oh yeah i understand what you mean but wasnt it stated that his PSI bolts are 10x Professor X? Thats pretty powerful to me.

I though this would be a fair battle, as i like both of the character here, did i make it a stomp?

#18 Edited by Morpheus_ (29871 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio
@CitizenBane: Sorry, I was looking through my stash for Rome, not Paris. Thanos is resistant/immune to reality manipulation but I don't recall him going up against time manipulation, so no idea if he could conceivably get out of that, or not. However, I should point out that he used it as a means of locating someone, not in a combat situation.
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#19 Posted by CitizenBane (19838 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@Killemall: That statement about his psychic powers being ten times greater than Xavier's was made by his mother, and I seriously doubt she knows too much about how psi-powers work. He has a bunch of cool psi-feats, but nothing that Xavier couldn't replicate. Moira defeated Xavier on the astral plane, but she stuffed the universe into a wooden box after that so I'm guessing she was out of Charles' league anyway.

I don't see how Legion could win this, honestly. He can freeze Thanos in time but that's not a win or a KO, and the rules, morals and Thanos' stats nerf most if not all of his offensive capabilities.

#20 Posted by CitizenBane (19838 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@Morpheus_: Yeah, for some reason I keep thinking it was Rome. Legion used time manipulation against Storm during his fight with the X-Men in Uncanny X-Men #320. But that's still only a BFR at best.

#21 Posted by Killemall (13451 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

Oh damn, so i made a stomp thread :(

Let this thread just die .

#22 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

Thanos

#23 Posted by termiteone4ever (6434 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

Yes big T got this

#24 Posted by King Saturn (210935 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio
The Cosmic Titan should win here...
#25 Posted by tommyxx516 (24 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

legion may have a 1000 different powers but he hasn't demonstrated any that would allow him to defeat Thanos

#26 Posted by CitizenBane (19838 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@tommyxx516 said:

legion may have a 1000 different powers but he hasn't demonstrated any that would allow him to defeat Thanos

Erasing the Elder Gods of Limbo from existence and putting the entire 616 universe in a box doesn't suggest he can beat Thanos if he went all-out?

#27 Posted by tommyxx516 (24 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

If Thanos went all out in a fight against Legion, Legion's body would of been broken in 4 before he could find any power that can do any damage to Thanos. As for warping reality, no one shows up to a fight and decides the first move they make is to warp reality. That doesn't showcase how powerful the person is, it just means the writers were too lazy to make the fight interesting.

Read the original post:

To make this battle fair I am taking off two key powers away from Legion (David Haller).

Those powers are:

· Moira (reality altering powers)

#28 Posted by CitizenBane (19838 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@tommyxx516 said:

If Thanos went all out in a fight against Legion, Legion's body would of been broken in 4 before he could find any power that can do any damage to Thanos. As for warping reality, no one shows up to a fight and decides the first move they make is to warp reality. That doesn't showcase how powerful the person is, it just means the writers were too lazy to make the fight interesting.

Read the original post:

To make this battle fair I am taking off two key powers away from Legion (David Haller).

Those powers are:

· Moira (reality altering powers)

Not the point. You claimed Legion had no powers that could harm Thanos. He does. The very first move he made against the Elder Gods was to erase them from existence. That's right, he showed up to a fight and used reality warping right off the bat. I doubt he'd be broken in four considering he was perfectly unfazed from having every molecule of his body frozen solid.

Go back and read through the thread, I've already said than Thanos wins under these conditions. I was simply addressing your statement that Legion had no power to beat Thanos with.

#29 Edited by tommyxx516 (24 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

Warping reality in that instance is not really inflicting harm on the foes, it's really about the writers inability to make that fight interesting.

#30 Posted by Raptorus (354 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@tommyxx516 said:

Warping reality is not really combat. It's the writers inability to make the fight interesting.

No, it's a power that can be used in combat.

I'm sure plenty of writers can make interesting fights with or without reality warping.

#31 Edited by tommyxx516 (24 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

Ok, how about you have the writers make sure that Legion warps reality in every single issue from here on out. At the beginning of every fight, he just warps them out instead of fighting them. That's as if the fight never happened so what's the point? It reminds me of Mangog and Thor. Thor could defeat Mangog so he uses the odin force and wills him out of existence. BORING!!!!

#32 Posted by CitizenBane (19838 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@tommyxx516: Let me get this straight, you're whining about how reality warping shouldn't be used as an argument because it's "boring"? Seriously?

#33 Posted by Godabed (353 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

Reality Warping doesn't really work on Thanos anyway. But Legion still could use Styx to absorb Thanos's soul and take control of his body, Endgame- To adapt to Thanos's attacks and counter it. So yes there are ways that Legion could actually beat Thanos.  Also Legion could reality Warp as himself as well, and not just the Moira persona.

#34 Posted by CitizenBane (19838 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@Godabed said:

Reality Warping doesn't really work on Thanos anyway. But Legion still could use Styx to absorb Thanos's soul and take control of his body, Endgame- To adapt to Thanos's attacks and counter it. So yes there are ways that Legion could actually beat Thanos. Also Legion could reality Warp as himself as well, and not just the Moira persona.

