could darkseid and thanos take down the one known as monarch? no BFR no ripping the chest off to get a auto win for monarch fight can be won by kill or KO
@Samurai X: i don't know about that, thanks to ATphantom i have a new found respect for dakrseid and thanos is not gonna go down like nothing as well, plus both of them working together will be match for monarch
You know, I must point put that throughout the Countdown Darkseid has been portrayed as Monarch's equal or superior. With that said, nothing good came out of countdown so we shall not speak of it again.
" @Samurai X: i doubt monarch can do something like that, if so he would have done it to primes heat vision "
I believe he could (concerning heat vision), his energy manipulation abiities are considerable, and heat vision is yet another form of energy that he could mold to his musing.
" You know, I must point put that throughout the Countdown Darkseid has been portrayed as Monarch's equal or superior. With that said, nothing good came out of countdown so we shall not speak of it again. "
You mean the same one that was playing chess with the Monitor?
@Morpheus_: true but like AT said countdown will not be spoken of ahaha, still omega beams are a enigma when it comes to controlling them i think only darkseid has that right
" You know, I must point put that throughout the Countdown Darkseid has been portrayed as Monarch's equal or superior. With that said, nothing good came out of countdown so we shall not speak of it again. "
You mean the same one that was playing chess with the Monitor? "
Yes.
@Samurai X said:
" He think his energy manipulation would let him take control of his OB Just like Doctor Light was able to control Supermans HV "
Yes, but the crucial difference is, once Superman fires his heat beams, he has no control of it anymore. When Darkseid fires his beams, they are still under his complete control.
" @Morpheus_: true but like AT said countdown will not be spoken of ahaha, still omega beams are a enigma when it comes to controlling them i think only darkseid has that right "
I don't think he could control the Omega Beams. He could, however, attempt and open a portal in order to avoid being hit.
" You know, I must point put that throughout the Countdown Darkseid has been portrayed as Monarch's equal or superior. With that said, nothing good came out of countdown so we shall not speak of it again. "
You mean the same one that was playing chess with the Monitor? "
Yes.
@Samurai X said:
" He think his energy manipulation would let him take control of his OB Just like Doctor Light was able to control Supermans HV "
Yes, but the crucial difference is, once Superman fires his heat beams, he has no control of it anymore. When Darkseid fires his beams, they are still under his complete control. "
What if he just let the OB cross into the quantum zone then?
@Morpheus_: np at all, kinda my bad for not saying it, and if monarch does get infested by thanos then darkseid should pound him with some omega beam hits after that, or w/e ATphantom can pull out of the darkseid data base xD
" @Morpheus_: thast true, but it could leave him open to a full attack from thanos "
I don't believe Thanos possesses anything that could strain, or critically injure Monarch directly.
That is why I brought about mental attacks. "
He could be a nice distraction though. : ) "
Either one could prove to be a good distraction, giving an opening for the other to strike. That was my proposed tactic, all along.
@DC_Marvel_1000 said:
" @Morpheus_: np at all, kinda my bad for not saying it, and if monarch does get infested by thanos then darkseid should pound him with some omega beam hits after that, or w/e ATphantom can pull out of the darkseid data base xD "
" I believe Captain Atom resisted psionics in the old Brave and the Bold series I forgot the dudes name though "
Hmm. I regard Thanos' mental powers to considerable. Even though he may not be able to fully probe Nathan's mind and even try and shut it down directly, he could prove to be a good distraction, as Phantom suggested, to divert Monarch's attention from a possible OB attack by Darkseid.
" PC darkseid BFR's him. Modern darkseid won't be so lucky, if that's the case then Thanos will go down too after causing some trouble for Monarch.. "
He won't cause him any trouble without Darkseids help As soon as Thanos starts to irritate Monarch, there is nothing stopping him from vaporizing Thanos
With that being said, I'm backing up Atom here Monarch knows what DS is capable of, if DS can connect then I can see them winning If not then the team is gonna die
@AtPhantom: He could, but I imagine DS would take the easier route and I ignored the OP. this is actually hard for me to decide, since it's a win by knockout I say Monarch would win. Since Thanos got knocked out by the Maker I don't see how he'll stay conscious after he gets blasted by Monarch. Then it's between Monarch and DS. And since it's now current Darkseid I don't see how monarch is going to lose.
" hmmmm. interesting battle. i think monarch would win cause he can manipulate all those different types of energy. "
ATPhantom made a good point where Monarch might not be able to control the OB, but he has ways of getting around them, and with raw power can put these 2 out of commission
" @AtPhantom: He could, but I imagine DS would take the easier route and I ignored the OP. this is actually hard for me to decide, since it's a win by knockout I say Monarch would win. Since Thanos got knocked out by the Maker I don't see how he'll stay conscious after he gets blasted by Monarch. Then it's between Monarch and DS. And since it's now current Darkseid I don't see how monarch is going to lose.
"
Maker = Beyonder.
There is no shame in getting knocked out by the Maker.
