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#1 Edited by ozeol (504 posts) - - Show Bio

Devil Jin vs Ermac & Quan Chi & Shang Tsung

Jin Kazama vs Liu Kang

Kazuya Mishima vs Kung Lao

Heihachi vs Goro

Yoshimitsu vs Noob Saibot

Bryan Fury vs Scorpion

Law & Steve & Paul vs Sub-Zero

Lee & Raven & Bruce vs Rain

Jinpachi vs Shao Kahn

Ogre vs Raiden

Hwoarang vs Johnny Cage

Nina Williams vs Sonya Blade

Anna Williams vs Baraka

Jack vs Cyrax

Jack vs Jaxx

Alicia Boskonovic vs Sektor

King / Armor King vs Reptile

Lars vs Smoke

Lei Wulong vs Stryker

Ling Xiaoyu vs Kitana

Eddie Gordo vs Reiko

Roger Jr vs Jaxx

Marduk vs Kintaro

Panda vs Motaro

Christie vs Mileena

Michelle Chang vs Nightwolf

Baek vs Kano

wang Jinrei vs Shujinko

Ganryu vs Bo Rai Cho

Mokujin vs Kenshi

Feng Wei vs Sindel

Kuma vs Sheeva

#2 Edited by Shisho_The_Fist (126 posts) - - Show Bio

Jin Kazama vs Liu Kang- There both equally skilled but Jin's devil gene tips this in his favor.

Kazuya Mishima vs Kung Lao-Same reason as above.

Heihachi vs Goro-Heihachi is faster and has shown to be equally if not stronger than goro. While Goro is incredibly strong he was beaten by liu kang and i see no reason why heihachi couldn't do the same.

Anna Williams vs Baraka- Anna won't KO Baraka before he skewers her.

Nina Williams vs Sonya Blade-This could go either way but i think Nina will pull the win more likely than not.

Yoshimitsu vs Noob Saibot-Yoshimitsu has been shown to be able to go invisible and sword being able to cut through metal easily, while Noob's shadow powers grant him teleportation, shadow clones, and shadow balls. Noob will prove to difficult for yoshimitsu to handle.

Bryan Fury vs Scorpion- I wonder how scorpions flames would effect bryan? Bryan is the physical superior of the two seeing as how bryan has destroyed tanks with ease. Scorpions hell flames might prove problematic but there's no evidence to suggest flames can damage bryan. If Scorpion shoots a spear Bryan's going to pull scorpion to him and proceed to beat him senseless.

Jack vs Cyrax- Jack is physically stronger but cyrax seems to have the greater array of weaponry. Unless Cyrax net restrains jax long enough for him to throw out enough grenades to blow jacks up, Jack will take over cyrax.

Alicia Boskonovic vs Sektor- I don't see sektor's flames effecting Alisa and the speed she's shown in flight being able to out maneuver gun fire from grounded enemies and helicopters shows sektors missiles won't be problematic for her. Alisa will eventually be able to take out Sektor with her maneuverability, chainsaws, arm missiles, and head bomb.

Hwoarang vs Johnny Cage- Will be a very close fight but i believe hwoarang will eventually take it.

Lei Wulong vs Stryker-Lei just completely out classes stryker.

Roger Jr vs Jaxx- Putting a genetically modified Kangaroo against a man with enhanced arms who punches the ground for fun. Jax

Ling Xiaoyu vs Kitana- Ling is skilled but Kitana won't hold back like she would, has weapons, and has the experience on her side.

Eddie Gordo vs Reiko-Reiko, crazy, shuriken throwing, body distorting freak will kill Eddy.

Marduk vs Kintaro- The Four-Armed Tiger Shokan vs A very Big Man.........Kintaro

Jinpachi vs Shao Kahn-This is quite close but Jinpachi with his Devil Gene powers will take it over Kahn

Panda vs Motaro- Motaro Stomps

Christie vs Mileena-Mileena is faster, has weapons, and is ruthless. Pretty much Reiko and Eddy all over again.

Law & Steve & Paul vs Sub-Zero- Sub-Zero's powers give him a great advantage but against these three he's just too outmatched in a direct encounter.

Lee & Raven & Bruce vs Rain- Same reason as above

#3 Posted by BloodsunX (616 posts) - - Show Bio

Jin Kazama vs Liu Kang- Much more Powerful

Kazuya Mishima vs Kung Lao- More Powerful

Heihachi vs Goro-Heihachi Has faced Stronger and Goro is too slow

Anna Williams vs Baraka- More Lethal and Durable

Nina Williams vs Sonya Blade - More Flexible, but she wins 6/10.

Yoshimitsu vs Noob Saibot- It can go either way, but if Yoshi hits Noob once hes done.

Bryan Fury vs Scorpion - Much more powerful, and has alot of moves he can use.

Jack vs Cyrax - Better Fighter, and more effective Weapons.

Alicia Boskonovic vs Sektor- Alisa has more dangerous weapons

Hwoarang vs Johnny Cage- More Moves, and a more powerful moveset

Lei Wulong vs Stryker- Good Fight, but I say Lei

Roger Jr vs Jaxx- Jax is Stronger and more powerful

Ling Xiaoyu vs Kitana- Kitana wins in a stomp

Eddie Gordo vs Reiko - More powerful

Marduk vs Kintaro - Is much Stronger and Faster

Jinpachi vs Shao Kahn - Jinpanchi is more destructive, and Shao Kahn's cockiness will interfere with his chances of winning

Panda vs Motaro - Stronger and better Fighter

Christie vs Mileena - Mileena is much more dangerous and lethal, but if this was a beauty contest, Christie stomps

Law & Steve & Paul vs Sub-Zero- If this was Cyber Sub Zero then he would win, but the Team would overwhelm him

Lee & Raven & Bruce vs Rain- I don't see them Tagging Rain, plus Rain is much more powerful than all of them.

#4 Posted by Shisho_The_Fist (126 posts) - - Show Bio

@BloodsunX: How is scorpion more powerful then bryan fury, he's close to if not thee physically strongest person in tekken. There's no evidence to support scorpions flames will effect Bryan and scorpion isn't out muscling Bryan so his spear is pretty useless. His teleport will buy him time but if bryan gets a few hits on scorpion he'll be down.

Also, how don't you see a three man team consisting of a teleporting ninja (raven), and two highly skilled fighters (Lee & Bruce) tagging rain when he's been knocked unconscious by jade?

#5 Posted by terry2012 (4768 posts) - - Show Bio

Jin Kazama vs Liu Kang

Kazuya Mishima vs Kung Lao

Heihachi vs Goro

Anna Williams vs Baraka

Nina Williams vs Sonya Blade could go either way

Yoshimitsu vs Noob Saibot

Bryan Fury vs Scorpion

Jack vs Cyrax

Alicia Boskonovic vs Sektor

Hwoarang vs Johnny Cage

Lei Wulong vs Stryker

Roger Jr vs Jaxx

Ling Xiaoyu vs Kitana

Eddie Gordo vs Reiko

Marduk vs Kintaro

Jinpachi vs Shao Kahn

Panda vs Motaro

Christie vs Mileena

Law & Steve & Paul vs Sub-Zero

Lee & Raven & Bruce vs Rain

#6 Posted by 7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning (3578 posts) - - Show Bio

Jin Kazama vs Liu Kang: Jin grabs Liu's legs in mid air as Liu does his Bicycle Kick and reverse it. As Liu transforms into a small dragon, Jin turns into Devil Mode and uses his lasers to vaporize Liu.

