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#1 Edited by Esquire (3742 posts) - - Show Bio

Info

The fight takes place in on a neutral planet. A planet that is centered in a merged DC & Marvel universe. So both universes characters won't be hindered by coming to a next universe. Also so that prep is accessible. But don't go thinking "I'm Braniac 5, and i'm going to go to Marvel's side of the universe to go prep". No you cannot do that. It's a universe that has been expanded by twice the size to fit both respective universes. Not only that, but the planet is also 8 times the normal size.

So think of the earth being as big as Kelper 4B

So for the sake of the battle their will be a boom tube that can take you to any place in the marvel or dc universe. But here is the catch. You only get 6 teleports. Meaning you can only be teleported 6 times. ( There and back ) Also if you have a character that can teleport, their teleportation abilities is nullified so that it does not give you unlimited teleports which others have. You only have 24 hours of prep. You can only grab equipment which has been used by the character in the past. But nothing uber like the Infinity Gauntlet or even the cubes, or anything along those lines. ( You guys should know what falls in that category ) If you character is going to create something, than their character has to have been shown to create something of that level in the past in that time. Your team is allowed to bring in 50 foot soldiers. Not 50 for each character. Nothing to extreme like, Superman calling the JLA, or Iron Man the Guardians Of The Galaxy.

Location

The location for this battle will be a mix of the Marvel universe's Savage Land and DC universe's Central City. The location will be reformed to mimic both of the locations.

Well I think I explained what I had to say about the battle above. Now here are the rules.

Rules

  • BFR is allowed, but can only be used as a last resort.
  • 24 hours prep for each team, and a boom tube with 6 teleports ( You can teleport 6 times )
  • Teams start 10 000 meters a part
  • Try to debate fair
  • Basic Knowledge on opposing team
  • If your opponent doesn't appear in at least 3-5 days you win ( Only if you made at least on post )
  • Just follow what I basically said in the top, lol

Esquire and Dredeuced:

  • Hank Henshaw (Pre-52)
  • Kyle Rayner (Current)
  • Joshua Coldrake (Pre-52)
  • Amazo (Pre-52)
  • Ultron (Current)
  • Superman Prime (Pre-52)

Dextersinister and Thedarklordpandemonium

  • Kid Amazo
  • Aptom
  • Magus
  • Vulcan/Darwin
  • Super Cable
  • Crusader Skrull
#2 Edited by Esquire (3742 posts) - - Show Bio
#3 Edited by Dextersinister (5090 posts) - - Show Bio

As killing each other when where babies is off the table we sent a clone into the future or by Marvel timeline laws into an alternate dimension where the fight is already taking place to scan from a distance and be pulled back in the same way Timazo was pulled forward and then pushed back using Cables ability to place people through time.

#4 Posted by Dredeuced (4428 posts) - - Show Bio

As killing each other when where babies is off the table we sent a clone into the future or by Marvel timeline laws into an alternate dimension where the fight is already taking place to scan from a distance and be pulled back in the same way Timazo was pulled forward and then pushed back using Cables ability to place people through time.

I don't think this would apply to a shared universe -- it's not like TGW has set this fight up so that it happens an infinite number of ways through an infinite number of universes. There's only one fight and we're having it now. Marvel's rules shouldn't apply to DC, considering DC's definitive future has been changed by altering events in the present many times (as any reader of Legion of Superheroes can attest, remember Mark Waid's threeboot after infinite crisis? What a mess).

#5 Posted by Dextersinister (5090 posts) - - Show Bio

@dredeuced: I was using Marvels rules as it's Cables form of teleportation and you assume that a characters powers work as they would in their own dimension.

#6 Edited by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@dextersinister: I'll just post the prep then, shall I? (post some stuff about Aptom, if you please.) Our 50 grunts will be Aptom's grunts. (Dex knows more about these than I do)

Quick character info:

Darwin-Infused Vulcan: The most powerful of the Marvel energy manipulators. He can control and absorb energy from any source, including magic and psionics.

he uses his psionic abilities to view false effects to shadowcat

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he uses his psionic abilities to view false effects to nightcrawler

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he uses his psionic abilities to view false effects to havok

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he uses his psionic abilities to view false effects to and a part of the x-men

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he shuts off the electricity in rachel summer's brain, stopping her telepathy

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he uses mind-reading

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out-runs some sh'aar ships implied to be going at light speed or thereabouts and owns 'em

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Next he uses his powers to make Kitty see a dead Colossus, he does this by controlling the energy in her brain or something.

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He then makes Nightcrawler see men hunting him the same way.

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Then he makes Banshee see Moira

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He makes Cyclops see his forgotten memory's. Impressive, no?

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Defeats the Scy'artal Eldest by cutting off the power he was gaining from the rest of his race:

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Owns Cerebro enhanced by Emma Frost, a feat putting him above every other telepath in the marvel universe even the phoenix

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uses his geokinesis powers to catch his falling spaceship

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vulcan uses his powers to disable cyclops and rachel summers powers

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The Limits of Vulcans Energy Manipulation Powers, he shuts off Rachel Greys powers, and shuts off her Phoenix Fragment(Phoenix Force Energy which is Cosmic Energy).

