Tarzan (book version) vs Batman

Tarzan vs Batman

In the novel, Tarzan is portrayed as the epitome of man as his separation from society, and it’s this social construction makes him stronger than other individuals displayed in the novel. This strength is shown through his physique, mental and emotional ability, and his personal essence. Burroughs created an exceptional example of a noble fierce male figure that has little character flaws, physically and emotionally. As a result of being raised in a great ape tribe, Tarzan's physique symbolized one of a god.

"His straight and perfect figure, muscled as the best of the ancient Roman gladiators must have been muscled, and yet with the soft and sinuous curves of a Greek god, told at a glance the wondrous combination of enormous strength with suppleness and speed."

In the novel, Tarzan is described as a Caucasian male who is extremely athletic, handsome, tanned, with grey eyes and long black hair. Tarzan's ability to swing on vines, sleep on branches and hid behind jungle brush allow his physical self to be conditioned in a way that is comparable to one of a Gods. The way he was raised not only shaped his physical sense, but also how he identified himself as an individual. Burroughs depicted society as stripping individuals from something completely human, their intimate relationship with nature.

Tarzan's removal from society, one where justice and punishment lives, allows him to make rational unbiased decisions. His relationship with nature enabled him to know the difference between right and wrong, and when to make a strategic move for his own self. Tarzan represents the essential, natural man. He depicts the true human essence that is inside every individual, but is repressed due to society.

Batman relies on "his own scientific knowledge, detective skills, and athletic prowess." In the stories, Batman is regarded as one of the world's greatest detectives, if not the world's greatest crime solver. He has spent a significant portion of his life traveling the world and acquiring the skills needed to aid in his crusade against crime. His knowledge and expertise in almost every discipline known to man is nearly unparalleled by any other character in the DC Universe.

Batman is an expert in interrogation techniques and would often use law enforcement methods, as well as torture. Several of his methods include hanging a person over the edge of a building by the leg or chaining a person upside down and beat them. He usually just uses his frightening appearance to get answers. Batman has been repeatedly described as one of the greatest martial artists in the DC Universe; his skills in martial arts are said to rival such notable martial artists as Lady Shiva, Bronze Tiger, Bruce Lee and Richard Dragon.

Batman has the ability to function while tolerating massive amounts of physical pain, withstand telepathy and mind control. He is a master of disguise, often gathering information under the identity of Matches Malone, a notorious gangster. He is also skilled in spying, thus allowing him to hide in unexpected places. His jujutsu training has made him a master at stealth where he can can appear and disappear in rather impossible situations. He is efficient with observation skills, deductive reasoning, and forensic investigation. He is also efficient in escapology, thus allowing him to break free of nearly inescapable deathtraps with very little to no harm.

Round 1

Batman enters the jungles and kills an ape of Tarzan's clan. As a leader of his clan Tarzan needs to settle the score with the intruder and challenges him before all the other apes in open combat. This would be a battle to death, no preparation for either fighter. Tarzan is armed with a hunting knife and a rope, Batman has his armored suit on and a couple of batarangs.

Round 2

Tarzan has left his jungles and traveled across the ocean to Gotham city in the USA. He is dressed appropriately and is being driven down Gotham avenue by a taxi driver while suddenly a fancy looking car crashes into his cab. The cab driver is killed on the spot but Tarzan survives and sees this other driver as a threat. This other driver is Bruce Wayne, Bruce Wayne approaches the car to try to help Tarzan and the diseased cab driver but it's too late. Tarzan is furious and leaps onto Bruce Wayne. They would both be dressed in civilian clothing and win would be by knockout.

Round 3

Tarzan has been restrained by 50 armed cops after his cab accident. He has been put in jail but with his brute strength and wit he manages to escape. It's in the middle of the night and he decides to go hunting for this man that tried to kill him. Bruce or Batman has recovered from his earlier encounter with Tarzan and is also out hunting this night but for different prey, some smugglers down at the docks. Batman is waiting at the roof top at the docks while suddenly Tarzan leaps onto him with a hunting knife drawn. This time Batman is fully equipped with all his gadgets and would clearly be fighting for his life.

Round 1: Batman Stomps

Round 2: Hmm tough, Bruce allows Tarzan to knock him out, so he doesn't reveal he's Bataman.