Kazuya Mishima vs Kung Lao: Kazuya doesn't mess around. Devil Mode and Fatality; Tekken style.

Heihachi vs Goro: Heihachi don't mess around. After noticing Goro's sheer size, he'll go all out no problem.

Anna Williams vs Baraka: Anna breaks Baraka's arm blades aparts after reversing his moves against himself.

Nina Williams vs Sonya Blade: Sonya spams Ring Shots as Nina effortlessly dodges them for the kill.

Yoshimitsu vs Noob Saibot: Noob wins, but a possible draw (Double Fatality)

Bryan Fury vs Scorpion: I can see Scorpion using hit and run tactics to try to exert Brian's power supply, but last minute teleport, Brian tricks Scorpion and as Scorpion appears on the other side, Brian does a reverse clothesline and takes off Scorpion's head.

Jack vs Cyrax: Jack is too slow and will eventually lose power supply and turn-off itself.

Alicia Boskonovic vs Sektor: Alicia if blood-lusted = Instant kill on Sektor

Hwoarang vs Johnny Cage: Johnny Cage wins in a good fight

Lei Wulong vs Stryker: Jackie Chan wins

Roger Jr vs Jaxx: I see Jaxx winning this.... Barely after a desperate attempt.

Ling Xiaoyu vs Kitana: Kitana evetually

Eddie Gordo vs Reiko: Reiko with ease

Marduk vs Kintaro: Marduk rips Kintaro apart

Jinpachi vs Shao Kahn: Jinpachi is too cheap a character with the Forcefield. Shao Kahn won't believe it as he is stunned just by approaching Jinpachi

Panda vs Motaro: Tie

Christie vs Mileena: Mileena (though Mileena would definitely loose against DOA's Christie)

Law & Steve & Paul vs Sub-Zero: Sub-Zero will have the edge at 1st, but One of the two will sacrifice himself by holding down Sub-Zero as Law charges his Super one hit Dragon Punch.

Lee & Raven & Bruce vs Rain: Lee's annoyance will be too distracting for Rain. The team wins.

#7 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

@BloodsunX said:

Jin Kazama vs Liu Kang- Much more Powerful

Kazuya Mishima vs Kung Lao- More Powerful

Heihachi vs Goro-Heihachi Has faced Stronger and Goro is too slow

Anna Williams vs Baraka- More Lethal and Durable

Nina Williams vs Sonya Blade - More Flexible, but she wins 6/10.

Yoshimitsu vs Noob Saibot- It can go either way, but if Yoshi hits Noob once hes done.

Bryan Fury vs Scorpion - Much more powerful, and has alot of moves he can use.

Jack vs Cyrax - Better Fighter, and more effective Weapons.

Alicia Boskonovic vs Sektor- Alisa has more dangerous weapons

Hwoarang vs Johnny Cage- More Moves, and a more powerful moveset

Lei Wulong vs Stryker- Good Fight, but I say Lei

Roger Jr vs Jaxx- Jax is Stronger and more powerful

Ling Xiaoyu vs Kitana- Kitana wins in a stomp

Eddie Gordo vs Reiko - More powerful

Marduk vs Kintaro - Is much Stronger and Faster

Jinpachi vs Shao Kahn - Jinpanchi is more destructive, and Shao Kahn's cockiness will interfere with his chances of winning

Panda vs Motaro - Stronger and better Fighter

Christie vs Mileena - Mileena is much more dangerous and lethal, but if this was a beauty contest, Christie stomps

Law & Steve & Paul vs Sub-Zero- If this was Cyber Sub Zero then he would win, but the Team would overwhelm him

Lee & Raven & Bruce vs Rain- I don't see them Tagging Rain, plus Rain is much more powerful than all of them.

#8 Edited by P0rtal (872 posts) - - Show Bio

Mortal Kombats weakest characters chop 2ft-3ft thick Solid metal Anvils in half, juggle half ton monsters like Goro and Kintaro into the air repeatedly with jabs, can uppercut half ton people 20 ft straight up into the air and with enough force to bust through a solid concrete and rock ceiling, are bullet, laser, missile and small explosive proof. The top tier fighters are on par with or even beat fighters that have 10,000 years of Battle Experience. Heihachi was tossed into the horizon and landed on cement, broke through the ground and got up with minor injury. Nobody in MK can do that.

Fighting Skills: Kang > giant gap > everyone else

Raw Physical Strength: Kahn in Outworld > Tekken > Quite a Large Gap > Everyone else in MK

Energy Projection: Devil Kaz and Jin > Raiden > Jinpachi > everyone else in MK > everyone else in Tekken

Durability/Least Prone to Injury: Tekken > huge gap > MK

Speed: Tekken. Nobody in MK can dodge bullets or fight in a blur, MK is slow beyond reason and is the most "human" in that regard.

Most likely to win in an all out brawl to the death: Liu Kang only because of his story arc. He is "the golden boy" and will come out with a victory somehow. He's beaten odds stacked 100x against him, beat Kahn repeatedly and others with THOUSANDS of years of fighting experience. He is not an idiot, and I am sorry to say the entire Mishima family is made up of fighters who let their rage get the best of them and they always make a really stupid mistake or are overconfident and end up losing.

#9 Posted by BloodsunX (616 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shisho_The_Fist said:

@BloodsunX: How is scorpion more powerful then bryan fury, he's close to if not thee physically strongest person in tekken. There's no evidence to support scorpions flames will effect Bryan and scorpion isn't out muscling Bryan so his spear is pretty useless. His teleport will buy him time but if bryan gets a few hits on scorpion he'll be down.

Also, how don't you see a three man team consisting of a teleporting ninja (raven), and two highly skilled fighters (Lee & Bruce) tagging rain when he's been knocked unconscious by jade?

Scorpion has instant access to the Netherealm. Scorpion's teleportation should lure Bryan into a portal. Fatality.

Rain's teleportation is about half a second, of spawning several feet apart. He could kill them one by one, with Raven being the most troublesome, but Rain would eventually come out on top.

People also team to forget, as that Fatalities are meant for entertainment, and could happen anytime in the match if the fighter really wanted to. Many of the MK characters have morals, and hesitate to kill immediatley. Example could be Stryker. He has some "super" grenade that he throws out after winning a match. It blows all the opponents guts out. Why not throw that grenade in the begining of the match, rather than wait for the opponent to be temporarily dazed and kill them while they are almost unconscous. Why waste a perfectly fine greanade that you know wouldn't work, rather than using the super grenade.

@P0rtal said:

Mortal Kombats weakest characters chop 2ft-3ft thick Solid metal Anvils in half, juggle half ton monsters like Goro and Kintaro into the air repeatedly with jabs, can uppercut half ton people 20 ft straight up into the air and with enough force to bust through a solid concrete and rock ceiling, are bullet, laser, missile and small explosive proof. The top tier fighters are on par with or even beat fighters that have 10,000 years of Battle Experience. Heihachi was tossed into the horizon and landed on cement, broke through the ground and got up with minor injury. Nobody in MK can do that.