Reality warping supposedly doesn't work on Psylocke either, she was still swept up into the Age of X reality. Styx and Moira are not personalities Legion would use in character. And seeing as Endgame got decked by Magneto throwing bombs at him, I'm pretty sure he's not going to be much help against Thanos.

#35 Posted by Godabed (353 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio
@CitizenBane said:

@Godabed said:

Reality Warping doesn't really work on Thanos anyway. But Legion still could use Styx to absorb Thanos's soul and take control of his body, Endgame- To adapt to Thanos's attacks and counter it. So yes there are ways that Legion could actually beat Thanos. Also Legion could reality Warp as himself as well, and not just the Moira persona.

Reality warping supposedly doesn't work on Psylocke either, she was still swept up into the Age of X reality. Styx and Moira are not personalities Legion would use in character. And seeing as Endgame got decked by Magneto throwing bombs at him, I'm pretty sure he's not going to be much help against Thanos.

you're referring to HOM, which was before Jamie Braddock explained that he had plans for his sister, which he entangled threads around Psylocke to prepare her for an upcoming event.  Age of X happened after that event to which Psylocke's powers changed.  There is a reason i don't respond to your comments and i believe you know why. Please don't reply to me.
#36 Posted by CitizenBane (19838 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@Godabed said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Godabed said:

Reality Warping doesn't really work on Thanos anyway. But Legion still could use Styx to absorb Thanos's soul and take control of his body, Endgame- To adapt to Thanos's attacks and counter it. So yes there are ways that Legion could actually beat Thanos. Also Legion could reality Warp as himself as well, and not just the Moira persona.

Reality warping supposedly doesn't work on Psylocke either, she was still swept up into the Age of X reality. Styx and Moira are not personalities Legion would use in character. And seeing as Endgame got decked by Magneto throwing bombs at him, I'm pretty sure he's not going to be much help against Thanos.

you're referring to HOM, which was before Jamie Braddock explained that he had plans for his sister, which he entangled threads around Psylocke to prepare her for an upcoming event. Age of X happened after that event to which Psylocke's powers changed. There is a reason i don't respond to your comments and i believe you know why. Please don't reply to me.

No, I'm referring to Die by the Sword. Psylocke still retains that immunity and nothing has happened to change that.

Because you're almost always wrong?

#37 Edited by Godabed (353 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio
@CitizenBane: no, because you're rude and you don't know how to talk to people, and asked you nicely not to reply to my post. So please don't. Any further replies will be harassment and flagged.  So again I'm asking nicely don't reply to ANY of my post.
 
Thanks
 
(Also Jamie Braddock himself stated he made psylocke immune to reality warping to fight the forsaken, but psylocke is off topic.And has nothing to do with thanos or legion)
#38 Posted by CitizenBane (19838 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@Godabed said:

@CitizenBane: no, because you're rude and you don't know how to talk to people, and asked you nicely not to reply to my post. So please don't. Any further replies will be harassment and flagged. So again I'm asking nicely don't reply to ANY of my post. Thanks

If you didn't want me to reply to your post then you shouldn't have replied to what I said. Just as there was no need to post the above^ if you didn't want a reply. If you reply to something I said or comment on something I said, I will reply to that. It's as simple as that. I fail to see how that's harassment or flagworthy, and I could care less what you think of me. Just don't reply. It's that easy.

#39 Posted by Godabed (353 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio
@CitizenBane: I wasn't talking to you to begin with, i was referring the the general topic of reality warping Legion & Thanos.  Notice in my respond, it wasn't to you. And clearly you don't understand what harassment is. I have asked you several times very nicely not to reply to things i have to say, and I haven't responded to your replies to what i had to say in various thread. Until now, that should have been enough of a hint, after several very rude conversations with you I don't really want to talk to you or converse in anyway.  That should be no big loss, in your world.  Harassment is very flaggable, so this is your last warning. Just leave me alone.
#40 Posted by CitizenBane (19838 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@Godabed said:

@CitizenBane: I wasn't talking to you to begin with, i was referring the the general topic of reality warping Legion & Thanos. Notice in my respond, it wasn't to you. And clearly you don't understand what harassment is. I have asked you several times very nicely not to reply to things i have to say, and I haven't responded to your replies to what i had to say in various thread. Until now, that should have been enough of a hint, after several very rude conversations with you I don't really want to talk to you or converse in anyway. That should be no big loss, in your world. Harassment is very flaggable, so this is your last warning. Just leave me alone.

You made a comment related to the general topic, and I replied to that comment about the general topic. I was well within my right to do so. I see nothing wrong in that. After that you replied back, and then told me not to reply because you didn't want to talk to me for whatever reason. If someone replies to me, I reply back. Simple as that. I doubt there is anything flagworthy in anything I've said. So go ahead and flag them, see where that gets you. And again, if you don't want me to reply to you, don't reply to what I say. Including this.

#41 Posted by blackadam2 (301 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

with his most recent personality i don`t see legion use the personality that warped the elder gods from limbo( the true legion, according to the comic). however, it would be cool to see the personality of end game going against thanos. said personality has the ability to adapt to any attack; it is not specify in the comic if can only adapt to mutant attacks or to whatever attacks him in general.