Round 3: Batman ROFL stomps.

Batman in the comics has no problem wrestling around 500lb Tigers. Don't see how Tarzan wins.

@darlur: very cool Tarzan is pretty awesome.

Round 1

Well to be certain, this is Tarzans jungle, right? He's in his own environment and has every necessary need to take down or surprise Batman in this fight but I don't see a way he could get at all through his armor. Batman senses are most likely greater and would be able to hear him coming for him but Batman should win.

Round 2

A car crash dazed Bruce and Tarzan would be a bit iffy due to the fact that Tarzan has never encountered such force and Bruce definitely has. Bruce is still better H2H fighter than Tarzan so he would most likely get a Ko here.

Round 3

It depends if Tarzans first strike lands but Batman definitely wins. His tech is too much

@frozen: Batman has also lost against weaklings such as the joker in physical combat. I think there's no question that Tarzan clearly is physically superior to Batman. Tarzan was raised on ape milk since birth, while Bruce really took up crime fighting as a young adult. You can't really compare the two physically, Batman has his armored suit and combat experience with other humans to his advantage, but physically Tarzan takes him.

This is by no means a stomp for any of the combatants. In the novel Tarzan is a master at killing quickly which he has been forced to do while fighting lions, you can't really survive a drawn out battle with any big cat they're simply physically superior to humans. I call PIS on that peak human batman could easily wrestle tigers, let's look at this realistically and not take into account Batman's PIS quality feats.

I say Tarzan due to being physically stronger and using the environment to his advantage manages to either strangle Batman to death with the rope or he will strip Batman on his armor and execute him with the knife. While in civilian clothing Tarzan easily knocks him out, Bruce isn't prepared for a physical confrontation and is clearly dazed while Tarzan having survived hits from great gorillas since childhood ignores the pain and goes berserk.

In the third scenario who wins really depends on what tools Batman has in his belt. Question is if he'd be able to reach them in time before Tarzan kills him, he'd probably somehow manage to escape since he is a master at escapism. Then he'd use some anesthetic gas or darts or some other tool to put Tarzan out. Tarzan wins two to one, without prep or his gadgets Batman is really just a world class martial artist, and a world class martial artist, even armed wouldn't be able to fight and kill a lion. Something Tarzan has managed to do with a rope and a dull knife.

Tarzan wins by death.

@darlur: Enlighten me to when Batman lost to Joker in physical combat? The rest of your post assumes far too much about Batman. Comic Book peak humans > real life peak humans.

Batman has physically wrestled a white Tiger and snapped it's neck without too much trouble.

Detective Comics #612.

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That isn't PIS. That is mild for Batman. He routinely performs much better feats.

He can kick down trees.

And kick apart giant robots.

Unless you can provide suffice counters which show Tarzan has performed better feats....

@frozen: He is clearly using some kind of wire with a pole while fighting the white tiger, that's not even a rope. He is also not easily dealing with that tiger judging from his last expression there. We don't even see what happens, also the tiger seems to have been let out of a cage and set upon him. Any domestic animal can't be compared to a wild version of the same animal, that'd be like comparing a grown Justin Bieber to a native african bush warrior.

The tree has no leaves, so it's clearly rotten, even I have at some point been able to kick down a rotting tree. The robot kick isn't impressive at all, it clearly had been weakened or doesn't function correctly if a peak human can kick it off it's balance.

Now I don't own any Tarzan comics, but here are some feats that might not even be his most impressive feats off of google.

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What to pay attention to, knocks out a T rex, keeping an alligator's mouth open. An alligator or crocodile whatever it is has about a bite force of 3,700 pounds per square inch. That is 1678 kg per square inch, inch is like close to 3cm. This is clear proof that Tarzan outmatches Batman physically. Hell with such strength he'd probably be able to crush Batman's arms or wrists. His grip is far far stronger than Batman's, he has spent his whole life swinging from branches and trees, his wrists must be like iron.

Anyway Tarzan clearly outmatches Batman physically. Tarzan stomps in scenario one and two and in the last battle, Batman walks away cripple for life.

@darlur: No.

He jumps the Tiger and physically overpowers it, and then kills it. That is what happened. He is easily dealing with it, he's aggressively choking the Tiger out but he had no problem in wrestling it down. Again, that Tiger was trained to kill.