Fighting Skills: Kang > giant gap > everyone else

Raw Physical Strength: Kahn in Outworld > Tekken > Quite a Large Gap > Everyone else in MK

Energy Projection: Devil Kaz and Jin > Raiden > Jinpachi > everyone else in MK > everyone else in Tekken

Durability/Least Prone to Injury: Tekken > huge gap > MK

Speed: Tekken. Nobody in MK can dodge bullets or fight in a blur, MK is slow beyond reason and is the most "human" in that regard.

Most likely to win in an all out brawl to the death: Liu Kang only because of his story arc. He is "the golden boy" and will come out with a victory somehow. He's beaten odds stacked 100x against him, beat Kahn repeatedly and others with THOUSANDS of years of fighting experience. He is not an idiot, and I am sorry to say the entire Mishima family is made up of fighters who let their rage get the best of them and they always make a really stupid mistake or are overconfident and end up losing.

Kang isn't that much better than everyone else. He's nowhere near Heihachi or Kahn's level. Hell even Raiden could mess him up if he wanted to. Many of the Martial Artists are just as skilled.

I would put Kintaro and maybe Goro over Tekken Individually.

Energy Projection is close. If Raiden showed his full power, he could be slightly above the Devil's.

Are you kidding? Tekken durablity is great and all, but the people from Mk are wayy more durable. Who can still fight after getting a cracked skull, broken jaw, dislocated arm, bruises and cuts everywhere, and still be able to fight like they did when they started the match? Heihachi fell off a cliff yeah, but so could alot of MK people. However I do think that mostly Mishimas can be that durable to endure that.

#10 Posted by terry2012 (4768 posts) - - Show Bio

Michelle Chang vs Nightwolf

Ogre vs Raiden

King / Armor King vs Reptile

Lars vs Smoke

Baek vs Kano

wang Jinrei vs Shujinko

Ganryu vs Bo Rai Cho

Mokujin vs Kenshi

Feng Wei vs Sindel

Kuma vs Sheeva

Devil Jin vs Ermac & Quan Chi & Shang Tsung

#11 Posted by Genxsis (189 posts) - - Show Bio

@ozeol: Jin Kazama vs Liu Kang- Jin all freaking day. Same skill level and Jin hit dozens of times harder. The EWGF will mess Liu up. This is a mismatch

Kazuya Mishima vs Kung Lao. See above comment replace Jin with Kazuya and Liu with Kung

Heihachi vs Goro. I honestly think Kiehachi is faster and more durable. He has shown catching a bullet with his teeth. If Liu Kang beat him, Heihachi stomps

Anna Williams vs Baraka not a horrid match up minus the fact that baraka has swords in his arms. I'm saying him based of range and physical power in is favor, pull projectiles.

Nina Williams vs Sonya Blade. Nina. All day. Better fighter. Better trained. More down to break a hoe off. LOLO

Yoshimitsu vs Noob Saibot Great fight. Siabot takes it. Shadow powers overwhelm over all and the ability to cast a shadow that prevents Yoshimitsu from doing damage.

Bryan Fury vs Scorpion. Bryan stomps without question. Bryan has walked through explosions. The flames would be meaning less. Scorpions spear would be his down fall.

Jack vs Cyrax. Going with Cyrax. Net and flight. Faster of the two as well.

Alicia Boskonovic vs Sektor. Alicia if she's on kill mode. Chain saws. Better flight. Projectiles and limb regen.

Hwoarang vs Johnny Cage. I'm only going with Cage because I don't see Howarang with good projectile defense. Plus, I think that shadow kick worked on speed?? Maybe. If that's the case, Cage.

Lei Wulong vs Stryker. Lei stomps.

Roger Jr vs Jaxx. Jaxx stomps. Metal arms. Way more powerful. Projectiles.

Ling Xiaoyu vs Kitana. Kitana stomps. Exp. Range. Weapons.

Eddie Gordo vs Reiko. Slaughter stomp. Eddy does not want to do this.

Marduk vs Kintaro. Kintaro. Higher defense. Equal or greater strength. I think he did have projectiles. Much better range.

Jinpachi vs Shao Kahn. Jinpachi. range. Teleport. Ability to stun. Hit's as hard if not harder. Mulit-porjectiles.

Panda vs Motaro. Motaro stomps

Christie vs Mileena Complete and utter mismatch. Mileena all day.

Law & Steve & Paul vs Sub-Zero. Freeza powers would be hella gross, however three to one and one of them is Big Punch Paul Phoenix. Phoenix smasher in mind. This is a murder-stomp.

Lee & Raven & Bruce vs Rain The reverse of the last comment. Rain would destroy these people. Lightning and the around the world kick. Rain crushes.

Edit:

Michelle Chang vs Nightwolf. Nightwolf easy. Faster, projectiles.

Ogre vs Raiden. Which ogre? True Ogre even. I think it could honestly go either way. Regular ogre, Raiden.

King / Armor King vs Reptile. Reptile. All day.

Lars vs Smoke Smoke on range. Otherwise, this was a good match up.

Baek vs Kano. Beak. Better fighter. Hits harder and faster. Kano's only change is the knife.

wang Jinrei vs Shujinko No idea who the second guy is.

Ganryu vs Bo Rai Cho see comment above.

Mokujin vs Kenshi^

Feng Wei vs Sindel Feng Wei. Much better fighter. Hits way damn harder. Stomp in my view. He put that master through a three.

Kuma vs Sheeva. Kuma. Strong enough to bang with Paul. Actually beat paul once.

Devil Jin vs Ermac & Quan Chi & Shang Tsung. I can't call this one. I am leaning toward Devil Jin because of the fact that his so damn durable. He just tanks so much damage and his a fantastic fighter. I would not be shocked if D.Jin didn't one shot Shang. He's got flight, Beams and great power. Actually with that in mind. I say D.Jin. Great fight. Hard fought, but I say Jin.

#12 Posted by BloodsunX (616 posts) - - Show Bio

Michelle Chang vs Nightwolf-Nightwolf, too heavy of a powerset, and has many more powers.

Ogre vs Raiden-Raiden wins this

King / Armor King vs Reptile-If the Kings work together, they should be able to overwhelm Reptile. If he fights them one by one he should take this.

Lars vs Smoke-This is actually a close match. Smoke's range gives him the advantage so he wins 7/10. H2H Lars would win.

Baek vs Kano- Baek should be able to take him.

wang Jinrei vs Shujinko- Shunjinko would win with little difficulty.

Ganryu vs Bo Rai Cho- If this is Canon Ganyru, Bo Rai Cho wins. If its Non-Canon Ganyru wins,

Mokujin vs Kenshi-Can't be decided, without a specific style to give Mokujin, there is no way to determine a winner.

Feng Wei vs Sindel- Sindel beat the living sh*t out of most of the MK heroes at the same time. Feng Wei doesnt stand a chance.

Kuma vs Sheeva-Sheeva should win.

Devil Jin vs Ermac & Quan Chi & Shang Tsung- If Devil Jin is going all out, he should take this, however not without a fight. If Shang Tsung can tag him, and steal Devil Jin's soul, I think he may revert to Normal Jin, and Normal Jin probably could only take out 1 of the 3, not all though.

You should add more battles btw lol.

