@XImpossibruX: ..........You're joking, right? In the first scan, he only knocked Galactus backwards after blind-siding him(which isn't very impressive considering Galactus' weight is not equivocal to his power). And in the second, he sucker punched Surfer who has virtually no hand to hand combat speed or technical prowess to speak of(if there are scans indicating otherwise, I'd love to see them).
@XImpossibruX: ..........You're joking, right? In the first scan, he only knocked Galactus backwards after blind-siding him(which isn't very impressive considering Galactus' weight is not equivocal to his power). And in the second, he sucker punched Surfer who has virtually no hand to hand combat speed or technical prowess to speak of(if there are scans indicating otherwise, I'd love to see them).
Blowing Galactus back at all is an impressive feat, the fact he actually annoyed Galactus puts him way above All-Star Superman.
And Surfer tanks planets exploding, but punches from Thanos absolutely destroys him.
He can survive that, but absolutely get demolished by Thanos.
@XImpossibruX: Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't The Thing and Thor done something similar(albeit under different circumstances)? If Thanos had actually harmed Galactus, then you'd have a case. But as it stands, Galactus immediately returned and had Thanos begging for his life. For example, I'm sure Tim Drake is capable of knocking Bruce Wayne off his feet if Bruce weren't paying attention. But that doesn't mean anything other than Tim Drake can simply knock a 230+ pound man off his feet(he'd still get his ass whooped by him).
As for the second, I'm not saying it would change the outcome of the fight entirely, but you have to remember Thanos caught Surfer unaware. It's a good showing of his physical power, but not necessarily indicative of how a fight between he and Superman would play out(especially since Superman won't be sucker-punched).
First off I don't think 616 Thanos is stronger than All-Star Superman, nor is he faster. However considering the fact that Thanost has beaten some of Marvel's most powerful beings without his "gear" this won't be an easy fight for either of them. Even with Superman's vast intellect I don't think it rivals Thanos. Superman has the phyiscial strength and speed but Thanos can take those hits. Also Supermans heat vision would be a horrible idea since Thanos would just absorb it. With his matter manipulation at the molecular level he could cause Superman's molecular to speed up causing him to die faster. Since we are not sure when in All-Star Superman this is happening I suspect it would be towards the end when Superman is beginning to weaken. I say All-Star Superman could take him but its likely that Superman would immediately die afterwards. And by the way you are being great at not directly choosing a victor logy500, but you are dangerously close to overstepping those bounds.
First off I don't think 616 Thanos is stronger than All-Star Superman, nor is he faster. However considering the fact that Thanost has beaten some of Marvel's most powerful beings without his "gear" this won't be an easy fight for either of them. Even with Superman's vast intellect I don't think it rivals Thanos. Superman has the phyiscial strength and speed but Thanos can take those hits. Also Supermans heat vision would be a horrible idea since Thanos would just absorb it. With his matter manipulation at the molecular level he could cause Superman's molecular to speed up causing him to die faster. Since we are not sure when in All-Star Superman this is happening I suspect it would be towards the end when Superman is beginning to weaken. I say All-Star Superman could take him but its likely that Superman would immediately die afterwards. And by the way you are being great at not directly choosing a victor logy500, but you are dangerously close to overstepping those bounds.
I'm not truly sure who I think would win, but I would root for Superman. Not saying he wins though.
First off I don't think 616 Thanos is stronger than All-Star Superman, nor is he faster. However considering the fact that Thanost has beaten some of Marvel's most powerful beings without his "gear" this won't be an easy fight for either of them. Even with Superman's vast intellect I don't think it rivals Thanos. Superman has the phyiscial strength and speed but Thanos can take those hits. Also Supermans heat vision would be a horrible idea since Thanos would just absorb it.With his matter manipulation at the molecular level he could cause Superman's molecular to speed up causing him to die faster. Since we are not sure when in All-Star Superman this is happening I suspect it would be towards the end when Superman is beginning to weaken. I say All-Star Superman could take him but its likely that Superman would immediately die afterwards. And by the way you are being great at not directly choosing a victor logy500, but you are dangerously close to overstepping those bounds.
While i disagree with you on Thanos not being stronger than All Star Superman , specially Thanos towards Thanos Imperative rather than the current watered down version, i wanted to reply on few things.
1. Thanos for one isnt really known for energy absorption, yes he transformed his body so that it could absorb cosmic energy thereby boosting his powers, way back in Captain Marvel 26 (1973), i really dont remember him ever absorbing anything shot at him. While normal blast dont generally hurt him, guys like Odin and cosmic cube or cosmic cube being with their blast has knocked out Thanos.
Here are some instances
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Guardians of the Galaxy 25 - Thanos Imperative Saga
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I think is reasonable to assume he's too durable for the heat vision to affect him, given that he has easily tanked Surfer's blast with little trouble or Thanosi (thanos later retconned to Thanosi because Jim Starlin though it was a low showing) has tanked amped up blast from Thor, saying he would absorb him seem a little off.
Apart from that we could perhaps use him being able to absorb Heart Of The Universe from Marvel The End, which is of course non cannon and that not something directly linked to a combat.
2. Molecule Manipulation is an interesting thing, the only instance i have seen Thanos use molecule manipulation is during Avengers Celestial Quest to turn Reptly Prime into god and during his mini to heal someone. To the best of my knoweledge, he has never used molecule manipulation in a fight before and hence i think saying he would use it in this fight seemed a little out of character.
Lastly, all the above point are moot, Thanos power level seem to have been rebooted and at his current level he has been hurt by Thor's punches and Captain America's shield, i honestly dont see this version of Thanos tanking heatvision, nor has this version shown molecule manipulation powers.