If you don't have time to look at all the scans then I would say scans 4,5 and 12 are the most relevant.(If you're wondering why Rachel thinks she has some sort of telepathy in scan 5 then see scan 6 and 12. It's Vulcan)

1. http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4958/phoenix7qb.jpg

2. http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/58/phoenix25uj.jpg

3. http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5928/phoenix33ei.jpg

4. http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/6813/phoenix44ry.jpg

5. http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5135/phoenix53to.jpg

6. http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/7446/phoenix69za.jpg

7. http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/9726/phoenix73qw.jpg

Vulcan using Rachel Greys powers while he is in a given radius of her.

8. http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/6770/phoenix87hf.jpg

9. http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/8619/phoenix92vq.jpg

10. http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/...hoenix105gy.jpg

11. http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/...hoenix116tt.jpg

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Goes at hypersonic speeds

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Darwin transcends to a higher form, when faced with an attack of unknown nature.

A little info on Petra and Sways reflex abilities. (Vulcan has all of these) Thus chronokinesis, a time field around his body much like Zoom.

He also roflstomps Black Bolt in a fight and smacks around an Omega-level-mutant-killing-Sentinel but I don't want to post all the scans as this is already a scan-fest.

Magus of the Technarchy: A Techno-Organic Being and thus immune to telepathy, incredibly strong and capable of duplicating and interfacing with any technological artifact. He also imparts the Techno-Organic Virus by touch, which basically owns anyone who doesn't have matter manipulation and turns them into a vegetable whose energy Magus can absorb.

Draining people of energy

http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/scans9/UX192_Magus.jpg

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/alien/technarchy2.jpg

Magus rips apart a star that was 'a thousand times bigger than the sun'.

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Now Magus is a "technorganic" being, with the ability to shapeshift and alter his size, and his size varies depending on how much power he has (the bigger he is, the stronger he is). His handbook profile lists his maximum height as 45 million miles (0.5 AUs):

Of course the diameter of the sun is 1,391,000 km and half an au is 72,420,480 km, so if we go by his handbook profile (he was the same size as the sun and max powered in that scan) then the star he ripped apart wasn't a thousand times the sun of the sun, but...*shrugs* MEH. Ripping a star apart is still pretty hardcore.

Now half an AU is actually 46,477,900 miles, so obviously the handbook writers were approximating here with one of the values, so to be conservative, I'll take the lesser one (45 million miles, or 72,420,480 km).

In the fourth panel, you can see Magus' outline as he beings to rip the star apart. Via pixel scaling, the combined width of the two halves of the star is 137,548,003.8 km. Of course, only about a hundred times the size of the sun instead of like a thousand, buuut close enough.

The volume of this star would thus be 1.362578394e24 km^3.

As its appearance is yellow and similar to our sun, I figure I can assign it the same density. That would make the mass of this star

1.918511139e36 kg.

Now due to the size and the fact that Warlock seemingly didn't get the idea to get the hell out of dodge until the star fragment had crossed most of the distance to the planet he was on, the throw was almost certainly FTL, so I'm not going to bother calculating it. I'll just calc the initial star-ripping part.

Inputting the star's radius and density into the gravity calculator, we get a surface gravity of 2766.32 gs.

Inputting this and the diameter into the planetary parameters calculator, we get a GBE of 2.152e51j. However, this is too high. An interesting passage in the wikipedia article on Gravitational Binding Energy states:

This is 80% greater than the energy required to separate to infinity the two hemispheres of the spherical mass.

This seems to aptly describe what Magus did.

So 2.152e51j / 1.8 = 1.195555556e51 joules, or

285,744,635,600,000,000 yottatons. (10^42 is a yottaton)

So yeah, pretty hardcore. And he did this as easily as if he was opening a door. The energy needed to blow up the earth is about 2^32 joules. The amount of energy Magus used was roughly 6^18 times more than this, enough to blow up about a hundred solar systems.

He can also scan entire galaxies. Kind of like what Warlock does here:

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080506101448/marveldatabase/images/5/58/Wa2.jpg

Except not really as much of a scrub.

Also immune to power-stealing, that's nice.

http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/scans9/UX192_vsMagus2.jpg

This is warlock transforming, because I couldn't find any scans of Magus unleashing a fleet of stars as large as a solar system from his fingertip.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080506101448/marveldatabase/images/f/fa/Wa4.jpg

This is Warlock telling Centurion that he could save him with the energy he has (which is like nothing at this point, maybe 1/10 of the lifeglow he got from one person) from death. Magus would just be like 'oh, you're dead? alright lemme bring you back, one sec'.

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Crusader Skrull: A Skrull with the Cosmic Ring, a fragment of the Cosmic Cube with the same power.

