@pokeysteve: Good GRIEF, your futile attempts to lowball Donna Troy are simultaneously tedious and hysterical. Wonder Girl DOES have impressive feats, and your playing the old, tired, worn out "dilute/deny/dismiss" game with them won't change that, even if you extend this thread for the next 1,000 pages. More on this point momentarily, but first---
A person doesn't need "superhuman strength and/or speed" to upend, unbalance, or otherwise affect an, on paper, superior foe if said person has the proper skills. Captain America has upended The Hulk on more than one occasion using judo and leverage; The Black Panther has temporarily incapacitated Luke Cage using pressure points; Black Widow flipped Typhon, a giant, arch foe of Hercules who is around the same strength/durability level as the Olympian. These are just a few examples that illustrate your "logic" in asserting that the extremely skilled Cheshire needs "superhuman strength and speed" to take on Troy OR Starfire is ABYSMALLY false.
There are many, MANY beings in both the DC AND Marvel universes that, whether they "hit Etrigan from behind" or loudly announced beforehand their intentions to strike him don't have the strength and power to affect him one iota, much less enough to get him into a position to be subdued; THAT is the point you willfully look past in your inexplicable zeal to dilute, dismiss and deny anything Troy does to its lowest interpretation.
Regarding Artemis and Cassie,this brings it back home to my earlier point regarding skills vs power. Artemis was not embarrassed only because she "hates to lose"; she is legitimately a superbly skilled warrior (so skilled in fact that she got the better of Batman in H2H; after putting him on his back and straddling him (no jokes, please) as she, going against orders, whipped out a blade deciding it "would be better to just kill him and be done with it", Batman had to surreptitiously shoot her with a tranquilizer dart to "win"). It was NOT primarily Cassie's superior strength that allowed her to-in that instance-get the better of Artemis; if great strength was the only factor, then Supergirl-who's strength and power DWARFS Cassie's-would not have been repeatedly put on her a$$ by Artemis (at one point prompting an over protective Superman to grab the Amazon by the throat and yank her off of Kara). It was the COMBINATION of Cassie's well learned skills (via Artemis) as well as the strength. (As a sidebar, I would point out that this dynamic plays itself out in Wonder Woman's battles with Supergirl and Powergirl-even though the two rival Diana in strength, the COMBINATION of the Amazon's strength and superior combat acumen allows Diana to win-often surprsingly handily). Yet, for all that, Donna defeated Cassie in one move (showing her skill), Starfire consistently outshone Donna (showcasing Kory's skill) and Cheshire outshone Kory (hilighting the ASSASSIN'S skill). Your willfully ignoring that displays how formidable Cheshire is is regrettable, but ultimately irrelevant.
I appreciate your conceding the Superwoman matter. Doing that, in fact, is the one thing that showed me continuing to respond to you was worthwhile, that you can be reasonable, and that you are not the totally LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU type of poster I was beginning to think you were. I wish you would take the concession further, though---Donna getting the better of an Amazon that is Wonder Woman's Earth Three COUNTERPART is, right there MORE than enough proof that Troy is formidable---
Not to mention, while outraged and somewhat bloodlusted soloing the Fearsome Five, a Supervillian team that once stalemated the combined forces of The New Teen Titans and Batman And The Outsiders SIMULTANEOUSLY!
Your interpretation of the Donna/Diana battle is a TEXTBOOK illustration of lowballing. Because you "feel" that Troy is sub par, anything she did against Diana that denotes formidable prowess you dilute/deny/dismiss it as "not legit" or "luck". Newsflash: a woman that, when not holding back can solo The Fearsome Five or get the better of Superwoman (among other feats) is NOT some kind of scrub that has to get "lucky" to do well against Wonder Woman. If someone who you felt was "worthy" had bloodied and battered Diana in a similar fashion you'd be hailing them; since it's Troy, you bias makes you debase the battle to "Troy just got a few lucky swings in".
Whatever.
Due to Diana's superlative skills, many beings-even those blessed with an array of incredible powers-have not been able to do nearly as well against her (ask the girls Super and Power about that). It is not my "fondness" for Troy (which, actually, I don't have any excessive amount for) that makes me state these things---just stats, facts, feats and logic. Whether I "like" a character or not has no bearing on who I say wins a battle or how formidable I state they are (as examples, I LOVE Lady Shiva, but I think she would lose to Black Panther due to his nearly as good combat skills and superior physicals, and though Nightwing is one of my ALL TIME FAVES, I say he loses to Bronze Tiger in a STRICTLY Hand To Hand fight). Get it now? "Fondness"-or lack thereof-has NOTHING to do with my decisions (I don't/can't enjoy any "victories" I feel are unwarranted by facts).
Finally, claiming Donna isn't in Canary or Elektra's league is laughable. Saying Starfire isn't is laugh out loud, guffaw worthy. I am tempted to list her feats, but seeing as how you appear to be prone to willfully ignoring feats to stick with a result you decide on, it's probably not worth it. Well, to test this out I'll mention a couple-she won a battle tournament on Paradise Island against their best warriors (sans Diana who was away) prompting a spectating Queen Hippolyta to speculate that she'd do well against Diana herself (I think if anyone is qualified to discuss such a thing with authoritative knowledge it would be Diana's Mom); and in a one on one battle with Slade, seeming to get the better of him and kill him (but his armor apparently saved him from a kill-blast). Cheshire, by contrast, avoided every Kory attempt at striking or blasting the assassin, her speed and triple jointed maneuvers completely confounding Kory. As stated before, it is undeniably impressive what Dinah did to Cheshire-but things might change in subsequent bouts (just as they changed in subsequent Superman/Doomsday bouts, or, going back to Nightwing, even though Slade batted Grayson around rather easily during his teen Robin years, the more experienced, mid twenties Grayson now gives the mercenary all he can handle in their subsequent battles).
I am glad you stated that you "don't think Elektra's stomps her really"---that's some progress. But the whole "Donna and Kory are sub par, and Cheshire is SOOOOOOO far beneath Elektra" thing has got to go.
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