@darkraiden:
General consensus is not that Thor can't put down street levelers. Only Thor haters think that. Also every writer ever disagrees with you. Thor always wins or stalemates even when Surfer is amped.
First, don't mischaracterize my argument. I didn't say Thor can't put down street levelers, I said he doesn't have the speed to put down street levelers in an h2h fight.
Second, let's calm down with the name-calling. Implying that I'm a "Thor hater" is only gonna get you flagged.
Third, I don't care what every writer thinks. What the writers think is irrelevant to what would actually happen in a hypothetical match. What you're using is a logical fallacy known as appealing to authority. Just because X believes Y doesn't mean Y is true. Likewise, just because comic book writers believe that Thor would either stalemate or beat Silver Surfer doesn't mean that it's true.
Fifth, the very same comics that you're trying to use to assert that Thor is either equal to or stronger than Silver Surfer have consistently shown Thor to be extremely slow with respect to combat speed. That's why the general consensus on this forum is that Thor is a brick. You can't have it both ways by cherry picking your evidence from the comics: You can't use the comics to claim that Thor is equal to or stronger than Norrin, but reject evidence that shows Thor to be extremely slow with respect to combat + reaction speed.
Silver Surfer's versatility alone is too much for Thor. Has Thor ever even shown resistance to TP? No. Has he shown resistance to transmutation? No. These are very basic things that Surfer could do to Thor that Thor has no answer for. Plus, Silver Surfer's feats of destructive capacity and durability are all higher than Thor's. So, again, people need to stop using the comics as religious texts.
@experio said:
@uberhikari: No, Surfer definitely wouldn't solo bloodlusted or not, seeing as Thor has already defeated a serious no holding back Surfer in his own comic. And how can you talk about Thor not being able to put down street levelers when Surfer has been abused by the same pis triple the times Thor has?
See my response to @darkraiden above.
What? Like I said general consensus is that he easily puts down street levelers. If he couldn't tag them, that'd be impossible. duh.
As for calling you a Thor hater, I literally didn't. Just pointed out that only Thor haters would believe he's street level speed after all of his feats that say different. And just pure logic.
Comics have shown Thor thinking at FTL speeds and reacting to FTL events and fighters and even specifying that he has done certain actions in microseconds. So no he's not consistently slow. Only when holding back. And if we're using that, then Surfer's been tagged by Spidey, Rhino, Dracula, and Mexicans with a crowbar. We don't count these because they make no sense obviously.
And the difference between the speed and Surfer thing is that literally EVERY comic with Thor and Surfer in it displays Thor as his superior when they fight. The most Surfer has gotten to is his equal. Does Surfer beat down BRB and Cancerverse Thor? yeah. Does he ever beat 616 Thor? nope. never. Also Thor is just as, if not more versatile than Surfer.
Has he shown resistance to TP? Actually yes, just as much as Surfer, if not more. Moondragon and other type things including phoenix powered Emma Frost have failed to TP him. Resistance to Transmutation? Not sure, but he can simply absorb the cosmic power beam/blast into Mjolnir. Also Thor himself can transmutate things with Mjolnir. Durability? Both took a Supernova without a scratch. But Thor's taken attacks from multiple Celestials and skyfathers and has still been alive/conscious before. Surfer was oneshotted by Odin in contrast. Destructively, neither have passed much more than star busting and planet busting, except Thor's regularly hurt Skyfathers and multiversal beings like Chaos King with his lightning and wind (Glory). Surfer needed to access the Crunch, which nearly killed him, to do something similar.
Thor is simply Surfer's counter in every way. More durable, physically stronger, just as destructive, absorbs and reflects all energy (including power cosmic). Not to mention he's easily broken Surfer's own forcefields in just one strike. even when Surfer was empowered by Loki.
So not only does Thor consistently beat Surfer in comics, but he has the feats to back it.
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