#1 Posted by The Man of Yesteryear (5502 posts) - - Show Bio
Team Superman
Golden Age Superman
Superman
All Star Superman
Silver Age Superman
Superman 1000000
Superman Prime 1000000

VS

Team Goku
Kid Goku
Goku
SSJ1 Goku
SSJ2 Goku
SSJ3 Goku
SSJ4 Goku
#2 Posted by King Saturn (224286 posts) - - Show Bio
Team Superman wins in a Blowout
#3 Posted by Ego (2324 posts) - - Show Bio

goku's speed is so fast that even at the power level of 5,000 it appears that he's standing still but he's runing circles around jiece and burter.

  


5,000 power level.

just imagine how fast he is in the cell saga or the buu saga or gt!

and about strengh, superman is alot stronger.. but lifting 40 ton weights at 1000 x gravity is no joke either.

#4 Posted by King Saturn (224286 posts) - - Show Bio
Okay... but Ego how will this matter against Superman Prime of DC One Million who is totally Omnipotent ? His powers surpass even that of the 5th Dimensional Imps... what will Goku's speed give him against this massively powerful Superman being ?
#5 Posted by cpt_linger (2902 posts) - - Show Bio

Team Goku could just all fuse together and wipe out every single character imagined.

#6 Posted by King Saturn (224286 posts) - - Show Bio
cpt_linger said:
"Team Goku could just all fuse together and wipe out every single character imagined."
I doubt it. Kal Kent and Superman Prime 1,000,000 on the same team is pretty much an unstoppable team
#7 Posted by TheDrifter (26556 posts) - - Show Bio

Team Goku.........

Dies

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I'm thinking even Krypto alone could take these guys

#8 Edited by cpt_linger (2902 posts) - - Show Bio

yeah but we're talkin about 1 entity here.

here's a rough example of what i mean

goku powerlevel - 1,000,000
vegeta powerlevel - 1,000,000
gogeta/vegeto powerlevel - 15,000,000

just through fusion they become soooo very much more powerful, so all those gokus fused together IMO would be the most unstoppable force. not even galactus, death or satan could stop him because he would be above even their magic/power.

Kal Kent and Prime could do it but i dont think through strength but rather through the mind.

#9 Posted by Vance Astro (91262 posts) - - Show Bio

Team Superman.

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#10 Posted by King Saturn (224286 posts) - - Show Bio
cpt_linger said:
"yeah but we're talkin about 1 entity here.

here's a rough example of what i mean

goku powerlevel - 1,000,000
vegeta powerlevel - 1,000,000
gogeta/vegeto powerlevel - 15,000,000

just through fusion they become soooo very much more powerful, so all those gokus fused together IMO would be the most unstoppable force. not even galactus, death or satan could stop him because he would be above even their magic/power."
But cpt linger, what do those power levels really tell us against these massively powerful Superman Characters who do insane physical feats themselves ? I mean they dont have power levels listed in the DC Universe the way they do in DBZ... and the way these Superman Characters are able to toss Planets like softballs or even destroy planets using there Heat Vision or even Kal Kents ablity to control other beings using Super ESP... how can the DBZ Character get past that and win here ?
#11 Posted by Hal_Jordan1986 (292 posts) - - Show Bio
Ego said:
"goku's speed is so fast that even at the power level of 5,000 it appears that he's standing still but he's runing circles around jiece and burter.

  


5,000 power level.

just imagine how fast he is in the cell saga or the buu saga or gt!

and about strengh, superman is alot stronger.. but lifting 40 ton weights at 1000 x gravity is no joke either.

"
ok first of all
he was hiding his power level

even at the end of dbz as ssj3 goku is no where near light speed
every member of team supes is light speed

second of all 40 tons in 1000x gravity

where on gods green earth did u get that crap from

the only place in other world that has higher then normal gravity was north kais planet

grand kais planet and other world have the same gravity as earth does
thats how mr satan was able to survive their


so goku basically struggled with 40 tons before going super saiyan

at ssj3 goku could lift around 100 tons max

which is a joke compared to 200 quintillion tons supes lifts


#12 Posted by Erik (33040 posts) - - Show Bio

I will assume that most of you know what SA Superman is capable of so I wont even go into it. Team Superman in a really disappointing fight.

