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#1 Edited by MonsterStomp (21433 posts) - - Show Bio

Team Cap: Captain America, Daredevil, Winter Soldier, Wolverine, Taskmaster and Black Panther

Team Bats: Batman, Deathstroke, Prometheus, Bronze Tiger, Cassandra Cain, Connor Hawke

Round One

  • In character
  • Hand to hand only (no gadgets, no claws, no shield, no weapons etc)
  • Classic versions for Team Cap
  • Pre-52 versions for Team Bats
  • Fight starts 50 meters apart on an empty city block (No cars, no people). Broad daylight.
  • Win via knock out, incapacitation, or surrender. No killing!

Round Two

  • In character
  • Standard equipment
  • Classic versions for Team Cap
  • Pre-52 versions for Team Bats
  • Fight starts 50 meters apart on a city block. Broad daylight.
  • Win via knock out, incapacitation or surrender. No killing!

Round Three

  • In character
  • Standard equipment
  • 12 hours preparation
  • Classic versions for Team Cap
  • Pre-52 versions for Team Bats
  • Fight starts 50 meters apart on a populated city block. Relatively dark, only traffic, street and building lights light the street.
  • Win via knock out, incapacitation or kill.

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Should be interesting, got a good mix of strong and moderate level fighters. Who wins and why?

#2 Posted by Wolverine08 (45982 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm leaning towards Team DC in round 1. While Black Panther, Captain America, Wolverine, and Daredevil are all arguably THE most skilled fighter in the Marvel U, Elektra to an extent, and especially Hawkeye are weak links.

The combined firepower of Panther, Wolverine, and Cap should be enough for Team Marvel to edge out round 2.

In round 3 Team Marvel has two master strategists in Cap and Black Panther, and Team DC has their own master strategists in Deathstroke and Batman. Giving the slight edge to team DC here.

#3 Posted by mikesterman (943 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08

I'm leaning towards Team DC in round 1. While Black Panther, Captain America, Wolverine, and Daredevil are all arguably THE most skilled fighter in the Marvel U, Elektra to an extent, and especially Hawkeye are weak links.

The combined firepower of Panther, Wolverine, and Cap should be enough for Team Marvel to edge out round 2.

In round 3 Team Marvel has two master strategists in Cap and Black Panther, and Team DC has their own master strategists in Deathstroke and Batman. Giving the slight edge to team DC here.

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#4 Edited by Cable_Extreme (10024 posts) - - Show Bio

The marvel team looks to have weak links to a higher extent than does the DC team. The Marvel's strongest assetts are Wolverine, Black Panther, and Captain America. While DC is fairly consistent with top tier fighters.

Round one- I see Team Bats having trouble taking out Wolverine, however, I believe DC as a whole will be able to take out everyone on team Marvel and then group up to take out Wolverine.

Round two- Panther and Wolverine have the most effective weapons out of everyone. While team DC, Some people have promethium weapons, gadgets, guns, blasting staffs ect. I think team DC has a ranged edge, while Team Marvel has a CC edge. But since Wolverine and Black panther aren't allowed to kill this round, I think Team Dc wins via shooting in non vital regions. Or Deathstroke's blasting staff to be set on stun.

Round three- Black Panther is pretty much the only guy on Marvel team that could relatively match the prepping feats that DC team has. Though Deathstroke and Batman together would be easily more effective than Black panther. Yes, Cap is good at developing strategies, but he has no really good prepping feats, or at least enough to put him on Black panthers, or Batmans level.

#5 Posted by Fan_Not_Fanboy (84 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm leaning towards Team DC in round 1. While Black Panther, Captain America, Wolverine, and Daredevil are all arguably THE most skilled fighter in the Marvel U, Elektra to an extent, and especially Hawkeye are weak links.

The combined firepower of Panther, Wolverine, and Cap should be enough for Team Marvel to edge out round 2.

In round 3 Team Marvel has two master strategists in Cap and Black Panther, and Team DC has their own master strategists in Deathstroke and Batman. Giving the slight edge to team DC here.

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#6 Posted by dondave (38982 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm leaning towards Team DC in round 1. While Black Panther, Captain America, Wolverine, and Daredevil are all arguably THE most skilled fighter in the Marvel U, Elektra to an extent, and especially Hawkeye are weak links.

The combined firepower of Panther, Wolverine, and Cap should be enough for Team Marvel to edge out round 2.

In round 3 Team Marvel has two master strategists in Cap and Black Panther, and Team DC has their own master strategists in Deathstroke and Batman. Giving the slight edge to team DC here.