It's not rotten. He's been capable of doing it for years, it's confirmed in Gotham Knights #1 - Black and White:

It's not weakened, it was giving several others trouble.

He can clear 10 feet in a second or so.

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Batman has been able to smack around Killer Croc, he's stopped Croc's bite. Give me the issue numbers to Tarzan 'knocking out a T-Rex'. Batman's feat of one-shotting a giant robot is substantially superior. From Batwing #23, that robot is much larger than a T-Rex.

He has shattered bazuka-proof glass.

Or that he can disappear and re-appear on Superman by whim.

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Tarzan has no advantages.

Batman

@frozen: Tarzan has no advantages except being beyond peak human when it comes to strength and agility. You should read the book if you haven't, the last kill he does in the book is winning a bet that he can kill a lion that is roaring far away in the jungle within one hour only using a knife and a rope. He takes off his clothes and completely naked enters the jungle and before the hour ended he walks out with the lion over his back. He also challenges one of the man apes in bare handed combat, without using the knife or his rope.

This is even more impressive of a feat, this guy he subdues barehanded, practically naked, would like to see Wayne do that.

Due to the Disney movie most people think the tribe of apes Tarzan lived with were gorillas. It was actually a tribe of now extinct old world apes. We broke off from the chimpanzees 5 million years ago, orangutangs and gorillas even further back like 8 million years. These man apes Tarzan lived with were earlier were earlier cousins to us than the chimps and therefore a lot smarter as well. You can argue how much you want but it's a fact that the apes above are stronger than any human that has ever lived including Batman.

It's actually due to Tarzan's human intellect that he manages to defeat the ape. I'd argue Batman wouldn't be able to do the same if he'd be in that same spot. Also these apes are much stronger than modern gorillas, it's said in the book that the ape standing on his hind legs was 2 meters tall. That is 78⁴⁷⁄₆₄ inches. Make a gorilla that tall and you know what you'd be fighting. Batman wouldn't stand a chance, doesn't matter how many martial arts he has mastered.

Bruce Lee, Muhammed Ali, Mike Tyson none of them would stand a chance against an enraged gorilla. Tarzan managed due to being as physically strong and agile as he is. There's no point in arguing about it, Tarzan is stronger and more agile than Bruce Wayne and physically he wins in every way. Someone said that Batman's senses are sharper, no possible, ha that is just stupid when you think about it.

Also how about we make this a realistic Batman and not a PIS comic book batman, Batman is over rated just like Superman. Both popular heroes and only because they are people seem to think they can beat anyone, that goes for Hulk too.

@darlur: You've literally ignored my entire post. Batman has dodged bullets after they were fired, easily wrestled down tigers, shattered bazuka proof glass, kick apart giant mental robots, clear 10 feet in a second and disappear from Superman. But you keep re-aserting Tarzan > Ape > Batman.

I'm aware that apes are far above real life humans. Batman is a comic bookpeak human, he performs feats that include bullet dodging or shattering bazuka proof glass but is classified as human. The feats I showed are not PIS. Those are mild feats for Batman.

You think Tarzan could beat Spider-Man, Hulk and Superman? Get real.

@frozen: Everyone knows Batman is PIS hero. I'm willing to grant you that he is a great detective and a formidable ninja. I'm even willing to grant him peak human status, but that is where he stops, at peak human. There is no peak comic book human status, if we're going to discuss this seriously then we can't look at comic book batman. We would have to look at a Batman that is like twice Christian Bale's Batman or something. But Batman can't break robots made of steel by kicking them to death, he can't destroy bazooka proofed glass with his fists without the use of some tech.

I actually think that all DC movies realeased have made good realistic versions of the characters. From Batman, Catwoman and Greenlantern to Superman. Superman can't toss galaxies or lift planets, just like Batman can't kick down trees and punch through bazooka proofed glass. Peak human is peak human, no peak human can defeat a lion. Only reason Tarzan has any chance at all is because of his knife and his rope, only reason he was able to defeat the ape was because using his human intellect he found a special move that is quite common in wrestling and by using that managed to almost strangle the ape.

Physically Tarzan beats Batman, you should read this again for some info on what you're dealing with.

