Teen Titans vs Young Avengers

So, I usually avoid doing battles on New 52 characters due to lack of feats, but i figure what the hey, i'll give it a shot 
 
 
RULES- 
 
-Post Flashpoint version of Titans 
-Morals ON 
-Fight takes place in NYC (populated) 
-Speed blitz, BFR allowed 
-both team gets two hours prep 
 
 
Titans Team- 
 
-Superboy 
-Wonder Girl 
-Kid Flash 
-Solstice 
-Bunker 
-Skitter 
 
Avengers Team- 
 
-Wiccan 
-Hulkling 
-Patriot 
-Stature  
-Hawkeye 
-Vision 
-Speed 
 
who wins?? 
    
vs 
 

I have not read any new 52 stuff so excuse my ignorance... But it looks like the teen titans entered the Grid in search of Jeff Bridges.

TT looks a bit wack. : (

@thanobomb1124 said:

TT looks a bit wack. : (

Cool :D

I go YA. Unlike what is usual the DC team does not totally outclass the YJ team in physical stats so Hulking and Cassie can slow down SB and WG long enough for Wiccan to finish this with a spell. IF anything KF seems slower then Speed. If the YA take out robin the TT fall apart they have no experience.

Superboy alone would be a problem to the Young Avengers, frankly.

@Morpheus_ said:

Superboy alone would be a problem to the Young Avengers, frankly.

Even the new ones?

@Morpheus_ said:

Superboy alone would be a problem to the Young Avengers, frankly.

Not really. No proof he can do anything to someone who can phase. Not to mention he got beat up by Drake. Wiccan should have more then enough time to cast a spell.

@Skaddix said:

@Morpheus_ said:

Superboy alone would be a problem to the Young Avengers, frankly.

Not really. No proof he can do anything to someone who can phase. Not to mention he got beat up by Drake. Wiccan should have more then enough time to cast a spell.

Yep, really. The second Vision's intangibility is far from full-proof. Hence how someone with sufficient pain tolerance resisted and ripped him to pieces (Noh-Varr).

Wiccan can't even handle Electro and Noh-Varr. Since we're downplaying Superboy by mentioning "he got beat by Drake" and all. Not counting the fact that he soloed all the Titans before and after him, withstood Supergirl's sucker punch that send him to the stratosphere, sustained a blitz from her and made her scream in agony.

@thanobomb1124 said:

TT looks a bit wack. : (

Cool :D

Electro was his first fight.

Noh-Varr is impressive especially his White Run. But its not like Superboy has shown equivalent speed.

Fact remains Wiccan a lot stronger now then when he started. Not to mention Supers and their weakness against magic.

Drake held back which is why SB recovered.

@Skaddix said:

Electro was his first fight.

Noh-Varr is impressive especially his White Run. But its not like Superboy has shown equivalent speed.

Fact remains Wiccan a lot stronger now then when he started. Not to mention Supers and their weakness against magic.

Drake held back which is why SB recovered.

He was actually training with the others specifically to fight Spider-Man villains (including Electro) at the opening of that issue and had Hulkling, Patriot and Iron Lad as back up.

Noh-Varr is impressive but he was one man fighting two teams at once and Wiccan still failed spectacularly.

Regardless of that fact (which I am aware of, I intentionally made the point), he still is quite unimpressive against just about everyone, really. His best feat as displayed in Children's Crusade (# 1, IIRC) isn't even a combat feat. And Superboy has not displayed any weakness to magic at all thus far in the DCnU. Due to the radical changes to the character we can't just assume he would be weak to magic. Superboy has no need to display equivalent to Noh-Varr's speed, because the speed he has actually shown is still far beyond Wiccan's ability to counter, and Wiccan's durability is still poor in comparison.

And Superboy held back which is why the Titans still live. Goes both ways. Not to mention Superboy's powers are dependant on his focus, which he learns to retain much more easily. For every "he got beat by Drake" you might mention, I can counter with, "he got sucker punched by Supergirl and it still didn't matter."

Wiccan can't even handle Electro and Noh-Varr. 

@Morpheus_: Superboy hit Kara first with a tk blast. Its not her fault he is an idiot who turned his back and then got hit. I don't really consider that a sucker punch.

So what losing to Drake is a much worse defeat then losing to Electro as a complete noob or noh varr who as vance says has some pis backing him.

@Skaddix said:

@Morpheus_: Superboy hit Kara first with a tk blast. Its not her fault he is an idiot who turned his back and then got hit. I don't really consider that a sucker punch.

So what losing to Drake is a much worse defeat then losing to Electro as a complete noob or noh varr who as vance says has some pis backing him.

You do realize this is what sucker punch means.

Considering that was Superboy's first fight against a metahuman team ever (not counting Fairchild, that wasn't much of a fight), he was just as much of a noob. I love how you keep harping on the fact that he was temporarily inconvenienced by Drake (because that's all it was, after that he blew up every circuit in Tim's suit, which you neglected to mention) and just pass over the fact that he beat Wonder Girl, Kid Flash and Bunker by himself just prior to that. Selective interpretations rule the day.

@Morpheus_ said:

Wiccan can't even handle Electro and Noh-Varr. 

I think that's just poor writing.Just considering what his powers are alone there's really no reason why he couldn't easily beat either one and in a battle forum setting it's even easier.BFR'ing any member of the Titans would be nothing for Billy.

Billy needs to concentrate and recite his spells most of the time, KF could probably take him out before he does any of this

@cattlebattle said:

Billy needs to concentrate and recite his spells most of the time, KF could probably take him out before he does any of this

Why would Kid Flash go straight for him? Don't you think he would likely have more of a beef with Speed? 