#13 Edited by Shisho_The_Fist (126 posts) - - Show Bio

@BloodsunX: Sending bryan through a portal isn't a confirmed death, there are many people that have gone through scorpions portals with him and have not died so that is not a kill for scorpion. Bryan is physically strong enough to damn near punch through every part of scorpion. Scorpion can not teleport punch and conjure a portal at the same time so it is meaningless to imply so and the fact that scorpion isn't strong enough to knock bryan in the portal to begin with. Bryan beats Scorpion.

Rains teleportation is not half a second, It takes at least 2 seconds for rain to transform his body into water and get into the ground. It takes just as long for him to reappear just as it takes him about a 1.5 to 2 seconds to lift his hands to summon lighting. He'll get overwhelmed there are just to many skilled opponents fighting him, like i said he's been knocked out by jade what makes you believe these three can't do what 1 female edenian warrior did

#14 Posted by Shisho_The_Fist (126 posts) - - Show Bio

Michelle Chang vs Nightwolf- Nightwolf is stronger, faster, and with his spirit abilities Michelle won't stand a chance.

Ogre vs Raiden- Raiden's an electrical powerhouse with great martial art skills. He can do what normal Jin did easily.

King / Armor King vs Reptile- Together they should be able to take reptile.

Lars vs Smoke- H2H Lars would overpower smoke but as long as smoke keeps his distance he should be able to pick Lars apart long enough to land a decisive blow to keep him down.

Baek vs Kano-Better fighter

wang Jinrei vs Shujinko- Wang's age is troubling him alot more than shujinko's.

Ganryu vs Bo Rai Cho- Bo Rai Cho has taught some of the most talented people in the MK verse. He should be able to take Ganryu.

Mokujin vs Kenshi- Depends on who Mokujin is mimicking

Feng Wei vs Sindel- Unless she can pull out a scream loud enough to disorient feng and hit him hard enough to KO him, Feng is going to maul sindeel.

Kuma vs Sheeva-Sheeva is more skilled, she should be able to KO him before he KO's her.

Devil Jin vs Ermac & Quan Chi & Shang Tsung-The only way the team has a chance is if ermac is strong enough to hold devil jin down to the ground so quan and shang can work there magic.Other than that devil jin takes them out.

#15 Posted by BloodsunX (616 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shisho_The_Fist said:

@BloodsunX: Sending bryan through a portal isn't a confirmed death, there are many people that have gone through scorpions portals with him and have not died so that is not a kill for scorpion. Bryan is physically strong enough to damn near punch through every part of scorpion. Scorpion can not teleport punch and conjure a portal at the same time so it is meaningless to imply so and the fact that scorpion isn't strong enough to knock bryan in the portal to begin with. Bryan beats Scorpion.

Rains teleportation is not half a second, It takes at least 2 seconds for rain to transform his body into water and get into the ground. It takes just as long for him to reappear just as it takes him about a 1.5 to 2 seconds to lift his hands to summon lighting. He'll get overwhelmed there are just to many skilled opponents fighting him, like i said he's been knocked out by jade what makes you believe these three can't do what 1 female edenian warrior did

1) The only reason people survive the portals is for 1 story purposes and 2 it would be a cheap death. MK characters believe it or not fight with morals on. If they didn't have morals on, they could easily kill eachother, because of the fatalities they do. Like Scorpion can use his UMK3 fatalities which mostly include going to the Netherealm. Stryker'sMK9 win pose includes him using a "super" grenade which instantly blows up the opponent's body on impact. If he really wanted to kill his opponent he could have used it in the beginning. And im pretty sure isn't durable enough to survive Netherealm's lava. You can post a feat that could possible prove me wrong on this, but as for now i'm inclined to believe he isnt. And Scorpion isn't that weak. I'm assuming he's not the strongest, but he's atleast able to harm Bryan or atleast have enough force to push him back.

Like I said, with the morals. Rain's MK fatalities show that he has no problem destroying the fragile human body structures. And have you ever played MK9 as Rain? His teleport is at most 1 second to go from each side of the opponent. And the Jade thing was part of the story. The hero almost always wins no matter the odds. However this is Comic-Vine, and those laws don't apply.

#16 Posted by Caionsouza (134 posts) - - Show Bio

@terry2012 said:

Jin Kazama vs Liu Kang

Kazuya Mishima vs Kung Lao

Heihachi vs Goro

Anna Williams vs Baraka

Nina Williams vs Sonya Blade could go either way

Yoshimitsu vs Noob Saibot

Bryan Fury vs Scorpion

Jack vs Cyrax

Alicia Boskonovic vs Sektor

Hwoarang vs Johnny Cage

Lei Wulong vs Stryker

Roger Jr vs Jaxx

Ling Xiaoyu vs Kitana

Eddie Gordo vs Reiko

Marduk vs Kintaro

Jinpachi vs Shao Kahn

Panda vs Motaro

Christie vs Mileena

Law & Steve & Paul vs Sub-Zero

Lee & Raven & Bruce vs Rain

#17 Posted by SpeedForceSpider (902 posts) - - Show Bio

@Caionsouza said:

@terry2012 said:

Jin Kazama vs Liu Kang

Kazuya Mishima vs Kung Lao

Heihachi vs Goro

Anna Williams vs Baraka

Nina Williams vs Sonya Blade could go either way

Yoshimitsu vs Noob Saibot

Bryan Fury vs Scorpion

Jack vs Cyrax

Alicia Boskonovic vs Sektor

Hwoarang vs Johnny Cage

Lei Wulong vs Stryker

Roger Jr vs Jaxx

Ling Xiaoyu vs Kitana

Eddie Gordo vs Reiko

Marduk vs Kintaro

Jinpachi vs Shao Kahn

Panda vs Motaro

Christie vs Mileena

Law & Steve & Paul vs Sub-Zero

Lee & Raven & Bruce vs Rain

Seems about right. Excellent!

#18 Posted by terry2012 (4768 posts) - - Show Bio

@SpeedForceSpider: Yep it is.

#19 Posted by BloodsunX (616 posts) - - Show Bio

@SpeedForceSpider said:

@Caionsouza said:

@terry2012 said:

Jin Kazama vs Liu Kang

Kazuya Mishima vs Kung Lao

Heihachi vs Goro

Anna Williams vs Baraka

Nina Williams vs Sonya Blade could go either way

Yoshimitsu vs Noob Saibot

Bryan Fury vs Scorpion

Jack vs Cyrax

Alicia Boskonovic vs Sektor

Hwoarang vs Johnny Cage

Lei Wulong vs Stryker

Roger Jr vs Jaxx

Ling Xiaoyu vs Kitana

Eddie Gordo vs Reiko

Marduk vs Kintaro

Jinpachi vs Shao Kahn

Panda vs Motaro

Christie vs Mileena

Law & Steve & Paul vs Sub-Zero

Lee & Raven & Bruce vs Rain

Seems about right. Excellent!

I agree with all of them except the 1st, 16th, and 20th.