Agreed

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#7 Edited by Shawnbaby (10871 posts) - - Show Bio

DC team seems a little stacked compared to Marvel

Should replace Elektra and Hawkeye with Bucky and Taskmaster.

#8 Posted by MonsterStomp (21433 posts) - - Show Bio
#9 Posted by utkanflash (492 posts) - - Show Bio

DC on each rounds
ı cant see how Marvel crew beat them up..They cant

DC has 3 extremelly smart strategists Batman,Prometheus and Deathstroke
DC has 4 extremelly better martial artist Cass Cain, Batman, Bronze Tiger and Deathstroke
DC has 2 long range specialist Connor and Slade also Batman on Mid range !?!

Mutants and Black Panthers a real thread on dc the others not much !!!

Team Batman win eventually

#10 Posted by RBT (5035 posts) - - Show Bio

@utkanflash: When you're picking out good martial artists, never forget Connor. Dude is almost as good as Batman.

#11 Edited by MonsterStomp (21433 posts) - - Show Bio
#12 Edited by Saren (25465 posts) - - Show Bio

People seem to be forgetting Prometheus and how utterly ridiculous his prep abilities are.

Then again, the stipulation about no gear is puzzling. Prometheus without his gear is unremarkable.

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#13 Posted by 106me (1864 posts) - - Show Bio

@monsterstomp: Before I make an answer, define "street brawl" in the context of this fight. I know what a street brawl is, but I have a feeling it's going to be different than a real life street brawl (AKA street fight).

#14 Edited by Jmarshmallow (10546 posts) - - Show Bio

Team DC takes Rounds 1 and 3, Team Marvel takes Round 2.

But this is ridiculously close. These characters are perfect for each other.

Cap=Bats.

Daredevil=Connor Hawke.

Winter Soldier=Prometheus.

Wolverine=Bronze Tiger.

Taskmaster=Cain.

And Black Panther=Deathstroke.

Absolutely wonderful matchup.

Jmarshmallow

#15 Posted by johnny_blaze (1161 posts) - - Show Bio

Team Marvel, not even debatable.

#16 Posted by MaximumGeyser5 (584 posts) - - Show Bio

Team Marvel for me
Black Panther and Captain America along with Winter Soldier have this with Prep, besides Cap was a front-line soldier and Colonel so he's probably good with Prep, know Black Panther hands down will take care of every one he is definitely smarter than Batman, and who cares if Deathstroke can use "90 percent of his Brain" yet he barely uses it. I don't See Deathstroke cracking codes, running the country, solving murders, he just kills like an assassin so that 90 percent of his brain doesn't count if not used correctly and Black Panther has Vibranium and he is definitely more Agile than Deathstroke and will cut his Sword to Pieces and Taskmaster is already gonna be a problem. need i say more Marvel Has this

#17 Posted by utkanflash (492 posts) - - Show Bio

Taskmaster=Cain.

And Black Panther=Deathstroke.

ohh c'mooonnn ?!?!? How ?!? Maybe Taskmaster yes but BP=DS Cmon !!

#18 Posted by Jmarshmallow (10546 posts) - - Show Bio

@utkanflash: Whaaaaaaats the matter with that?!?!?

They're both superhuman, they are both excellent fighters, they are both some of the best tacticians in their respective universes. And on top of it all, they both have nigh-indestructible armor! Well, Panther might not have his vibranium armor anymore. But you get what I mean.

Jmarshmallow

#19 Posted by Wolverine08 (45982 posts) - - Show Bio

@jmarshmallow said:

Taskmaster=Cain.

And Black Panther=Deathstroke.

ohh c'mooonnn ?!?!? How ?!? Maybe Taskmaster yes but BP=DS Cmon !!

Black Panther would take a majority over Slade in a fight.....I'm guessing you don't know much about Panther? Do you?

#20 Edited by MaximumGeyser5 (584 posts) - - Show Bio

@utkanflash said:

@jmarshmallow said:

Taskmaster=Cain.

And Black Panther=Deathstroke.

ohh c'mooonnn ?!?!? How ?!? Maybe Taskmaster yes but BP=DS Cmon !!

Black Panther would take a majority over Slade in a fight.....I'm guessing you don't know much about Panther? Do you?

Yeah for Real Though marvel has this, they got a Team that can do this. Everyone on the Team Especially Black Panther and Cap can take on 2 or more of the opposing team

#21 Posted by Pokeysteve (8777 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1 should go to DC. Slade will KO whomever he fights before anyone else unless he goes against Logan.

