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#1 Edited by Strider92 (18044 posts) - - Show Bio

Hobgoblin (Phil Urich) and Hobgoblin (Jason Macendale)

-Morals apply (to everyone)

-Standard gear

-Goblins have been training together for 5 months

-No Prep

-Jason is post-cybernetic enhancement

-Random encounter

Location:

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Round 1: Red Hood and Nightwing

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Round 2: Ravager, Deathstorke, Red Robin

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Round 3: Wolverine, Cyclops, Beast

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Round 4: Green Goblin (Norman Osborn), Hobgoblin (Kingsley), Spider-man (Reilly)

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Round 5: Kaine (Classic), Spider-man (Parker) with Stealth suit

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How far do the two strongest Hobgoblins get?

#2 Posted by Stronger (5051 posts) - - Show Bio

They stop at 2 or 3 definatelly.

#3 Posted by Strider92 (18044 posts) - - Show Bio

@Stronger: Hmm really?

Both these Hobogoblin's have wrecked Spider-man and one of them has a sonic scream. I think they could definitely get to round 3.

#4 Posted by Stronger (5051 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92: I think team X-men can take them.

#5 Posted by jeanroygrant (20442 posts) - - Show Bio

@Stronger said:

They stop at 2 or 3 definatelly.

#6 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12360 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 5.

#7 Posted by jameshebrew (771 posts) - - Show Bio

stops at 2, allthough 1 would be a challenge even for them

#8 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12360 posts) - - Show Bio

@jameshebrew: @jeanroygrant: @Stronger: No way in hell does it stop at two. Phil's scream should be more than enough to take out Deathstroke and his flunkies.

#9 Posted by jameshebrew (771 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomoushatred1001: completely disagree

#10 Edited by jeanroygrant (20442 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomoushatred1001 said:

@jameshebrew: @jeanroygrant: @Stronger: No way in hell does it stop at two. Phil's scream should be more than enough to take out Deathstroke and his flunkies.

True, but he should stop at 3.

#11 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12360 posts) - - Show Bio

@jameshebrew said:

@venomoushatred1001: completely disagree

Explain.

#12 Posted by jameshebrew (771 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomoushatred1001: no way phills scream is going to solo these characters

the prep factor is in heavy favor of team 2

#13 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12360 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

@venomoushatred1001 said:

@jameshebrew: @jeanroygrant: @Stronger: No way in hell does it stop at two. Phil's scream should be more than enough to take out Deathstroke and his flunkies.

True, but he should stop at 3.

Who on team 3 can stop them. Cyclops will fall to Phil's scream before he can use his optic blast. Wolvie and Beast would also fall.

#14 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12360 posts) - - Show Bio

@jameshebrew said:

@venomoushatred1001: no way phills scream is going to solo these characters

the prep factor is in heavy favor of team 2

Team 2 doesn't get prep and they have no way of beating either of the Goblins.

#15 Posted by jameshebrew (771 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomoushatred1001: your putting too much emphisis on this scream without providing evidence of its efectivness,, even if it does stun 1 of them thats not a sure kill DS and ravager are very crafty enemys and robin is a master in his own field..if it were only 2 of them id give it to the goblins but not like this never like this

#16 Edited by jashro44 (30287 posts) - - Show Bio
@jameshebrew said:

@venomoushatred1001: your putting too much emphisis on this scream without providing evidence of its efectivness,, even if it does stun 1 of them thats not a sure kill DS and ravager are very crafty enemys and robin is a master in his own field..if it were only 2 of them id give it to the goblins but not like this never like this

 The scream is very effective.
#17 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12360 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@jameshebrew said:

@venomoushatred1001: your putting too much emphisis on this scream without providing evidence of its efectivness,, even if it does stun 1 of them thats not a sure kill DS and ravager are very crafty enemys and robin is a master in his own field..if it were only 2 of them id give it to the goblins but not like this never like this

The scream is very effective.

Thank you.