Shapeshifting is relatively generic, but his strength is reality warping. As I mentioned, the fragment has the same power -but how? Well, the Cosmic Ring's story starts with the fight of Super Adaptoid vs Kubik. Super Adaptoid has a fragment of a Cosmic Cube later revealed to be the Cosmic Ring, and Kubik is...well, a Cosmic Cube. Now according to Mephisto:

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Kubik restrains his power. (don't talk about Molecule Man and Beyonder, they're way away from Cosmic Cubes as far as I know) So he's slightly less powerful than a Cosmic Cube, but only because there are things he won't do. That's why they might say they're dust next to celestials or eternity, because they put limits on themselves. But when those limitations are taken away, well...yeah.

Super Adaptoid basically runs around until Kubik gets within range of him, then takes Kubik's power and removes him from the universe. Later, Super Adaptoid's systems are shut down...somehow, and Kubik is brought back online. This time Kubik attacks first, and removes the fragment from Super Adaptoid. This shows that the Cosmic Ring was equal to Kubik, who is more or less a standard cosmic cube being.

Anyhow, after that the Cosmic Ring comes to earth and it falls into the hands of Ringmaster, who uses it to kill a few heroes via heart attack (not much imagination, this one) and then shoot them out of cannons (nice). Of course, he gets beaten by Punisher who surprise stabs him from outside of the ring's sphere of influence, but really Punisher is like Batman -a plot device and master of PIS and plot armor. Curtis Doyle, 'Freedom Ring' then gets the ring, and uses it to basically just enhance himself so he has super-strength and speed and yada yada yada. Anyhow, he gets killed when Iron Maniac's armor explodes, expanding the distance between his brain and the cosmic ring to fifteen feet and then slicing off his finger.

Kid Amazo copies powers.

Kid Amazo is directly stated as more advanced than the Amazo who copied the Worlogog, a cosmic artifact that warps reality and time. Even with half of the Worlogog's power, that Amazo was nigh-omnipotent. He copies with DNA, and on a conceptual level.

Amazo and Kid Amazo are newer models than the one that copied the gog.

Kid Amazo has the exact same absorption cells, these are what allow Amazo to do what he does. It was even stated within the comic that he had the same abilities as Amazo bar also having the minds of the JLS. This made him use the powers better, as he had their minds -basically directly superior to Amazo, NBD.

God Cable, or Nathaniel Christopher Charles Summers, is Cable without the T.O. Transmode Virus restricting his telepathic abilities. In addition to a skilled soldier, he is an incredibly powerful and skilled telepath.

Comparing potential between Stryfe and Cable.

Cables potential exceeds Strfye. Cables powers unleashed knocked out, Strfye when they where released.

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Overcoming the Transmode virus infection.

Now it is in “The Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix” that he pulls off a mighty impressive feat. The Transmode virus has completely taken over, spreading itself all over its body. Nate who at the time is roughly around 11-12 years old manages to sub-due T.O. infection.

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Comparison, Nova to Cable.

This is by far no easy feat. Lets compare it to current times. Nova with the Full Nova Force and World Mind, at best could only place barriers to resist the inevitable take over of transmode virus.

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And its no fluke, Cable has essentially done so twice!!. The other time being when Cable overcame the Phalanx Embryo, to replace its missing T.O. mesh. And he did so in a cationic state.

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Talk about ball’s of steel and an Iron will. A 12 year old boy accomplished what, Nova with all his glorious tech couldn’t.

Now I want members to keep in mind, the words of former host of the Phoenix; Rachael Summers who at the time is vary old and vary wise.

This is a hint of what it would be like, if Cable could attain its full power with out burning out or going into critical mass.

Given time, your powers will develop naturally…your body and mind will be as one…and you will have no peer though out the universe!

You have only seen a small sampling of the raw power that Cable possesses…while I know exactly what he is capable of. He could cloak his presence from any or all of us if he so desired. He could spy on our every movement, our every word…and we would never know he was there. If he intends to kill me, he will succeed. - Stryfe

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Here and Now, Nate. You posses as much if no more power than me or any other Telepath combined. Telepathically you are strong enough to sense a stray thought a continent away. Telekinetically you could extinguish a star with something less than a conscious effort.

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It was young Cable that cut the psi bond between young Stryfe and Apocalypse. He also helped destroy a weaken Apocalypse (yet accessing Stryfe power) when he aided Jean and Scott.

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Now, guess what happens when that Cable DOESN'T have the TO Virus? Well, he has the same exact psionic signature as Nate Grey (X-Man) and thus the same exact power levels, akin to that of DARK PHOENIX! Except he's more skilled.

Nathan Grey is a paradoxical being born of a reality that never will exist.

Nate Grey was created from the genetic material of Scott Summers and Jean Grey on an alternate Earth

Nathan Christopher Charles Summers; while Cable takes place in the current MU, born from Scott Summers and Madelyne Pryor-Summers (Jean Summer Identical Clone)

Cable is infected by the T.O. and hinders him from achiving his potential while X-Man is free from any illness but has a set self destruct mechanism that will detonate after reaching a certain limit for a certain amount of time. Both were created by Sinister, both have the exact same power level when Cable doesn't have the TO virus.

