Thanos and Doctor Doom vs Brainiac-5 and Ultra-Humanite

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Thanos and Doctor Doom

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Brainiac 5 and Ultra-Humanite

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-First Round is a chess match: Thanos starts off against Brainiac-5, and Dr. Doom Ultra-Humanite. If drawn between the two teams, the winning individuals face each other in another game.

-Second Round both teams have 3 months of prep to neutralize the other.

team marvel

Brainiac solos... Seriously.

Any of team one solo both rounds

Team DC

DC for round 2. Have no idea about round 1.

Second Round both teams have 3 months of prep to neutralize the other.

Ultra repeats his feat of upsetting the cosmic balance to erase his enemies form ever having existed ( the way he erased every hero from existence before) and then takes the power of a 5th dimensional imp again to make sure it sticks and no one undoes his work.

Thanos solos, Doom solos.

Doom solos.

:-P

@venomoustaco: @darkraiden: Ultra has a feat to match every one of Dooms best feats with 1/10 the the appearances and f all low showings to counter. Brainiac 5 has defeated multiversal threats Love to know how Doom Solos.

By taking their power....or just blasting them.

Team 1 calls up Reed

Dr.Doom finds a way to convert his ego into a omnidirectional blast which annihilates every universe in extistence

Team Marvel wins round 2 after Doom drains their powers and Thanos one-shots whats left with HoTU.

Round 1, I’m not sure if Thanos knows how to play chess. Doom’s pretty good, though.

@darkraiden: ultra also has feats ( plural) of taking power. Like laking the power of a reality warping 5th dimensional imp ( compatible to taking Beyonders power and unlike the doom feat against the will of the imp not with it said), absorbing the energies of the Titans and Infinity Inc and just absorbing the energy of half the country.

He started out as nothing more than a scientist and gave himself mental powers to match MMH and physicals to rival Superman. His force field ( always carried ) has tanked blasts that have put down beings capable of defeating Classic Fate

Neither option you present gives him an advantage

Team 1 wins, but I don't think as easily as some may think. Braniac and Ultra Humanite have equal amounts of chances to do damage to Team Marvel.

@thetruthiii: ultra is every bit as capable of draining team Marvel with prep as Doom. Nothing in the OP says that Thanos has the HOTU so normally unless stated we assume it's standard. Even if you assume he acquires it with prep ( which wasn't how he attained it to begin with it was happenstance so nothing supports that) what is to stop Brainy from simply grabbing the miracle machine from Legion HQ to equal??

What part of that stops him from having his powers taken? I mean just because you're good at taking powers doesn't mean you can prevent it. Plus Doom could magic away his powers like he did to Wiccan (make him think he doesn't have powers) and...having physicals comparable to Superman still allow you to fall to Doom's blasts....they've taken out some high level people.

@beatboks1: Doom is just all around awesome. :-P

P.S. - I really think he solos (how does one solo a chess match?), I just have a preference for him. With prep, things can mostly go both ways. I'm just rooting for Doom.

Team 1

Did you even think about this before replying??

This makes no sense at all. If we have a battle with two opponents both with a history of taking the powers or absorbing energy of others, and both have three weeks prep ( which would mean knowledge of the others as well). Why would the very first thing both do not be take measures to prevent their own power being taken? Of course if you know how to take powers you know how to prevent it. At the very least with three weeks prep you can certainly come up with it.

Ultra's Force field will be what takes Doom's blasts because it has taken cosmic level blasts before. Blasts as I said that have obliterated characters who's own power was sufficient to shatter Alan Scot's constructs and put Classic Dr Fate ( who is basically Classic Strange+ Superman + Captain Atom power wise) into a coma. His Force field has tanked blasts that have taken out a character even Corrigan Spectre could only defeat through BFR, but Doom will do it easily - Sure he will.

