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#151 Posted by fatalsniper728 (498 posts) - - Show Bio

@vaeternus: so how would an alien beat a terminator then ? if the armor is made out of the strongest metal on earth ? im sure there blood will melt it

#153 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@reikai said:

3. Predators are more durable than Xenos, however parts of a Xenos chitinous hide is tougher. A Predators armor is also stronger than the materials comprising a T-800.

cades, even centuries. T-800's are programmed and cannot learn beyond their programming without their internal limiter being removed and reset, allowing them to learn quicker and adapt. Xenos as a whole do not possess a high degree of intelligence, but commune via a hive mind and can be controlled by a Queen. Some Preds, and Humans, have found ways of controlling Xenos as well.

3: BS. Terminator Hyper Allow has withstood Plasma Blast, 60 tons of Force, Pipe Bombs, and Lava..... Pred Armour has been shot thru.

5: BS again. In the Extended edition it used a Deleted Scene, NOT EXTENDED SCENE, where the Chip had to be reset. In T-1 and T-2 the Terminator Chip was a learning CPU. It learn how the enemy moves, weakness, capabilities, ect ect.

The Theatrical Version states this. The "Deleted Scene" in the Special Edition was a total Non Cannon Deleted Scene.

#154 Edited by reikai (4332 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, much stronger then a typical T800 model and far stronger then a Predator.... Why not? T-X is FAR more advanced from future tech, she/TX can shape shift something Predators can't do and is on board built in with FAR more weapons besides having ridiculous strength. Like I said earlier, humans have fought Predator's and killed them with little to no weapons(Predator one and Two come to mind, even Predators with a sword)

Future tech is irrelevant. Predators have been a space faring race for more than 20thousand years and the only tools most people are familiar with are the equivalency of Hunting Gear. A plasmacaster is the Predator equivalent of a Hunting Rifle. Also, Predators are very strong. The Average strength level for most Yautja, those still Young in comparison to others and up through Vets around 200yrs old or so, is between Class 3 and 5 strength (that's tons). Some have also broken and torn the arms off Combat Synthetics.

And ya know, tech in AVP makes everything aside from Time Travel in Terminator look like a joke. AVP has even ended up with a near-immortal human/alien gene nanotech hybrid who has regenerated from a few burnt cells after a huge detonation destroyed most of her body. Wasn't expecting herself to survive either. And I'm not talking about Rippley.

Also, the T-X's shapeshifting is only for human(oid) forms within a limited range, and it's useless against the Preds scanners since it'd see right through it. And you know the "humans have killed them" is as poor an argument as you can get. Humans have killed scores of terminators and despite Skynet surprise nuking every major city on the planet and using Time Travel to try and eliminate future threats in the past, is still losing in a war against the remaining Humans on Earth.

Predators don't have anything to be concerned about when it comes to Humans. They're just game. If a human manages to kill a Predator, then good for them. If one Predator kills dozens of humans on a hunt, then good for him. But on the scale of Humans v Predator, the body count is in the Predators favor by a vast margin.

Hunter Borgia may have built a city and a criminal empire using reverse engineered Predator tech and used it to capture a few young hunters. But it only took one two-century old half-blind Veteran to take it all apart and tear his mutated head from his body. And his name very much suited one to kill gangsters. This Predator was called "Scarface"

A plasma shot from Terminator, HK's can also take down choppers...

An HK is an Aircraft itself. Predators don't need them to take out flying objects. And do you know what Predators do if one Plasmacaster won't do the job alone?

They use a bigger gun.

I'm not underestimating the Preds, I'm a HUGE fan of both but let's be real here. A human vs. a Predator in Mortal Kombat has won....a human vs. a Terminator in mortal kombat has not without outside help....or MASSIVE weaponry, been blown in half, still kicking, had limbs blown or teared off, lave poured on it, frozen solid, plasma blasts to the chest, rockets to chest plate and still kicked after that...a Predator was done after having a 1/4 tree stump fall on it....it is not that durable honestly compared to a Terminator honestly...