#20 Posted by Shisho_The_Fist (126 posts) - - Show Bio

@BloodsunX: The portals are never mean't to kill anyone, they are a means of travel in between the realms. They were only depicted in killing people in fatalities which tend to be as flashy and gory as possible.Scorpion has only lifted a lava hand from the netherealm in his umk3 fatality but nowhere outside of it. If he actually had that ability, quan chi would have never escaped him when traveling in the netherealm. Also,in scorpions mk9 fatality, the portal scorpion kicks you in takes you through the netherealm so its not the actual portal that kills but the fire and lava thats within the netherealm where the portal brings you. Scorpion is a resurrected human turned spectre, he still has the physical strength of a human in the mk verse and only gained the ability to control hellfire upon his resurrection so unless he's physically strong enough to hit harder than a speeding tank shell he's not pushing bryan anywhere . Also, scorpion will never get bryan into the portal because of what i previously stated so unless he can spring lava up out of nowhere (which he can't) lava is a mute point. Yes, i have played with rain; I own mk9 and i am very familiar with how long it takes him to teleport and to initiate his other special moves and he's too outnumbered to take them all out. The jade thing had nothing to do with the main plot and was quite irrelevant to the story to be honest, so her being a hero doesn't change the fact that she beat rain.

#21 Posted by ozeol (504 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shisho_The_Fist:

How about these?

Jin vs Sub-Zero

Jin vs Scorpion

Kazuya vs Scorpion

Heihachi vs Shao Kahn

Jack vs Goro

Jack vs Shao Kahn

Bryan vs Goro

Bryan vs Shao Kahn

Yoshimitsu vs Smoke

Yoshimitsu vs Scorpion

Yoshimitsu vs Kenshi

Devil Jin vs Raiden

Devil Jin vs Shao Kahn

Devil Jin vs Shinnok

Ling Xiaoyu vs Reptile

Nina Williams vs Kitana

Anna Williams vs Mileena

Lars vs Liu Kang

Lars vs Goro

Lars vs Noob

Lars vs Sub-Zero

Law vs Liu Kang

Lei Wulong vs Liu Kang

Lei Wulong vs Kung Lao

Paul vs Kintaro

Paul vs Johnny Cage

Mokujin vs Shang Tsung

Lee & Hwoarang vs Shang Tsung

Paul & Law vs Quan Chi

Raven & Lars vs Ermac

Raven vs Noob

Alicia vs Ermac

Alicia vs Rain

Nightwolf vs Reiko

Feng Wei vs Motaro

King vs Jaxx

Christie vs Sonya

#22 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

Jin Kazama vs Liu Kang

Kazuya Mishima vs Kung Lao

Heihachi vs Goro

Anna Williams vs Baraka

Nina Williams vs Sonya Blade

Yoshimitsu vs Noob Saibot

Bryan Fury vs Scorpion

Jack vs Cyrax

Alicia Boskonovic vs Sektor

Hwoarang vs Johnny Cage

Lei Wulong vs Stryker

Roger Jr vs Jaxx

Ling Xiaoyu vs Kitana

Eddie Gordo vs Reiko

Marduk vs Kintaro

Jinpachi vs Shao Kahn

Panda vs Motaro

Christie vs Mileena

Law & Steve & Paul vs Sub-Zero

Lee & Raven & Bruce vs Rain

Edit:

Michelle Chang vs Nightwolf

Ogre vs Raiden

King / Armor King vs Reptile

Lars vs Smoke

Baek vs Kano

wang Jinrei vs Shujinko

Ganryu vs Bo Rai Cho

Mokujin vs Kenshi

Feng Wei vs Sindel

Kuma vs Sheeva

Devil Jin vs Ermac & Quan Chi & Shang Tsung

#23 Edited by terry2012 (4768 posts) - - Show Bio

How about these?

Jin vs Sub-Zero

Jin vs Scorpion

Kazuya vs Scorpion This will come down to the wire

Heihachi vs Shao Kahn

Jack vs Goro

Jack vs Shao Kahn

Bryan vs Goro

Bryan vs Shao Kahn

Yoshimitsu vs Smoke Could go either way

Yoshimitsu vs Scorpion Could go either way

Yoshimitsu vs Kenshi This could go either way, very good match up

Devil Jin vs Raiden

Devil Jin vs Shao Kahn

Devil Jin vs Shinnok

Ling Xiaoyu vs Reptile

Nina Williams vs Kitana could go either way

Anna Williams vs Mileena

Lars vs Liu Kang

Lars vs Goro

Lars vs Noob

Lars vs Sub-Zero

Law vs Liu Kang

Lei Wulong vs Liu Kang

Lei Wulong vs Kung Lao

Paul vs Kintaro

Paul vs Johnny Cage

Mokujin vs Shang Tsung

Lee & Hwoarang vs Shang Tsung

Paul & Law vs Quan Chi

Raven & Lars vs Ermac

Raven vs Noob

Alicia vs Ermac You mean Alisa

Alicia vs Rain

Nightwolf vs Reiko

Feng Wei vs Motaro

King vs Jaxx

Christie vs Sonya

#24 Edited by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

@ozeol said:

Jin Kazama vs Liu Kang

Kazuya Mishima vs Kung Lao

Heihachi vs Goro

Anna Williams vs Baraka

Nina Williams vs Sonya Blade

Yoshimitsu vs Noob Saibot

Bryan Fury vs Scorpion

Jack vs Cyrax

Alicia Boskonovic vs Sektor

Hwoarang vs Johnny Cage

Lei Wulong vs Stryker

Roger Jr vs Jaxx

Ling Xiaoyu vs Kitana

Eddie Gordo vs Reiko

Marduk vs Kintaro

Jinpachi vs Shao Kahn

Panda vs Motaro

Christie vs Mileena

Law & Steve & Paul vs Sub-Zero

Lee & Raven & Bruce vs Rain

Edit:

Michelle Chang vs Nightwolf

Ogre vs Raiden

King / Armor King vs Reptile

Lars vs Smoke

Baek vs Kano

wang Jinrei vs Shujinko

Ganryu vs Bo Rai Cho

Mokujin vs Kenshi

Feng Wei vs Sindel

Kuma vs Sheeva

Devil Jin vs Ermac & Quan Chi & Shang Tsung

Being a huge fan of gaming and fighters and familiar with MK, your winners would be the following:

Liu Kang

Kung Lao

Goro

Anna

Sonya

Yoshimitzu

Scorpion

Cyrax

Sektor

Cage

Lei

Roger Jr.

Kitana

Eddie

Kintaro

Shao Kahn

Motaro

Christie

Sub-Zero

Lee, Raven & Bruce should manage

Nightwolf

Raiden

Armor King

Smoke

Baek

Shujinko

Bo Rai Cho

Kenshi

Sindel

Kuma

Ermac, Shang and QC destroy Devil Jin

#25 Posted by Shisho_The_Fist (126 posts) - - Show Bio

@terry2012: Would you mind explaining how Raiden and Shao Kahn can beat Devil Jin yet Shinnok (who has shown he's stronger than both of the former) losses to him?

#26 Edited by terry2012 (4768 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shisho_The_Fist: Could you mind explaining to me where do you see Shinnok at? Shinnok is not even been mention here in this battle yet. The one that has been mention that is close to Shinnok is Shujinko. Which he has not been put up against Devil Jin.

#27 Edited by Shisho_The_Fist (126 posts) - - Show Bio

Jin vs Sub-Zero-Depends on how long it would take Jin to break free of being frozen. Too long he loses but if he can do it quickly he's the physically stronger and faster character so he should be able to take sub zero h2h. This battle is all dependent on how sub zero's freezing abilities interact since in most cut scenes when he freezes then hits someone the ice that froze them just breaks off after the hit, where as in fatalities they shatter into a million pieces.