I don't see the power drain thing as an option for either team, because both can play the card. (1)Both teams can play time manipulation, (2)both teams can play cosmic altering / playing with balance, (3)Both teams can bring omnipotent artifacts to bear, (4)both teams can create very powerful minions to fight for them

1. both Brainy and ultra have histories of time travel and time manipulation. Brainy specifically aside from his time spheres also has his time viewer andc can watch any part of time meaning he can watch how team marvel will engage in battle at the start of the battle and how it will progress in the first hour or so of their three weeks prep and have the exact counter measures ready. Doom obviously is also capable of this.
2. Ultra already has a device he used to upset the cosmic balance and result in all the JSA etc never having existed so that he had a free hand.
3. Where Thanos can acquire the Hotu or IG (both of which would take him time out of his prep) Brainy can walk into his lad and get the miracle machine where it is stored in minutes. it allows him to reality warp and using that he could warp the IG, HOTU, and Dooms power drain devices out of existence ( something Ultra could replicate more than likely with the above device). Ultra has also acquired the powerstone, DC's hammer of Thor, Fate's helm etc.
4. Ultra has empowered normal humans before. he gave terry Curtis the pwoer to alter the molecular structure of anything making him Cylcotron. He gave a killer the power of electricity to become Deathbolt, he gave Will Everette the power to alter his own molecular structure and absorb the power of who or whatever he touched to become the first Amazingman. He gave Fairy tales Fenton his powers to become a DC Thor knock off. That's not even with the powers he's given himself. With three weeks Ultra could enter the battle with half a dozen (or more) herald level minions of his own creation.

This isn't a cut and dried battle where the outcome is forgone. There are hundreds of different scenarios that can take this either way.

I've seen nothing from any of them to prevent draining...except for Thanos. Ultra Humanite having herald level minions wouldn't do much but put more people for Doom to drain.

Time is probably more on Doom's side since he's stated to have something in his circuits to prevent manipulations of the time stream to affect him. Forcefeilds...well Doom has anti-forcefield weapons and still, nothing stops Doom from enchanting them to think they've been stripped of their powers as he did Wiccan.

And Doom drains drainers all the time, Surfer, Galactus, etc .And no, nothing Brainy or Ultra have can affect the HOTU, that's too powerful of an item (power of literally God) to do anything to.

Plus both Thanos and Doom are immortal so...they pretty much autowin.

@darkraiden: the miracle machine also has the power to do anything. What's your point?

None of the drainers Doom has drained do it the way Doom does ( with tech and prep - i.e. Building said tech) ultra does. The feats aren't compatible. Neither Surfer or G prep for battles either. Point completely moot, like most of your debate.

Being protected from time manip doesn't protect you from having your future actions watched and prepared for. When the way you'll fight throughout the battle is known to your adversary weeks before you start and their prep has been based on countering every specific action you'll take you don't need to manipulate their time line. Thames are canon feats for B5 who let's not forget has defeated Time trapper who's time protection and manipulation is magnitudes of order above Doom.

As for the immortal thing both Ultra and B5 have defeated several immortals so that just nothing.

Galactus does actually drain via tech so...yeah. And Doom's built something to block cosmic awareness, he can likely block time watching or...just have them following a doombot while he prepares in an entirely different dimension.

Then we have to consider all of Doom's OP doombots, mindless ones, etc. and Thans's Thanosii, one of which was stronger than Galactus. And the immortal thing is to point out that....they're intellectually close or w/e though Doom and Thanos start stronger, and they're immortal. It's the combination of facing someone => to you who's also immortal.

And Miracle Machine doesn't trump omniptoence as nothing does. Heart of Universe is literal omnipotence sorry.

@darkraiden:

Galactus drains energy with the power cosmic not tech. He has tech that sustains him etc but it has never drained anything. Nice try but complete and utter fail.

How do you propose he would even be aware to do so. Querl's time viewer is far from public knowledge in his own universe and time and the knowledge one normally gains is that freely accessible for all in a normal way.

You want to consider doom bots and the thanosi fine, Ultra has made robots that fought Superman even before he gave himself powers. B5 created clones of every member of the legion of Superheroes as well as a copy of their consciousness that he could instill in them and then used them to be a second legion. Once again we have equal feats.

The miracle machine already has "trumped" omnipotence in a canon feat, but what ever.