" @Samurai X: yeah monarch can just teleport to the quantum dimension whenever darkseid uses the OB "
He wouldnt have to, he can just let the OB pass through, and even though they can traverse dimensions, Monarch has enough power output to vaporize both of these 2 pretty easily
@Morpheus_: I thought maker was the retconned beyonder after switching genders, going insane, and depowering herself by becoming mortal. I never read the 'Samatarian' story arc, but I think Thanos took her down too easily to actually be the real, original Beyonder.
" @Morpheus_: I thought maker was the retconned beyonder after switching genders, going insane, and depowering herself by becoming mortal. I never read the 'Samatarian' story arc, but I think Thanos took her down too easily to actually be the real, original Beyonder. "
Maker, aka Kosmos, aka the Beyonder was the eventual result of the union between the Beyonder and Molecule Man, in order to complete a new cosmic cube. Later on, Molecule Man was expelled from the union, powerless, and the Beyonder took on a human guise, becoming what was known as Kosmos. The vast energies could not be contained within a human body, and the overwhelming sensations she came to experience gradually drove her insane. That is the reason Thanos lobotomized her, and made it look easy - mental instability did not enable her to control her powers at the best of her ability. It is still not a low end feat for Thanos to get knocked out by such a being, especially seeing that he was caught unaware the first time they met - that is all I'm saying.
" @Morpheus_: I thought maker was the retconned beyonder after switching genders, going insane, and depowering herself by becoming mortal. I never read the 'Samatarian' story arc, but I think Thanos took her down too easily to actually be the real, original Beyonder. "
Maker, aka Kosmos, aka the Beyonder was the eventual result of the union between the Beyonder and Molecule Man, in order to complete a new cosmic cube. Later on, Molecule Man was expelled from the union, powerless, and the Beyonder took on a human guise, becoming what was known as Kosmos. The vast energies could not be contained within a human body, and the overwhelming sensations she came to experience gradually drove her insane. That is the reason Thanos lobotomized her, and made it look easy - mental instability did not enable her to control her powers at the best of her ability. It is still not a low end feat for Thanos to get knocked out by such a being, especially seeing that he was caught unaware the first time they met - that is all I'm saying. "
Is there a chance Thanos isn't as overrated as people say he is then? Various people dislike him, but he's lucky he wasn't incinerated by someone with power like the maker. From what you posted, does that mean she/he's still at power close to the beyonder's? I know she wasn't able to control her powers but wouldn't she still be powerful?
" @Morpheus_: I thought maker was the retconned beyonder after switching genders, going insane, and depowering herself by becoming mortal. I never read the 'Samatarian' story arc, but I think Thanos took her down too easily to actually be the real, original Beyonder. "
Maker, aka Kosmos, aka the Beyonder was the eventual result of the union between the Beyonder and Molecule Man, in order to complete a new cosmic cube. Later on, Molecule Man was expelled from the union, powerless, and the Beyonder took on a human guise, becoming what was known as Kosmos. The vast energies could not be contained within a human body, and the overwhelming sensations she came to experience gradually drove her insane. That is the reason Thanos lobotomized her, and made it look easy - mental instability did not enable her to control her powers at the best of her ability. It is still not a low end feat for Thanos to get knocked out by such a being, especially seeing that he was caught unaware the first time they met - that is all I'm saying. "
Is there a chance Thanos isn't as overrated as people say he is then? Various people dislike him, but he's lucky he wasn't incinerated by someone with power like the maker. From what you posted, does that mean she/he's still at power close to the beyonder's? I know she wasn't able to control her powers but wouldn't she still be powerful? "
People are overrating Thanos, for various reasons, but people underrate him, too.
No, Maker was not as powerful as the original Beyonder - she contained the full power of the cosmic cube she (or he) and Molecule Man were a part of, or at least, that is my understanding. Her powers decreased due to becoming human, as well.
" @Morpheus_: I thought maker was the retconned beyonder after switching genders, going insane, and depowering herself by becoming mortal. I never read the 'Samatarian' story arc, but I think Thanos took her down too easily to actually be the real, original Beyonder. "
Maker, aka Kosmos, aka the Beyonder was the eventual result of the union between the Beyonder and Molecule Man, in order to complete a new cosmic cube. Later on, Molecule Man was expelled from the union, powerless, and the Beyonder took on a human guise, becoming what was known as Kosmos. The vast energies could not be contained within a human body, and the overwhelming sensations she came to experience gradually drove her insane. That is the reason Thanos lobotomized her, and made it look easy - mental instability did not enable her to control her powers at the best of her ability. It is still not a low end feat for Thanos to get knocked out by such a being, especially seeing that he was caught unaware the first time they met - that is all I'm saying. "
Is there a chance Thanos isn't as overrated as people say he is then? Various people dislike him, but he's lucky he wasn't incinerated by someone with power like the maker. From what you posted, does that mean she/he's still at power close to the beyonder's? I know she wasn't able to control her powers but wouldn't she still be powerful? "
People are overrating Thanos, for various reasons, but people underrate him, too.
No, Maker was not as powerful as the original Beyonder - she contained the full power of the cosmic cube she (or he) and Molecule Man were a part of, or at least, that is my understanding. Her powers decreased due to becoming human, as well. "
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