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#1 Edited by OmegaDynasty (9199 posts) - - Show Bio

 



Doctor Doom




Batman stands over the fallen Hush.




vs


 
 
Thanos 
Dr.Doom 
Lex Luthor 
Batman
Mr.Fantastic
Iron Man 
Vril Dox
 
vs 
  
Lucifer Morningstar 
 
 
Location: DCU(Vertigoverse) 
  
 
Could anyone from team one, or as a team together be able to beat Lucifer the Morningstar with enough prep? 
 
 
Rules: 
Lucifer doesn't have his wings.
Team prepers has as much prep as they need.  
Since this is DC/Vertigo IG and HOTU don't work(Obviously.) 
 

Can Team Prepers pull at a win?
#2 Posted by Susanoo (5868 posts) - - Show Bio

I highly doubt it... actually no. They won't be able to defeat him.
#3 Posted by _Courage_ (1180 posts) - - Show Bio

Doctor Doom did steal the Beyonder's power...
#4 Posted by TheCerealKillz (10234 posts) - - Show Bio

Add:
 
Vril Drox
Dexter 
 
 
Probably two of the most smartest chracter I know
Remove:
 Ironman
 Batman
 
Really? I know they are prep kings, but against the others they are nothing.

#5 Posted by Susanoo (5868 posts) - - Show Bio
@_Courage_ said:
"Doctor Doom did steal the Beyonder's power... "

Lucifer has 2 things that the Beyonder didn't though... Imdominible willpower and the abilty to reason with anyone and make them do anything.
#6 Posted by OmegaDynasty (9199 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheCerealKillz said:
" Add:  Vril Drox Dexter     Probably two of the most smartest chracter I knowRemove:  Ironman  Batman  Really? I know they are prep kings, but against the others they are nothing. "
Haha, you have a point. Although, Dexter has toonforce going for him as well..being a cartoon and all. lol
#7 Posted by Sexy Merc (41971 posts) - - Show Bio

They don't stand a chance.

#8 Posted by Wyldsong (5898 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sexy Merc said:
" They don't stand a chance. "
This right here.
#9 Posted by _Courage_ (1180 posts) - - Show Bio
@Susanoo said:
"@_Courage_ said:
"Doctor Doom did steal the Beyonder's power... "
Lucifer has 2 things that the Beyonder didn't though... Imdominible willpower and the abilty to reason with anyone and make them do anything. "

That is true, but I was more referring to the power levels of the two characters. If Doom or the team came up with something and Lucy couldn't use these techniques or had no choice in the matter, the team would succeed, hence the reference to Beyonder.
#10 Posted by OmegaDynasty (9199 posts) - - Show Bio
@_Courage_ said:
" @Susanoo said:
"@_Courage_ said:
"Doctor Doom did steal the Beyonder's power... "
Lucifer has 2 things that the Beyonder didn't though... Imdominible willpower and the abilty to reason with anyone and make them do anything. "
That is true, but I was more referring to the power levels of the two characters. If Doom or the team came up with something and Lucy couldn't use these techniques or had no choice in the matter, the team would succeed, hence the reference to Beyonder. "
Despite Beyonder's powers he really seem like the sharpest tool in the shed to me. Unlike Lucifer, perhaps it's the way that he carried himself.
#11 Posted by Susanoo (5868 posts) - - Show Bio
@_Courage_ said:
"@Susanoo said:
"@_Courage_ said:
"Doctor Doom did steal the Beyonder's power... "
Lucifer has 2 things that the Beyonder didn't though... Imdominible willpower and the abilty to reason with anyone and make them do anything. "
That is true, but I was more referring to the power levels of the two characters. If Doom or the team came up with something and Lucy couldn't use these techniques or had no choice in the matter, the team would succeed, hence the reference to Beyonder. "

Doesn't Lucifer carry some Omniscience with him or something?
#12 Posted by OmegaDynasty (9199 posts) - - Show Bio
@Susanoo said:
" @_Courage_ said:
"@Susanoo said:
"@_Courage_ said:
"Doctor Doom did steal the Beyonder's power... "
Lucifer has 2 things that the Beyonder didn't though... Imdominible willpower and the abilty to reason with anyone and make them do anything. "
That is true, but I was more referring to the power levels of the two characters. If Doom or the team came up with something and Lucy couldn't use these techniques or had no choice in the matter, the team would succeed, hence the reference to Beyonder. "
Doesn't Lucifer carry some Omniscience with him or something? "
He, might? I think he has semi-Omnisciene not sure what all that includes. Although, might take that out of battle or else this would be pointless. XD
#13 Posted by Susanoo (5868 posts) - - Show Bio
@OmegaDynasty said:
" @Susanoo said:
" @_Courage_ said:
"@Susanoo said:
"@_Courage_ said:
"Doctor Doom did steal the Beyonder's power... "
Lucifer has 2 things that the Beyonder didn't though... Imdominible willpower and the abilty to reason with anyone and make them do anything. "
That is true, but I was more referring to the power levels of the two characters. If Doom or the team came up with something and Lucy couldn't use these techniques or had no choice in the matter, the team would succeed, hence the reference to Beyonder. "
Doesn't Lucifer carry some Omniscience with him or something? "
He, might? I think he has semi-Omnisciene not sure what all that includes. Although, might take that out of battle or else this would be pointless. XD "