Let's see, Pred1. Hawkins. Trained Spec Ops soldier. Native American. Skilled Tracker. Scared of being in the same jungle as a Predator. Faced it one on one with a machete. Got slaughtered. You're using people protected by plot as claims that Preds can be easily beaten. It's not the case. On the other hand we've seen plenty of T-800's go down to resistance fighters.

You're also still confusing the difference between a T-800 and a T-850. The T-800 in T1 was blown in half with homemade Dynamite. The T-850 was covered in molten steel and rapidly cooled to harden, so it didn't melt its components. T1, Arnie was blown out of a window with a few blasts of a sawed-off shotgun.

Pred2, multiple shotgun blasts at mid-range to the unarmored abdomen of the Predator only stunned it for a moment before Danny Glover got tossed aside like a rag doll and forced to run away. And that was after Government Agents used radioactive adhesive particles to disable its stealth field and hit it with liquid nitrogen to try and freeze it, failed miserably, and they were all killed. Including Gary Busey.

Now, Pred 1 you mentioned the log. It's not a stump. It's a several hundred poud chunk of a tree that Dutch used a pulley to set up as a trap. And I can tell you somethin, when a several hundred pound solid object falls on your head, it'll most likely kill you flat out. And if you think it wouldn't have damaged a T-800, you'd be sorely mistaken. Also, need I remind you the Predator wasn't wearing its helmet at the time.

Again, Predator 2, Danny Glover took his disc and stabbed him with it(human strength)

Again, Harrigan was defeated. The Predator had one hand, a hole in its abdomen, had fallen through a building, crashed through walls and jumped down an elevator shaft to get back to the ship, and still beat down Harrigan who only barely pulled a win using the Smartdisc he rammed up into the Predator through its stomach. Strength is irrelevant with those things. That thing has an edge that vibrates at a sub-sonic frequency. Essentially it's a Vibroblade. That thing would cut through a Terminator's armor like it was jello. A Predators insides, however dense, weren't gonna hold up to it.

What weapon would go through a T800 like paper

Pretty much every weapon they have on them. You forget they are made from otherwordly materials that dwarfs steel, while being lighter, and is made resistant to plasma. Only the T-850's were made with a more plasma-resistant armor to combat the Resistance acquiring their weapons. T-800's have no such resistance.

They also like Predator's have night vision, infa-red, can calculate gun fire, weapons approaching them etc, track etc.

Predator cloaking blocks infrared and life signs. That's why the Government resorted to setting up pheromone sensors to catch its scent particles as it passed within an enclosed space. T-800's can't do that. Preds also have weapons that can't be tracked. Like the Spearguns. They create no phenomena that would allow triangulation of firing arc and position.

Terminators will win this at the end of the day, a nuke even as shown in flash backs future as well as in the show would just destroy the outter skin, the Terminator itself was still kicking.

There were no flashbacks. It was a nightmare scene. A dream. Unless you're thinking Salvation, in which case the T-800 wasn't even in the explosion itself, and that was in the underground lab. It also didn't have skin to begin with, and Connor shot it to pieces with a chaingun on the down copter.

One, they're not NORMAL computers or walking PC's...they're literally learning computers with built in advanced processors capable of learning, adapting, surviving etc on top of already being durable, smart and adaptable to begin with.

Still confusing the models. T-800's didn't have as much capacity to learn, and they weren't Permitted to. Allowing another machine to Learn would also enable it to become Independent, and Skynet would not allow that. The T-800 in T2 could not learn of new ways to fight against the more advanced T-1000 until after Sarah Connor removed its chip and reset its limiter, allowing it to learn more freely and adapt. Your mass produced T-800's don't share that benefit.

Yeah, I mean remember even Arnold took a shot in the shoulder WITH some protection....if it were that powerful it would have went right through him regardless(and that's human armor, not advanced) so I do believe Predator plasma blasts are overrated...hitting pure flesh is one thing, but obviously armor can stop it or prevent it from totally disintegrating something. A T800 is made from titanium alloy if I'm not mistaken, the strongest metal on Earth extremely durable.

The shot on Dutch only clipped him. If it was full on, like with Dillon, then he'd have lost his arm. I should also remind you, "strongest metal on Earth" is meaningless to a material that's not from Earth and doesn't appear on the periodic chart of elements. You can't compare the two.

