1.On the moon, Morals on
2. In New York, Morals off
NEVER ANY TIME MANIPULATION
@18hunt said:
tell, me what would be more fair, i dont know enough about king thor...
Give him the hammer, its his standard equipment.
And if you take away time manipulation, its much fairer, else with ability to stop time Thanos has no defense against it. Also once you take time manipulation away i am expecting a big, long debate between me and@czarny_samael666: I would be backing Thanos, i think Samuel's will back Thor.
@czarny_samael666 said:
@Killemall: Yes, time manipulation has to be taken away. Thanos has great TP feats, but even normal Thor has shown great TP resistance. But I am not entierly sure if it will work or no.
Thor's resistant to TP is very questionable i still dont understand how you feel otherwise. Had if been normal Thor i had no doubts Thanos can take him via TP. Its King Thor and we know Odin is a much more powerful telepath than Thanos, maybe Odin force could prevent that.
Thor best feat is taking down Destroyer Armor combined with Desak + his fight with The Gardener.
While that should actually be enough to draw a hole in Thanos chest, Thanos has TK and has blocked Thor's hammer thor from a short distance, he has also blocked Silver Surfer attack, kind of shows his TK, his shields and his enchanced reflex would allow him to block that.
With morals on, Thor actually was able to destroy and reform whole Moon.
Also got knocked out in the process :p LOL
Besides Thanos is pretty damn durable against Molecule Manipulation.
Energy projection will be useless.
Well if Thor does in fact hurl the hammer towards Thanos, he can always drop him then hit him with energy blast. Without hammer he isnt absorbing anything.
Thanos is for sure stronger physically, but he isn't physically as durable as Destroyer Armor and it wasdestroyed by boosted Mjolnir.
That was a pissed off Thor, with a massive throw of a hammer, doesnt normally say Thor would be able to generate that much force against Thanos. Besides, Thanos can do exactly what he did against champion, occasional shield to block most hits FTW. :)
King Thor ftw, because even if Thanos can somehow survive Thor's matter manipulation, he can't survive attack that put down Destroyer-Desak.
Thor has never used matter manipulation in a fight, so not in character so its very least a very questionable ability. Then we have Thanos's durability to resist matter manipulation / reality warping.
In regards to second part, while i cant prove it or anything, but at the moment i am convinced Destroyer Armor, at least to physical force is more durable than Thanos, so an attack that ripped a hole in his viser should suffice against Thanos.
Thanos however has shields to block the attack, Destroyer armor or Thor himself lacks. Then if its a boxing match i think Thanos would pretty convincingly beat Thor. Thor can try and hit Thanos with energy attack, Thanos has shield to block it, Thanos can also try telepathy, or simply teleport away from the hammer and then blast him before the hammer comes to his hand,
Am I wrong in opinion that You've choosed Thanos because of his fight with Rot? ;-) BTW, am I the only one who see his enemy from that fight - The Gardener - as one of robots shown currently in Hickman's Avengers?
Not really no. I genuinely think Thanos is more powerful. Thanos has to some extent matched the blast of inbetweener (very very very questionable feat, no argument there), ragdolled a well fed galactus (never even remotely injured him though but then Thor Annual 01 Thor couldnt even make a fed Galactus move an inch with an amped up god blast), broken quasar shield that easily withstood attacks from a plethora of heroes , or in a slugfest beat Drax and destroyed a planet or in terms of TP actually beat Moondragon in a TP battle.
Also I have not read Avengers and New Avengers in marvel now, have only read issue 1 of each, a little behind have to catch up. Heard awesome thing about New Avengers in particular and Hickman officially confirmed they are 2 sides of the same story.
@Killemall said:
Pretty close i would say.
Morals on: Thanos
Morals off: I dont see anything stopping King Thor from stopping time, something Thanos has no defense against.
Doesn't Thanos have time manipulating abilites himself?- I recall him using them against the Silver Surfer I think.
@Killemall said:
Pretty close i would say.
Morals on: Thanos
Morals off: I dont see anything stopping King Thor from stopping time, something Thanos has no defense against.
King Thor wouldn't need time manipulation to beat Thanos, He would just decapitate him like he did Desak in Destroyer Armour.
@Killemall said:
@jeanroygrant said:
King Thor wouldn't need time manipulation to beat Thanos, He would just decapitate him like he did Desak in Destroyer Armour.
Or Thanos will just stop the hammer Thor like he has done before using his shield :)
Except that Thor is a lot weaker than this Thor
That's like a 6 year throwing a basketball at me, and I tank it easy, as if a adult threw a basketball at me which would hurt a lot more.
@jeanroygrant said:
Except that Thor is a lot weaker than this Thor
That's like a 6 year throwing a basketball at me, and I tank it easy, as if a adult threw a basketball at me which would hurt a lot more.