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I guess shooting Cable at point blank range, to the head is not enough to kill him.

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Its later explained, that Cables TK act’s instinctively to protect him. Think of how your eye lid, will close when it picks up debri attempting to fly into your eye.

Know that he can tap into his TK (which is massive), he can prompt his healing factor.

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Take note. Despite the T.O. purged, Cable still retains his infer red eye.

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Oh, and guess what? He's got molecular manipulation with his TK! Somehow.

This is him vs Silver Surfer:

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Now, the general incorrectly says 'they're putting it back together'. False. Silver Surfer is not; Cable is.

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He is multi-tasking:

Keeping Province up in the air

Keeping Provenance safe from - the government - Six Pack - X-Men

World Level Telepathy

Vaporizing and Rebuilding everything back instantly (at an atomic level)

AND survives a Surfer speed-blitz. That's right, this is a serious Norrin.

Alright, so, y'know, Cable just did something not even Galactus or Tyrant could do. But it's cool! It's COOL. Unfortunately, Cable holds out until he can have a long conversation with Surfer on why he wants to do all this stuff with his newfound power, his power burns out, and Surfer manages to overpower him. That's right -just with Telekinetic molecular manipulation (no telepathy, he held back and only mind-linked them), Cable was going to beat the Surfer.

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^ that was him protecting him and Deadpool from a nuke, then creating a gravimetric field to stop the radiation, then getting all the bystanders out, then funneling the nuke into the gravimetric field.

Remembered I mentioned earlier, how his TK instinctively responds to danger? Its fast enough to respond to a lightning bolt.

Lightmaster engages Cable.

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Two things make this fight interesting.

1st - he is engaging a character who moves, things, and reacts at light speed.

2nd - Cable has gained Dead pools “Healing Factor”.

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Dunno much about Aptom, though apparently he can clone himself infinitely so that's nice.

Anyhow, here's our prep.

-Darwin-Infused Vulcan will direct all of his energy into powering up Magus. At full strength Magus is capable of ripping stars hundreds of times the size of our own in half and then casually throwing them at his son. (oh and he's that same size as well)

-Magus will, as a member of the Technarchy, make copies of Crusader Skrull's Cosmic Ring. He has the ability to interface with any object that can be built -as Cosmic Cubes have been built numerous times, he can obviously replicate the Cosmic Ring, which is just a fragment of a Cosmic Cube. At this point he will do exactly what the Goddess did, and merge these Cosmic Ring fragments together into a Cosmic Cube just as the Goddess did Cosmic Cubes into a Cosmic Egg. As she had no powers beforehand, gaining them all from the Cosmic Egg, this is easily done. Unfortunately, we are limited to a level above your level of reality warping, with our maximum being the Cosmic Egg, the most powerful artifact in existence and capable of creating a new multiverse. But tl;dr Magus spams Cosmic Cubes.

-Crusader Skrull will absorb the Cosmic Cube like Thanos did

-Kid Amazo will copy the powers of the Cosmic Cube; he has the same power-copying abilities as his father does, thus he'll copy the power of the Cosmic Cube just as Amazo copied the power of the Worlogog. Aptom will also then copy Kid Amazo's DNA, also having the power of the Cosmic Cube. Kid Amazo will also copy God Cable's telepathy.

-Aptom will then infuse his 50 clones/grunts with his DNA, giving them all the power of the Cosmic Cube.

-Cable has a time machine but is capable of placing someone anywhere in time without it if he has aid and access to his full potential. One of the Aptom copies would be more than enough assistance let alone fifty of them. TGW said you couldn't go back in time but we will use one of are teleport allowances to send an Aptom clone forward in time who will monitor the battle for a fraction of a second from a distance before being pulled back. This will not be are battle just an alternate timeline version so there is no interference but it will allow Aptom using Amazos power to copy any potential powers you will bring to the fight. He also has the abilities of a Gastal http://guyver.wikia.com/wiki/Gastal Which allows him to become immune to any form of sensory detection.

So we come out of our prep with:

Dark Phoenix Telepathy x infinity

Strength to move a million planets x infinity

Ability to manipulate magic on an equal level w/Dr. Fate x infinity

Super Energy Manipulation x infinity

Cosmic Cube reality warping/omnipotency x infinity

All the powers of everyone in the dang tournament x infinity

#7 Posted by Dextersinister (5090 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium: The 50 limit was just for henchmen you go off to acquire, duplication has no limitations unless the character has limitations.

#8 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@esquire @dredeuced

@thedarklordpandamonium: The 50 limit was just for henchmen you go off to acquire, duplication has no limitations unless the character has limitations.

well would you look at that

*hugs dex*

THE THOUSAND ARMIES OF PERSIA FALL UPON YOU!

OUR COSMIC CUBES WILL BLOT OUT THE SUN!

#9 Edited by Dredeuced (4428 posts) - - Show Bio
#10 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio
#11 Posted by Esquire (3742 posts) - - Show Bio

@dredeuced said:

The op literally states in the rules "but nothing like the infinity gauntlet or the cubes" right in it, though.