#18 Posted by jashro44 (30287 posts) - - Show Bio
@venomoushatred1001: No problem.
#19 Posted by jameshebrew (771 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomoushatred1001: yeah thats a good example of its power but was going on before he used it or after for that matter what was the context

also again theres 3 of them not 1..and im willing to bet that DS range> than that of the scream

#20 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12360 posts) - - Show Bio

@jameshebrew said:

@venomoushatred1001: yeah thats a good example of its power but was going on before he used it or after for that matter what was the context

also again theres 3 of them not 1..and im willing to bet that DS range> than that of the scream

Hob Gob's scream is radical. it would take all three out at the same time.

#21 Posted by jameshebrew (771 posts) - - Show Bio

thats redulouse...

theres no way it can reach out to the lengths a rifle can!

#22 Posted by Alex_Grey (15 posts) - - Show Bio

@Stronger said:

They stop at 2 or 3 definatelly.

#23 Posted by Skaddix (3111 posts) - - Show Bio

They lose at 3. Hob does his scream and cyke takes off his visor.

#24 Posted by Strider92 (18044 posts) - - Show Bio

@jameshebrew: Macendale is no joke either. He completely Roflstomped Spider-man:

#25 Posted by Stronger (5051 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomoushatred1001: Deathstroke is no joke....I can see them ending up with a bullet in their heads.He has plenty of gadgets also.

#26 Edited by venomoushatred1001 (12360 posts) - - Show Bio

@Stronger said:e

@venomoushatred1001: Deathstroke is no joke....I can see them ending up with a bullet in their heads.He has plenty of gadgets also.

Not before they're rendered unconsciousness by Phil's scream.

#27 Posted by jameshebrew (771 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomoushatred1001: again, you put to much trust in to the scream

#28 Edited by venomoushatred1001 (12360 posts) - - Show Bio

@jameshebrew said:

@venomoushatred1001: again, you put to much trust in to the scream

And yet you've given me 0 proof that anyone on team 2 could overcome it.

#29 Posted by jameshebrew (771 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomoushatred1001: its from a different universe so there is only speculation,, besides i allready said DS rifle>scream

#30 Edited by venomoushatred1001 (12360 posts) - - Show Bio

@jameshebrew said:

@venomoushatred1001: its from a different universe so there is only speculation,, besides i allready said DS rifle>scream

Are you serious? Just because they are from different universes doesn't mean it wouldn't effect them. That is like me saying that its speculation that Superman can kill Spider-Man because they are from different universes. Fail -___-

Also, Hob Gob has faster reflexes than DS so he will most likey effect him before he can pull the trigger. Not to mention Goblins have healing factors and body armor on so a gun will be less than effective.

#31 Posted by jashro44 (30287 posts) - - Show Bio
@jameshebrew said:

@venomoushatred1001: its from a different universe so there is only speculation,, besides i allready said DS rifle>scream

A rifle isn't even standered gear for pre 52 slade let alone current slade...
#32 Posted by jameshebrew (771 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomoushatred1001: no you idiot thats not what i mean! im saying that power doesnt exist in dc universe so we cant provide scans of them withstanding it we can only speculate how it will effect them..he has faster reflexes? lets see some proof..besides the speed of his sonic breath or what ever is the speed of sound,, where as bullets can travel much faster than the speed of sound...lets not forget they out number them by1, and if they want to get in close than ds and Ravager will cut them to pieces

#33 Posted by jameshebrew (771 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: any fire arm is sufficient

#34 Posted by jashro44 (30287 posts) - - Show Bio
@jameshebrew said:

@venomoushatred1001: no you idiot thats not what i mean! im saying that power doesnt exist in dc universe so we cant provide scans of them withstanding it we can only speculate how it will effect them..he has faster reflexes? lets see some proof..besides the speed of his sonic breath or what ever is the speed of sound,, where as bullets can travel much faster than the speed of sound...lets not forget they out number them by1, and if they want to get in close than ds and Ravager will cut them to pieces

If he hasn't resisted an attack like that we assume he can't. Do you have scans of the scream not working? You have no proof backing your argument.  He has no counter for the scream he loses its that simple.  They will be subdued by the scream to get decapitated.
#35 Posted by jameshebrew (771 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: its not if he can resist it, i dont even believe it will come to him using that attack...how will he hit all 3 targets with that attack, some1 said its radical..meaning it goes everywhere if thats the case he would be hitting his own teamate with it also. the attack is not practical here and is discounted..promitheus>than hobgoblin armor also