I dont understand, how is Thor being stronger going to change the fact that Thanos and Thor have similar reaction time? The time it takes Thor to throw the hammer, Thanos can put up his shield, had one been massively faster than the other it would have been different.
Thor has potential to be lot faster given his time manipulation, but sadly taken away from OP.
Thor can still win, i am by no means saying its one sided, but without time manipulation i frankly dont see much advantage for Thor. Also i still put Thanos physically superior to King Thor.
@Killemall said:
Pretty close i would say.
Morals on: Thanos
Morals off: I dont see anything stopping King Thor from stopping time, something Thanos has no defense against.
this
Who?@Killemall: Thor has used matter manipulation vs the evolutionary.
@Killemall said:
@jeanroygrant said:
Except that Thor is a lot weaker than this Thor
That's like a 6 year throwing a basketball at me, and I tank it easy, as if a adult threw a basketball at me which would hurt a lot more.
I dont understand, how is Thor being stronger going to change the fact that Thanos and Thor have similar reaction time? The time it takes Thor to throw the hammer, Thanos can put up his shield, had one been massively faster than the other it would have been different.
Thor has potential to be lot faster given his time manipulation, but sadly taken away from OP.
Thor can still win, i am by no means saying its one sided, but without time manipulation i frankly dont see much advantage for Thor. Also i still put Thanos physically superior to King Thor.
I'm not talking about who is faster at shielding or attacking. Thor's attack will destroy Thanos's shield. Hmm, superior in strength? Thanos has one really good strength feat with Drax.
He actually don't need anything else... A specially that he is always shown to be superior physically to his opponents. Only Tyrant was his equal (or maybe even superior) in this area. No Drax, no Thor and no version of Surfer.@Killemall said:
@jeanroygrant said:
Except that Thor is a lot weaker than this Thor
That's like a 6 year throwing a basketball at me, and I tank it easy, as if a adult threw a basketball at me which would hurt a lot more.
I dont understand, how is Thor being stronger going to change the fact that Thanos and Thor have similar reaction time? The time it takes Thor to throw the hammer, Thanos can put up his shield, had one been massively faster than the other it would have been different.
Thor has potential to be lot faster given his time manipulation, but sadly taken away from OP.
Thor can still win, i am by no means saying its one sided, but without time manipulation i frankly dont see much advantage for Thor. Also i still put Thanos physically superior to King Thor.
I'm not talking about who is faster at shielding or attacking. Thor's attack will destroy Thanos's shield. Hmm, superior in strength? Thanos has one really good strength feat with Drax.
@Thor's hammmer said:
King Thor beheads the destroyer with Desak in it in one shot. Thanos is tough but not that tough.
This.
@czarny_samael666 said:
@jeanroygrant said:He actually don't need anything else... A specially that he is always shown to be superior physically to his opponents. Only Tyrant was his equal (or maybe even superior) in this area. No Drax, no Thor and no version of Surfer.@Killemall said:
@jeanroygrant said:
Except that Thor is a lot weaker than this Thor
That's like a 6 year throwing a basketball at me, and I tank it easy, as if a adult threw a basketball at me which would hurt a lot more.
I dont understand, how is Thor being stronger going to change the fact that Thanos and Thor have similar reaction time? The time it takes Thor to throw the hammer, Thanos can put up his shield, had one been massively faster than the other it would have been different.
Thor has potential to be lot faster given his time manipulation, but sadly taken away from OP.
Thor can still win, i am by no means saying its one sided, but without time manipulation i frankly dont see much advantage for Thor. Also i still put Thanos physically superior to King Thor.
I'm not talking about who is faster at shielding or attacking. Thor's attack will destroy Thanos's shield. Hmm, superior in strength? Thanos has one really good strength feat with Drax.
Doesn't matter. He trys to put those shields up, there going to get destroyed with a morals off Thor hammer throw, and we all know Thanos isn't one for speed, so it will hit him. KO.
@jeanroygrant said:
I'm not talking about who is faster at shielding or attacking. Thor's attack will destroy Thanos's shield. Hmm, superior in strength? Thanos has one really good strength feat with Drax.
And why should his thor be able to destroy his shield, and even if it does what stopping Thanos from teleporting away from the where Thor throws his hammer, after all its just as easy for him.
Thanos has plenty of strength feat, i would say better than King Thor.
@jeanroygrant said:
Doesn't matter. He trys to put those shields up, there going to get destroyed with a morals off Thor hammer throw, and we all know Thanos isn't one for speed, so it will hit him. KO.
If by speed you mean running at light speed, then no. If by speed you mean being able to react to people then yes, bio clear has him having enhanced reflexes. He has many ways to deal with a hammer throw, shields (which if breaks would at the least slow it down), teleportation, or simply dodge.
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