@thundergodswrath already said our prep was perfectly fine and I literally copy-pasted the prep me and Dex drafted on the day of the tournament sign-ups.

This is ridiculous, though. Your prep literally breaks one of the exact specifications in the rules.

Rules say: "But nothing uber like the Infinity Gauntlet or even the cubes, or anything along those lines."

You say: "the Cosmic Ring, a fragment of the Cosmic Cube with the same power." "Magus will make copies of Crusader Skrull's Cosmic Ring."

So you are quite literally saying something that is directly disallowed by the rules of the tournament. I don't care if TGW said it was okay until I see him amend the rules to allow it, or at the very least give a good explanation for why he's allowing it. Because it breaks the rules with astonishing specificity.

#12 Posted by Dextersinister (5090 posts) - - Show Bio

@esquire: That limitation was on what you could acquire not on what you could create, if the character had cosmic cubes in their garage they had to stay there.

I agree that the limitations are poorly defined and bar his limitation on one cosmic egg am unaware of how far we can go with prep.

#13 Edited by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@dextersinister said:

@esquire: That limitation was on what you could acquire not on what you could create, if the character had cosmic cubes in their garage they had to stay there.

I agree that the limitations are poorly defined and bar his limitation on one cosmic egg am unaware of how far we can go with prep.

Our limit was one COSMIC CUBE. Not a Cosmic Egg. However, with that one Cube, Kid Amazo copied its powers, then Crusader Skrull absorbed the cube like Thanos did, and then Aptom copied Kid Amazo's DNA, giving him the power of the Cube and the power to copy powers, and then went to the future w/one of our boom tubes and Cable's time machine, and got all the powers from the battle, then came back and infinitely cloned himself.

(the cosmic egg has the power to create new multiverses, lawl.)

#14 Posted by Dextersinister (5090 posts) - - Show Bio
#15 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium: I think we should limit it to a cosmic cube.

We are limited to a cosmic cube. I asked TGW, and he said the limit of prep was a cosmic cube. But we absorbed it, infinite-ized, etc.

#16 Edited by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@dredeuced: *shudders* oh lord I can attest to that. And I can attest to the fact that the whole 'no hax items' was basically in the event that somebody chose the Illuminati to get Infinity Gems -considering we used a very clever strategy to get a Cosmic Cube, thundergodswrath allowed it for our prep. Then we absorbed it, infinite-ized it, etcetera, etcetera.

#17 Posted by Esquire (3742 posts) - - Show Bio
#18 Posted by Dextersinister (5090 posts) - - Show Bio
#19 Edited by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@esquire: @dextersinister: @thundergodswrath: Said ONE Cosmic Cube was fine and didn't object to our prep from last round (which was exactly the same).

Magus is creating ONE Cosmic Cube during prep, much the same as countless AIM scientists have. Whether it's from duplication or just straight-up techno-interface-build, he's making one. Then Kid Amazo will copy its power, and Aptom will get Kid Amazo's DNA and thus his powers, and clone himself (just like Smith from the Matrix but with no limit) send a clone to the future with Cosmic Cube powers, get all the powers from their with Kid Amazo's copying, come back, and then that clone will clone itself infinitely, giving us an army of clones with those powers. Crusader Skrull will then absorb the Cosmic Cube as Thanos did, and we will have our clones train with the powers under a time-stop until ready.

#20 Edited by New_World_Order (11177 posts) - - Show Bio
#21 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio
#22 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio
#23 Edited by Dredeuced (4428 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium: There's nothing to debate. We greatly misinterpreted the allowed value of power level in this tournament and your "We have infinite cosmic cubes" is not a beatable scenario for anyone who isn't tossing abstracts into their team. We brought it up multiple times to you and TGW and have gotten no response.

#24 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@dredeuced:

What do you mean, no response? I answered the only question Esquire answered, which was our prep limit.

Though, great, a concession!

#25 Posted by Dredeuced (4428 posts) - - Show Bio

@dredeuced:

What do you mean, no response? I answered the only question Esquire answered, which was our prep limit.

Though, great, a concession!

Like I said, we were led to believe no one was allowed to have anything like the Cosmic Cube, and you say you're going to make infinite cosmic cubes. I think it's BS but TGW backs you up so there's no dealing with it.

#26 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@dredeuced:

Somebody asked a question about prep on the thread and TGW said that meant no bringing in items of that caliber, though you could build them.

#27 Edited by Esquire (3742 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium: Give me a minute, I'll try to come up with something suitably ridiculous. I have an idea, it just needs a bit of fleshing out.