In the novel, Tarzan is portrayed as the epitome of man as his separation from society, and it’s this social construction makes him stronger than other individuals displayed in the novel. This strength is shown through his physique, mental and emotional ability, and his personal essence. Burroughs created an exceptional example of a noble fierce male figure that has little character flaws, physically and emotionally. As a result of being raised in a great ape tribe, Tarzan's physique symbolized one of a god.

"His straight and perfect figure, muscled as the best of the ancient Roman gladiators must have been muscled, and yet with the soft and sinuous curves of a Greek god, told at a glance the wondrous combination of enormous strength with suppleness and speed."

In the novel, Tarzan is described as a Caucasian male who is extremely athletic, handsome, tanned, with grey eyes and long black hair. Tarzan's ability to swing on vines, sleep on branches and hid behind jungle brush allow his physical self to be conditioned in a way that is comparable to one of a Gods. The way he was raised not only shaped his physical sense, but also how he identified himself as an individual. Burroughs depicted society as stripping individuals from something completely human, their intimate relationship with nature.

Tarzan's removal from society, one where justice and punishment lives, allows him to make rational unbiased decisions. His relationship with nature enabled him to know the difference between right and wrong, and when to make a strategic move for his own self. Tarzan represents the essential, natural man. He depicts the true human essence that is inside every individual, but is repressed due to society.

Batman has his armor and his gadgets, but he hasn't got the physical advantage over Tarzan. Enlighten me, when did Bruce Wayne start training as a ninja, late teens? Tarzan has trained as a prehistoric ape since birth, he was raised on ape milk and isn't some pancy rich boy with issues. He is far stronger and faster and more agile than Batman, in some ways more knowledgeable about the wild but not when it comes to everything Batman has been exposed to.

I give the last fight to Batman if he survives Tarzan's first hit, if he survives it he will probably be badly hurt and or crippled for life. As for Hulk or Spiderman, if Spiderman can be hurt by knives and has to wrestle Tarzan I wouldn't say it'd be a stomp. Hulk clearly beats Tarzan but these heroes are mutants and not even a part of Tarzan's universe. It's kind of silly to put unrealistic heroes up against heroes that are actually imaginable.

@darlur: You've not read many Batman comics. Because you are making flat out false assertions on him.

Everyone knows Batman is PIS hero. I'm willing to grant you that he is a great detective and a formidable ninja. I'm even willing to grant him peak human status, but that is where he stops, at peak human. There is no peak comic book human status, if we're going to discuss this seriously then we can't look at comic book batman. We would have to look at a Batman that is like twice Christian Bale's Batman or something. But Batman can't break robots made of steel by kicking them to death, he can't destroy bazooka proofed glass with his fists without the use of some tech.

None of the feats I posted are PIS. All of the feats I posted are standard for Batman. There is a comic book peak human status. It exists - comic book peak humans routinely dodge bullets and are easily capable of beating Gorilla's or Tiger's, they operate in a different reality. The 55 year old Batman in The Dark Knight Returns can dodge a reign of bullets close-range, punch through walls and can snap shot-guns in half. Comic book Batman is leagues beyond Bale's Batman. Bale's Batman is at a relatively high level even by our standards, most people in reality aren't even at Bale's Batman. Bale's Batman is about ten times less powerful than comic book Batman in feats and that's me being generous with that. Batman can kick apart giant robots as he's learnt 127 marital art style and thus his skill allows him to. Likewise, he is skilled to the point where he shatters bazooka proof glass. He did not use any tech.

I actually think that all DC movies realeased have made good realistic versions of the characters. From Batman, Catwoman and Greenlantern to Superman. Superman can't toss galaxies or lift planets, just like Batman can't kick down trees and punch through bazooka proofed glass. Peak human is peak human, no peak human can defeat a lion. Only reason Tarzan has any chance at all is because of his knife and his rope, only reason he was able to defeat the ape was because using his human intellect he found a special move that is quite common in wrestling and by using that managed to almost strangle the ape.

The Nolan Batman films are great films. However, they do not depict Batman's abilities as seen in the comics. The Christopher Reeve movies do as they're based on theSilver-Age. Superman in the first movie alone reversed time by making The Earth spin backwards. Most other comic book movies do not depict their characters to the standard of the comics in ability, bar Superman. Superman has never tossed a galaxy nor lifted a planet in the movies either.