#36 Posted by jashro44 (30287 posts) - - Show Bio
@jameshebrew said:

@jashro44: its not if he can resist it, i dont even believe it will come to him using that attack...how will he hit all 3 targets with that attack, some1 said its radical..meaning it goes everywhere if thats the case he would be hitting his own teamate with it also. the attack is not practical here and is discounted..promitheus>than hobgoblin armor also

Phil isn't going to care for his partner. He only has to use the scream long enough to subdue deathstroke long enough to behead him.
#37 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12360 posts) - - Show Bio

@jameshebrew said:

@venomoushatred1001: no you idiot thats not what i mean! im saying that power doesnt exist in dc universe so we cant provide scans of them withstanding it we can only speculate how it will effect them..he has faster reflexes? lets see some proof..besides the speed of his sonic breath or what ever is the speed of sound,, where as bullets can travel much faster than the speed of sound...lets not forget they out number them by1, and if they want to get in close than ds and Ravager will cut them to pieces

Flagged.

#38 Posted by jameshebrew (771 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomoushatred1001: learn to read and deduce a scenario than

#39 Posted by jameshebrew (771 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: you cant say that with certainty..therefore its negated,, anyone can just say stuff

#40 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12360 posts) - - Show Bio

@jameshebrew said:

@venomoushatred1001: learn to read and deduce a scenario than

Learn not to insult Viners in a debate, then.

#41 Posted by jashro44 (30287 posts) - - Show Bio
@jameshebrew said:

@jashro44: you cant say that with certainty..therefore its negated,, anyone can just say stuff

He all ready used it on spider-man and in the process killed hand ninjas that were on his side in amazing spider-man 651. However there is also the option that macandale can fly out of range of the scream and let phil use the scream. They have 5 months to train so I don't see why they wouldn't use this strategy.
#42 Posted by (((Prodigy))) (2520 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think I can see them getting past team 4. But, if they do, they're going to get straight-up wrecked at 5.

#43 Posted by Dark_Vengeance_ (15329 posts) - - Show Bio

They stop at 2

#44 Posted by jameshebrew (771 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomoushatred1001: its hard when your dealing with incompetence

#45 Posted by jameshebrew (771 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: they have 5 months to train, not prepare. op says random encounter. your line of reasoning is terrible and depends on them just standing around taking it..look around nearly everyone agrees they stop at 2 or 3

#46 Edited by venomoushatred1001 (12360 posts) - - Show Bio

@DarkKnightDetective said:

They stop at 2

They most certainly do not.

@jameshebrew said:

@venomoushatred1001: its hard when your dealing with incompetence

Whatevs, troll.

#47 Posted by jashro44 (30287 posts) - - Show Bio
@jameshebrew said:

@jashro44: they have 5 months to train, not prepare. op says random encounter. your line of reasoning is terrible and depends on them just standing around taking it..look around nearly everyone agrees they stop at 2 or 3

Training is practicing together, I see no reason why they wouldn't practice finding a way for phil to use the scream without it effecting his partner. I couldn't care less what the majority says. No one has provided a reason who has said they stop at 2.
#48 Posted by jameshebrew (771 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: you see no reason why they wouldn't but you cant prove that they would either-disproved.

assuming everyone else is wrong and your the only one right is a sign of being a psychopath

#49 Posted by jameshebrew (771 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomoushatred1001: your a grundle bundle

#50 Posted by jashro44 (30287 posts) - - Show Bio
@jameshebrew said:

@jashro44: you see no reason why they wouldn't but you cant prove that they would either-disproved.

assuming everyone else is wrong and your the only one right is a sign of being a psychopath

I thought of it in 1 minute I see no reason why they wouldn't use there training time to give phil access to his biggest asset considering it is there most valuable asset. 
 
I don't care what the majority says unless they provide reasoning. I will try and look at there point of view but I wont just agree just because I'm out numbered. That never works when you are asked why. And weren't you the one person arguing superman would beat silver surfer? I don't see how disagreeing with the majority makes me a psycho...