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- Win by Incapacitation/Knock out
- In character
- Start 50 metres apart
- Standard equipment/gear
- No prep or knowledge.
- Artemis/Tigress & Arrow have unlimited arrows
- MM can only use telepathy to co-ordinate her team.
Team CW vs Young Justice(Animated series)
@nicksmi56 said:
First off, Superboy took two lightning strikes from Mr. Twister after already being tossed around in a lengthy fight. He wasn't one-shotted by any stretch of the imagination. Where are you getting this info from?
Second, you're discounting sooo many things. Black Canary laid out Connor because she has way superior fighting experience, the same reason Batman is able to hang with people way above his weight class. And she only knocked him down anyway.
Barry isn't laying anyone out in one punch. Both the Oliver Queen and Everyman fights prove that. His damage output is pathetic. I love the show, but it's true. Barry is faster, but Wally is better at using his speed in combat, which is the area Barry is severely lacking in. Yes, Wally has been tagged by normal people before, but they've been trained professionals, whereas Barry has gotten slapped around by Everyman, who has absolutely no special skills apart from shapeshifting. That, and Wally can take much more punishment than Barry can, even taking a full hit from Blockbuster and still being able to run at full speed afterwards. Barry got pistol whipped by Everyman and was out for hours.
Not to mention that your plan is still relying on Barry going after Wally first.
Third, you're completely discounting teamwork. The fight you're referring to happened in the second episode in the team's first real fight as a team. In this fight, Young Justice has been a team for years and know how to work with one another, while the CW Team is a bunch of randomly thrown together individuals. That counts for a LOT.
He was incapacitated by a mere gust of wind and was later one shotted by a lightning strike, something which Weather Wizard can easily replicate.
Which is what I said? If Black Canary can floor his ass, why cant Deathstroke?
You should re-watch Wally's fights. His actual H2H "close quarters' fighting is normal human levels and his combat speed is subpar. Barry can do everything he can do and more and doesn't have multiple drawbacks weighing him down. He is vastly faster, doesn't have to accelerate and decelerate and doesn't get tired. Barry perceives everything frozen. They are about even in H2H but on whole, but Baary is too fast. Not to mention, he can phase. Wally was tagged by everything. You name it.
Well, in these kinds of thread, you meant to assume that both teams have good team work by default
@pyronite7 said:
@nicksmi56 said:
First off, Superboy took two lightning strikes from Mr. Twister after already being tossed around in a lengthy fight. He wasn't one-shotted by any stretch of the imagination. Where are you getting this info from?
Second, you're discounting sooo many things. Black Canary laid out Connor because she has way superior fighting experience, the same reason Batman is able to hang with people way above his weight class. And she only knocked him down anyway.
Barry isn't laying anyone out in one punch. Both the Oliver Queen and Everyman fights prove that. His damage output is pathetic. I love the show, but it's true. Barry is faster, but Wally is better at using his speed in combat, which is the area Barry is severely lacking in. Yes, Wally has been tagged by normal people before, but they've been trained professionals, whereas Barry has gotten slapped around by Everyman, who has absolutely no special skills apart from shapeshifting. That, and Wally can take much more punishment than Barry can, even taking a full hit from Blockbuster and still being able to run at full speed afterwards. Barry got pistol whipped by Everyman and was out for hours.
Not to mention that your plan is still relying on Barry going after Wally first.
Third, you're completely discounting teamwork. The fight you're referring to happened in the second episode in the team's first real fight as a team. In this fight, Young Justice has been a team for years and know how to work with one another, while the CW Team is a bunch of randomly thrown together individuals. That counts for a LOT.
He was incapacitated by a mere gust of wind and was later one shotted by a lightning strike, something which Weather Wizard can easily replicate.
Which is what I said? If Black Canary can floor his ass, why cant Deathstroke?
You should re-watch Wally's fights. His actual H2H "close quarters' fighting is normal human levels and his combat speed is subpar. Barry can do everything he can do and more and doesn't have multiple drawbacks weighing him down. He is vastly faster, doesn't have to accelerate and decelerate and doesn't get tired. Barry perceives everything frozen. They are about even in H2H but on whole, but Baary is too fast. Not to mention, he can phase. Wally was tagged by everything. You name it.
Well, in these kinds of thread, you meant to assume that both teams have good team work by default
Getting knocked down for a bit and getting back up within the same fight =/= incapacitated.
And getting knocked down =/= a win. Especially with a half-Kryptonian.
Barry doesn't go top speed from the outset, otherwise he wouldn't need that more than 5 mile start up for the sonic punch. Barry also can't phase consistently. He did it once while being coached through it under extreme circumstances. He doesn't do it in combat, same way he can't go through time at will.
And you were talking like Barry was gonna one-shot Wally and go on his merry way. About even I can accept, but Wally still takes it due to better durability and striking feats. Of course this is all still assuming they go for each other at the outset.
I prefer to take things based on how they actually happened. The OP doesn't say perfect teamwork like others do. And even when in a high-stakes situation against Reverse Flash, Barry and Ollie, who have worked together before, still had bad teamwork, with Barry consistently being in the way of Ollie's shot.
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