#13 Posted by King Saturn (224286 posts) - - Show Bio
erik said:
"I will assume that most of you know what SA Superman is capable of so I wont even go into it. Team Superman in a really disappointing fight."
And thats just Silver Age Superman... Kal Kent and Superman Prime 1,000,000 are even stronger than SA Superman...
#14 Posted by Hal_Jordan1986 (292 posts) - - Show Bio
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#15 Posted by Hal_Jordan1986 (292 posts) - - Show Bio
cpt_linger said:
"yeah but we're talkin about 1 entity here.

here's a rough example of what i mean

goku powerlevel - 1,000,000
vegeta powerlevel - 1,000,000
gogeta/vegeto powerlevel - 15,000,000

just through fusion they become soooo very much more powerful, so all those gokus fused together IMO would be the most unstoppable force. not even galactus, death or satan could stop him because he would be above even their magic/power.

Kal Kent and Prime could do it but i dont think through strength but rather through the mind."
that has to be the worst theory of dbz ive ever heard
#16 Posted by King Saturn (224286 posts) - - Show Bio
Team Superman has too much raw power on it... this fight wont last no time
#17 Posted by Ego (2324 posts) - - Show Bio
King Saturn said:
"Okay... but Ego how will this matter against Superman Prime of DC One Million who is totally Omnipotent ? His powers surpass even that of the 5th Dimensional Imps... what will Goku's speed give him against this massively powerful Superman being ?
"
well he won't.. goku would just lose.
#18 Posted by Hal_Jordan1986 (292 posts) - - Show Bio

any member of team supes could solo

#19 Posted by King Saturn (224286 posts) - - Show Bio
Hal_Jordan1986 said:
"any member of team supes could solo"
I think a few of them could solo the DBZ team... but not all of them
#20 Posted by Ego (2324 posts) - - Show Bio
cpt_linger said:
"yeah but we're talkin about 1 entity here.

here's a rough example of what i mean

goku powerlevel - 1,000,000
vegeta powerlevel - 1,000,000
gogeta/vegeto powerlevel - 15,000,000

just through fusion they become soooo very much more powerful, so all those gokus fused together IMO would be the most unstoppable force. not even galactus, death or satan could stop him because he would be above even their magic/power.

Kal Kent and Prime could do it but i dont think through strength but rather through the mind."

damn you got brains man lol
#21 Posted by Erik (33040 posts) - - Show Bio
Hal_Jordan1986 said:
"any member of team supes could solo"

Wrong as usual.
#22 Posted by Vance Astro (91262 posts) - - Show Bio
Hal_Jordan1986 said:
"any member of team supes could solo"
GTFOH.
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#23 Posted by King Saturn (224286 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Hal_Jordan1986 said:
"any member of team supes could solo"
GTFOH."
Ha Ha Ha  !
#24 Edited by The Man of Yesteryear (5502 posts) - - Show Bio
Hal_Jordan1986 said:
"any member of team supes could solo"
This is when the downrate feature should be used [ + ]  [ - ]
#25 Posted by King Saturn (224286 posts) - - Show Bio
The Man of Yesteryear said:
"Hal_Jordan1986 said:
"any member of team supes could solo"
This is when the downrate feature should be used [ + ]  [ - ]"
LOL


#26 Posted by Ego (2324 posts) - - Show Bio
Hal_Jordan1986 said:
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i hope you know superman is not lifting 200 quitrillion tons. he pushing 200 quitrillion tons using earth as leverage.

for prime example,.... hey hal do you have marvels??? any type of marvel ball would do.. anyways, if you do have a little marvel take aflat wooden board and ballence it on top of the marvel ball... now, step on the plank of wood. HA!! the marvel is between you and the ground.

you're thinking. how is this little marvel ball able to lift me up? well technichally it's not.. the ground is the one keeping you off the ground. not the marvel.


and as far as superman tossing planet. yes, he can do it. he can do it because mass doesn't weigh anything in space.