Round 2 I can see DC taking mainly because of Prometheus.

Round 3 I don't like. I hate prep battles. I'd lean towards DC because they have three SOLID preppers as opposed to one on the Marvel side.

Great fights. Extremely debatable.

#22 Posted by MaximumGeyser5 (584 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1 should go to DC. Slade will KO whomever he fights before anyone else unless he goes against Logan.

Round 2 I can see DC taking mainly because of Prometheus.

Round 3 I don't like. I hate prep battles. I'd lean towards DC because they have three SOLID preppers as opposed to one on the Marvel side.

Great fights. Extremely debatable.

if its Great Fight, then why does DC take all three rounds huh?

#23 Edited by darkbeam (2564 posts) - - Show Bio

@maximumgeyser5: do you even know who Connor Hawke,Cassandra Cain.or Bronze Tiger are?

#24 Edited by Pokeysteve (8777 posts) - - Show Bio

@maximumgeyser5 said:

@pokeysteve said:

Round 1 should go to DC. Slade will KO whomever he fights before anyone else unless he goes against Logan.

Round 2 I can see DC taking mainly because of Prometheus.

Round 3 I don't like. I hate prep battles. I'd lean towards DC because they have three SOLID preppers as opposed to one on the Marvel side.

Great fights. Extremely debatable.

if its Great Fight, then why does DC take all three rounds huh?

Because that is my opinion. I'm more well versed on the DC characters and have a better understanding of what they're capable of. Of the two weak links, Connor and Task, I think Connor is the better. Task will be beaten by Cass' speed and move reading. Slade's stats. Batman's intelligence. It's a great fight because it sort of comes down to who fights whom at the start.

#25 Posted by Wolverine08 (45982 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1 should go to DC. Slade will KO whomever he fights before anyone else unless he goes against Logan.

Round 2 I can see DC taking mainly because of Prometheus.

Round 3 I don't like. I hate prep battles. I'd lean towards DC because they have three SOLID preppers as opposed to one on the Marvel side.

Great fights. Extremely debatable.

I don't see Slade k'oing Panther.

#26 Posted by darkbeam (2564 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: I don't think Slade has he's Nth armor so I say stalemate .

#27 Edited by MaximumGeyser5 (584 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkbeam said:

@maximumgeyser5: do you even know who Connor Hawke,Cassandra Cain.or Bronze Tiger are?

sup amigo and no i know Cassandra Cain was a Batgirl or something and Connor hawke was like Green Arrows protege and bronze tiger i know nothing about

#28 Posted by Ddecourt (803 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: Marvel

Round 2: DC

Round 3: Marvel

#29 Posted by adhd_assassin (532 posts) - - Show Bio

im going dc, marvel, marvel

#30 Posted by darkbeam (2564 posts) - - Show Bio

@maximumgeyser5: well their all pretty tough you should look at some of their respect threads or some of their charecter profiles here on comic vine.But Cap or T'Challa are not taking on 2 or more not saying Dc wins just saying it could go either way.

#31 Posted by Jmarshmallow (10546 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: I'm not saying BP wouldn't take the majority...I'm just saying that they're very similar in their abilities...which is true.

If you disagree, maybe you just don't know much about Deathstroke?

Jmarshmallow

#32 Edited by Pokeysteve (8777 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't see Slade k'oing Panther.

Wouldn't classic Panther and pre 52 Wilson be close in stats and ability? Slade should have the edge in speed and reaction time right? I'm more familiar with Slade than Panther.

#33 Edited by darkbeam (2564 posts) - - Show Bio

@jmarshmallow: isn't Slade stronger Because of he's enhancements? He's said to have the strength of 10 men.

#34 Edited by Wolverine08 (45982 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokeysteve said:

@wolverine08 said:

I don't see Slade k'oing Panther.

Wouldn't classic Panther and pre 52 Wilson be close in stats and ability? Slade should have the edge in speed and reaction time right? I'm more familiar with Slade than Panther.

Classic Panther has stopped an elephant's charge, bulldozed and broke a 2 ton rhino's neck, blew off Red Skull's (a man enhanced by the Super Solider Serum to have physicals and durability similar to Captain America's) jaw with two punches, tipped over a water mill just by tensing his muscles, ran up a building holding a grown man by his hair in less than ten seconds, etc. I would actually give Panther the edge in strength. And I don't think Slade outclasses Panther in speed/reaction time either considering that he's caught Spider-Man off guard with his speed, flabbergasted Sabretooth with his speed, hit Cyclops in the face before his optic blast could go off, deflected energy daggers easily, caught an arrow shot at him without turning around, threw three punches in the time it takes people to throw one, etc.