#28 Edited by Esquire (3742 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium: @dextersinister @dredeuced

Prep:

Way back in JLA: Circle of Fire, Kyle Rayner was able to create fully functional Green Lanterns by channeling different aspects of his emotions. Some of these had superpowers in addition to their Green Lantern Rings. One of these Lanterns was Ali Rayner-West, who was a speedster capable of tapping into the Speed Force. Kyle created her by channeling his hope. In the New Guardians series, Kyle learned to tap into the entire Emotional Spectrum much more comprehensively than any Lantern before him, and has now mastered all aspects of it, including Hope. In the time since Circle of Fire, he's also had more experience creating other Lanterns, such as the Orange ones he's made using Avarice. His overall power level has also been much increased thanks to much greater experience and his current White Lantern status. With Amazo using his Martian Manhunter telepathy to exacerbate the Hope already in Kyle, the White Lantern should have no trouble making a whole bunch of Lanterns who can access the Speed Force. Since Aptom is creating lots and lots of clones, Kyle should have no limit on the amount of Lanterns he's allowed to create.

Ultron will use a Boom Tube to go to his lab, from which he will retrieve 40 of his alternate bodies and all the Adamantium he has at his disposal.

Cyborg Superman will use a Boom Tube to retrieve 10 Alpha Lanterns.

As soon as Kyle creates the first Speedster Lantern, she will start stealing speed from the planet and lending it to Kyle. This will let him create the second one faster, and she will then also lend him speed. This cycle will continue, with Kyle creating faster and faster until Ultron returns with his army. Then, most of the speedsters will start lending speed to the Ultrons, Cyborg Superman, and the rest of my team. The Ultrons will start building more Ultrons at superspeed, and the new Ultrons will then help build even more Ultrons. All at an ever increasing super speed pace thanks to the Speedster Lanterns that Kyle is churning out. Cyborg Superman's technopathy will help them to create even more quickly.

Superman Prime will be using his super strength and massively enhanced super speed to bring all the industrial metals from the whole planet and stockpile them around my base, where they can be used to build more Ultrons.

As the army of Ultrons grows exponentially, I will soon have thousands of minds smarter than Reed Richards himself. They should have no trouble creating psionic disruptors, which will wreak havoc with an opponent's TP and TK. They should also have no trouble copying Amazo's tech and incorporating it into the Ultrons, meaning all of them will get all the benefits of being an Amazo as well as an Ultron.

A few of the Ultrons will be Boomtubed to Ultron's lab, where they will retrieve every combat-useful invention it contains. These will all be brought to our base, where Amazo will copy all of their abilities.

Battle

When the battle starts, Cyborg Superman's massively amped speed will let him take over Warlock and your original Cosmic Cube faster than your team can react. The dozens of Speedster Lanterns will then lend tons of speed to Warlock, making him far faster than your team. He will run around infecting your team with the Techno-Organic Virus, which will be taking effect at similarly amped speeds. The Speedster Lanterns will be stealing speed from your team, and Cyborg Superman will be using his Cosmic Cube and massively amped speed to sap all the speed from your team before they can start to react. Every time Warlock infects one of your Aptoms, our thousands of Ultrons will be able to take them over with technopathy and enhanced speed, then using the acquired Cosmic Cube powers to slow your team even more. Amazo's massively amped speed will also let him copy and use your Cosmic Cube powers before your team can react. The battle will continue with your team slowed far too much to react to our superior speed, and will end with your team all converted by the TO Virus and bonded to the will of Cyborg Superman and my Ultrons.

#29 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@esquire:

Your...partner already conceded. You should probably check with him unless you have a conflict of interest.

@thundergodswrath:

Can you make sure Esquire's prep is OK?

#30 Posted by Dredeuced (4428 posts) - - Show Bio

@esquire:

Your...partner already conceded. You should probably check with him unless you have a conflict of interest.

@thundergodswrath:

Can you make sure Esquire's prep is OK?

*Makes infinite cosmic cubes using prep*

*Asks if someone else's prep is allowed*

If Esquire wants to battle it out that's fine by me. I suppose that's what having 2 people accounts for

#31 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@dredeuced:

Our prep was specially approved more than a week before the tournament started, mate.

#32 Posted by Esquire (3742 posts) - - Show Bio

@esquire:

Your...partner already conceded. You should probably check with him unless you have a conflict of interest.

TGW:

Can you make sure Esquire's prep is OK?

Out of curiousity, do you actually have a problem with my prep strategy, or are you just hoping that you don't have to attempt a counter for it?

And if @dredeuced doesn't want to have this debate, I totally respect that. I've made one post and the debate is already so contrived as to seem banal, I just came up with something ridiculous yet plausible because I'm irked by the way the rules have been stretched.

#33 Edited by DireDrill (2070 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium: It should be noted that Kid Amazo is a merging of Amazo's Absorption Cells and Human Cells. His Absorption Cells are still tech not biological.

#34 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@diredrill:

We've already had this debate, man. You know I don't agree with you, I know you don't agree with me.

#35 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@esquire:

I have quite a few counters.

But if I don't have to use them I won't.

#36 Posted by New_World_Order (11177 posts) - - Show Bio

@dredeuced: Why would anyone believe they would be allowed to make infinite amounts of Cosmic Cubes? No, it's not okay.

#37 Posted by Dredeuced (4428 posts) - - Show Bio

@dredeuced: Why would anyone believe they would be allowed to make infinite amounts of Cosmic Cubes? No, it's not okay.