If you really want to use the point about Gorilla's - then you should also know that Gorilla's are 10-15x stronger than humans. Tarzan shouldn't have stood a chance.

Batman has his armor and his gadgets, but he hasn't got the physical advantage over Tarzan. Enlighten me, when did Bruce Wayne start training as a ninja, late teens? Tarzan has trained as a prehistoric ape since birth, he was raised on ape milk and isn't some pancy rich boy with issues. He is far stronger and faster and more agile than Batman, in some ways more knowledgeable about the wild but not when it comes to everything Batman has been exposed to.

Bruce travelled the world for a decade. In that decade, he learnt more skill than Tarzan possess. He knows 127 martial art forms. Batman is faster and stronger than Tarzan. He is more durable. He is smarter. He is more skilful. He's also richer. He's better than Tarzan in everything.

I give the last fight to Batman if he survives Tarzan's first hit, if he survives it he will probably be badly hurt and or crippled for life. As for Hulk or Spiderman, if Spiderman can be hurt by knives and has to wrestle Tarzan I wouldn't say it'd be a stomp. Hulk clearly beats Tarzan but these heroes are mutants and not even a part of Tarzan's universe. It's kind of silly to put unrealistic heroes up against heroes that are actually imaginable.

Get real. Tarzan is not imaginable. No ape would raise a human and any silly attempt at doing so would result in the human dying at a young age. The apes would have ripped him apart.

Spider-Man can lift 10 tons. That is beyond Tarzan and you know it.

@frozen: Actually there have been humans raised by animals through history but they often die early after discovered due to feeling lonely and isolated. Wolves, apes are the animals I know of humans have managed to live among in peace. Also I should have said this in the first post but I thought it was common sense, we'd put these two HUMANS against each other. When I say human I take for granted we're talking about realistic actual humans and not some super human that can punch through bazooka glass.

How about we merge some of Batman's realistic comic feats with how Christian Bale presented Batman. Then we'd get a realistic peak human Batman, as he is presented in about every animated feature movie and in the nolan movies. As for 10 years traveling the world learning martial arts vs being raised by monkeys in the jungle since birth and becoming a physically a lesser god as I quoted to you before. Yeah this fancy pants Bruce wayne hasn't got a chance against Tarzan. All Batman's martial arts either take place standing on two feet or wrestling on the ground.

Tarzan walks both on 4 feet and on 2, do you realise how much stronger this makes him since he has walked like this since birth. It's beyond silly that you say Batman is stronger, you seem to know shit about Tarzan. Also it doesn't really matter how many martial arts Batman knows, there is only so much you can do with the human body. At some point you have to adapt and use raw strength and believe me when I say that Batman could not put Tarzan in some lock, actually thinking about it I really wonder how long it'd take for Tarzan to break Batman's neck.

Batman is physically so out of Tarzan's league it's almost spite comparing the two physically. Batman's armor will only protect him for so long, until Tarzan realizes he must undress the Bat. When Batman is butt naked he'll be easy prey for Tarzan, but he could always strangle him to death and not bother undressing Batman, use the rope.

@frozen said:

@darlur: Enlighten me to when Batman lost to Joker in physical combat? The rest of your post assumes far too much about Batman. Comic Book peak humans > real life peak humans.

Batman has physically wrestled a white Tiger and snapped it's neck without too much trouble.

Detective Comics #612.

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That isn't PIS. That is mild for Batman. He routinely performs much better feats.

He can kick down trees.

And kick apart giant robots.

Unless you can provide suffice counters which show Tarzan has performed better feats....

Lol never saw these scans before.

So the only reason tarzan can do his best feat is because he has 1 /10000 of batmans gear, 1/10000 of his smarts, and knows one common wrestling move?

impressive.