#27 Posted by Ego (2324 posts) - - Show Bio
King Saturn said:
"Team Superman has too much raw power on it... this fight wont last no time
"
raw power or raw strength?? i give raw strength to the superman team.. but the power has to go to the sayian people.
#28 Edited by The Man of Yesteryear (5502 posts) - - Show Bio
Ego said:
i hope you know superman is not lifting 200 quitrillion tons. he pushing 200 quitrillion tons using earth as leverage.
How so? It looks like he's shoulder pressing the equivalent of 200 quintillion tons with one arm.
#29 Posted by ulitmateninjagaidenx (2064 posts) - - Show Bio
the real winner.
don't matter goku would always beat that weak boring overrated superlame a$$
#30 Posted by Erik (33040 posts) - - Show Bio
Ego said:
"Hal_Jordan1986 said:
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i hope you know superman is not lifting 200 quitrillion tons. he pushing 200 quitrillion tons using earth as leverage.

for prime example,.... hey hal do you have marvels??? any type of marvel ball would do.. anyways, if you do have a little marvel take aflat wooden board and ballence it on top of the marvel ball... now, step on the plank of wood. HA!! the marvel is between you and the ground.

you're thinking. how is this little marvel ball able to lift me up? well technichally it's not.. the ground is the one keeping you off the ground. not the marvel.


and as far as superman tossing planet. yes, he can do it. he can do it because mass doesn't weigh anything in space.

"
There is no weight in space but mass is still a factor. For example, an average human could not hop out and push his ship with his thruster pack. Both human and ship are weightless, but they both still have mass.
#31 Posted by Ego (2324 posts) - - Show Bio
erik said:
"There is no weight in space but mass is still a factor. For example, an average human could not hop out and push his ship with his thruster pack. Both human and ship are weightless, but they both still have mass."
yes, however if the regular human has a thruster pack able to push him at sound speed or even light speed, then the regular human man can puch it.. of course since he doesn't have super durability he would smashed between the pack and a hard place, but the gaint mass would still move course. so in space strength is only a factor of how you keep your own mass together. strengh would not aplly in space. speed does. and since superman does have faster than light speed flight, all he needs to do is gentle place his hands on a giant rock in space and use light speed thrust to push it. (it doesn't necessarily have to be light speed) it can slow as a moving turtle too, but the point is his durability = keeping him from going splat PLUS thrust of some kind would move a giant mass no matter how big the mass is.
#32 Posted by Ego (2324 posts) - - Show Bio
Ego said:
"erik said:
"There is no weight in space but mass is still a factor. For example, an average human could not hop out and push his ship with his thruster pack. Both human and ship are weightless, but they both still have mass."
yes, however if the regular human has a thruster pack able to push him at sound speed or even light speed, then the regular human man can puch it.. of course since he doesn't have super durability he would smashed between the pack and a hard place, but the gaint mass would still move course. so in space strength is only a factor of how you keep your own mass together. strengh would not aplly in space. speed does. and since superman does have faster than light speed flight, all he needs to do is gentle place his hands on a giant rock in space and use light speed thrust to push it. (it doesn't necessarily have to be light speed) it can slow as a moving turtle too, but the point is his durability = keeping him from going splat PLUS thrust of some kind would move a giant mass no matter how big the mass is."