I also would give Panther the slight edge in fighting skill due to him knowing all the fighting styles in the world, having been trained since the age of six, and beating/stalemating the Marvel U's best fighters like Captain America, Wolverine, Iron Fist, Shang Chi, Daredevil, in pure H2H combat.

#35 Posted by Jmarshmallow (10546 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkbeam: @pokeysteve: Honestly, we don't know how powerful/fast/etc. the new King of the Dead Black Panther is. His new upgrade hasn't been fully showcased yet.

Jmarshmallow

#36 Edited by MonsterStomp (21433 posts) - - Show Bio

@106me said:

@monsterstomp: Before I make an answer, define "street brawl" in the context of this fight. I know what a street brawl is, but I have a feeling it's going to be different than a real life street brawl (AKA street fight).

A brawl, on the streets! :P

There are three different rounds, you pick a definition :D

#37 Posted by jojjimbo (2463 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: Marvel

Round 2: Marvel

Round 3: DC

#38 Posted by Wolverine08 (45982 posts) - - Show Bio

With current teams shown here, I'd go

Round 1: Team Marvel

Round 2: Team Marvel

Round 3: Team DC

#39 Posted by MonsterStomp (21433 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: Its still pre-52 and classic, lol. If it was current, Prometheus, Tiger, Hawke and Cain are all featless, it'd be a stomp of a stomp.

#40 Posted by Jmarshmallow (10546 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: "...beating/stalemating the Marvel U's best fighters like Captain America, Wolverine, Iron Fist, Shang Chi, Daredevil, in pure H2H combat."

I feel like you use this argument for each and every one of those characters, and you just switch them around depending on who you're arguing for.

Like before, it was "I think Cap is equal to Bats because he has beaten/stalemated the Marvel U's best fighters like Black Panther, Wolverine, Iron Fist, Shang Chi, and Daredevil."

Obviously, these people know each other too well. They know each others fighting techniques, and their strengths and weaknesses.

Not trying to be rude, but listing off that same thing every time is getting repetitive to be totally honest.

But what do I know.

Jmarshmallow

#41 Posted by Wolverine08 (45982 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: "...beating/stalemating the Marvel U's best fighters like Captain America, Wolverine, Iron Fist, Shang Chi, Daredevil, in pure H2H combat."

I feel like you use this argument for each and every one of those characters, and you just switch them around depending on who you're arguing for.

Like before, it was "I think Cap is equal to Bats because he has beaten/stalemated the Marvel U's best fighters like Black Panther, Wolverine, Iron Fist, Shang Chi, and Daredevil."

Obviously, these people know each other too well. They know each others fighting techniques, and their strengths and weaknesses.

Not trying to be rude, but listing off that same thing every time is getting repetitive to be totally honest.

But what do I know.

Jmarshmallow

Most of the best fighters in Marvel like Panther, Captain America, Wolverine, Daredevil, Iron Fist, Shang Chi, etc. have fought and stalemated each other before. It's nothing new.

#42 Posted by Jmarshmallow (10546 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: Exactly. So you should stop bringing it up like its suddenly an impressive feat lol.

Jmarshmallow

#43 Posted by Wolverine08 (45982 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: Exactly. So you should stop bringing it up like its suddenly an impressive feat lol.

Jmarshmallow

By that logic, we shouldn't bring up Batman beating/stalemating DC's best fighters like Lady Shiva, Bane, Bronze Tiger, Prometheous, Cassandra Cain, Deathstroke, etc. because they've all met and fought each other multiple times.

#44 Posted by Joygirl (19985 posts) - - Show Bio

Team Batman

#45 Posted by MonsterStomp (21433 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: To be fair, the only reason Batman beat Prometheus is because he messed with his helmet, lol. I don't recall Batman beating Prom in a straight up fight.

#46 Posted by Jmarshmallow (10546 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: We really shouldn't, not when dealing with characters from a completely different universe.

We really don't know how a fight between Cap and Karate Kid would go, because it hasn't happened.

However, I can use the fights with those other characters to showcase the skill of KK and Cap, not the fight itself.

Like the fact that Cap has "stalemated/beaten Daredevil" doesn't really matter at this point, because KK isn't Daredevil. But the fights against Daredevil HAVE shown that Cap is vulnerable against pressure points. Sooo, if Karate Kid knew how to use pressure points, it would be a valuable asset he'd have against Cap. That's just an example, so do get too caught up in that.