Heck a Cyber-Xenomorph equipped with grenade launchers and gattling guns blasted an oncoming Predator over equipment with its heavy weapons. The Predator got right back up, roared, and rejoined the fight. The Cyber-Xenos weren't battle tested, had no experience, and their programming was interfering with their instincts. Between around 30 Predators against a few dozen Cyber-Xenos, the Cyber-Xenos were getting wrecked, and for the rest, their fear overcame their programmed orders and started running away for dear life.

The Predators were utterly disappointed. Because some rich toady took away the one thing that made Xenomorphs so lethal in the first place; Their Basic Instincts. Cyber-Xenos weren't even a worthy challenge. The Cloned T-Rex's on the planet were more enjoyable to hunt and kill for the Predators than those things.

#155 Posted by TERMINATOR_T1000 (2 posts) - - Show Bio

@reikai: Sir please stop trolling these TERMINATOR threads and actually learn something about the character before you speak.

#156 Posted by TERMINATOR_T1000 (2 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyways,

T-800's destroy.

#157 Posted by Subzero335 (10 posts) - - Show Bio
#158 Edited by Subzero335 (10 posts) - - Show Bio

@reikai: TERMINATOR_T1000 is right,

T-800's destroy and you have your Models way to mixed up buddy.

#161 Posted by fatalsniper728 (498 posts) - - Show Bio
#162 Posted by reikai (4332 posts) - - Show Bio

someone sure loves terminators

Which normally wouldn't be a bad thing to enjoy ones fandom. It's when you ignore the evidence and exaggerate things that tend to get on peoples nerves (we're all guilty of it). In terms of technology it's already easily proven that Predators outrank Skynet. Terminators haven't been shown capable of detecting a stealthed target. Xenos can't be detected with thermal imaging either.

Honestly, T-800's are the worst off here. Preds at least know what they're going up against and have done this job for millennium. Cyborgs and Androids aren't unknown to them. Had to deal with a few amongst the Colonial Marines and The Company (Wayland/Yutani Corp).

#163 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@reikai: Some terminator Fans give the rest of us a bad name.

Also you point out the predator tech and Weapons. In this Match they limited on it as stated. What they are packing is not enough to down a single T-800 in one shot while the steel Penetrating Plasma Beams and Blasts of Terminator weapons will puncture the Pred Skin and Xeno Morphs easy.

#164 Edited by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

@vaeternus: so how would an alien beat a terminator then ? if the armor is made out of the strongest metal on earth ? im sure there blood will melt it

Pretty much the acid would melt the skin but not do much against the rest of them, unless maybe they had literally gallons and gallons of acid poured on them. Remember, in T4 it had pure lava poured on it which had to surpass 1000 degrees easily...

@Rekai

Future tech isn't irrelevant, when you're a super smart, adaptable computer that learns fast and makes thing Predators wouldn't even think of in their wildest dreams(T1000, TX,. T1 million much? Would demolish an army of Predators...)

A terminator's strength is FAR stronger then a Predator, period that's all that matters and a TX is even stronger then a typical Terminator so for you to dismiss it is ridiculous...Predators die here.

Again, aliens and the queen got beat by a female with flame throwers, guns and a small mech...so they're a non factor. And again Predators have gotten killed by humans with FAR less weaponry then that of a Terminator...again, guy with a sword? Cop with a disc? Marine with primitive weapons and traps? Come on....Predators have no chance against Terminators.

And yeah, that war in Terminator was lost to humans over a period of over 30 years...they'd win against Predators to if it came to it over that amount of time...

Multiple HK's would overrun Predators...they shot a damn submarine 100ft below surface level.

A plasma canon again is no different then a rocket launcher and in any movie they've never shown that, so why bring that up? Crossover comics, comics aren't canon....the title says/shows movie versions where Predators do not have any "rocker launcher plasma cannons"

I'm well aware of an HK being a aircraft, my whole point...but a Terminator can take out a chopper with less, T2 T800 taking out multiple cop cars, a chopper with a mini gun....(far less weapon then a plasma gun mind you) Also, a bigger gun means little....as I just proved.