Haha yeah. I believe that will affect his power of reasoning as well as other areas as well.
#14 Posted by OmegaDynasty (9199 posts) - - Show Bio
@Susanoo said:
" @OmegaDynasty said:
" @Susanoo said:
" @_Courage_ said:
"@Susanoo said:
"@_Courage_ said:
"Doctor Doom did steal the Beyonder's power... "
Lucifer has 2 things that the Beyonder didn't though... Imdominible willpower and the abilty to reason with anyone and make them do anything. "
That is true, but I was more referring to the power levels of the two characters. If Doom or the team came up with something and Lucy couldn't use these techniques or had no choice in the matter, the team would succeed, hence the reference to Beyonder. "
Doesn't Lucifer carry some Omniscience with him or something? "
He, might? I think he has semi-Omnisciene not sure what all that includes. Although, might take that out of battle or else this would be pointless. XD "
Haha yeah. I believe that will affect his power of reasoning as well as other areas as well. "
Well, not really. Perhaps I should take his wings away to make it a little more fair. That, and he has outsmarted gods before while a human and without omniscience. Although, not all gods are that smart. 
#15 Posted by Susanoo (5868 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmm i probably would give it to the team then if u take his wings off.
#16 Posted by Wyldsong (5898 posts) - - Show Bio

Also remember that even Death of the Endless has no claim on Lucifer...well, at least that's what Lucifer said=P

#17 Posted by OmegaDynasty (9199 posts) - - Show Bio
@Wyldsong said:
" Also remember that even Death of the Endless has no claim on Lucifer...well, at least that's what Lucifer said=P "
Haha, yes that is true. They could possibly kill him if they could make him mortal. Lucifer if the type that plays by the rules and then beats the person at their own game. That is why he doesn't just go into other gods domains and burn them alive. He could have done so to the Japanese Pantheon, I mean Skyfathers, and lessers gods vs the angel that created the suns and helped create DC's Multi-verse, yet he left his powers at the door and used his mind. Although, like I mentioned most gods aren't that wise.
#18 Posted by OblivionKnight (3347 posts) - - Show Bio
@OmegaDynasty:
He knows how the universe/reality works since he created it himself. So, if you want to call that a form of omniscience, then sure.
They can't win. 
#19 Posted by _Courage_ (1180 posts) - - Show Bio
@OmegaDynasty said:
" @_Courage_ said:
" @Susanoo said:
"@_Courage_ said:
"Doctor Doom did steal the Beyonder's power... "
Lucifer has 2 things that the Beyonder didn't though... Imdominible willpower and the abilty to reason with anyone and make them do anything. "
That is true, but I was more referring to the power levels of the two characters. If Doom or the team came up with something and Lucy couldn't use these techniques or had no choice in the matter, the team would succeed, hence the reference to Beyonder. "
Despite Beyonder's powers he really seem like the sharpest tool in the shed to me. Unlike Lucifer, perhaps it's the way that he carried himself. "

Beyonder's intelligence is nothing compared to that of Lucifer's. I was just trying to bring up the point that if someone like Beyonder could have their powers stripped, Lucifer's could be stripped as well. I'm not saying this is likely to happen, however, because it is definitely not.
#20 Posted by chriconz123 (582 posts) - - Show Bio

/facepalm

#21 Posted by Saren (25117 posts) - - Show Bio

Yup, zero chances.

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#22 Posted by Primebonnick (2952 posts) - - Show Bio

an even if joker or Dr Strange was added they still lose Lucifer knows how to read anyone no matter how smart, insane or powerful they are.

#23 Edited by staphin (206 posts) - - Show Bio

lucfier is said to god smarts and beautiful creation so he wins

#24 Posted by Scoop316 (165 posts) - - Show Bio

Add The Doctor and John Constantine then I'd say the team has a chance. Remember Lucifer doesn't have his wings here, he'd have to rely solely on his words and manipulation to stop them. Basically, if the team can keep his mouth shut they could win.

#25 Posted by Baron_von_Santa (4868 posts) - - Show Bio

@scoop316: keep his mouth shut? i do not mean to sound like a fanboy, but he can beat them easily. here: http://www.comicvine.com/lucifer-morningstar/4005-24232/forums/dread-lord-and-new-52-lucifer-respect-thread-1514774/#13

#26 Posted by BladeNB (187 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos, Doom, and Richards could possibly pull something off with enough prep... Say about 2 weeks to a month

#27 Edited by Bronze_Surfer (2986 posts) - - Show Bio

Without wings he loses. With them it would take Beyonder Doom or HOTU Thanos to win

#28 Edited by XiiX (9474 posts) - - Show Bio

@bronze_surfer said:

Without wings he loses. With them it would take Beyonder Doom or HOTU Thanos to win

It's something of a misconception that him not having his wings affects his(Lucifer's) power-levels. His wings are for traversing dimensions and realms he otherwise wouldn't be able to AKA transportation.