Its hard to say exactly how powerful All Star Superman is relative to "our" Superman let alone how powerful Superman might be relative to someone from another publishing company like Thanos.
Still, given the circumstances, with Thanos killing Lois and a more or less straight up physical battle, he is going to get his ass kicked.
All-Star Superman is a lot stronger than the original Superman. I'd say Thanos loses.
Thanos is a lot stronger than regular Superman too,
Actually that's not that much.... comparatively. Regular Superman contained a black hole in his hand in pre-flashpoint continuity which is a much greater strength feat. In issue 13 of Action Comics Superman benches 6 sextillion tons (the weight of the earth) which is also a greater feat. I loved All Star, but people seem to think that version of Superman is more impressive than he was.
In any case Thanos wins. I don't think it's a stomp, but Thanos is going to come out on top.
That black hole thing is stupid writing. It can't be quantified in any way, shape.
While consistently(i.e. ignoring one time ludricous feats due to writer's ineptitude)Superman has shown that his strength has upper limits.
Like it or not, Superman held and contained the black hole in his hand in continuity. I don't know what you mean by "can't be quantified" because a black hole absolutely can be. There's a certain point mass reaches upon which it collapses in on itself forming a black hole. This point is many many times more massive than our sun. Also, I don't know what you mean by "consistently Superman has shown that his strength has upper limits." Generally, Superman is able to accomplish whatever seemingly impossible feat that needs accomplishing consistently showing that he has yet to reach an upper limit of ability.
@Onemoreposter: I'm not explaining how one time, unquantifiable feats that have debunked by his more consistent feats of Superman having upper limits to his strength(like when he struggled to move the moon or pull the earth back into orbit).
Sometimes, writers write stupid things too, that black hole "feat" is one of them.
I don't wish to continue this debate because this battle involves all star superman and not pre 52.
@IZZR: what did AS Supes do to show resistance to TP? also Thanos does mind blast where he affects the synapses in the brain. nothing to do with intelligence.
All-Star Superman is a lot stronger than the original Superman. I'd say Thanos loses.
Thanos is a lot stronger than regular Superman too,
Actually that's not that much.... comparatively. Regular Superman contained a black hole in his hand in pre-flashpoint continuity which is a much greater strength feat. In issue 13 of Action Comics Superman benches 6 sextillion tons (the weight of the earth) which is also a greater feat. I loved All Star, but people seem to think that version of Superman is more impressive than he was.
In any case Thanos wins. I don't think it's a stomp, but Thanos is going to come out on top.
It's a stomp...
@kameo said:
Regular superman should be able to stomp thanos with out his artifacts.
@jeanroygrant: Dude!!! That wasn't the point. The point I was trying to make was that All Star Supes wasn't really more powerful than regular Supes. Not that Supes was better than Thanos. I agree that Thanos wins this.
I do think Thanos is durable to Supermans attacks at least for awhile.
Top pic shows Odin blasting Thanos and him just standing him bottom pic shows Thanos and Surfer not putting a dent in Odin
As for disagreeing with energy and matter manipulation Thanos will do what is necessary. As with any fight Thanos biggest enemy is himself.
As I said I think All-Star Superman will take it (unless Thanos is not out to kil him) if its to the death Superman wins this one but still dies after the battle.
All-Star Superman is a lot stronger than the original Superman. I'd say Thanos loses.
Thanos is a lot stronger than regular Superman too,
Actually that's not that much.... comparatively. Regular Superman contained a black hole in his hand in pre-flashpoint continuity which is a much greater strength feat. In issue 13 of Action Comics Superman benches 6 sextillion tons (the weight of the earth) which is also a greater feat. I loved All Star, but people seem to think that version of Superman is more impressive than he was.
In any case Thanos wins. I don't think it's a stomp, but Thanos is going to come out on top.
It's a stomp...
@kameo said:
Regular superman should be able to stomp thanos with out his artifacts.
Thanos could beat two Superman's...
Nah. You forget the speed blitz. What are Thano's reaction time and combat speed feats? Unless Thanos is omniscient or is secretly Wally West, Superman is way quicker than him. Boodlusted, Kal blows holes through Thanos' body before he can even react. What are Thanos's base durability feats?
I'm still saying Thanos win's the majority of times, especially if it's not bloodlusted but in character. It's defiantly not a stomp though.
All-Star Superman is a lot stronger than the original Superman. I'd say Thanos loses.
Thanos is a lot stronger than regular Superman too,
Actually that's not that much.... comparatively. Regular Superman contained a black hole in his hand in pre-flashpoint continuity which is a much greater strength feat. In issue 13 of Action Comics Superman benches 6 sextillion tons (the weight of the earth) which is also a greater feat. I loved All Star, but people seem to think that version of Superman is more impressive than he was.
In any case Thanos wins. I don't think it's a stomp, but Thanos is going to come out on top.
It's a stomp...
@kameo said:
Regular superman should be able to stomp thanos with out his artifacts.
Thanos could beat two Superman's...
Nah. You forget the speed blitz. What are Thano's reaction time and combat speed feats? Unless Thanos is omniscient or is secretly Wally West, Superman is way quicker than him. Boodlusted, Kal blows holes through Thanos' body before he can even react. What are Thanos's base durability feats?
I'm still saying Thanos win's the majority of times, especially if it's not bloodlusted but in character. It's defiantly not a stomp though.
Thanos has reacted to speedster before.
Thanos's durability is wayyyy higher than Superman. Being able to tank shots from Odin, Galactus, and even felt nothing from Silver Surfer's strongest attack, Last time i checked anyone here would destroy Superman
@jeanroygrant: Dude!!! That wasn't the point. The point I was trying to make was that All Star Supes wasn't really more powerful than regular Supes. Not that Supes was better than Thanos. I agree that Thanos wins this.
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