Again, overall movie feats Terminators have shown FAR greater durability then Predators...Predator one got his plasma blaster messed up by a human's primitive explosive bow and arrow...the shotty in the second stunned him yes, but Glover still had the drop on him and could have killed him but chose to look at him for whatever reason. He also later beat him in one on one kombat...we've never seen a human defeat a terminator in one on one kombat. Not without outside help. Hell, even in T4 Marcus an amped human, cyborg prototype had trouble with a T800 prototype and he had FAR greater strength then a human...

No, no predator weapon would go through a Terminator like paper. And No, hannigan wasn't defeated....he was hanging off a building AS was the Predator and saw a chance to grab the disc and did and sliced off predator's hand, causing him to fall...hell the Predator even RAN away from him back to the ship once he healed himself...you would never see any terminator run.

Dream, Nightmare or flashback either way the Terminators are machine and machines aren't effected by nuclear fallout...hence the creation of Terminators

Connor never shot a T800+ that was an already CUT in half, badly damaged T600....that connor shot down and barely I might add if not for that chopper gun, he would have been in deep trouble or died. Since you forgot to mention that part. I'm not confusing anything you're just not aware of how a Terminator works apparently, they adapt, they learn only Skynet sends them out WITHOUT the chip able to do so because they're afraid of them learning right from wrong, and getting smarter, thinking for themselves...

It didn't clip him, it hit him in the shoulder. Dillion and the other guy had no armor where they got hit, Arnold did...the difference.

Not sure why you're bringing comic feats some of which aren't even canon, again the OP used movie versions here if you're going to use comics then I'll just use Skynet advancing past the T-X into T1 millions which is literally a super advanced terminator near to impossible to kill, think of 100 T-1000's and then some put together..

Terminators win here.

#165 Edited by goodguy1234 (7 posts) - - Show Bio

@reikai said:

@fatalsniper728 said:

someone sure loves terminators

Which normally wouldn't be a bad thing to enjoy ones fandom. It's when you ignore the evidence and exaggerate things that tend to get on peoples nerves (we're all guilty of it). In terms of technology it's already easily proven that Predators outrank Skynet. Terminators haven't been shown capable of detecting a stealthed target. Xenos can't be detected with thermal imaging either.

Honestly, T-800's are the worst off here. Preds at least know what they're going up against and have done this job for millennium. Cyborgs and Androids aren't unknown to them. Had to deal with a few amongst the Colonial Marines and The Company (Wayland/Yutani Corp).

How are T-800's the worst off? How the hell can Predators outrank Skynet? You realize a T-1000 or a T-X would destroy a millions of Predators in seconds? Which Skynet could send several of them and Predators and Xenos both wouldn't last. I believe T-800's have stealthed their targets plenty of times in the films, do I need to list all that off now?

#166 Edited by MisterWhisper (2034 posts) - - Show Bio

I posted for this fight on page one but I will try again.

Lets look at it from pros and cons of each group.

Aliens:

Pro:

Great at stealth, unless some of the Yautja are full blooded or better, they are the best.

Hive minded almost with a queen there

Queen and Predaliens can kill anything else here one on one.

Aliens almost never travel alone, they swarm things.

Aliens always attack up close, so killing one like that is a very bad idea.

Cons:

Most basic attacks will not take down a terminator.

Very poor battle tactics, they rely completely on instinct.

Durability is good but not against plasma casters and assault rifles.

Has to rely on numbers and surprise to kill just about anything here.

Terminators:

Pro:

All around durability.

Great targeting system.

Good guns in this match.

Can easily communicate with each other.

Harder to take down, they can be blown in half and still fight, just not as well.

Con:

Almost no stealth ability at all. They will be seen and tracked easily.

Not as agile as the other 2 groups.

Combat tactics are basic.

Their defensive ability consists of just taking hits and letting their durability deal with it.

Yautja:

Pro:

Exceptional training.

Most well rounded of the group, physically.

Has good gear, defensive and offensive.

Various vision modes make aliens and terminators easy to track.

Dangerous alone and in groups.

Con:

Their tendency to fight fair, gets them killed from doing stupid things sometimes.

They have great armor but it does not cover much unless they are suited for war, not hunts.