Jin vs Scorpion-Real close but scorpion should take it

Kazuya vs Scorpion-Depends since we don't distinguish kazuya and devil kazuya since kazuya has full control and can transform whenever he likes. If he's allowed to transform in this fight kazuya will maul Scorpion. If not the fights closer and scorpion should win.

Heihachi vs Shao Kahn- If Liu Kang can beat him twice i see no reason why heihachi couldn't do the same. If Kahn isn't jobbing he should win but if this is his usual self he losses.

Jack vs Goro- Both Incredibly strong could go either way.

Jack vs Shao Kahn- Jacks durability and Shao's track history makes this questionable.

Bryan vs Goro- Bryan should take this

Bryan vs Shao Kahn-Same reason as heihachi

Yoshimitsu vs Smoke- Close depends on which version of smoke

Yoshimitsu vs Scorpion-Very close but i think Yoshi can pull it off

Yoshimitsu vs Kenshi-Too close to call

Devil Jin vs Raiden- Close but raiden should win in the long run

Devil Jin vs Shao Kahn-Same reasons stated for heihachi and bryan. If this is post Armageddon amped kahn then he'll win other than that kahn losses seeing his track history.

Devil Jin vs Shinnok- Shinnok's sorcery gives him the edge

Ling Xiaoyu vs Reptile- Reptile slaughters

Nina Williams vs Kitana- Kitana, more experienced fighter

Anna Williams vs Mileena- Mileena's crazy enough to do anything to win

Lars vs Liu Kang- Lars is stronger and faster than liu. Pretty much the same reason why Jin beats him.

Lars vs Goro- Lars is gonna out maneuver and punish him.

Lars vs Noob- Depends on how noobs powers interact here.

Lars vs Sub-Zero- Same reason for Jin

Law vs Liu Kang- Too close to call

Lei Wulong vs Liu Kang- Too close to call

Lei Wulong vs Kung Lao- Another too close to call

Paul vs Kintaro- The big four armed guys aren't really dangerous unless they get there hands on you. Seeing how slow they are it's rare. Paul should be able to edge out the win.

Paul vs Johnny Cage- Paul's gonna knock johnny out cold

Mokujin vs Shang Tsung- Depends on who each is mimicked during the start as this can be really close or a blow out depending on who's mimicked at start for mokujin.

Lee & Hwoarang vs Shang Tsung- Lee & Hwoarang outnumber Shang

Paul & Law vs Quan Chi- Quan is to outnumbered

Raven & Lars vs Ermac - Unless ermac can control one person and fight the other he'll have to much trouble seeing as he's dealing with a mishima and someone who can teleport.

Raven vs Noob - Could go either way depending on how noobs powers interact here.

Alicia vs Ermac- Ermac, one opponent, can focus on simply throwing her around

Alicia vs Rain- Close but rain edges her out.

Nightwolf vs Reiko- Nightwolf, haven't seen anything impressive from reiko

Feng Wei vs Motaro- Motaro's gonna hop around a little then get ko'd by feng

King vs Jaxx- King if he can do it quickly

Christie vs Sonya- Could go either way but i'll give it to sonya

#28 Edited by Shisho_The_Fist (126 posts) - - Show Bio

@terry2012: @terry2012 said:

How about these?

Jin vs Sub-Zero

Jin vs Scorpion

Kazuya vs Scorpion This will come down to the wire

Heihachi vs Shao Kahn

Jack vs Goro

Jack vs Shao Kahn

Bryan vs Goro

Bryan vs Shao Kahn

Yoshimitsu vs Smoke Could go either way

Yoshimitsu vs Scorpion Could go either way

Yoshimitsu vs Kenshi This could go either way, very good match up

Devil Jin vs Raiden

Devil Jin vs Shao Kahn

Devil Jin vs Shinnok

Ling Xiaoyu vs Reptile

Nina Williams vs Kitana could go either way

Anna Williams vs Mileena

Lars vs Liu Kang

Lars vs Goro

Lars vs Noob

Lars vs Sub-Zero

Law vs Liu Kang

Lei Wulong vs Liu Kang

Lei Wulong vs Kung Lao

Paul vs Kintaro

Paul vs Johnny Cage

Mokujin vs Shang Tsung

Lee & Hwoarang vs Shang Tsung

Paul & Law vs Quan Chi

Raven & Lars vs Ermac

Raven vs Noob

Alicia vs Ermac You mean Alisa

Alicia vs Rain

Nightwolf vs Reiko

Feng Wei vs Motaro

King vs Jaxx

Christie vs Sonya

Look at the fight after Devil Jin vs Shao Kahn. That clearly says shinnok (underlined it for you)

#29 Posted by terry2012 (4768 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shisho_The_Fist: I click the wrong one, it is supposed to be Shinnok.

#30 Posted by terry2012 (4768 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shisho_The_Fist: But then again he lost to Sub Zero.

#31 Posted by Shisho_The_Fist (126 posts) - - Show Bio

@terry2012:MK Mythologies had nothing to do with the main MK verse plot since Shinnok was still sealed within the netherealm (by the elder gods) before being released by quan chi not long after mk3. They just incorporated those characters into the game.

#32 Edited by terry2012 (4768 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shisho_The_Fist: He still lost no matter what. And he lost in MK4 to someone who is not on a god level. Mk Mythologies does something to with the MK main verse plot. Because it dates back before the first game of MK that came out. Because Shinnok got release after the first game of MK. Just like how the story is of MK9 because it actually started over again.

#33 Posted by Shisho_The_Fist (126 posts) - - Show Bio

@terry2012: Ok i'll put it like this, Mk mythologies did happen but the events in the end did not. Sub zero did go throughout the temple and apprehend the amulet which was eventually apprehended by quan chi who then returned to the netherealm to give shinnok the fake amulet he created while he kept the real one for himself. In Mk4 Raiden traveled with the earthrealm warriors throughout the tournament as quan chi followed shinnok throughout the tournament up until quan chi was brought to the netherealm by scorpion. Shinnok's forces did much of the fighting throughout the tournament so he didn't realize up until he was approached by liu kang and raiden that the amulet he had was a fake in which realized he was de-powered. Liu kang with Raiden's help defeated the de-powered shinnok. After the deaths of shang tsung, quan chi, and onaga, Shinnok managed to regain the real amulet in his possession some time during the end of armageddon. So it's pretty much like this, without amulet=slightly stronger than quan chi and shang tsung level, with amulet=Elder God level.

#34 Edited by terry2012 (4768 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shisho_The_Fist: Could you explain to me how can Bryan beat Shao Khan? The same with Devil Jin beaten Shao Khan? The same with Fei Wei beaten Motaro? Jack vs Shao Khan is not questionable Shao Khan wins that one. Back to the subject, The same with Paul beating Kintaro? Paul beating Johnny Cage? Raven & Lars beating Ermac? Lee & Hwoarang beating Shang Tsung? And Law & Paul beating Quan Chi? Just asking.

#35 Edited by terry2012 (4768 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shisho_The_Fist: The events in the end did happen because it sets up everything. And Quan chi still had amulet up until MK Deception. And like you said Shinnok got it back during MK Armageddon with everyone on there. And no he not slightly stronger than Quan Chi and Shang Tsung without the amulet. He is stronger than Raiden and Shao Khan without the amulet, and with the amulet he is back to full power as an Elder god level. So he is more stronger than Quan Chi and Shang Tsung.Well at least In my opinion.