Again, it's not the fight that matters, it's what you learn about the characters from those fights that matter.

So saying(many, many times mind you) that because one character has beaten other characters is pointless, unless you say WHY that even matters.

I'm sorry if that's a little unclear, I'm tired. If you really want I'll go into depth into it tomorrow. Not like you actually want to though lol.

Jmarshmallow

#47 Posted by Wolverine08 (45982 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: We really shouldn't, not when dealing with characters from a completely different universe.

We really don't know how a fight between Cap and Karate Kid would go, because it hasn't happened.

However, I can use the fights with those other characters to showcase the skill of KK and Cap, not the fight itself.

Like the fact that Cap has "stalemated/beaten Daredevil" doesn't really matter at this point, because KK isn't Daredevil. But the fights against Daredevil HAVE shown that Cap is vulnerable against pressure points. Sooo, if Karate Kid knew how to use pressure points, it would be a valuable asset he'd have against Cap. That's just an example, so do get too caught up in that.

Again, it's not the fight that matters, it's what you learn about the characters from those fights that matter.

So saying(many, many times mind you) that because one character has beaten other characters is pointless, unless you say WHY that even matters.

I'm sorry if that's a little unclear, I'm tired. If you really want I'll go into depth into it tomorrow. Not like you actually want to though lol.

Jmarshmallow

If you can beat the best fighters in your respective universe, you can most likely keep up with the best fighters in another universe. That's the general rule of thumb around here with fights between DC and Marvel characters. Don't get what's hard to understand about that.

#48 Posted by Pokeysteve (8777 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokeysteve said:

@wolverine08 said:

I don't see Slade k'oing Panther.

Wouldn't classic Panther and pre 52 Wilson be close in stats and ability? Slade should have the edge in speed and reaction time right? I'm more familiar with Slade than Panther.

Classic Panther has stopped an elephant's charge, bulldozed and broke a 2 ton rhino's neck, blew off Red Skull's (a man enhanced by the Super Solider Serum to have physicals and durability similar to Captain America's) jaw with two punches, tipped over a water mill just by tensing his muscles, ran up a building holding a grown man by his hair in less than ten seconds, etc. I would actually give Panther the edge in strength. And I don't think Slade outclasses Panther in speed/reaction time either considering that he's caught Spider-Man off guard with his speed, flabbergasted Sabretooth with his speed, hit Cyclops in the face before his optic blast could go off, deflected energy daggers easily, caught an arrow shot at him without turning around, threw punches in the time it takes people to throw one, etc.

I also would give Panther the slight edge in fighting skill due to him knowing all the fighting styles in the world, having been trained since the age of six, and beating/stalemating the Marvel U's best fighters like Captain America, Wolverine, Iron Fist, Shang Chi, Daredevil, in pure H2H combat.

Whoa...

#49 Edited by Wolverine08 (45982 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokeysteve:

Haha! Panther is a beastly street leveler, but most people don't seem to know how dangerous he is due to him not being very popular. Glad I could educate you about the King of Wakanda! Lol.

#50 Posted by Cable_Extreme (10024 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08 said:

@pokeysteve said:

@wolverine08 said:

I don't see Slade k'oing Panther.

Wouldn't classic Panther and pre 52 Wilson be close in stats and ability? Slade should have the edge in speed and reaction time right? I'm more familiar with Slade than Panther.

Classic Panther has stopped an elephant's charge, bulldozed and broke a 2 ton rhino's neck, blew off Red Skull's (a man enhanced by the Super Solider Serum to have physicals and durability similar to Captain America's) jaw with two punches, tipped over a water mill just by tensing his muscles, ran up a building holding a grown man by his hair in less than ten seconds, etc. I would actually give Panther the edge in strength. And I don't think Slade outclasses Panther in speed/reaction time either considering that he's caught Spider-Man off guard with his speed, flabbergasted Sabretooth with his speed, hit Cyclops in the face before his optic blast could go off, deflected energy daggers easily, caught an arrow shot at him without turning around, threw punches in the time it takes people to throw one, etc.

I also would give Panther the slight edge in fighting skill due to him knowing all the fighting styles in the world, having been trained since the age of six, and beating/stalemating the Marvel U's best fighters like Captain America, Wolverine, Iron Fist, Shang Chi, Daredevil, in pure H2H combat.

Whoa...

Deathstroke has defeated and verse some of the best DC fighters. And his reflexes easily match that of Black Panthers. (Pre-52)