As per usual in a battle that is fairly even where really it's almost impossible to determine a victor one way or the other you no sell feats or undervalue them for poor reason. just like when you say Alan Scot is nothing because Grundy beats him ( which of course he doesn't/hasn't). even though Grundy is a character that if put in a fight vs Galactus could also likely stalemate because his power includes the ability to drain all energy around him to amp him and would therefore be in a fight with galactus as physically powerful as he is.

There is no way that this battle is anything other than a 5/5 split. depending on how it plays out arguments can be made for either side and anything stating other than that is pure fanboyism or just misinformed.

No...his tech literally drains planets for him. That's what all his tech does. That's a fact.

Well with time travel it'd be as simple as it happening and then Doom goes back and stops it.

When did Miracle Machine trump and erase omnipotence?

lol Grundy stalemating Galactus.

And no, I don't downplay or undersell, I simply don't know too much about the DC team and the feats you're describing don't sound all that impressive to me tbh. Also don't sound like they'd stop what Doom or Thanos could do.

@darkraiden:

I'd like to see scans becuase that's not how I've seen it ever

This ones the chicken and the egg. It happens Doom goes back and changes it which means B5 saw a different future and acted a different way. Any change made is still countered by the time Doom returns to the current time. Only works if he knows how they countered. If Time Trapper who has far greater control over time can't figure it out Doom won't.

I'll try and find the scans when it was used to stop kismet and another multiversal reality warper.

Grundy stalemated Classic Fate who has good showings vs Spectre ( the real Spectre / Corrogan not the crappy modern jobbers). Classic fate has defeated two universal level reality Warpers ( at once) and many sky fathers. During the tale when this happened Grundy absorbed so much energy he also developed TK

Time Trapper might have greater control over time, but Doom's smarter. Also beating Fate who beat skyfathers and reality warpers doesn't mean Grundy can beat those same people. Thor has beaten skyfathers and Galactus a few times, but it doesn't mean that when Loki or Beta Ray Bill, or Hulk, or whoever beats Thor that those same people can also beat skyfathers and Galactus, etc.

It's as simple as this: They spy on Doom, he goes back and sees they spied on him, now he knows. Whether they see a different future, Doom for a fact now knows they can use time tech to look in on him. Now it's as simple as using Doombots and magic to hide his work from them.

Grundy didn't "beat Fate" he stalemated him. he does this only because when he was around Fate ( and in that issue he was also facing Alan) he absorbed and was powered by the magic of fate as well as the power of Alan. he also early on absorbed all the radiation of the swamp he was in which was used as a dumping ground for radioactive waste.

The Nature of Grundy is that he is always powered and amped by the energy of the adversary he faces. Usually this is only in a physical means. This is why Grundy can be defeated by street level characters like Batman and Wildcat and can still solo teams full of powerhouses. When for example he fights the JLA he would be absorbing the store of solar energy in Superman, the magic that powers WW, the magic of Zatanna, the energy of Captain Atom or Firestorm (which ever is currently a member) etc. Similarly when he fights the JSA he absorbs the power of Dr Fate, Alan, Thunderbolt, Stargirl, Hourman 1 million, etc etc etc. The same would be true when he fights a being like Galalctus. his strength and durability levels would simply be much higher because of the energy character he's around.

The issue in which he stalemated Fate he'd absorbed so much power that it went beyond just physically amping him. He could actually move things with his mind because he was so amped.

It's a common misconception that Grundy has different versions. he actually doesn't he's simply more powerful around more powerful characters. If a character's powers aren't based on energy this doesn't happen. In his first appearance in All American he was shown absorbing Alan's energy construct and massively gaining in power. That's also how he was able to crush and destroy the lantern itself.

Grundy with nothing but the powers he has without the ability to drain energy would never beat Alan let alone Classic Fate or te3ams like the JLA and JSA. It is and always has been his ability to absorb energy that makes hi their equal and around Glactus he would be amped to levels we've never seen before. It's just how the character works. It's why he's a poor choice to use to benchmark anyone by because of that fact.