Thanos (IG) vs Phoenix Force

No prep time and the fight is in space.

wasnt the living tribunal the only one who can stop thanos when he took the IG? 
if thats the case thanos takes this.

thanos with IG should win here

" wasnt the living tribunal the only one who can stop thanos when he took the IG? if thats the case thanos takes this. "

" @demifiend said:

" wasnt the living tribunal the only one who can stop thanos when he took the IG? if thats the case thanos takes this. "

Thanos was defeated by the flawless plan of Adam Warlock.. the Living Tribunal never participated in the threat of Thanos with the IG simply because Thanos was not upsetting the cosmic balance.. what he was doing was the oldest canon in existence, the stronger one survives.. what Thanos did is basically took over Eternity's role as the embodiment of reality..  "

" @lord_oraculous016 said:

" @demifiend said:

" wasnt the living tribunal the only one who can stop thanos when he took the IG? if thats the case thanos takes this. "

Thanos was defeated by the flawless plan of Adam Warlock.. the Living Tribunal never participated in the threat of Thanos with the IG simply because Thanos was not upsetting the cosmic balance.. what he was doing was the oldest canon in existence, the stronger one survives.. what Thanos did is basically took over Eternity's role as the embodiment of reality..  "

ok.  but in that point, i dont remember well. but The living tribunal was the only being capable for stoping the mad titan, right? "

Thanos wins this fight.

Phoenix force

I maybe a phoenix fan but i can still admit her defeat, but the op quoted the phoenix force, the phoenix force has no limit at all and is purely on a immortal level now in jeans body, jean is still one of the most powerful entity's but outside her body it will be even more powerful on a larger scale.

The Force itself has been pulverized by far less and with a host has never demonstrated anything on the level of the Infinity Gauntlet. Thanos wins easily.

" The Force itself has been pulverized by far less and with a host has never demonstrated anything on the level of the Infinity Gauntlet. Thanos wins easily. "

the IG was said to grant its wielder omnipotence, complete control over the aspects of time, space, power, mind, reality and soul.. it has feats to back it up, but the thing is, aside from the supposes omnipotence that came with it, the IG has never been shown capable of affecting more than one reality at best.. what has the IG done so far? defeat the cosmic abstracts, kill 1/2 of the universes population in a flick of a finger? impressive indeed.. but the thing is Jean Grey as the WPOTC also has complete control over all aspects of reality in its fundamental levels of sub-atomic scale.. she practically and figuritably (wait is that even a word? lol) held the entire universe in the palm of her hands.. she is doing all this with only the power of her mind.. feat-wise, wielders of the Phoenix Force has able to perform feats more impressive than what the IG has displayed so far.. the PF itself is the culmination of all that is, the sum total of all that exist in the multiverse/omniverse, all rolled into one awesome entity..the Living Tribunal could only care less about the IG and even depowered it with a flick of a finger, while the Living Tribunal and the Phoenix Force are both forces of nature and both speak in a language without words and respecting each other's purpose in the cosmic tapestry.. 

" @Prince CortSether said:

" The Force itself has been pulverized by far less and with a host has never demonstrated anything on the level of the Infinity Gauntlet. Thanos wins easily. "

Thats true but the official rating on the phoenix force page have scaled them to full, whilst thanos lacks even with his peak, it also states the phoenix is impossible to kill/ destroy which means no matter the power of thanos it will not kill phoenix, considering its a manifestation of the power of the universe controlling time. "

Thanos practically already beat Jean, he erased everything from existence with the Heart of the Infinite already (including Jean), except for Adam Warlock, whom he coudln't erase from his memory and Mistress Death, the one he loves. And with the IG he would have Omnipotence (sort of, only to be thwarted by the likes of LT and TOAA and maybe some others), and Omniscience. And with the latter he would have the upper hand.

" Thanos practically already beat Jean, he erased everything from existence with the Heart of the Infinite already (including Jean), except for Adam Warlock, whom he coudln't erase from his memory and Mistress Death, the one he loves. And with the IG he would have Omnipotence (sort of, only to be thwarted by the likes of LT and TOAA and maybe some others), and Omniscience. And with the latter he would have the upper hand. "

" @marvellover1 said:

" @Prince CortSether said:

" The Force itself has been pulverized by far less and with a host has never demonstrated anything on the level of the Infinity Gauntlet. Thanos wins easily. "

Thats true but the official rating on the phoenix force page have scaled them to full, whilst thanos lacks even with his peak, it also states the phoenix is impossible to kill/ destroy which means no matter the power of thanos it will not kill phoenix, considering its a manifestation of the power of the universe controlling time. "

