Team Aizen/Yamamoto VS JL/Avengers (Read)

Well lets see:

Team:

Aizen and Yamamoto plus every single member of the soul society.

The marine from One piece come to help the bleach side.

VS

JL/Avengers:

Martian manhunter, Zatanna, Wonder woman, Green lantern (Hal), Flash (Wally), Superman, Captain Marvel, Batman, Captain atom, Aquaman, Hulk, Scarlet witch, Thor, Sentry and Iron man.

Rules:

Post crisis versions.

Composite versions for the bleach team.

Morals on.

In-character.

@jeepeh

@carter_esque

The only person on team 2 that couldn't solo is batman

Spite you must don't like Bleach

Morals on, Aizen hypnotizes, Yamamoto kills with Bankai. Over. And if this is every one from soul society then you would have hundreds to thousands of soul reapers. Soul Crush everyone but Diana and scarlet witch(?) And cut the souls in half, Gin can cut a city in half in like .08 seconds or some crazy crap like that. If you want an even fight you should limit the Bleach team's spiritual powers, and even then Aizen's hypnotics are going to f you up.

@ssj3gohan007 Don't you agree?

Superheroes for the win.

Who in Bleach is gonna even...?

Screw it. Yolo swag 420 blaze it.

@albertphytagoras: @jeepeh: its a good team for the JL/Avengers but every single member of Soul Society is tough to beat seeing how we could bring up Shinji and his upside down world, Rukia now has absolute zero bankai similar to Captain Cold for the Flash, and Soul Society even has healers like Hachi and Isane. And if letter of the law, all of Soul Society would also the dead Fullbringers which include Tsukishima now with his bookmark sword.Thats dangerous

Scarlet Witch is definitely dangerous here as always.

@albertphytagoras said:

What do you mean by Composite?

When people make those kind of statements that usually means they know very little about Bleach and how it works.

Pretty much. With Morals on, it puts a disadvantage on the Comic Heroes. People like Superman are going to be holding back and will try to avoid killing his opponents at any cost. While Bleach characters like Aizen are not going to be affected in the least because their evil to begin with. Plus almost none of the Bleach characters hesitate fighting and killing their opponents even the good guys.

Now lets move onto Powers, EVEN IF you disable the intangibility and seeing, hearing, and touching spirits thing. He would still be undefeatable because of this: Once anyone sees his Shikai, it's over. Their permanently under his power, he will control everyones 5 senses and make them see, hear, taste, touch, and smell whatever he wants. You could be looking at a swamp and think your looking at a beautiful meadow full of flowers, etc.

What is going to end up happening is the superheroes will think they killed or defeated Aizen only to find out they killed their own teammate.

I am going to be posting scan of what it means to fight Aizen.

Team 2.

MMH turns their minds into jelly. The rest of his team just chills back.

JLA/Avengers Stomp

They will Stomp each other, not the Bleach characters because of Aizen's Shikai.

He will turn his teammates minds into Jelly, thinking he got the enemy.

Why do you think so?

@ssj3gohan007: Aizen's shikai has nothingon MMH's telepathy. He connects mind to mind directly, no need for senses manipulation.

@ssj3gohan007: Aizen controls a person's five senses (sight, hearing, touch, smell, and taste). MMH can telepathically distinguish them. Also, it takes the characters witnessing him use his Shikai for it to work. MMH could kill them in an instant.

@ssj3gohan007:

What is going to end up happening is the superheroes will think they killed or defeated Aizen only to find out they killed their own teammate.

Ahh, a true Aizen fan like myself

@starrk01: A similar effect is Fantomex's misdirection vs Jean and Xavier. The mind reality is predicated on what the senses and nerves sending to brain allow it

Now all you have to do is see Aizen and its KS.

If MMH was capable of killing that many people in a instant then he could have Solo'd every enemy the Justice League ever encountered, but that's not what happens, is it? Plus read the OP: Morals are on and it's in-character. If he doesn't regularly do this kind of thing, then it cant be used.

@ssj3gohan007: He would most definitely kill Aizen off the bat. He's usually against telepathically killing, but he does what's necessary for his comtades survival. Even if he doesn't, he can negate the effects of Kyoka Suigetsu with his telepathy. Soul Society stands no chance at all.

Morals On and In character prevent the Justice League/Avengers from stomping

@ssj3gohan007: Martian can put him to sleep.

