Terry McGinnis vs. Jason Todd vs. Tim Drake vs. Dick G vs DamianW

" @TimDrakeRedRobin said:

" .  Dick has never been trained in lethal arts But he has mad skills lol.  "

He may not practice it but he was trained in them.Back when the nightwing issue first appeared some assasin was paid to kill dick grayson by some tyrant his first blow was some instant one hand kill technique which he remember bruce thought him so he counter attacked it.He knows lethal techniques but chooses not to use them since its in his nature to not kill.....unless hes extremely pissed off i.e. joker,  Shrike (before he landed the blow someones screams made him stopped), blockbuster(he didnt kill him but he got out of the way to let someone shoot him,,. "

"Nah it goes Dick>Tim>Jason>Damian>Terry  "

No way Terry would be last on this list lol...

Damn, lots of debate to read thru(nice stuff guys)

Good point ^ in season three right?

Terry and/or Jason maybe

Dick or Jason...

Dick. 

Now that I think even more about it, I'm thinking 
 
Terry>Dick>Jason

Terry should take it or Jason

Bump...Sooo Far this looks like Terry because he has better armor... But over all I like Jason Todd. Red hood movie was kickass and Batman even said he'd never seen someone so gifted... I'm gonna say Todd (thought maybe I'm biased) >> Grayson >> McGinnis >> Drake>>> Wayne

Dick Grayson

"Terry is Bruce's clone. He knows all the fighting techniques of the Robins, plus he's a street fighter with a better suit.   Terry wins even without the suit.  "

"@Superguy1591 said:

"Terry is Bruce's clone. He knows all the fighting techniques of the Robins, plus he's a street fighter with a better suit.   Terry wins even without the suit.  "

Terry is Bruce's SON. "

If Terry had his cloaking he would win 10/10. But he doesn't have it. 
 
Dick wins.

"@RedRobin92 said:

"Dick is the most tactical, he'll take out jason by manipulating his excessive anger and recklessness, just like in Batman Battle for the Cowl. Purely in skill, Dick will overcome Damian and Tim. As for Terry, without Bruce directing him and having to handle himself on his own, Dick is smarter by far and will outsmart Terry. Dick is best all around.  "

I agree with some of your statements, but not all of them. I think it's highly debatebal who is the best tactition here. I'd honestly put Drake and Todd right up there with him, if not higher in some areas. Dick is no doubt the best when leading a team into battle, being the commander and all.   I don't agree Dick is the best overall in every category, my opinion ofcourse. Though I do agree when all stats are put together Dick is the best. But with the playa's in this fight I don't see him winning. "

Terry is Bruce's son via DNA genetics from Amanda Waller. He's more or less a clone of Bruce but in a way his son too thru the Cadmus project that Amanda Waller at the time was in charge in.. 
 
@Supermanwith, hmm interesting post and thanks for posting! Not sure though if I'd say all the guys Wayne trained are better then him in his prime though lol but to each his own. 
 

Yeah, plus Terry can cloak too(why he doesn't use this more I don't know lol)

"  The fight here is between Dick and Terry (as most of us would agree )  Terry's suit give him meta human strength and speed , agility  i think.   They're close in h2h but i'd say that Dick is the more skilled fighter.   Terry has a lot better gadget's , due to being from the future and most of Dick's gadgets will be useless on Terry' suit .  Terry also has the ability to fly advantage , i'd say Terry wins this. "

" @CaptainRodgers said:

"  The fight here is between Dick and Terry (as most of us would agree )  Terry's suit give him meta human strength and speed , agility  i think.   They're close in h2h but i'd say that Dick is the more skilled fighter.   Terry has a lot better gadget's , due to being from the future and most of Dick's gadgets will be useless on Terry' suit .  Terry also has the ability to fly advantage , i'd say Terry wins this. "

I kinda agree but then again both Dick and Tim were defeated by Todd. Though it would seem that Jason and Dick are = since they seem to go back and forth with Jason typically refusing help from Dick. Jason is good with the psychological games, great withi his weapons and H2H is probably around the same as Dick (since he held off dick and tim at the same time in "Batman: Battle for the Cowl" before stabbing Tim in the chest and jumping into gotham river).. Terry only wins because of his suit. Without it he's behind Todd, Grayson, and Drake (imo). "

McGinnis should win here.