replace SPEED with FORCE and it makes more sence.
#33 Edited by The Man of Yesteryear (5502 posts) - - Show Bio
Ego said:
"erik said:
"There is no weight in space but mass is still a factor. For example, an average human could not hop out and push his ship with his thruster pack. Both human and ship are weightless, but they both still have mass."
yes, however if the regular human has a thruster pack able to push him at sound speed or even light speed, then the regular human man can puch it.. of course since he doesn't have super durability he would smashed between the pack and a hard place, but the gaint mass would still move course. so in space strength is only a factor of how you keep your own mass together. strengh would not aplly in space. speed does. and since superman does have faster than light speed flight, all he needs to do is gentle place his hands on a giant rock in space and use light speed thrust to push it. (it doesn't necessarily have to be light speed) it can slow as a moving turtle too, but the point is his durability = keeping him from going splat PLUS thrust of some kind would move a giant mass no matter how big the mass is."
It says he is pushing against the equivalent of 200 quintillion tons and he is shown shoulder pressing this weight with one arm. Please explain how this is not the same as lifting 200 quintillion tons.

I would agree with you if he was flying and pulling the weight, it would be more of a feat of durability.

But since he is shown standing on the ground and pressing this weight with one arm, I don't understand your theory.
#34 Posted by oldmagic (5295 posts) - - Show Bio
The Man of Yesteryear said:

Team Goku
Kid Goku 
Goku
SSJ1 Goku
SSJ2 Goku
SSJ3 Goku
SSJ4 Goku
"
wow....err, you do realize that all these goku's could just reach themselves to level 4 right? Then they all fuse and end the story of superman. End Thread. 
#35 Posted by Ego (2324 posts) - - Show Bio
The Man of Yesteryear said:
"Ego said:
"erik said:
"There is no weight in space but mass is still a factor. For example, an average human could not hop out and push his ship with his thruster pack. Both human and ship are weightless, but they both still have mass."
yes, however if the regular human has a thruster pack able to push him at sound speed or even light speed, then the regular human man can puch it.. of course since he doesn't have super durability he would smashed between the pack and a hard place, but the gaint mass would still move course. so in space strength is only a factor of how you keep your own mass together. strengh would not aplly in space. speed does. and since superman does have faster than light speed flight, all he needs to do is gentle place his hands on a giant rock in space and use light speed thrust to push it. (it doesn't necessarily have to be light speed) it can slow as a moving turtle too, but the point is his durability = keeping him from going splat PLUS thrust of some kind would move a giant mass no matter how big the mass is."
It says he is pushing against the equivalent of 200 quintillion tons and he is shown shoulder pressing this weight with one arm. Please explain how this is not the same as lifting 200 quintillion tons.

I would agree with you if he was flying and pulling the weight, it would be more of a feat of durability.

But since he is shown pressing it with one arm, I don't understand your theory."
go to the street and step and balence on a marvel or a soft ball. the balls apear to be lifting you up. but that's not the case. the ground is the one keeping you off the gound.




#36 Posted by The Man of Yesteryear (5502 posts) - - Show Bio
Ego said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"Ego said:
"erik said:
"There is no weight in space but mass is still a factor. For example, an average human could not hop out and push his ship with his thruster pack. Both human and ship are weightless, but they both still have mass."
yes, however if the regular human has a thruster pack able to push him at sound speed or even light speed, then the regular human man can puch it.. of course since he doesn't have super durability he would smashed between the pack and a hard place, but the gaint mass would still move course. so in space strength is only a factor of how you keep your own mass together. strengh would not aplly in space. speed does. and since superman does have faster than light speed flight, all he needs to do is gentle place his hands on a giant rock in space and use light speed thrust to push it. (it doesn't necessarily have to be light speed) it can slow as a moving turtle too, but the point is his durability = keeping him from going splat PLUS thrust of some kind would move a giant mass no matter how big the mass is."
It says he is pushing against the equivalent of 200 quintillion tons and he is shown shoulder pressing this weight with one arm. Please explain how this is not the same as lifting 200 quintillion tons.

I would agree with you if he was flying and pulling the weight, it would be more of a feat of durability.

But since he is shown pressing it with one arm, I don't understand your theory."
go to the street and step and balence on a marvel or a soft ball. the balls apear to be lifting you up. but that's not the case. the ground is the one keeping you off the gound.




