No P.I.S. so base your opinion that way please...and remember that Kilowog has beat Superman to a pulp before.
Well no PIS tough fight.
But I still give it to Terrax probably.
Even though Kilowog has beaten Superman that doesn't mean too much here as just about any Herald should give Superman a good fight if not outright beat him. (Without PIS)
No P.I.S. so base your opinion that way please...and remember that Kilowog has beat Superman to a pulp before.
Scans? I'd really like to see that. =)
I'll find the issue and post the scans in a short while... hes actually beaten Supes twice lol.
he beat him in supermam batman also i think
superman would kill terrax in 2 or 3 hits so kilowag should stomp this loser
That is simply not true.
Terrax is very durable. If he wasn't a complete Jobber he would beat Superman every time. Heralds are a level above Superman on average. Terrax just happens to be the red-headed step child of Heralds.
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@WillPayton said:
@IZZR said:
Supes clearly got beat despite being bloodlusted.
Looks like Kilowog is using two power rings. That makes a difference.
Thing is he was barely trying and supes is bloodlusted, the other issue he beats him in i can't seem to find ill keep looking. As you can see he is not using any constructs its a slugfest and he came out on top, Kilowog's race have superhuman strength naturally although i dont know how close to Kryptonian it is...
Looks like Kilowog is using two power rings. That makes a difference.
Thing is he was barely trying and supes is bloodlusted, the other issue he beats him in i can't seem to find ill keep looking. As you can see he is not using any constructs its a slugfest and he came out on top, Kilowog's race have superhuman strength naturally although i dont know how close to Kryptonian it is...
exactly. superman would kill terrax in about 5 seconds, imagine how bad kilowag would rape him. idiots seem to think that every herald is on par with surfer. supes would steamroll most of the heralds.
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@Fenderzenders said:
@IZZR said:
@WillPayton said:
@IZZR said:
Supes clearly got beat despite being bloodlusted.
Looks like Kilowog is using two power rings. That makes a difference.
Thing is he was barely trying and supes is bloodlusted, the other issue he beats him in i can't seem to find ill keep looking. As you can see he is not using any constructs its a slugfest and he came out on top, Kilowog's race have superhuman strength naturally although i dont know how close to Kryptonian it is...
exactly. superman would kill terrax in about 5 seconds, imagine how bad kilowag would rape him. idiots seem to think that every herald is on par with surfer. supes would steamroll most of the heralds.
Dude although i would agree with you i think its harsh to call them idiots... although to be fair i cannot imagine any herald except perhaps Surfer and Morg being able to do what Kilowog did and slug it out with Supes from Earth to the Moon non stop...Surfer is quite far above the other heralds its quite safe to say...
Looks like Kilowog is using two power rings. That makes a difference.
Thing is he was barely trying and supes is bloodlusted, the other issue he beats him in i can't seem to find ill keep looking. As you can see he is not using any constructs its a slugfest and he came out on top, Kilowog's race have superhuman strength naturally although i dont know how close to Kryptonian it is...
exactly. superman would kill terrax in about 5 seconds, imagine how bad kilowag would rape him. idiots seem to think that every herald is on par with surfer. supes would steamroll most of the heralds.
Dude although i would agree with you i think its harsh to call them idiots... although to be fair i cannot imagine any herald except perhaps Surfer and Morg being able to do what Kilowog did and slug it out with Supes from Earth to the Moon non stop...Surfer is quite far above the other heralds its quite safe to say...
No Stardust would beat him. Also probably Fallen One. Destroyer would for sure. Also Red Shift who was basically stalemating SS in the middle of a black hole.
All of them would beat Superman. And all of them except for Firelord, with ease.
Looks like Kilowog is using two power rings. That makes a difference.
Thing is he was barely trying and supes is bloodlusted, the other issue he beats him in i can't seem to find ill keep looking. As you can see he is not using any constructs its a slugfest and he came out on top, Kilowog's race have superhuman strength naturally although i dont know how close to Kryptonian it is...
exactly. superman would kill terrax in about 5 seconds, imagine how bad kilowag would rape him. idiots seem to think that every herald is on par with surfer. supes would steamroll most of the heralds.
Dude although i would agree with you i think its harsh to call them idiots... although to be fair i cannot imagine any herald except perhaps Surfer and Morg being able to do what Kilowog did and slug it out with Supes from Earth to the Moon non stop...Surfer is quite far above the other heralds its quite safe to say...