Terry has this.

Terry- I haven't seen "Batman Beyond" so I can't say anything about him. :( 
 
Damian- He isn't really in this fight. Tim took him down with one move. Jason took him down. He loses almost immediately. 
 
Jason- He has an advantage because he isn't afraid to kill and that has become part of his fighting. I know that in this situation all of them can kill, I'm just saying that Jason has more experience fighting like this. He's beaten Dick and Tim, but Dick was holding back, so I think Dick would beat him. Tim has gained a lot of skill since they last met, so I think Tim would win also, but just barely. 
 
Tim- As someone else said he just needs the opportunity to use the leopard blow and he has won. He has beaten Dick before, but that might have been a fluke.  
 
Dick- The winner. He has the most experience and natural skill. He would probably be injured and tired by the end, but he would still win. 
 
OR 
 
Tim sees the fight coming and poisons everyone's food beforehand like he did with Shiva, so he wins.

Richard Grayson

So is it without prep AND no morals 
 Grayson > Drake > Todd > McGinnis (non canon isnt he?) > Wayne (Damian)
 
with prep AND no morals 
Drake >>> Grayson >> The rest honorable mentions?

Dick Grayson, and here's why:
 
Vs Terry: Dick has plenty of experience fighting someone in a better suit and with better equipment and that someone is a lot more dangerous than Terry: Deathstroke who Dick has also beaten a few times in one on one combat.  The same cannot be said for any of the others and it cannot even be said for Bruce because he is simply not fast enough to handle Slade and minus their first fight (which he still lost btw) he needs at least one other person helping him to be Slade.
 
Vs Tim: What everyone needs to know is that Tim is not as good of a fighter as Dick and never will be.  It doesn't matter if he knows the lepard blow or not he still falls easily.  Tim skills lie in his detective work and that is the only place he outshines the others.  But as a fighter he can barely handle Jason and Damian's beat him so really, Tim's the first to go down.
 
Vs Damien: Despite his training he's still not Deathstroke or any of the other dangerous people that Dick has fought.  Again, he's taken down Tim so that slides him up a bit in chances, but Jason or Terry will likely be the one to take him down because he's way to cocky and will get into trouble.  If not one of those two, then a couple of kicks from Dick will take him down.
 
Vs Jason: Jason's only real advantage he has over Dick most of the time is that Dick still keeps trying to offer help while  Jason stays ruthless keeps trying to kill him and even then Jason barely stands a chance when Dick's not really IN the fight.  His skill however, is still not a match for Dick if he even starts fighting close to all out.
 
@Supermanwithatan01 said:

@CaptainRodgers said:

"  The fight here is between Dick and Terry (as most of us would agree )  Terry's suit give him meta human strength and speed , agility  i think.   They're close in h2h but i'd say that Dick is the more skilled fighter.   Terry has a lot better gadget's , due to being from the future and most of Dick's gadgets will be useless on Terry' suit .  Terry also has the ability to fly advantage , i'd say Terry wins this. "

I kinda agree but then again both Dick and Tim were defeated by Todd. Though it would seem that Jason and Dick are = since they seem to go back and forth with Jason typically refusing help from Dick. Jason is good with the psychological games, great withi his weapons and H2H is probably around the same as Dick (since he held off dick and tim at the same time in "Batman: Battle for the Cowl" before stabbing Tim in the chest and jumping into gotham river).. Terry only wins because of his suit. Without it he's behind Todd, Grayson, and Drake (imo).

Dick should gain the majority, Jason would be a close second though.

Dick Grayson, and here's why:
 
Vs Terry: Dick has plenty of experience fighting someone in a better suit and with better equipment and that someone is a lot more dangerous than Terry: Deathstroke who Dick has also beaten a few times in one on one combat.  The same cannot be said for any of the others and it cannot even be said for Bruce because he is simply not fast enough to handle Slade and minus their first fight (which he still lost btw) he needs at least one other person helping him to be Slade.
 
Vs Tim: What everyone needs to know is that Tim is not as good of a fighter as Dick and never will be.  It doesn't matter if he knows the lepard blow or not he still falls easily.  Tim skills lie in his detective work and that is the only place he outshines the others.  But as a fighter he can barely handle Jason and Damian's beat him so really, Tim's the first to go down.
 