#36 Edited by Shisho_The_Fist (126 posts) - - Show Bio

@terry2012: The thing about shao kahn is that he's not on raidens level without absorbing souls which is why he has a soulnado in his outworld castle for his convenience. This is why liu kang was able to beat him twice, he needs the power increase from the soulnado's to increase his power up to raidens level cause other than that he wouldn't be strong enough to face him.Also that shao kahn relies on his physical strength more than his magical abilities. This is why he get's beaten by bryan, devil jin, and jack, who each is maybe 5x stronger than liu (except devil jin who is only slightly stronger due to devil gene) and jack and bryan being 10x as durable as liu. Shao relies to heavy on his power amps which is why when there not there or they wither he losses. If your not aware the cintaurians were cased a curse on them by the shokans which gave them two legs instead of four which is why he appears the way he does in armageddon but before he was revived and put in armageddon he was killed by shiva. Feng Wei is strong enough to hurt motaro while being plently faster to maneuver around motaro's slow attacks. Same with paul and kintaro, the shokans seem to get bested by people who are strong enough to hurt them while being faster to wear them down. I honestly don't see how you don't see paul phoenix beating johnny cage, can you explain to me why you think this? Raven and Lars beating ermac i explained, Ermac telekinesis focuses on one body giving him considerable control for a time, with two people he can't control one person while being attacked by the other. Shang tsung gets beaten everytime he faces liu kang yet you don't see two people just as talented as liu kang beating shang tsung? The former explanation explains why quan chi loses as well. Sub zero beating Shinnok didn't happen because the main MK plot explains that shinnok was still imprisoned in the netherealm gathering his army before quan chi came and delivered him the fake amulet and released him from the netherealm. MK mythologies explained why and how quan chi came in possession of the amulet and what it was being used for. I also said he is stronger than quan chi and shang tsung since in his depowered state he's still a very powerful sorcerer, greater than both shang and quan, but not exceptionally powerful to overpower liu kang which he should of had the power to do. It's hard to measure exactly how strong shinnok was without his amulet but i'll agree he's most likely at normal raidens level, which is weird cause if we think about it quan and shang combined killed shao kahn yet when they fought raiden they barely made it out of that fight alive so its definently up for discussion.

#37 Edited by terry2012 (4768 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shisho_The_Fist: Okay, But I don't see Jack beating Shao Khan when he can just take over his mind. Even his strength is enough to do away with Jack. If Kazuya and Heihachi can do it then so can Shao Khan. The reason why I see Johnny cage beating Paul Phoenix is because Paul is not that much of a thinker. Johnny would out think him to get the victory. Just like he did with Goro and he would do the same with Paul Phoenix. Besides Paul Phoenix lost to a bear and is the reason why Heihachi stop training him and got rid of him. Motaro was not kill by Sheeva he had survive, It was supposedly that he was killed by Sheeva, but manage to survive. He was killed by Raiden at one time, and by somebody else but it didn't disclose that. I think you also forgetting that Motaro can teleport which makes up for his slow attacks. Your last statement yes it is most definitely up for discussion and there were on the same level of god status as Raiden. Plus they had a unlimited supply of souls there to use against Raiden. At that time Raiden lower himself down from a elder god status back to his original god status he had before. Not to mention he was winning. If he had use his most powerful attack at the beginning he would have been gotten the amulet back before Onaga got there.

#38 Posted by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

Mythologies took place years before the MK tourney for the guy asking about that. Raiden actually refers to it once Scorpion kills the Elder Sub-Zero mistakenly due to Quan-Chi's lies.

#39 Posted by P0rtal (872 posts) - - Show Bio

Look at it this way. If you dropped any Mortal Kombat fighter from an airplane 30k feet up in the air onto bricks, what would happen? All of them would die. All MK fighters, including Kahn would splatter and die instantly. Heihachi got smacked into the horizon and landed on solid brick grounding, broke through it, and survived with moderate injury. Just trying to shine the light on how powered the Tekken Fighters really are, they dodge bullets and missiles with ease. Nobody in MK can do that, not even Raiden in his mortal form.

#40 Posted by Shisho_The_Fist (126 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vaeternus: Were aware as the elder sub zero died in mk1 or not far after by scorpion, but the discussion was on what happened after quan chi regained the amulet and if shinnok was truly bested by the elder sub zero in that game even though it was stated he was still within the netherealm gathering his army up until the events of mk4

#41 Posted by Shisho_The_Fist (126 posts) - - Show Bio

@terry2012: I don't remember kahn being able to instantly mind control someone, can you explain where this has been done as i don't recall him having the ability to do so. I don't see how johnny's going to out think paul as there both pretty full of themselves and johnny has never really been portrayed as a heavy thinker. There going to have a traditional fight where paul being the stronger and more experienced fighter should win. Plus, paul was the only person outside of a misihima to come close at beating a mishima (had a draw with kazuya), this shows his incredible strength and skill. I hope when you mention johnny cage beating Goro your not referring to that horrible movie since upon recollection i don't remember johnny cage canonically fighting Goro as liu kang defeated him in both Mk1 and Mk4. You realize Paul lossed to kuma in tekken 4 and was not being trained by heihachi nor was he ever trained by heihachi where did you get this information? Motaro being killed by shiva wasn't my main point but that he was bested by shiva, if his teleporting is that much of a game changer in his favor why didn't it work against sheeva? Raiden's most powerful attacked would have killed him also which would have refrained him from retaining the amulet. Raiden has never done battle in either mortal kombat in his ascended elder god state so he's pretty much always thunder god raiden when he participates since the elder gods cannot intervene. The souls worked in there favor in the defeat of raiden but i still believed he should have been able to best them.

#42 Edited by terry2012 (4768 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shisho_The_Fist: He did it in MK9 to Cyber-Sub zero. The reason why Johnny Cage is not seen as a heavy thinker is because like you said he full of himself. But he has use this to his advantage by making people made at him. And to make them full of rage to lose self control in order to get them to drop their guard. It the reason why he does it in the first place. He'd that type of fighter that looks for an edge in fights. More experience doesn't always guarantee you the win or by being stronger. Look what happen to Goro when he faced Lui Kang. He was stronger and way more experience than him and he still lost him. Paul could not handle Law uppercut, so what he gonna do with Johnny Cage elbow uppercut? and he adds more to it. Plus Paul is sloppy, because he is a bit of a clumsy. He injure himself and Forest Law a lot while they are training. He fought Kazyua to a draw once and yet he still can not beat Kuma who is a pet to Heihachi. Paul two major weakness is that he is hotheaded and overconfidence. He is up there in age as well which would play a part in this one. Why didn't it work on Sheeva? She defeated him by sneaking up behind him, while he was outside of Kano cell. Plus she can also teleport just like Goro, Kintaro, Motaro, And others who can teleport. Her teleportation vs Motaro teleportation cancel each other out. Which is not the case with Fei Wang in this battle. Raiden most powerful attack did not kill him, it only destroy his body. He came back as Dark Raiden which people thought it Quan chi in inside of Raiden body. Though this is still up for discussion. Where did I say Raiden fought as a Elder god? I said he was lower from a elder god back to his original god status as he was before. Which is Raiden The Thunder god, not Raiden The Elder god. Yeah I believe Raiden should have best them as well.