He's just as powerful without them.

#29 Posted by Baron_von_Santa (4868 posts) - - Show Bio

@bronze_surfer: nope, his most fearsome power is not his will, or reality bending, it is his mind. he is the ultimate manipulator. it is hard to find so powerful a being, normally it is like, the guy is going to be either really smart, or ridiculously powerful. the dread lord is both.

http://www.comicvine.com/lucifer-morningstar/4005-24232/forums/dread-lord-and-new-52-lucifer-respect-thread-1514774/#13

and for the record, beyonder is kind of retarded, lucifer will easily trick him. and if the HOTU only gives omnipotence, not omniscience, then lucifer wins too. not by power, but again by his intellect

#30 Edited by Milliardo (343 posts) - - Show Bio

Welp. Batman + prep time = Win

#31 Posted by NotATreeABush (1372 posts) - - Show Bio

Chew force Batman solos

Otherwise team gets destroyed

#32 Edited by MysticMedivh (5443 posts) - - Show Bio

Chew force Batman solos

Otherwise team gets destroyed

#33 Posted by TheComedian_ (913 posts) - - Show Bio
#34 Edited by Artyom (3314 posts) - - Show Bio

Lucifer doesn't even use his powers, he simply tricks them into committing suicide.

#35 Posted by starheart_alan_scott999 (128 posts) - - Show Bio

you forgot john constantine and lucy will kill them all with ease

#36 Posted by GhostRider2 (3619 posts) - - Show Bio

Morningstar erases.

#37 Posted by Artyom (3314 posts) - - Show Bio

You could literally give the team a millenium of prep and Lucy would win 10/10

#38 Posted by Saint_Sophie (2132 posts) - - Show Bio

Their only chance is to pray to Batgod for help..

#39 Posted by Imperator_Nocturne (358 posts) - - Show Bio

i´m just imagine all those work together and prepare something really big, while lucifer watch them from a far and does nothing. then the day of the battle is come and Lucifer blows up their universe, then he laughs like a mad man :D

#40 Edited by XiiX (9474 posts) - - Show Bio

@imperator_nocturne said:

Lucifer blows up their universe, then he laughs like a mad man :D

Actually it'd be far more in character for him to simply adjust his tie, take a sip from his champagne/wine-glass, and casually continue whatever he was doing beforehand.

Lucifer doesn't give a sh!t, haha.

#41 Edited by Jmarshmallow (10546 posts) - - Show Bio

Lucifer stomps them.

Lack of John Constatine in this thread...disturbs me..

Jmarshmallow

#42 Edited by GhostRider2 (3619 posts) - - Show Bio

i´m just imagine all those work together and prepare something really big, while lucifer watch them from a far and does nothing. then the day of the battle is come and Lucifer blows up their universe, then he laughs like a mad man :D

Like this

#43 Posted by TheGrayGhost (1448 posts) - - Show Bio

@omegadynasty: why would something like say the original gauntlet not work in DCU?

That being said, without something on the scale of the gauntlet, they don't stand a chance

#44 Edited by XiiX (9474 posts) - - Show Bio

@thegrayghost:People have a tendency of believing so due to this instance.

#45 Posted by TheGrayGhost (1448 posts) - - Show Bio

@xiix: well a) thats non canon ( for marvel) and b) the gauntlet had already been retconned at this point to " one in each universe and does not work outside its home universe" iirc though still some way away from the modern day " may explode from trying to move a single planet" version

That being said , the original gauntlet worked just fine everywhere, specific examples being the ultraverse and Magus merging two separate universes with a thought from the incomplete gauntlet. .....while he himself is in a completely different universe

#46 Edited by Johnfrank120 (2926 posts) - - Show Bio
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#47 Posted by starheart_alan_scott999 (128 posts) - - Show Bio

Add constantine

#48 Posted by Baron_von_Santa (4868 posts) - - Show Bio

@starheart_alan_scott999: Lucifer without his wings is still a formidable foe physically, and if he decides to fight, he still would be formidable

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/lucifer-morningstar-1755/lucifer-morningstar-respect-thread-1514774/

But that is useless when he's facing someone like Thanos, who can slap his brain out of his head. And I doubt he would be foolish enough to use physical power.

His mind is literally the greatest barring omniscients, but here, I really don't know whether he'll win or not. These are pretty powerful preppers and minds, the greatest, so for now, I think lucifer loses.

#49 Posted by Baron_von_Santa (4868 posts) - - Show Bio

@starheart_alan_scott999: Wait, no. Lucifer wins. I just went over his comics and remembered what he'd done. I shouldn't have forgotten, but its been a while since I debated for him.

#50 Posted by Ultragreenboy (3061 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman out-wills him.