"
But Superman was not simply holding the weight up, he is shown pushing it up with one arm.
#37 Posted by The Man of Yesteryear (5502 posts) - - Show Bio
oldmagic said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
Team Goku
Kid Goku 
Goku
SSJ1 Goku
SSJ2 Goku
SSJ3 Goku
SSJ4 Goku
"
wow....err, you do realize that all these goku's could just reach themselves to level 4 right? Then they all fuse and end the story of superman. End Thread. "
  Are you aware of how powerful the versions of Superman being used in this battle are?
#38 Posted by Vance Astro (91262 posts) - - Show Bio

Team Superman

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#39 Posted by Erik (33040 posts) - - Show Bio

Well I was just countering your theory that just because something doesn't have weight in space, it is easier to push. That is not the case.

#40 Posted by oldmagic (5295 posts) - - Show Bio
The Man of Yesteryear said:
"oldmagic said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
Team Goku
Kid Goku 
Goku
SSJ1 Goku
SSJ2 Goku
SSJ3 Goku
SSJ4 Goku
"
wow....err, you do realize that all these goku's could just reach themselves to level 4 right? Then they all fuse and end the story of superman. End Thread. "
  Are you aware of how powerful the versions of Superman being used in this battle are?"
Very much aware. Did you know that Jenamba Goku fought against could have destroyed the universe quite easily? Or did you know that his reality warping powers were effecting the entire universe of creation it self? Goku won that at ssj3. But thats besides the point. I know quite aware of who these guys are fighting. 
#41 Posted by The Man of Yesteryear (5502 posts) - - Show Bio
oldmagic said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"oldmagic said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
Team Goku
Kid Goku 
Goku
SSJ1 Goku
SSJ2 Goku
SSJ3 Goku
SSJ4 Goku
"
wow....err, you do realize that all these goku's could just reach themselves to level 4 right? Then they all fuse and end the story of superman. End Thread. "
  Are you aware of how powerful the versions of Superman being used in this battle are?"
Very much aware. Did you know that Jenamba Goku fought against could have destroyed the universe quite easily? Or did you know that his reality warping powers were effecting the entire universe of creation it self? Goku won that at ssj3. But thats besides the point. I know quite aware of who these guys are fighting. "
5D powers trump Janemba's reality warping abilities.
#42 Posted by Vance Astro (91262 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Team Superman"
Moderator
#43 Posted by oldmagic (5295 posts) - - Show Bio
The Man of Yesteryear said:
"oldmagic said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"oldmagic said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
Team Goku
Kid Goku 
Goku
SSJ1 Goku
SSJ2 Goku
SSJ3 Goku
SSJ4 Goku
"
wow....err, you do realize that all these goku's could just reach themselves to level 4 right? Then they all fuse and end the story of superman. End Thread. "
  Are you aware of how powerful the versions of Superman being used in this battle are?"
Very much aware. Did you know that Jenamba Goku fought against could have destroyed the universe quite easily? Or did you know that his reality warping powers were effecting the entire universe of creation it self? Goku won that at ssj3. But thats besides the point. I know quite aware of who these guys are fighting. "
5D powers trump Janemba's reality warping abilities."
Yes well...when a being is effecting everything within the name of "Creation" it self, that says allot. But seeing as this is a Goku vs Superman thread...i'm not even gonna bother debating. 
#44 Posted by King Saturn (224286 posts) - - Show Bio
Ego said:
"King Saturn said:
"Team Superman has too much raw power on it... this fight wont last no time
"
raw power or raw strength?? i give raw strength to the superman team.. but the power has to go to the sayian people."
I actually think Team Superman has the raw power advantage too... I mean what limits do Kal Kent and Superman Prime 1,000,000 have ?
#45 Posted by Perfect Cell (3470 posts) - - Show Bio
The Man of Yesteryear said:
"oldmagic said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"oldmagic said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
Team Goku
Kid Goku 
Goku
SSJ1 Goku
SSJ2 Goku
SSJ3 Goku
SSJ4 Goku
"
wow....err, you do realize that all these goku's could just reach themselves to level 4 right? Then they all fuse and end the story of superman. End Thread. "
  Are you aware of how powerful the versions of Superman being used in this battle are?"
Very much aware. Did you know that Jenamba Goku fought against could have destroyed the universe quite easily? Or did you know that his reality warping powers were effecting the entire universe of creation it self? Goku won that at ssj3. But thats besides the point. I know quite aware of who these guys are fighting. "
5D powers trump Janemba's reality warping abilities."