Because since this thread has started that was literally what they said they were doing and, when you were tagged to see if it was okay, you never responded and they proceeded to say you had approved this line of prep weeks ago.

Here, read the outcome of his prep:

So we come out of our prep with:

Dark Phoenix Telepathy x(54+however many times Aptom can clone in 24 hours-50)

Strength to move a million planets x(54+however many times Aptom can clone in 24 hours-50)

Ability to manipulate magic on an equal level w/Dr. Fate x(53+however many times Aptom can clone in 24 hours-50)

Super Energy Manipulation x(54+however many times Aptom can clone in 24 hours-50)

Cosmic Cube reality warping/omnipotency x(54+however many times Aptom can clone in 24 hours-50)

All the powers of everyone in the dang tournament x(52+however many times Aptom can clone in 24 hours-50)

#38 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@thundergodswrath:

We're not.

I asked you if we could make one.

You said sure.

We made one.

We didn't make an infinite amount.

We made one.

#39 Posted by Dredeuced (4428 posts) - - Show Bio

@thundergodswrath:

We're not.

I asked you if we could make one.

You said sure.

We made one.

We didn't make an infinite amount.

We made one.

x54 x however many times aptom can clone which, by your own estimation, is infinite.

#40 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@dredeuced:

I have explained this so many times I am beginning to get bored.

Magus makes ONE Cosmic Cube.

Kid Amazo absorbs its power.

Aptom absorbs his DNA and thus all his powers, then teleports to the future and gets all powers, then comes back and clones himself infinitely.

The entire process took only one cosmic cube which was already approved.

#41 Edited by Dredeuced (4428 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium said:

@dredeuced:

I have explained this so many times I am beginning to get bored.

Magus makes ONE Cosmic Cube.

Kid Amazo absorbs its power.

Aptom absorbs his DNA and thus all his powers, then teleports to the future and gets all powers, then comes back and clones himself infinitely.

The entire process took only one cosmic cube which was already approved.

We're not disagreeing, here. I suppose you're trying to play semantics to say "it's not infinite cosmic cubes, it's infinite beings who are exactly like cosmic cubes"

#42 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@dredeuced:

Okay.

But TGW seemed to think we were using infinite cosmic cubes instead of the one we were allowed to build.

It's the difference between breaking the rules and being a good strategist.

#43 Posted by Esquire (3742 posts) - - Show Bio
#44 Posted by Dextersinister (5090 posts) - - Show Bio

@esquire: You are assuming that Kyle has no limit on how many mental constructs he can pop out.

Through Kid Amazo we too have access to not only Wally and Kyles power but also their minds. Not actually going to use the kid himself as he can go a bit nanners, just have Cable harvest the potential.

We also sent a krona shielded Aptom clone into the future to observe the battle and be pulled back to harness all your prep.

We have only used one of are 6 teleports for prep.

The rules on this fight where a bit open ended and this could be a never ending battle of one up manship.

#45 Posted by Esquire (3742 posts) - - Show Bio

@dextersinister: With his currently enhanced power level and the fact that he's being telepathically bolstered by Amazo, (and Ultron has had telepathy in various incarnations, [along with the Absorption Cells letting them absorb Amazo's Martian Manhunter telepathy], so I can have Ultrons telepathically bolster him, too, if necessary), he should be able to make quite a few. I'm not going to claim there is no limit, but there should be an awful lot of Speedster Lanterns running around by the time he wears out.

But none of the Amazos have ever showed any sort of mastery of the Speed Force outside of basic super speed. Wally was able to defeat one of the later pre-52 Amazos by speedstealing it, for example, and it wasn't able to counter that or steal any speed to regain mobility.

How is knowing that I plan to kill you all before you can react going to prevent you all from dying before you can react? And pardon my ignorance, but what's Krona got to do with this? Different Krona, or am I just confused? And what keeps the clone from being slaughtered by an army of lightspeed+ Ultrons and the like, since it is literally identical to the thousands of Aptom clones that my team will be slaughtering?

I only used 3, but I don't see why that matters.

I very much agree, this is not going to be a very productive debate. But at least @thedarklordpandamonium will stop spamming me with threats in an effort to make me post.

#46 Edited by Dextersinister (5090 posts) - - Show Bio

@esquire: The aptoms have absorbed the powers of Kid Amazo along with his absorption ability so the the clone sent to observe from the outskirts of the battle will bring back more than souvenirs.

Standard Amazo only had the powers, Kid Amazo also had the minds which is why he was more of a potential threat, this will allow us to also implant the skill of Wally into the team through telepathy.

The identical Aptom clone will have all the absorbed powers of are team through a combination of his own absorbing powers and his newly acquired amazo powers so he to will also be super fast the difference being he can re-arrange his body to improve on the abilities rather than use them as standard also his own ability to remain invisible to the senses, Vulcan/Darwins adaptability and his own regenerative abilities. His entire mind is also in every cell of his body which is how he can create clones of himself so as long as he has witnessed the battle all we need to pull back is a few scraps which will proceed to regen.