If the fight goes a VERY long time, they will get tired eventually, they others won't.

Yautja society rules mean they will not really try to save each other.

In the end I see it going like this.

The Terminators are not stealth experts, they are built as combat chassis and intrusion, that means they are going to get seen pretty fast.

The Terminators have the aim and reactions to give the aliens a very bad day. Acid splashes will give them major problems however.

The aliens will spot a few Terminators and swarm them but get shot up pretty well along the way. The Yautja will shoot whatever they find, unless they find a lone one then they might try to fight it fair.

The aliens swarm both groups and get wiped out, they probably take out like maybe 75 maybe100 terminators and 100 maybe 150 Yautja.

Then it comes down to Yautja vs Terminators... that does not go well for the Terminators.

Unfortunately for the Terminators they carry guns so the Yautja will be more than happy to use stealth and ranged tactics to their advantage, setting traps and ambushes. Shooting the Terminators with their plasma casters and occasionally closing in on melee to gain a little more bragging rights and honor on the way.

In summary:

Aliens get wiped out and then the Terminators and Yautja fight a mostly one sided battle. The Yautja win and probably only lose about 300 warriors.

P.S. This is if the Yautja consider this a hunt, if it is considered a war, they rules go out the window and this is an even bigger slaughter.

#167 Posted by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

T-800s for the hard fought win against Preds.

Accuracy with T-800s is on a CPU scale with millions of Calculations per second.

Accuracy with a RPG.

Accuracy with a Mini Gun.

Skill And Durability wise they are extremely tough to take out. They learn every second of a fight how to win as well. The only way to beat them is with hit and Run. Not a Viable tactic against T-800s who are programed with Stealth maneuvers as well Guerrilla tactics. The reason why the Resistance was getting wiped out was becuase of the introduction of T-800s who were far Superior to the T-600s that the Resistance was wiping out.

T-800 Tanker chase seen.

Skip to 5:00. Terminator blown to bits keep going strong.

Strength, Durability, and relentless T-800.

Durability and skill of T-800.

T-800 hit by semi. Durability in Spades to tank hits.

Terminator vs T-X. As seen the Durability of both Machines is incredible.

Also every Terminator is a mini nuke lol.

Skip to 3:30

Each terminator 800 has 2 of these Cells. They can always use one as a Grenade or use the second for a Suicide blast.

Terminators are made of Hyper allow. It is so durable it can withstand the Heat of Melted Steel and Lava, to tanking Plasma Weapons design to punch through tanks.

Also a good showing of the Hyper alloy vs Plasma weapons and Force of Impact.

Skip to 7:45

Truth is Terminators like the 800 are Extremely Durable with their Hyper Alloy and I do not see Predator Blast being as Effective.

Nice job with the vid ;) I totally agree, Predator movie feats can't compare to Terminator's.

#168 Posted by goodguy1234 (7 posts) - - Show Bio

@reikai: Some terminator Fans give the rest of us a bad name.

Also you point out the predator tech and Weapons. In this Match they limited on it as stated. What they are packing is not enough to down a single T-800 in one shot while the steel Penetrating Plasma Beams and Blasts of Terminator weapons will puncture the Pred Skin and Xeno Morphs easy.

It's not giving you a bad name, it's called some people in these threads don't know a hole lot about THE TERMINATOR's and just talk out of their ass to talk out of their ass.

#169 Edited by goodguy1234 (7 posts) - - Show Bio

@vaeternus: those vids aren't showing up bro.

I think their might be a bug that's preventing the vids from coming up.

#170 Edited by omegablast452 (2425 posts) - - Show Bio

Terminator fans everywhere.

#171 Posted by goodguy1234 (7 posts) - - Show Bio

Terminator fans everywhere.

Predator couldn't beat Arnold as a human.

Anyone who thinks a thousand Predators can beat a thousand Arnold's as TERMINATOR's is nutts.

#172 Edited by omegablast452 (2425 posts) - - Show Bio

@omegablast452 said:

Terminator fans everywhere.

Predator couldn't beat Arnold as a human.

Anyone who thinks a thousand Predators can beat a thousand Arnold's as TERMINATOR's is nutts.