It's kind of true though. None of the Heralds except for Surfer are impressive. Supes would run a train on most of them.
Looks like Kilowog is using two power rings. That makes a difference.
Thing is he was barely trying and supes is bloodlusted, the other issue he beats him in i can't seem to find ill keep looking. As you can see he is not using any constructs its a slugfest and he came out on top, Kilowog's race have superhuman strength naturally although i dont know how close to Kryptonian it is...
exactly. superman would kill terrax in about 5 seconds, imagine how bad kilowag would rape him. idiots seem to think that every herald is on par with surfer. supes would steamroll most of the heralds.
Dude although i would agree with you i think its harsh to call them idiots... although to be fair i cannot imagine any herald except perhaps Surfer and Morg being able to do what Kilowog did and slug it out with Supes from Earth to the Moon non stop...Surfer is quite far above the other heralds its quite safe to say...
It's kind of true though. None of the Heralds except for Surfer are impressive. Supes would run a train on most of them.
No
As I said before, Superman loses easily to, Red Shift, Star Dust, Destroyer, Morg, and probably Fallen One
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@Man_of_Miracles said:
@IZZR said:
@Fenderzenders said:
@IZZR said:
@WillPayton said:
@IZZR said:
Supes clearly got beat despite being bloodlusted.
Looks like Kilowog is using two power rings. That makes a difference.
Thing is he was barely trying and supes is bloodlusted, the other issue he beats him in i can't seem to find ill keep looking. As you can see he is not using any constructs its a slugfest and he came out on top, Kilowog's race have superhuman strength naturally although i dont know how close to Kryptonian it is...
exactly. superman would kill terrax in about 5 seconds, imagine how bad kilowag would rape him. idiots seem to think that every herald is on par with surfer. supes would steamroll most of the heralds.
Dude although i would agree with you i think its harsh to call them idiots... although to be fair i cannot imagine any herald except perhaps Surfer and Morg being able to do what Kilowog did and slug it out with Supes from Earth to the Moon non stop...Surfer is quite far above the other heralds its quite safe to say...
No Stardust would beat him. Also probably Fallen One. Destroyer would for sure. Also Red Shift who was basically stalemating SS in the middle of a black hole.
All of them would beat Superman. And all of them except for Firelord, with ease.
yeah, I'm gonna have to go with Terrax on this one..................but in a VERY close battle. the deciding factor is the power cosmic is more versatile than the GL ring, even though terrax is considered "lower tier". if it came down to H2h that would be interesting also......feel that strength levels would be the very similar.
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@cosmicallyaware1 said:
yeah, I'm gonna have to go with Terrax on this one..................but in a VERY close battle. the deciding factor is the power cosmic is more versatile than the GL ring, even though terrax is considered "lower tier". if it came down to H2h that would be interesting also......feel that strength levels would be the very similar.
I have to disagree with you...strength wise Kilowog is way superior to Terrax and also he is an elite in the corps and one of the best warriors.
@cosmicallyaware1: Besides Morg, has Terrax consistently fought any other physical powerhouses? I see his physical strength as being impressive only against some of the small fry he's faced, while Kilowog has consistently fought and beaten beings who are more impressive physically.
I think Terrax has a better shot using his other powers than going H2H since he tends to be more creative, especially with his terrakinesis, than Kilowog is with his ring.
yeah, I'm gonna have to go with Terrax on this one..................but in a VERY close battle. the deciding factor is the power cosmic is more versatile than the GL ring, even though terrax is considered "lower tier". if it came down to H2h that would be interesting also......feel that strength levels would be the very similar.
why do people think that all heralds have the same powers that surfer does. they don't. terrax is a one trick pony and kilowag is going to shove terrax's head up his own ass in this fight
whew!!! ok then...... Terrax is going to take this due to simply higher and more versatile power set. I understand herald's power levels VERY well. Do I think Kilowog is a better fighter? yes. Do I think Kilowog has more heart? absolutley. Do I think Kilowog would win in the end? NO.
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@cosmicallyaware1 said:
whew!!! ok then...... Terrax is going to take this due to simply higher and more versatile power set. I understand herald's power levels VERY well. Do I think Kilowog is a better fighter? yes. Do I think Kilowog has more heart? absolutley. Do I think Kilowog would win in the end? NO.