And it's impossible to kill Shuma-Gorath but that doesn't make it stronger than the Infinity Gauntlet either.  "

" @marvellover1: Oh pardon me in that case Thanos wins by default since the Phoenix force cannot survive without a host. "

" @Prince CortSether said:

" @marvellover1 said:

" @Prince CortSether said:

" The Force itself has been pulverized by far less and with a host has never demonstrated anything on the level of the Infinity Gauntlet. Thanos wins easily. "

Thats true but the official rating on the phoenix force page have scaled them to full, whilst thanos lacks even with his peak, it also states the phoenix is impossible to kill/ destroy which means no matter the power of thanos it will not kill phoenix, considering its a manifestation of the power of the universe controlling time. "

And it's impossible to kill Shuma-Gorath but that doesn't make it stronger than the Infinity Gauntlet either.  "

True but still the official rating still beats Thanos at his peak obviously stating the phoneix force is more powerful. "

" Thanos practically already beat Jean, he erased everything from existence with the Heart of the Infinite already (including Jean), except for Adam Warlock, whom he coudln't erase from his memory and Mistress Death, the one he loves. And with the IG he would have Omnipotence (sort of, only to be thwarted by the likes of LT and TOAA and maybe some others), and Omniscience. And with the latter he would have the upper hand. "

" @marvellover1: I'm not doubting the phoenix, but ever since it needed to bound itself to a host it is limited to the capabilities of the host. It can't raise it's power outlet anymore than the hosts body allows it too. "

" @marvellover1: we'll let OP speak for himself what he meant with this battle, Jean with the phoenix force or the Phoenix Entitity itself. "

" @warlock360 said:

" Thanos practically already beat Jean, he erased everything from existence with the Heart of the Infinite already (including Jean), except for Adam Warlock, whom he coudln't erase from his memory and Mistress Death, the one he loves. And with the IG he would have Omnipotence (sort of, only to be thwarted by the likes of LT and TOAA and maybe some others), and Omniscience. And with the latter he would have the upper hand. "

Thanos did that with the HOTU, not the IG.. the HOTU is infinitely more powerful than the IG, that was even explained in that story arc when the differences of the Cosmic Cube, IG and HOTU were discussed.. also, was not serving as a Phoenix avatar back then.. still she was the first one on Earth to notice the threat of Akhenaten, and it was even her dialogue which started the entire story with the visual representation of her mouth telling the story.. Xavier also needed to tap from her power to make contact with Akhenaten, the then possessor of the HOTU.. Thanos wasn't able to erase Death and Adam Warlock because they resided in a realm outside the Marvel Continuity when Thanos erased everything (Death was in her realm and Adam Warlock was on Ataleza's domain).. aside from the two mentioned, the White Hot Room, the core of creation is also a domain beyond the continuity so therefore, if Jean was there, even she will not be affected by the HOTU..  "

well i dont think phoenix force is more powerful than eternity, what is the best it has beaten.

" @warlock360 said:

" @marvellover1: we'll let OP speak for himself what he meant with this battle, Jean with the phoenix force or the Phoenix Entitity itself. "

Okay well usually the term phoenix, means jean as its written phoenix/jean grey, the phoneix force is to its own name. "

" @Thor's hammmer: I'd agree to that as long as the Phoenix its self is meant in this thread "

" @marvellover1: It is the Phoenix itself "

"@Thor's hammmer: I'd agree to that as long as the Phoenix its self is meant in this thread "

Heart of the Infinite = HOTU  just a different name, yes it practically is more powerful than the IG (Or at least Thanos i think said it was) but what i was referring to was the Omniscience that the IG gives it's bearer(mind), and complete mastery over time & space, Soul, power and reality. And with those powers at his disposal his power array is wider then that of a host of the phoenix force.  "

" @lord_oraculous016: "Jean Grey being the Phoenix itself made flesh showed wider array of feats as displayed by any of the IG possessor.."
 
"

It don't matter this is the force as op stated

" @lord_oraculous016: point taken.   The IG only works in one reality and jean as depicted above had the power to control a entire orphan universe (multiversal feat). And yet, my question is, where does she benefit from a multiversal feat in a one on one? LT is the overseer of the Multiverse and yet he admitted that it would take a battle against Adam to take away the IG, even though the IG only controls one reality. In a way you are right though, that technically makes WPOTC have a wider array of power considering she can use her powers outside her own reality. "

" @lord_oraculous016: Jean ain't the multiversal one, phoenix is ;P 

" @warlock360 said:

" @lord_oraculous016: Jean ain't the multiversal one, phoenix is ;P 

Jean Grey as the White Phoenix of the Crown is a multiversal level being.

IG Thanos > 616 Eternity >>>>>Phoenix Force