#43 Posted by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shisho_The_Fist said:

@Vaeternus: Were aware as the elder sub zero died in mk1 or not far after by scorpion, but the discussion was on what happened after quan chi regained the amulet and if shinnok was truly bested by the elder sub zero in that game even though it was stated he was still within the netherealm gathering his army up until the events of mk4

Yes, Shinnok was merely defeated(not killed in Mythologies) by Elder Sub-Zero, he regained the amulet but some where along the line Shinnok made a duplicate as it's revealed in MK4, in QC's ending it's not canon but he switched them and destroyed Shinnok. Shinnok however never stopped gathering and gaining power in NR, he was merely kept there at bay by the Elder Sub-Zero and Raiden banishing him there eons ago. MK4 happened and Shinnok became a threat again but was ultimately defeated before the events lead up to Deadly Alliance, Deception and Armageddon

#44 Posted by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

If you have any more questions dude, feel free to ask :)

Overall, the MK guys will win majority here but some are pretty close matches.

#45 Posted by Shisho_The_Fist (126 posts) - - Show Bio

@terry2012: Cyber Sub Zero was not mind controlled by shao kahn, those were slaving protocols put on him by the lin kuei. You say like getting people angry will allow him to when yet when he angered and fought jax (stronger and more experienced) he lost so i don't see how making someone angry will allow him to win as its never shown to work that way. Goro lost because of his arrogance, he hadn't been defeated in generations and figured no one could defeat him especially a shoalin monk. The ending where law uppercuts paul is not cannon and shouldn't be used as a source, also you still never explained where johnny cage fought goro cause he didn't do it in either MK1 or MK4 and neither the games after as the shokan race had allied with edenian forces so unless you specify where this occured i won't acknowledge it. When did the shokans learn to teleport? They've never shown this ability in any game so would you also explain where you got this information also? Sheeva can't teleport which shows Motaro was simply bested by sheeva even with teleportation so its obviously not a game changer. What do you mean paul can't beat Kuma, he's beaten both the elder kuma and current kuma. Elder Kuma in T1 & T2, Current Kuma in T3 & T5. I'm well aware raiden can not truly die but you must understand i used the word "kill" in a sense he was without a physical body therefore couldn't retrieve the amulet regardless even if he used the attack to begin with. I know i was implying that there's no reason for mentioning dropping his elder god status as we've never seen the scope of power it contains and for all argument sakes he's always thunder god raiden because of i formerly mentioned.

#46 Posted by Shisho_The_Fist (126 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vaeternus: With the way he has the battles arranged they don't win the majority, also terry believes the shokan can teleport, can you inform me of when this occured?

#47 Edited by terry2012 (4768 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shisho_The_Fist: Yes Shao Khan did. Go back and watch Cyber Zero ending again. He forcefully took over Cyber zero with easy and he did it while he was dead. You don't see how getting someone angered effect them in battle? It effected Paul when he was battling Kazuya. He is hot headed and could cost him the victory which it did with Kazuya. Johnny Cage has not fought with Goro, but I was using him as a example. The fact of matter is Goro still lose whether he was arrogrance or not. He lost fair and square and with 500 years of battle experiences he would know by now not to make that mistake. So that no is excuse on Goro part and it still stand he lost. Law uppercut happen at end of Tekken 5 so how is it not canon? Sheeva did not bested Motaro. She simply got the drop on him like I said before. Their stomp move is called teleprting stomp which is nothing more but a leaping stomp. Got this from wikia page. Anyway she got the drop on him and is the only reason why she was able to beat him. She is no way near the level of Goro, Kintaro, and Motaro no way she can take him. So yes it is obviously a game changer. Paul has lost to Kuma too. So experience isn't everything in battle, it what you know, how you use it, and how wise you are. Yeah he is Thunder god Raiden only because they never show what he can do as an Elder god or any Elder god at all. Which is why I want to see them and know what they can do. I enjoy our conversation. I wasn't try to convince you or anything like that, I'm just giving you my thoughts on what would happen as you are given me your thoughts on what would happen.

#48 Posted by Shisho_The_Fist (126 posts) - - Show Bio

@terry2012: Understand that some peoples ending in the game aren't cannon, such as if you end the game with any character it will say they beat shao kahn and became champion of mortal kombat but we all know liu kang is the cannon (correct) ending that carries over into other games. Paul's hot headedness did not affect him in his fight with kazuya as the match was a draw, if he had been hot headed as you say he would have lost, yet he didn't. Besides back then in t1 & t2 paul was being portrayed as a rival to kazuya and a serious and stern fighter, not the hotheaded oaf he is today. He made that mistake simply because through out those 500 years no one came close to a challenge for him. I know if i had been winning a tournament for generations and hadn't been close to being defeated i would be arrogant as well. It's not cannon because laws ending wasn't cannon as he lost and didnt win the prize money so he had no business being at a bank paying off debt with money he didn't win. If she is nowhere near there level even getting the drop on him shouldn't have surmised a victory but it did and he should have been durable enough to take sheeva's initial attack and fight her but obviously it didn't happen that way;plus, the teleportation didn't help him with liu kang also so its obviously not a game changer as it didn't help him with either fight. He only lost to him once to the four times he's beaten kuma. Well they say the elder gods can't intervene with mortal kombat but they could show a flashback of the elder gods and raiden fighting shinnok. Likewise my friend.

#49 Edited by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shisho_The_Fist said:

@Vaeternus: With the way he has the battles arranged they don't win the majority, also terry believes the shokan can teleport, can you inform me of when this occured?

Well, overall the MK guys will win majority if you examine the powers of both characters.

But as far as Shokan's, yes when they jump high and come down on you from the other side if that's what he referring to. As far as teleporting like Scorpion or Raiden, never happened.

P.S. actually @the terry guy, they did who what Elder Gods can do they just hardly get involved. Years ago they created the entire MKU, every realm from the One Being's body and conscience, created the kamidogu as weapons, put forth the rules of MK in place, created everything, the other gods etc. They also can take people's powers away, kill them and promote them(think Elder God Raiden and Super Scorpion in Deception's arch) they are God of MKU as a whole.

#50 Edited by onilordasmodeus (2529 posts) - - Show Bio

@P0rtal said:

Look at it this way. If you dropped any Mortal Kombat fighter from an airplane 30k feet up in the air onto bricks, what would happen? All of them would die. All MK fighters, including Kahn would splatter and die instantly. Heihachi got smacked into the horizon and landed on solid brick grounding, broke through it, and survived with moderate injury. Just trying to shine the light on how powered the Tekken Fighters really are, they dodge bullets and missiles with ease. Nobody in MK can do that, not even Raiden in his mortal form.

That isn't necessarily true.

While many of the characters are "human", they have all (for the most part) shown an inhuman level of durability. Scorpion comes to mind, but Sonya and Jax have survived against the odds as well.

Any of the God characters would survive a fall like you described, Onaga probably would too, and there are probably a select few others as well.

Reptile dodged bullets in the MK9 story mode, while characters like Sektor, Cyrax, and Stryker use guns, missiles, bombs, and grenades as a part of their normal fighting repertoire. Subzero beat both Cyrax ans Sektor in 1v1 combat.

I just like this pic.

Smoke and Jade can become intangible rendering all projectiles moot, and more than half the cast can teleport from one space to another. In general MK characters have considerable durability, and (arguably) well above average combat speed and reaction times.