#42 Posted by CitizenBane (19838 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@blackadam2 said:

with his most recent personality i don`t see legion use the personality that warped the elder gods from limbo( the true legion, according to the comic). however, it would be cool to see the personality of end game going against thanos. said personality has the ability to adapt to any attack; it is not specify in the comic if can only adapt to mutant attacks or to whatever attacks him in general.

It can supposedly adapt to anything but since it couldn't react fast enough to Magneto bombing it I don't think it will help against Thanos.

#43 Posted by blackadam2 (301 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@blackadam2 said:

with his most recent personality i don`t see legion use the personality that warped the elder gods from limbo( the true legion, according to the comic). however, it would be cool to see the personality of end game going against thanos. said personality has the ability to adapt to any attack; it is not specify in the comic if can only adapt to mutant attacks or to whatever attacks him in general.

It can supposedly adapt to anything but since it couldn't react fast enough to Magneto bombing it I don't think it will help against Thanos.

going to check the issue.

#44 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@Godabed: I'm not sure why you flagged him. If you don't want a response from him, do not respond back. Besides, nothing he said to you was rude at first. All he did was give a rebuttal to you statement in relevance to the topic, and you took offense to it (and I'm not sure why).

#45 Posted by blackadam2 (301 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@blackadam2 said:

with his most recent personality i don`t see legion use the personality that warped the elder gods from limbo( the true legion, according to the comic). however, it would be cool to see the personality of end game going against thanos. said personality has the ability to adapt to any attack; it is not specify in the comic if can only adapt to mutant attacks or to whatever attacks him in general.

It can supposedly adapt to anything but since it couldn't react fast enough to Magneto bombing it I don't think it will help against Thanos.

he did react fast enough when he was getting attaked: he turn intangible when gambit used his powers; when magneto attacked him, he did the same, instantly. he got distracted by legion and magneto used the time to attack him with the bomb, and you can clearly see in the next panel he has no damage at all. i think endgame would be the best powerset if legion wants last some time. morpheus is right, if legion uses his time manipulation- because it is one power at a time- he won`t have any way to hurt thanos. unless.....that personality, apart from stoping time, he also has the ability to make you re live your past, or something like that. he did it to gambit. still, i don`t believe this is enough to hurt thanos.

#46 Posted by blackadam2 (301 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@tommyxx516 said:

If Thanos went all out in a fight against Legion, Legion's body would of been broken in 4 before he could find any power that can do any damage to Thanos. As for warping reality, no one shows up to a fight and decides the first move they make is to warp reality. That doesn't showcase how powerful the person is, it just means the writers were too lazy to make the fight interesting.

Read the original post:

To make this battle fair I am taking off two key powers away from Legion (David Haller).

Those powers are:

· Moira (reality altering powers)

well, in new mutants the original personality of legion appeared and erased the elder gods instantly. that is his powerset and the op didn`t took that personality out. the problem is the current personality of legion would not use that personality. in character he would not use those powers. another different thing is legion off charater, he would definitely beat thanos. but, since it is not the case in this battle, thanos would most probably win.

#47 Posted by CitizenBane (19838 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@blackadam2: You are correct. But even so, that only proves Endgame can defend against any attack. How will he harm Thanos? The brute force he used against Frenzy is not sufficient to hurt Thanos.

#48 Posted by blackadam2 (301 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@blackadam2: You are correct. But even so, that only proves Endgame can defend against any attack. How will he harm Thanos? The brute force he used against Frenzy is not sufficient to hurt Thanos.

that's why i'm not giving the victory to legion. however, if he can adapt to anny attack, it means he would adapt to the strength of thanos. probably gaining the strength to dealt with him. see how his power is to adapt to kill his enemies, to counter their powers while gaining abilities to defeat them. but anyway, that just an assumption, i`m not sure of it. i also don`t think he will use endgame at the start of the fight. with this limitations the victory goes to thanos.

#49 Posted by tommyxx516 (24 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@CitizenBane:@tommyxx516: Let me get this straight, you're whining about how reality warping shouldn't be used as an argument because it's "boring"? Seriously?

Legion shows up, meets Elder gods in Limbo, Warps reality. THE END!!! You're telling me this kind of storytelling is exciting to you?

Perhaps in the upcoming X-men vs Avengers, the writers could just have the Scarlet Witch, Franklin Richards, Legion, Phoenix, and Galactus show up in the end and take turn warping reality out of boredom?

#50 Posted by CitizenBane (19838 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@tommyxx516 said:

@CitizenBane:@tommyxx516: Let me get this straight, you're whining about how reality warping shouldn't be used as an argument because it's "boring"? Seriously?

Legion shows up, meets Elder gods in Limbo, Warps reality. THE END!!! You're telling me this kind of storytelling is exciting to you?

Perhaps in the upcoming X-men vs Avengers, the writers could just have the Scarlet Witch, Franklin Richards, Legion, Phoenix, and Galactus show up in the end and take turn warping reality out of boredom?

....so what? What bearing does that have on this fight?

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