Krona shields just prevent you from being messed up by time related attacks or events and probably won't even be relevant but better safe than sorry.

#47 Posted by oceanmaster21 (6319 posts) - - Show Bio

this is goid

#48 Edited by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@esquire said:

@thedarklordpandamonium: @dextersinister @dredeuced

Prep:

Way back in JLA: Circle of Fire, Kyle Rayner was able to create fully functional Green Lanterns by channeling different aspects of his emotions. Some of these had superpowers in addition to their Green Lantern Rings. One of these Lanterns was Ali Rayner-West, who was a speedster capable of tapping into the Speed Force. Kyle created her by channeling his hope. In the New Guardians series, Kyle learned to tap into the entire Emotional Spectrum much more comprehensively than any Lantern before him, and has now mastered all aspects of it, including Hope. In the time since Circle of Fire, he's also had more experience creating other Lanterns, such as the Orange ones he's made using Avarice. His overall power level has also been much increased thanks to much greater experience and his current White Lantern status. With Amazo using his Martian Manhunter telepathy to exacerbate the Hope already in Kyle, the White Lantern should have no trouble making a whole bunch of Lanterns who can access the Speed Force. Since Aptom is creating lots and lots of clones, Kyle should have no limit on the amount of Lanterns he's allowed to create.

I know I'm being a bother, but can I just get some scans of these guys? I've heard Kyle can do it, but...yeah.

Ultron will use a Boom Tube to go to his lab, from which he will retrieve 40 of his alternate bodies and all the Adamantium he has at his disposal.

K.

Cyborg Superman will use a Boom Tube to retrieve 10 Alpha Lanterns.

K.

As soon as Kyle creates the first Speedster Lantern, she will start stealing speed from the planet and lending it to Kyle. This will let him create the second one faster, and she will then also lend him speed. This cycle will continue, with Kyle creating faster and faster until Ultron returns with his army. Then, most of the speedsters will start lending speed to the Ultrons, Cyborg Superman, and the rest of my team. The Ultrons will start building more Ultrons at superspeed, and the new Ultrons will then help build even more Ultrons. All at an ever increasing super speed pace thanks to the Speedster Lanterns that Kyle is churning out. Cyborg Superman's technopathy will help them to create even more quickly.

Um...so can I get some scans of her stealing speed from the planet?

Superman Prime will be using his super strength and massively enhanced super speed to bring all the industrial metals from the whole planet and stockpile them around my base, where they can be used to build more Ultrons.

As the army of Ultrons grows exponentially, I will soon have thousands of minds smarter than Reed Richards himself. They should have no trouble creating psionic disruptors, which will wreak havoc with an opponent's TP and TK. They should also have no trouble copying Amazo's tech and incorporating it into the Ultrons, meaning all of them will get all the benefits of being an Amazo as well as an Ultron.

Scans of psionic disruptors?

A few of the Ultrons will be Boomtubed to Ultron's lab, where they will retrieve every combat-useful invention it contains. These will all be brought to our base, where Amazo will copy all of their abilities.

Battle

When the battle starts, Cyborg Superman's massively amped speed will let him take over Warlock and your original Cosmic Cube faster than your team can react.

Uh...who's Warlock? And there is no Cosmic Cube anymore. Crusader Skrull absorbed it.

The dozens of Speedster Lanterns will then lend tons of speed to Warlock, making him far faster than your team. He will run around infecting your team with the Techno-Organic Virus, which will be taking effect at similarly amped speeds.

Who's Warlock? How'd you get the TO-Virus?

The Speedster Lanterns will be stealing speed from your team, and Cyborg Superman will be using his Cosmic Cube and massively amped speed to sap all the speed from your team before they can start to react.

Where'd you get a Cosmic Cube? Our original one was absorbed and then destroyed.

Every time Warlock infects one of your Aptoms, our thousands of Ultrons will be able to take them over with technopathy

How does technopathy relate to taking over a living being?

and enhanced speed, then using the acquired Cosmic Cube powers to slow your team even more. Amazo's massively amped speed will also let him copy and use your Cosmic Cube powers before your team can react. The battle will continue with your team slowed far too much to react to our superior speed, and will end with your team all converted by the TO Virus and bonded to the will of Cyborg Superman and my Ultrons.

I legitimately don't understand how on earth you're going to do this when Thanos post-absorption of the cube was basically nigh-omnipotent. You know we can stop time, right? And that Kubik has traveled across the universe in an instant? And punked the Beyonder on his own territory?

Hell, with your theory Wally West could beat Kubik! XD

Also, it's worth noting that we already have every single power in the battle due to the Cable teleporting thing...so we already have an infinite army of characters with speed equal to yours.

Except our infinite army has Cosmic Cube powers, and yours doesn't.

It's also worth noting that we get access to lightspeed as well, since Kid Amazo+Aptom...yeah...e_e

#49 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@thundergodswrath:

So since we're only making one cosmic cube like you said we could, is our prep alright?

#50 Edited by New_World_Order (11177 posts) - - Show Bio