@ssj3gohan007:

Aizen absorbed Kyoka Suigetsu. Where before you had to see the sword its now you have to just see Aizen

You said it yourself, he's "usually" against telepathic killing. So the chances of him starting off this battle with such a tactic are almost nil. "He does what's necessary" yeah but its not yet "necessary" at the very start of the battle when he doesn't know what kind of threat the Bleach characters pose. Enough time will have to pass until he realizes that his teammates are in serious danger. Perhaps he will consider it at some point in the match, but I seriously doubt he will do it on the word "Go"

How can he negate Kyouka Suigetsu with telepathy. It's a Zanpaktou, a soul cutter. A spiritual blade. There is absolutely no evidence that he could do such a thing to KS, or that its even possible. If you truly believe, post evidence.

Edit: MMH won't even know that Aizen has such power, there is no prep time or before-hand knowledge.

That's a weird argument. He's going to kill him with morals on before he knows anyone's going to die? You can't stop hypnotics with telepathy, how does that make sense? They can't even see them, hit them, and they'd die or get weak just from being near them. Hundreds upon hundreds of soul reapers. Plus Yamamoto has flames as hot as the sun. Just seeing Yamamoto is going to reduce John to a whimpering husk on the floor.

@jeepeh: "Flames as hot as the sun". Superman bathes in the sun. MMH would have no problem controlling Aizen to use his abilities on his own team.

@ssj3gohan007: No, he would take Aizen out the second he realizes he's making his allies fight each other. Also, MMH can use his telepathy to allow his allies to see the enemy. Telepathy can be used to cast illusions like Kyoka Suigetsu, except Aizen has no control over the mind.

Exactly! Only I would correct you that its as hot as the CORE of the sun, otherwise people would assume surface of the sun and that's a HUGE difference. Yama's Bankai is: 15,000,000 Kelvin or 27,000,000 degrees Fahrenheit. He could make his entire body that temperature, and his Bankai's aura alone could destroy a planet and evaporate all water, etc.

You can't even punch the guy without dying. He is like the Sun ITSELF!

The problem being I said MMH would be hurt by the fire, I didn't say anything about Superman. But this is magical fire so it would hurt much more than the normal sun would and it wouldn't be giving Superman the energy to endure to the heat due to not being solar based. Telepathy will not help when he's already under Aizen's control and thinking they won only for aizen to slap them in the face with a mountain busting laser.

No it doesn't. Wonder Woman, Thor, Sentry, and Hulk have no qualms about killing. Aizen's zanpaktou wouldn't work on Diana anyway because her eyes and the lasso see through illusions.

By that time, MMH will already be under Aizen's Hypnosis. It will be too late. It's not mere Illusions, Kyoka Suigetsu is FAR BEYOND that.

@ssj3gohan007: Except he won't get that hot because he doesn't want to kill his friends.

@jeepeh: Did you not read what I said before? Aizen does not control the mind. MMH could tell them apart just by communicating with them telepathically, which he does very commonly.

Zatanna says "sevlesruoy llik"

fixed.

There's also the fact that Yama's Bankai is MMH's weakness. MMH is weak against fire. The Bankai effects the entire planet their fighting on. It's not even normal fire either, it's the strongest magical fire ever. It can "DESTROY ALL CREATION" it has been stated to do so.

Aizen's power is SPIRITUAL not mental. MMH's powers aren't applicable here.

@ssj3gohan007: You just made up your entire argument.

Does not want to kill his friends? Want to bet?

You see! He won't hesitate to kill the other Bleach Character to exterminate evil!

@jeepeh: @ssj3gohan007:

Guys, you're being unreasonable.. I love bleach and all, but that's too much overestimation. Two things:

1. One, even if aizen does put MMH under hypnosis, and he isn't able to resist it, it doesn't change anything. MMH doesn't have to rely on his five senses. He's an exceptionally powerful telepath, he could literally make all of gotei 13 kill themselves with a thought.

2. As for johny and yamamoto, realize one thing: all out Johny can reach the temperature of a supernova: that's 100 billion. Yamamoto, even in bankai will be vaporized just by johny's presence like that. And he can gone hotter..

@princearagorn1:

I see your point, but I didn't know that Johnny was even part of this fight. There's also the fact that's in-character right? I am assuming that MMH will not do this. Good guys aren't supposed to do this. Their supposed to be honorable and fight fair, no?

@jeepeh: @awesam: @ssj3gohan007:

just to bring this up, Tsukishima is in Soul Society now with the other Iba clan. Tsukishima's is pretty much hax here. He could make MMH think he knows him, pretty much implant kryptonite anywhere cuz of his book of the end sword

@ssj3gohan007: Certain heroes do kill without hesitation. MMH wouldn't kill them telepathically unless forced to, but he could knock them unconscious with it.