#173 Edited by goodguy1234 (7 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyways T-800's win.

They disarm the Preds of their shoulder cannon and blast them with it.

Predators die far more easily than TERMINATOR's.

That's why TERMINATOR's win.

#174 Posted by goodguy24 (704 posts) - - Show Bio

@goodguy1234 said:

@omegablast452 said:

Terminator fans everywhere.

Predator couldn't beat Arnold as a human.

Anyone who thinks a thousand Predators can beat a thousand Arnold's as TERMINATOR's is nutts.

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@k4tzm4n:

I remember permanent bans for people... lets bring those back

#197 Posted by reikai (4332 posts) - - Show Bio

Pretty much the acid would melt the skin but not do much against the rest of them, unless maybe they had literally gallons and gallons of acid poured on them. Remember, in T4 it had pure lava poured on it which had to surpass 1000 degrees easily...

Meaningless. The acid blood of Xenomorphs is molecular. It'll melt a T-800 as easily as an ice cube in a volcano. Resistance to heat has nothing to do with acidic resistance, to which the T-800's have none. Given that Predator armor is even tougher than the machines and the standard plates worn are susceptible to being melted clean through by Xeno acid, T-800's have no chance against it.

Future tech isn't irrelevant, when you're a super smart, adaptable computer that learns fast and makes thing Predators wouldn't even think of in their wildest dreams(T1000, TX,. T1 million much? Would demolish an army of Predators...)

No it's quite irrelevant. Because you're "future" in terminator is like the year 2040. Much of what goes on in AVP is between the year 2400 and 3000. Colonial Marines and Corporate forces do end up using plasma weapons and cybernetics and exo-armors, and Predators still kick the ever living crap out of them.

And you're logic is flawed. Predators have no need to create machines to kill. It goes against Philosophy and code of honor. They're a race of hunters who've been around longer than most any other in the galaxy. They taught primitive cultures how to build and learn so their hunts could be even greater. Pretty much every habitable world that Humans go to in the AVP-verse, Predators have already been there and done stuff. And on a number of occasions, humans end up building on planets Predators use as Testing Grounds for young hunters.

And for all your machines, Humans with determination were still winning. If Humans in AVP even tried a war with Predators, they'd lose so hard and so fast it wouldn't be funny. The sheer numbers and level of technology against them is 100/1.

A terminator's strength is FAR stronger then a Predator, period that's all that matters and a TX is even stronger then a typical Terminator so for you to dismiss it is ridiculous...Predators die here.

You saying it doesn't make it true. And a TX isn't even involved here. Just the T-800's, who're greatly outclassed.

Again, aliens and the queen got beat by a female with flame throwers, guns and a small mech...so they're a non factor.

Xenomorphs are weaker to intense heat than anything else. Which is why Xeno-Warriors tend to explode when shot or burned. And they're not a non-factor. One dead Xeno is still a threat and if one explodes overhead, that's several dead T-800's right there who'll be turned into boiling scrap. Ripley barely survived the 2nd movie and died in the 3rd one to keep a new Queen from infesting the entire prison colony.

And in the 2nd movie she had Colonial Marines for backup and the Xenos didn't have to be cunning at the start because they had large numbers. It's only when their numbers are small do they resort to stealth and cunning, for survival. One Xeno killed all of Ripley's crew in the 1st movie because they weren't aware of what they were up against.

Xenos are faster and more agile than T-800's. Their claws, fangs and tails can rip right through them. Acid blood will melt them apart. A frontal assault between the both of them will just result in mass casualties on both sides. To believe otherwise is foolish.

And again Predators have gotten killed by humans with FAR less weaponry then that of a Terminator...again, guy with a sword? Cop with a disc? Marine with primitive weapons and traps?

A T-800, outsmarted by a Human making homemade weapons from cleaning solutions. A T-600, crushed under a rusty car suspended in the air by 16yr old. Scores of T-800's getting destroyed by humans using their own weapons against them, because their method of attack is to "walk straight at them".

You once more underestimate a Katana, and it was a Duel with an Unblooded, Child of a Predator who chose to fight with Melee instead of shooting Hanzo's head off. Harrigan, a trained veteran officer using a SmartDisc, one of the Predators Own Weapons, which possesses a vibrating blade allowing it to cut through most substances with ease. Even a Terminator would be decapitated by this thing.