Vs Damien: Despite his training he's still not Deathstroke or any of the other dangerous people that Dick has fought.  Again, he's taken down Tim so that slides him up a bit in chances, but Jason or Terry will likely be the one to take him down because he's way to cocky and will get into trouble.  If not one of those two, then a couple of kicks from Dick will take him down.
 
Vs Jason: Jason's only real advantage he has over Dick most of the time is that Dick still keeps trying to offer help while  Jason stays ruthless keeps trying to kill him and even then Jason barely stands a chance when Dick's not really IN the fight.  His skill however, is still not a match for Dick if he even starts fighting close to all out.
 
@Supermanwithatan01 said:

@CaptainRodgers said:

"  The fight here is between Dick and Terry (as most of us would agree )  Terry's suit give him meta human strength and speed , agility  i think.   They're close in h2h but i'd say that Dick is the more skilled fighter.   Terry has a lot better gadget's , due to being from the future and most of Dick's gadgets will be useless on Terry' suit .  Terry also has the ability to fly advantage , i'd say Terry wins this. "

I kinda agree but then again both Dick and Tim were defeated by Todd. Though it would seem that Jason and Dick are = since they seem to go back and forth with Jason typically refusing help from Dick. Jason is good with the psychological games, great withi his weapons and H2H is probably around the same as Dick (since he held off dick and tim at the same time in "Batman: Battle for the Cowl" before stabbing Tim in the chest and jumping into gotham river).. Terry only wins because of his suit. Without it he's behind Todd, Grayson, and Drake (imo).

Jason didn't fight Tim and Dick at the same time.  Tim had run off, found the cave that Jason was using (while in a Batsuit that didn't fit him) and then proceeded to fight with him and at the end getting stabbed in the chest with a batarang.  Dick then later shows up and proceeds to get through every thing that Jason throws at him with relative ease (even being sprayed with Scarecrow's fear gas which he remarks doesn't really affect him anymore) before he kicks Jason off the edge of the train after the latter throws the cape and cowl at him as a distraction.  Dick appeals to Jason again but Jason then just lets go of the train and falls into the water.

@TimDrakeRedRobin: I love tim drake as robin well in any form I think TIM is a threat too why is everyone so with terry I own Both terry batman cartoon movies and he never won a fight until he was sureduper determend and even then it was a close fight plus we have the threat of assan boy[damien] and mr. weapons[Josone] and the best and first teenage superhero ever [Dick] so it is a realy close fight my mony is on Tim.

Too many variables to be sure. Tim could do it with planning. Dick is best with spur of the moment response. Damian doesn't stand a chance. Jason uses lethal force, so he could do it if nobody disarmed him. Terry wouldn't stand a chance without his suit, but with it, he has a very good shot just based on superior tech. He also has less experience than most.

@PsychoKnights said:

Too many variables to be sure. Tim could do it with planning. Dick is best with spur of the moment response. Damian doesn't stand a chance. Jason uses lethal force, so he could do it if nobody disarmed him. Terry wouldn't stand a chance without his suit, but with it, he has a very good shot just based on superior tech. He also has less experience than most.

1. Dick
2. Terry
3. Jason
4. Tim
5. Damian

jason would lose maybe because everyone would see him as the most dangerous seeing as how he whipped all their tails except for terry. then they would look at each other and fight........winner, would be Tim!! Nightwing would trust tim to take terry, but tim would off nightwing, while damien would off terry dude to terry understemationg him. Then damien would turn to tim and tim would say, good job and pat him on his back planting a c4 charge.......time wins.

@AngelicPhoenix: Grayson would beat Jason alone since he has. Terry can as well.

Dick cause he's just bad ass and has enough experience to take down the toughest of foes. Terry will come second because of his tech, but then again, Red Robin's Leopard blow and Jason's retard anger control and wit would create a damn awesome three way fight...

1. Dick

2. I HAVE NO IDEA, them 3 in the pit would be epic.

5. Damien

Terry wins because of the suit. He is followed by Dick and Jason's (very close) because of Jason's lax morals and guns.

Then it would be Tim followed by Damian.

Fix.

Dick > Tim > Damien > Jason > Terry

Gatman due to guns.

@Rick_Grayson said:

Dick > Tim > Damien > Jason > Terry

Huh?

I think Terry or Tim lol

Terry.