@CitizenBane: He fought aliens at a prison first who clearly had better then human stats ergo not his first fight. Yes he had some impressive wins but the teen titans at that point had zero experience fighting metas besides Drake who has at best 2 years now.

As for Drake not a temporary inconvenience since SB admitted that Drake would have won if he simply kept pushing.

True, I would assume if he saw lights swirling around Billy...which is usually happens when he is conjuring, KF would probably make a b-line for him figuring someything is going down...doesn't have to be KF specifically, could be anyone

@Skaddix said:

@CitizenBane: He fought aliens at a prison first who clearly had better then human stats ergo not his first fight.

Cannon fodder doesn't count.

Yes he had some impressive wins but the teen titans at that point had zero experience fighting metas besides Drake who has at best 2 years now.

And you know this based on what, exactly? None of the Titans' back stories have been revealed yet except for Drake since his back story remains the same. On what basis are you claiming that they've never fought metas before?

@cattlebattle said:

True, I would assume if he saw lights swirling around Billy...which is usually happens when he is conjuring, KF would probably make a b-line for him figuring someything is going down...doesn't have to be KF specifically, could be anyone

I don't think it takes much time for Wiccan to start BFR'ing Titans.

@Skaddix said:

As for Drake not a temporary inconvenience since SB admitted that Drake would have won if he simply kept pushing.

And Drake was unconscious on the floor at the end of the fight, along with the rest of the team, who Superboy left alive only because he wasn't even taking them seriously.

Yep, temporary inconvenience.

@CitizenBane said:

@Skaddix said:

@CitizenBane: He fought aliens at a prison first who clearly had better then human stats ergo not his first fight.

Cannon fodder doesn't count.

Yes he had some impressive wins but the teen titans at that point had zero experience fighting metas besides Drake who has at best 2 years now.

And you know this based on what, exactly? None of the Titans' back stories have been revealed yet except for Drake since his back story remains the same. On what basis are you claiming that they've never fought metas before?

Do they look experienced to you? Where is the proof they have?

So what its his first fight they have above human stats.

Tangent, this makes me wonder how a fight between Legion Lost and the Teen Titans would go.

@Skaddix said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Skaddix said:

@CitizenBane: He fought aliens at a prison first who clearly had better then human stats ergo not his first fight.

Cannon fodder doesn't count.

Yes he had some impressive wins but the teen titans at that point had zero experience fighting metas besides Drake who has at best 2 years now.

And you know this based on what, exactly? None of the Titans' back stories have been revealed yet except for Drake since his back story remains the same. On what basis are you claiming that they've never fought metas before?

Do they look experienced to you? Where is the proof they have?

So what its his first fight they have above human stats.

Tangent, this makes me wonder how a fight between Legion Lost and the Teen Titans would go.

There is no proof that they have never fought or met metahumans before, ever. None of their backstories have been revealed, you're assuming something that simply....isn't.....there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannon_fodder

Default assumption is they have no experience unless proven otherwise. Not that they have experience.

pretty sad then that said cannon fodder knocked poor connor out.

I don't think it would take much time for someone to knock his teeth out before he finishes a spell............

@Skaddix said:

Default assumption is they have no experience unless proven otherwise. Not that they have experience.

pretty sad then that said cannon fodder knocked poor connor out.

No, the default assumption is that until their backstories are revealed, it is inane to just assume things about their past.

Yes, let's focus on the things that happened when he had barely any idea what his powers were. Not that he took on Supergirl and had the clear advantage, the same Supergirl who sent Superman flying with a punch. Christ..

Supergirl fight was inconclusive.

Actually he had Prep for Wonder Girl. Titans had no knowledge.

@Skaddix said:

Supergirl fight was inconclusive.

Actually he had Prep for Wonder Girl. Titans had no knowledge.

Oh, it was plenty conclusive. She blitzed him up and down the stratosphere to zero effect, he unleashed a TK blast that made her scream in pain. Draw your conclusions from that.

He used nothing prep related in his fight against Wonder Girl. He just hit her repeatedly.

@CitizenBane said:

@Skaddix said:

Supergirl fight was inconclusive.

Actually he had Prep for Wonder Girl. Titans had no knowledge.

Oh, it was plenty conclusive. She blitzed him up and down the stratosphere to zero effect, he unleashed a TK blast that made her scream in pain. Draw your conclusions from that.

He used nothing prep related in his fight against Wonder Girl. He just hit her repeatedly.

Read your comics he even mentions looking up info on a hologram. Therefore he has knowledge.

So what she could have left him to suffocate in space. causing pain is not the same as winning or causing permanent damage.

@Skaddix said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Skaddix said:

Supergirl fight was inconclusive.

Actually he had Prep for Wonder Girl. Titans had no knowledge.

Oh, it was plenty conclusive. She blitzed him up and down the stratosphere to zero effect, he unleashed a TK blast that made her scream in pain. Draw your conclusions from that.

He used nothing prep related in his fight against Wonder Girl. He just hit her repeatedly.

Read your comics he even mentions looking up info on a hologram. Therefore he has knowledge.

So what she could have left him to suffocate in space. causing pain is not the same as winning or causing permanent damage.

Use your common sense, if all he needed to do to win was hit her until she couldn't move then the prep doesn't matter. He would have won with or without it since he had the clear physical advantage.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda. When one combatant's best shot achieves nothing while the other's actually achieves something substantial (the same Supergirl pulled a sword out of her shoulder, so hurting her means something) then it's not really an outcome that can be questioned: one was clearly superior to the other.