Janamba's powers are 4th dimensional. Power of the 5th Dimension implies that you're statement is comparing Superman to God. So Superman's powers are 5 Dimensional? Can Superman = God or the OAA? Keep in mind that entities such as White Crown Phoenix and Eternity are 4th dimension beings with 4th dimensional powers. Even the Living Tribunal is a 4th Dimensional being wich only has a portion of 5th dimensional powers. So how is a mere 3rd dimensional being like Superman able to be equal to God?


#46 Posted by King Saturn (224286 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Team Superman"
And the truth is said
#47 Edited by The Man of Yesteryear (5502 posts) - - Show Bio
Perfect Cell said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
5D powers trump Janemba's reality warping abilities."
Janamba's powers are 4th dimensional. Power of the 5th Dimension implies that you're statement is comparing Superman to God. So Superman's powers are 5 Dimensional? Can Superman = God or the OAA? Keep in mind that entities such as White Crown Phoenix and Eternity are 4th dimension beings with 4th dimensional powers. Even the Living Tribunal is a 4th Dimensional being wich only has a portion of 5th dimensional powers. So how is a mere 3rd dimensional being like Superman able to be equal to God?
Living Tribunal 4th dimensional!? TOAA 4th Dimensional?!! Are you f*cking kidding me!?! Please tell me where you came up with this ridiculous theory.

Kal Kent and Superman Prime 1000000 have 5th dimensional powers like Mr. Mxyzptlk, but they are nowhere near the LT or OAA...
#48 Posted by Perfect Cell (3470 posts) - - Show Bio
King Saturn said:
"Ego said:
"King Saturn said:
"Team Superman has too much raw power on it... this fight wont last no time
"
raw power or raw strength?? i give raw strength to the superman team.. but the power has to go to the sayian people."
I actually think Team Superman has the raw power advantage too... I mean what limits do Kal Kent and Superman Prime 1,000,000 have ? "

Can Superman Prime 1 Million create worlds? Can Superman Prime 1 Million create a Universe? Can Superman Prime 1 Million be a Master of Magnetism? Can Superman Prime grant wishes? He has no such power. All of Superman's powers are 3rd dimensional and mostly granted by his psychical aspect other than anything else. He can not do what Onsluaght does nor can he do what Phoenix can. 3D is Superman.

#49 Posted by King Saturn (224286 posts) - - Show Bio
The Man of Yesteryear said:
"Perfect Cell said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
5D powers trump Janemba's reality warping abilities."
Janamba's powers are 4th dimensional. Power of the 5th Dimension implies that you're statement is comparing Superman to God. So Superman's powers are 5 Dimensional? Can Superman = God or the OAA? Keep in mind that entities such as White Crown Phoenix and Eternity are 4th dimension beings with 4th dimensional powers. Even the Living Tribunal is a 4th Dimensional being wich only has a portion of 5th dimensional powers. So how is a mere 3rd dimensional being like Superman able to be equal to God?
Living Tribunal 4th dimensional!? TOAA 4th Dimensional?!! Are you f*cking kidding me!?! Please tell me where you came up with this ridiculous theory.

Kal Kent and Superman Prime 1000000 have 5th dimensional powers like Mr. Mxyzptlk, but they are nowhere near the LT or OAA..."
I think you are right Man of Yesteryear
#50 Posted by inferiorego (25694 posts) - - Show Bio

Is this even fair? Anime characters have no limits to their powers

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