You do realise Kilowog is physically stronger also? and his ring allows him to fly at light speed too.
I want to point something out about this series. This is the Batman/Superman series is it not? This is a very crappy series and was badly written. We hardly even use scans from it. There was a time when Batman got SUperman's powers and killed bane, he KILLED bane and Bane is still alive in normal continuity. When he had the powers he also beat Dick Grayson to the point where he knocked out almost all his teeth, put him into acoma and shattered his jaw. This is also the series that had Batman take punches from Darkseid and Martian Manhunter.
This is not a very creditable series. Just adding my 2 cents.
whew!!! ok then...... Terrax is going to take this due to simply higher and more versatile power set. I understand herald's power levels VERY well. Do I think Kilowog is a better fighter? yes. Do I think Kilowog has more heart? absolutley. Do I think Kilowog would win in the end? NO.
WHAT VERSATILITY? You keep saying how Terrax is versatile because he's a herald. For the 9th time not every herald has the same powers as Silver Surfer. In fact, Kilowag is more versatile then Terrax is.
Stop making things up, Terrax gets steamrolled here.
@SlimJ87D:Batman did NOT kill Bane. Nightwing later stated that Batman almost killed him and would of had he not been on Venom,.
It's a crappy series but it's canon considering Supergirls reintroduction in post crisis history is in that series.
Well if Bane did not die from that than it still proves that it's poor writing and not a very creditable series. Wasn't Bane off Venom during that time period also? He went without it for awhile and then he's using it again just for plot reasons?
If I can explain the series, it's a Loeb dramatized flavored series.
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@Thunderfromdownunder said:
@SlimJ87D:Batman did NOT kill Bane. Nightwing later stated that Batman almost killed him and would of had he not been on Venom,.
It's a crappy series but it's canon considering Supergirls reintroduction in post crisis history is in that series.
Well if Bane did not die from that than it still proves that it's poor writing and not a very creditable series. Wasn't Bane off Venom during that time period also? He went without it for awhile and then he's using it again just for plot reasons?
If I can explain the series, it's a Loeb dramatized flavored series.
Thats the case with the 1st 3rd of the series. He stopped writing the series before halfway.
Looks like Kilowog is using two power rings. That makes a difference.
Thing is he was barely trying and supes is bloodlusted, the other issue he beats him in i can't seem to find ill keep looking. As you can see he is not using any constructs its a slugfest and he came out on top, Kilowog's race have superhuman strength naturally although i dont know how close to Kryptonian it is...
exactly. superman would kill terrax in about 5 seconds, imagine how bad kilowag would rape him. idiots seem to think that every herald is on par with surfer. supes would steamroll most of the heralds.
Dude although i would agree with you i think its harsh to call them idiots... although to be fair i cannot imagine any herald except perhaps Surfer and Morg being able to do what Kilowog did and slug it out with Supes from Earth to the Moon non stop...Surfer is quite far above the other heralds its quite safe to say...
No Stardust would beat him. Also probably Fallen One. Destroyer would for sure. Also Red Shift who was basically stalemating SS in the middle of a black hole.
All of them would beat Superman. And all of them except for Firelord, with ease.
You obviously dont know who Superman is...
Actually I do.
That doesn't change the fact that Heralds are far more versatile than Superman. They are nearly as strong. Many of them have planet busting feats, and fly through stars on a regular basis. A few of them have survived exploding supernovas/black holes etc. with little to no ill effect.
Superman could not stalemate SS in the middle of a Black hole as Red Shift did, he could not survive a black hole unscathed as Stardust did. The fact is that most Heralds regularly manhandle highly powerful characters in the Marvel Universe. It is literally their entire purpose.
You're back tracking now. First you said Superman couldn't survive a black hole unscathed and he's flying faster than light in a double black hole. Show Surfer or Red Shit doing this.
As it stands that you have absolutely no knowledge of Superman or his capabilities and are in no position to be telling anyone who can and can't beat him.
You're back tracking now. First you said Superman couldn't survive a black hole unscathed and he's flying faster than light in a double black hole. Show Surfer or Red Shit doing this.
As it stands that you have absolutely no knowledge of Superman or his capabilities and are in no position to be telling anyone who can and can't beat him.
