Thanos+Silver Surfer Vs Darkseid, MMH, H'el

All Blood-Lusted

No-Prep

Moral OFF

Fight takes place on an indestructible abandoned Earth where they can go all out.

NO BFR

Fight to the Death or KO.

(Pre-52/New-52 for Dc characters)

They start 1 mile apart.

(Post Upgrade)Thanos+(Post-Upgrade)Silver Surfer

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Darkseid, Martian Manhunter, H'el

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Who wins, and why?

Sorry if I didn't tag you, anyone else is welcome.

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Team 2.

While Norrin can take out H`el, I think against both Martian Manhunter and H`el at once he will be overwhelmed eventually.

Thanos can definitely take out Darkseid but against Martian Manhunter, H`el and Darkseid all at once I don`t see him having the majority.

@neongamewave: You kind of contradicted yourself, in your match ups.

How can SS take out H'el, to then get also overwhelmed by MMH, for then Thanos to handle Darkseid; and for then H'el to return to help beat Thanos?

I don`t see how there is any contradiction that is present in my arguments...

My point to clarify was generally speaking, Silver Surfer could handle both H`el and MMH alone but as a team I don`t see him beating them at once. When that fight is set in motion I see Thanos beating Darkseid but I`m not sure if it would be quick enough to say H`el and MMH won`t come to assist Darkseid in his fight against the Mad Titan.

Thanos and Silver Surfer.

@kingant27: please tag me in the future for your battles they're intresting

@neongamewave: You made an error in your recent last bit of your paragraph, also why in your opinion would SS go down so quickly.

@itsomething: I thought I did, I will tag for next time however.

Favoring Team 1 only because of Thanos.J'onn beats Surfer on his own

@reaverlation: Out of curiousity, why would J'ohn be able to deal with SS on his own, when SS has the Astral Plane, time manipulation, cosmic awareness etc?

team 2

Again, I don`t see how there are any contradictions or errors.

However, I will restate my stance on this matter. While I`m very open-minded and I like to analyze the small as well as big details of a battle and like to see how the variables alter or alternate between the different possible outcomes in which in this case I think it could go either way because of Thanos I`m still leaning towards Team 2 because Silver Surfer can beat MM and H`el, I think he will have a lot of trouble when it comes to being able to fight them at once. a Norrin who is willing to go all out will be hard to take down for sure but MM can keep up with him and is strong enough to beat him thanks to his versatility, telepathy being a potential trump card. H`el isn`t really on Silver Surfer`s level but he can contribute to the overall battle with his strength and combat smarts also since Silver Surfer isn`t known for having impressive combat speed I think that is one of the factors that will come into play with him losing against the DC duo.

Now in terms of Thanos vs Darkseid. I think Thanos is very much superior to Darkseid and there`s a strong chance that he could win fast enough to aid Silver Surfer but I doubt it. When up against Darkseid, I`m pretty certain Darkseid will be able to distract and keep Thanos at bay long enough for his teammates to come and aid him. Darkseid is pretty knowledgable and keen when it comes to utilizing full-fledged instincts and tactics in a fight so I think he will play it smart especially if he knows he`s outmatched overall against Thanos so with that said, I don`t think Thanos would be able to take on Darkseid + H`el + Martian Manhunter at once although I do think a case can be made for why that possibility would be more than just a possibility but a probability however I`m leaning towards Team 2 because of the versatility and powers involved also the plannings that could interplay in regards to taking down Thanos in anyway possible.

Also epic matchup :)

@neongamewave: you accidentally said that SURFER and h'el would assist in defeating Thanos who is on Thanos team. But it's clear u ment to say MMH

On topic I think Thanos could take MMH and H'el while surfer defeats or holds off darksied for the win

Team 1

Fixed the typo.

I could see this happening if the scenario changes in regards to Thanos fighting MMH and H`el instead of Silver Surfer fighting H`el and MMH.

@kingant27: No comment

@neongamewave: ya I think who fights who is what makes the battle

@neongamewave: I could see what you're saying about Thanos being overwhelmed, but he's taken on all the avengers at once. Also I think Surfer could at least take out H'el and weaken J'ohn quite a significant amount.

@cosmic_lantern: I agree In fact I think theirs defianatley a basis for saying that Surfer could take both H'el and MMH

I'm going with thanks and SS 9/10

Team 1

Thanos can solo.

This must be a christmas beat down in favor of Team 2 .

Team 2 got this .

@termiteone4ever: I didn't make this specifically in favour of any team, and going by the comments; Team 1 wins so far.

H'el solos. This is spite.

Marvel Team.

@hellblazing: how? Any member of team 1 can take him

Team 2.

Team 1.

I see no way of Surfer winning this . I dont see Thanos defeating no one here. With out his Amp of Buffs he is useless. Surfer cannot defeat all these characters on Team 2 . Your only claim is Cosmic awarness doesnt work in a fight like this . Show me any where in comics where by surfer is using this cosmic awareness in battles from enemies not of marvel universe or tired to their cosmic trend . Show me any where in comic where by silver surfer use this cosmic awareness in high speed combat. Martian if i recall is said to be invincible in astro planes if i recall . I may have to look back on that . It doesnt matter / Hel is going to make this fight darn easy. Thanos is going to need Flight to win and speed. Other than he is easily taken out of the fight.

Team 2.

Thanos and Surfer!

@hellblazing: solo's what? Your crazy..

@termiteone4ever: Then again you still don't know SS or Thanos well, and Cosmic Awareness would work in a fight like this.

And he can perceive time as one, and see the outcomes, even if the writers ignore some times, due to the extensive power set he possesses.

And almost nothing should work in outside there universe, however for battle purposes, it's logical and for Comic vine purposes; so that logic is flawed.

H'el isn't going to make it easy at all, you do know SS outclasses in basically every aspect, that's why it's 3 vs 2.

Thanos can fly, and he wouldn't need flight anyway, you have been using that flawed logic for ages, and you still haven't researched etc, like you said you was.

Jonn and Uxas duo.

Marvel.MMH can't beat SS.

Team darkseid

@kingant27: Team DC. Tag me 4 future battles too!!

@cdiddyman911: Sure.

Team 2 is getting no respect here. Darkseid can take thanks, especially with the help of MMH, after he beats silver surfer with h'el.

Tem two should win here.

Silver Surfer could drop H'El with TP and then at least stalemate Martian Manhunter

Thanos owns Darkseid, helps Norrin out, they win

H'el and MMH group on surfer, while darkseid gives thanos a taste of th OB, though surfer can beat both, due to superior speed.

uh, H'el is a telepath...

tough battle, I'm going with team DC. Darkseid can take Surfer who doesn't use most of powers in character, and MMH and H'el can at least hold off Thanos until Darkseid gets back, if not beat him.

If Silver Surfer abuses his transmutation powers he could immobilize team 2 greatly. However he likely wont giving team 2 the win

No. MMH and H'el get oneshotted or at least ragdolled by Thanos like every other superman+ level being (see Ronan, BRB, Thor, Hulk, Hyperion, Surfer himself, etc.)

If Darkseid takes more than a few seconds on Surfer, the other two are already done.

@bullettimer: H'el as TP and he is not the weak link as you make it seem.Surfer would get own quite easy.