Again, you're using Plot-Protected heroes from the films, which just shows how much you don't understand. Without Plot Protection, they all would've been killed easily. And btw, once more, Dutch used those "Primitive Traps" because the Predators sensors wouldn't be able to detect them as they were made from the surrounding jungle over Metals and machine parts. Landmines, trip wires and other traps were easily detected and avoided.

T-800's are about as stealthy as a hyperactive teen jumping on bubblewrap. And they don't set traps either.

And yeah, that war in Terminator was lost to humans over a period of over 30 years...they'd win against Predators to if it came to it over that amount of time..

Predators could wipe out humanity in a day if they actually felt like it. They could glass the planet from orbit if they really wanted to. And for 30yrs, the supposedly "every evolving, adapting, learning machines" were getting pushed around human survivors who just kept stealing their guns.

If you tried to do Skynet vs. the Yautja, you'd be quick to understand how much of an awful idea that would be.

Multiple HK's would overrun Predators...they shot a damn submarine 100ft below surface level.

They're not even in the match. It's only T-800's. But if you wanted to try that. One Hunter-Class Clan Ship from orbit destroys every HK unit with concentrated plasma streams from space with precision marking, while remaining cloaked and undetectable. And while they're at it, blast every Terminator factory on the surface for good measure.

So, you really wanna try that BS?

A plasma canon again is no different then a rocket launcher and in any movie they've never shown that, so why bring that up? Crossover comics, comics aren't canon....the title says/shows movie versions where Predators do not have any "rocker launcher plasma cannons"

Plasmacaster >>>>>> Rocket Launcher.

And that Cannon the Predator is holding isn't from a Crossover comic. It's from the AVP comic/Novels. Do your research properly.

I'm well aware of an HK being a aircraft, my whole point...but a Terminator can take out a chopper with less, T2 T800 taking out multiple cop cars, a chopper with a mini gun....(far less weapon then a plasma gun mind you) Also, a bigger gun means little....as I just proved

Unarmored police vehicles and a police helicopter =/= Military Grade Gunship. Arnie is also shooting hundreds to thousands of rounds into those things. Plasmacaster only needs one shot per vehicle. It's how it took down the chopper in Pred1, and again in the novel "Big Game Hunter", and in the comics with a Colonial Marines Dropship.

The Plasma Caster is a long range energy projector capable of guiding armor-penetrating plasma bolts at distant targets. Moreover, the weapon's bolts explode in a burst of plasma shrapnel that damages other enemies near the point of impact. By default, the weapon's attack range is greater than the Predator's visual range.

And that's the basic description.

It didn't clip him, it hit him in the shoulder. Dillion and the other guy had no armor where they got hit, Arnold did...the difference.

Dutch is wearing a vest, not armor. And it only clipped his shoulder. If it actually went through his shoulder, there'd be a gaping hole and/or he'd have no arm, like Dillon. Dutch wasn't wearing anything different from the rest of his team. Cooper (Jessie Ventura) had a hole blown through his chest cavity by the plasmacaster.

In AVP:R, those two doper guys had their heads exploded by the plasmacasters. And btw the Predator/AVP comics are canon, aside from the Specific Crossovers, like with DC comics and TokyoPop.

Predators are taking this with flying colors. Everything proves it.

#198 Edited by Lets_Roll (13 posts) - - Show Bio

@reikai: Do you not even realize that the Alien vs Predator movies aren't canon, but the videos Vaeternus has posted are. therefore your logic fails.

#199 Edited by reikai (4332 posts) - - Show Bio

Actually the AVP movies are all canon, including the games, and the latest movie, plus the majority of the novels and comics. The PS2 Game "Predator: Concrete Jungle" ties everything in with the AVP movie. It's All Canon.

Oh and if you wanted a Relevant crossover;

Does this really need to go any further?

#200 Posted by Alexman113 (487 posts) - - Show Bio

So, we agree that this comes down to Predators or Terminators because OP didn't give the Xenos a numbers advantage for some reason.