How am I back tracking?
Superman isn't surviving a black hole here, he is escaping a black hole, There is an enormous difference. By the way stacking two black holes would actually not effect their pull as the gravity is already infinite. I could explain, but it would take a long time and I would have look back through my quantum mechanics lecture notes, which I don't want to do.
This feat>than Superman's.
I know plenty about Superman's capabilities and more than enough to say who can and can't beat him.
@Man_of_Miracles: You're backtracking because first you said Superman couldn't survive one unscathed, then you flip flop your argument. Superman is surviving in their while trying to escape.
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Superman isn't surviving a black hole here, he is escaping a black hole, There is an enormous differenc
That makes absolutely no sense. If Superman is inside the black hole and isn't being crushed, then he's surviving. If wasn't able to survive then he would of been crushed and killed and wouldn't have had to opportunity to try to escape.
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By the way stacking two black holes would actually not effect their pull as the gravity is already infinite. I could explain, but it would take a long time and I would have look back through my quantum mechanics lecture notes, which I don't want to do.
Even if that was the case it proves your original statement of Superman being unable to survive a black hole or being unscathed wrong, because he's clearly doing it in those scans
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This feat>than Superman's.
Right, so Red Shift needing to open a portal to escape beats Superman moving faster than light in a black hole. You've yet to show Surfer or Red Shit being able to move faster than light while inside the black hole.
I know plenty about Superman's capabilities and more than enough to say who can and can't beat him.
No, you really don't and you have proven that you don't.
Just for the record, I'm not even arguing on weather Superman would win against heralds or not, but based on the one feat shown for Red Shift he doesn't look like anything special.
@Man_of_Miracles: You're backtracking because first you said Superman couldn't survive one unscathed, then you flip flop your argument. Superman is surviving in their while trying to escape.
@Man_of_Miracles said:
Superman isn't surviving a black hole here, he is escaping a black hole, There is an enormous differenc
That makes absolutely no sense. If Superman is inside the black hole and isn't being crushed, then he's surviving. If wasn't able to survive then he would of been crushed and killed and wouldn't have had to opportunity to try to escape.
@Man_of_Miracles said:
By the way stacking two black holes would actually not effect their pull as the gravity is already infinite. I could explain, but it would take a long time and I would have look back through my quantum mechanics lecture notes, which I don't want to do.
Even if that was the case it proves your original statement of Superman being unable to survive a black hole or being unscathed wrong, because he's clearly doing it in those scans
@Man_of_Miracles said:
This feat>than Superman's.
Right, so Red Shift needing to open a portal to escape beats Superman moving faster than light in a black hole. You've yet to show Surfer or Red Shit being able to move faster than light while inside the black hole.
I know plenty about Superman's capabilities and more than enough to say who can and can't beat him.
No, you really don't and you have proven that you don't.
Just for the record, I'm not even arguing on weather Superman would win against heralds or not, but based on the one feat shown for Red Shift he doesn't look like anything special.
Are you serious.
How is escaping a black hole>then fighting inside one?
Superman was not in the black hole, he was being sucked into it. What are you looking at?
There is a difference between flying out of a black hole, and passing through one completely, as Stardust did, and surviving. If you can't understand that nothing more needs to be said.
Really? He doesn't look like anything special?
So yes everyone stalemates SS in the middle of a black hole. LOL what a freaking joke.
What the hell Terrax has ever done with this so called"versatility" and I'm just post scans of Kilowog survive Planet busting with just autoshield and then absorb 16 billion souls what has Terrax everdone aside from bust Planet in annihilation:Heralds of Galactus?Heck,that guy lose to pretty much everyone he fight in the last twenty years.
That doesn't change the fact that Heralds are far more versatile than Superman.1 They are nearly as strong.2 Many of them have planet busting feats, and fly through stars on a regular basis. A few of them have survived exploding supernovas/black holes etc. with little to no ill effect.
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1What?Terrax is a 75 tonner2.Mind to Show Terrax done any of this.
Superman could not stalemate SS in the middle of a Black hole as Red Shift did, he could not survive a black hole unscathed as Stardust did. The fact is that most Heralds regularly manhandle highly powerful characters in the Marvel Universe. It is literally their entire purpose.
Sure,some herald are impressive but not in Terrax case this guy was Manhandles by pretty much every one he fight.
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