I mean there is a pretty big difference between them fighting at the full extent of their capabilities and holding back & fighting honorably, is there not?

Just because they can win if they go all out shouldn't mean the same will happen if they tone it down and try to play this as fairly as possible?

MMH isn't the only telepath on the team either.

Aquaman, Zatanna, Green Lantern and Sentry all have it too.

This is a mismatch actually. Wally, Captain Atom, Thor and SW are all here too...

I almost forgot that. Tsukishima's power is pretty hax. Then you got people like Shinji and Kouga Kuchiki. Gin's power is pretty Hax too, he almost killed Transcendent Aizen. Then there is the Genius of Urahara, who should not be underestimated. The Hogyoku can make characters immortal so they can't be killed.

Aizen is technically Immortal.

Without PIS, martian's telepathy is more than strong enough to take out half the villains JLA faces...

Think of it like this: if aizen's shikai works, martian can still telepathically keep everyone in their place, and simply mind control aizen to release the illusion..

Basically, aizen's shikai is extremely limited because it only affects the five senses. Martian's telepathy outclasses it by a whole lot.

I am not sure if the illusion can be released it's permanent. It worked for over 100 years in a row without any need to re-hypnotize.

What about Tsukishima? If he cut's MMH with Book of The End, he can insert himself into MMH's history. It will be like Tsukishima was MMH's Master/Best Friend and helped him develop and train his powers and been with him every step of the way. He would know all of MMH's tricks and abilities and how to counter them.

This power also works against inanimate objects, even the ground, the air, the water, anything.

It's as if he had PREP TIME and could booby trap the whole battlefield, figure out everyone's weakness and plant it at just the right location to be revealed at just the right time.

@ssj3gohan007: MMH can phase right through his sword. He's not going to stand there and let him cut him. Also, if he did, then it would be a battle of the minds and I'm not sure if his Zanpakuto can overpower MMH mind. Also, if sentry snaps, then everyone dies. I like Bleach and I'm a huge Aizen fan (arguably a fanboy), but Soul Society is not winning here.

MMH can make Tsukishima think he's a five year old girl.

That.. depends. Kyoka suigetsu can released by touching the sword, at least. (gin had looked at the shikai already, and his was still released)

That depends. You realize MMH could do that to a person's memory instantly, right?

There's also another major difference: All of byakuya's techniques are sword, or kidou etc. Knowing MMH has telepathy doesn't mean tsukushima can resist it.

I don't think you realize what the problem here is:

PIS off, MMH can literally end the fight with a thought (literally). Wally can take away their swords before they even form a thought (literally). Clark can fry the entire planet with heat vision (can post scans)... The difference in speed and power is far too much to be overcome. The fight -might- be fair if it's just one member vs Gotei13. All of them is a mismatch.

Wonder Woman sees through illusions so she hands Aizen his ass and the rest of the JLA beat the remaining members of the opposing team.

Neither was Byakuya, but he still ended up getting cut. How? His power is so crazy and convoluted that all he has to do is cut the ground or cut MMH's attacks, he will insert himself into those attacks and those attacks will no longer work on him. It doesn't make any sense but thats how hax his power is. His sword can cut anything, even concepts. I am not sure if even intangibility will help against such a sword, he will just insert himself into MMH's intangibility or something wack like that.

Not all illusions are created equal, Aizen's power is on a completely different level then anything Wonder Woman has ever encountered. There is no guarantee that it would work against this.

@princearagorn1: Yes, but then each and every person will need to touch his sword, and its possible that they need to constantly be in contact with his sword, or the illusion turns right back on just like with Tousen Kaname. Which just means that this is highly impractical, if not near impossible.

Perhaps, but can and will is not the same thing here. Logically, maybe, but Tsukishima power's defies all logic and common sense. For all we know, he'll find a way. Fortunately he is not likely to do this, at least not right away. Yes, I believe you. But being capable of something, doesn't mean he will do it. He is Superman, morals are on, he won't do this - I guarantee it. Wally is fast and might be capable of that in theory but, heres the thing: How will he carry thousands of Zanpaktou in his arms? The Zanpaktou's are extensions of their soul, I don't think simply taking it from this will do anything. They can just re-materialize it in their hands. I totally agree with what your saying but its not about power and speed here, there are some HAX abilities that defy everything. Of course not everyone has those kind of powers, so most of the characters will be defeated but the few of the OPed Bleach characters will still cause some problems for the superheroes.