TDK Batman vs Movie Black Widow

Rules - in character, both with standard equipment, no prep, the location is a random City.

WHO WINS??????

Been done, Widow wins she has better gear and less morals on killing.

Batman because with more knowledge and better skills.

Been done, batman wins due to wearing a suit of armor and being stronger, faster, a better fighter and more durable and having stealth and gadgets.

Batman. More skilled, durable, stronger, faster, better gadgets, and has much better combat feats.

There wouldn't even be a fight. Batman just takes her out with stealth.

Black Widow.

Widow stomps.

Bruce takes this. They have comparable skill while Bruce is stronger and much more durable.

She shoots him in the face.

@mtuske: Batman aim dodged in TDKR

Batman.

This.

Now let's not see another movie version thread for a while. At least until Age of Ultron comes out. Ok CV?

If you're talking about The Dark Knight, you mean Nolan Batman, right? If so, then Natasha wins this.

This thread is so hilarious wrong.

Lol. No. His suit took a small handgun bullet to a spot on his torso. Thats not stopping Natasha from headshotting him. Or even just shooting him a hell of a lot.

No, no, hell no. Natasha took a hit from the hulk and kept trucking.

No he didn't. The fodder was proven to be inaccurate. The guy wasn't adjusting his aim. And their guns were constantly jamming for no reason.

Yeah..... no. Widow stuck up on the Winter Soldier in direct combat. And also headshotted him via stealth.

Easily this. Or drops him with tasers. Or stealth takes him down with her garrote. She has range, tactics, agility, and the gear advantages.

@allstarsuperman: Are you really going to use Hulk hit as a feat? That was extreme case of PIS and WIS.

Batman

@allstarsuperman: Hulk hitting her and her surviving was PIS. She has no stealth feats to say she can beat batman that way. And yes he did aim dodge and the guy was changing his aim the whole time. Batman wins, and she cannot stealth him, or shoot him because he can aim dodge. Batman was simply shown to be better than her. In batman begins he was so fast you could not even see what he was doing. Many think that's just bad camera work but it was done to emphasize his speed.

@rbt: no it wasn't. She took a backhand, and kept trucking. It's not like she shrugged off all he could throw at her. Having good durablility/pain tolerance is not PIS in most cases. That's like saying John McClane tanking bullets, hundred foot falls, close range explosions is all pis just because a real life cop couldn't do it.

@jayc1324: stop. He clearly wasn't that fast as shown in TDK swat team sequence. The swat dudes yell out "freeze or well shoot"multiple times. Then instead of firing, they job. And stroll up yo him in attempts to hit him with their guns. Any goon with half decent aim could have shot Batman in that cituation. As shown by Harvey dent being able to shot him. Why didn't batman move " camera shaking blur speed" in that encounter? Because he really isn't that fast.

On panel showings >>> director statements

Movie Black Widow.

@allstarsuperman: He was fast there too. No slow man can beat a swat team. Widow didn't fight faster than him. Widow only beat fodder too. Harvey shot him because batman literally said "point the gun at those responsible" which was him... And not only that but he tanked that bullet and still beat Harvey. He really is that fast, the movie shows it too. Not just director statements, even though those matter too. In batman begins we literally cannot see what he is doing when he fights. The scene is shot from how the criminals see batman, extremely fast.

@allstarsuperman: if hulk had actually hit her hard she would be dead. He obviously didn't hit her hard at all.

@allstarsuperman: Because tanking bullets and a hit from Hulk is the same thing, right? We're talkinh about a guy who when holding back one shotted a Leviathan and couldn't KO a human while bloodlusted. Come on!

Natasha was KOed by a little rubble falling on her even though most of it was blovked by Steve. She was limping after getting hit a couple times by Clint. So no, surviving a hit from The freaking Hulk is not a feat.

@jayc1324: if batman is so fast, why didn't he speedblitz Harvey in that scene then. Obviously Widow > Harvey. If Batman is so fast why didn't he speed blitz Joker and his goons in the party scene? Cause he really isn't that fast. A competent SWAT team that was actually willing to fire their guns would annihilate Batman.

@allstarsuperman: You see, speed blitzing a guy with a gun to a kids head isn't a great idea. And he did blitz Harvey when he wasn't looking, after getting shot. He used stealth against the joker goons. They obviously wouldn't annihilate batman since he beat them. He is that fast. You know your argument is weak when your entire argument is based on trying to lowball and discredit Batman's feats instead of giving feats for widow. She didn't speed blitz anyone.

"Batman speed blitzed Harvey when he wasn't lookin"

- Best Logic Ever

Black Widow blitzed trained men when they were looking, this is more impressive than Batman blitzing a lawyer when he wasn't looking, lol.

Still Widow.

Hawkeye gave her a fight, hows his H2H compared to Bats?

Nolan Batman was basically superhuman. Falls six stories while on fire and disoriented by fear toxin and survives reasonably unharmed. Dives off a building, grabs the ugly Rachael, lands on his back on a car and laughs it off. Gets his back broken (dislocated) whilst a crippled old man, heals up in a third world dungeon, trains himself and then beats up Bane, who can punch through concrete.

He is probably the least skillful of the Batman incarnations but peak Nolan Bats doesn't get beaten up in a fist fight. He'd probably hold his own with MCU Cap. Well, maybe not but that would be a closer match than Widow

@allstarsuperman:

No, no, hell no.

Yes, he's more durable, unless you have the feats to prove otherwise.

Natasha took a hit from the hulk and kept trucking.

You mean when Hulk just brushed her aside while he was running? Cool, but not that reliable as a durability feat. I also don't recall her "trucking" after that.

Yeah..... no. Widow stuck up on the Winter Soldier in direct combat. And also headshotted him via stealth.

Winter Soldier also snuck up on her and would've killed her if not for Cap, so I'm not sure why you think Bruce is incapable of doing it when he has better stealth feats than Winter Soldier.

And also headshotted him via stealth.

Not very impressive in context. Widow wasn't trying to be stealthy in that instance, hence why she was in a full sprint. She had saw Bucky's shadow and wanted to get a shot off before he moved. She was also approaching from a blind spot in midst of a lot of screaming and commotion from nearby civilians, so Bucky wasn't going to see or hear her no matter what. He also thought she was dead. Geat tactical feat for Widow, but there was nothing remotely impressive about it in terms of stealth. It certainly wasn't anything Nolan Batman couldn't replicate.

Widow took a hit from Hulk?Really?What a joke...

@reaverlation: Not a hit really. Just a freshly transformed(and I mean really. It's been only a a second or so) pushed her aside.

Widow.

Pretty sure Hawkeye's only h2h showing is his fight with her

@allstarsuperman: She never kept trucking after the back hand she was knocked out.

@spiderman1997: I know.That's why I called it a joke.Widow is unimpressive when it comes to H2H when compared to Nolan Batman

Black Widow.

Batman.

@leo-343: So what? He could see and batman was moving fast, faster than widow can

@leo-343: the tunnels were lit enough to see, if you remember. They weren't standing in pitch black darkness. That aim dodging feat is better than what widow can do. Batman has been facing armed thugs for around 2-3 years and has only been shot once, he clearly has some method to avoid getting shot and he can do the same for widow here.

@leo-343: If it wasn't for Cap she would have died, though.