The fact you are calling pis on batman , and then literally going on to say batman cant win because he is human, and so tarzan wins, but batman isnt human, and neither is tarzan

@easternwind: And has spent 20 years as an ape man in the jungle...don't forget that. He knows every single move a human could possibly make, he is using his human body to as perfectly as it can be used. As for the wrestling move we're talking about, it's only mentioned once in the book when he is fighting the ape. It's this one:

The ape is physically stronger than him, by nature. But by using his wit he managed to defeat the ape, Batman however wouldn't be able to do the same thing in the same situation. He hasn't got the practical experience that is required, he might be the world greatest detective and one of it's best martial artists. But Tarzan surpasses human limitations, he has grown up fighting other species of animal that are far stronger than the strongest martial arts master. Doesn't matter how many years and how many HUMANS batman has trained with, an ape would beat them all. Tarzan has lived with the apes all his life and fought many of them and even lions and pumas, big cats and who knows what other animals. Also note that the ape he managed to put into submission isn't just any ape. Two meter tall while standing on two feet, that is like a basketball player, a gorilla as tall on two feet as a basketball player. That is what Tarzan was able to subdue with strength, experience and human intellect that puts him above the brute beast.

Tarzan is stronger therefore beats the shit outta the bat.

@frozen: I agree with almost all your scans but the giant robot one could be AIS, and rarely is Batman punching through bazooka proof glass, those are very high end feats that not a lot of writers would probably agree on.

@darlur:

@darlur said:

@easternwind: And has spent 20 years as an ape man in the jungle...don't forget that. He knows every single move a human could possibly make, he is using his human body to as perfectly as it can be used. As for the wrestling move we're talking about, it's only mentioned once in the book when he is fighting the ape. It's this one:

The ape is physically stronger than him, by nature. But by using his wit he managed to defeat the ape, Batman however wouldn't be able to do the same thing in the same situation. He hasn't got the practical experience that is required, he might be the world greatest detective and one of it's best martial artists. But Tarzan surpasses human limitations, he has grown up fighting other species of animal that are far stronger than the strongest martial arts master. Doesn't matter how many years and how many HUMANS batman has trained with, an ape would beat them all. Tarzan has lived with the apes all his life and fought many of them and even lions and pumas, big cats and who knows what other animals. Also note that the ape he managed to put into submission isn't just any ape. Two meter tall while standing on two feet, that is like a basketball player, a gorilla as tall on two feet as a basketball player. That is what Tarzan was able to subdue with strength, experience and human intellect that puts him above the brute beast.

Tarzan is stronger therefore beats the shit outta the bat.

Ok, Listen, yes he has spent 20 years in the jungle. Batman has been doing training JUST as hard he fights SUPER humans

do you know who Bane is ?

Do you know who killer croc is?

and no tarzan doesnt know everything about THE human body he knows his, batman has REAL LIFETIME experience dealing with people stronger than him. Saying batman couldnt pull of a trick, that requires

Beating a stronger opponent through wit!!!

shows a HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE lack of knowlege on batman, thats his thing.

My point is YOU throw out batman fighting a tiger because its PIS, and a human couldnt do it, but then the SAME should apply to tarzan. Both are fiction characters who do crazy stuff.

Your being really hypocritical man, saying tarzan surpasses humans because he fights stuff stronger than humans and has experience fighting stuff stronger than humans

but. batman does/has everything I just said

PLUS gadgets, a super suit and more how

You say batman cant be stronger than a peak human, tarzan wins because he is stronger than peak human.

thats the definition of a double standard.

The truth is, a non PIS showing for batman, is him benching half a ton.

@easternwind: You still don't get it, Tarzan isn't that human. He is more ape than human actually, he takes the best of both species and uses it to his advantage. This is good animation but still it doesn't really do Tarzan justice, but maybe it'd give you an idea of how he would be moving etc. Could bruce wayne in loin cloth do the same? No he'd get killed. A human's martial art only works that far, Tarzan is on another level.

@darlur: Movie was awesome.

A regular human, with martial arts cannot beat a tiger, or even tarzan really. But you REALLY dont get that you are saying TARZAN gets ALL his FEATS and gets to be super human.

But BATMAN has to be a normal guy with some martial arts.

That is called - Hypocrisy, special pleding, and double standards.

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Before these scans he was fighting and had taken a great fall and been hurt, still deals with a SUPER HUMAN and deals over 100 pounds of presure.

Heres all the martial arts he learns or is told to have learned ON PANNEL

http://batmanfeats.blogspot.com/p/martial-arts.html

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Keeps it real working out with a BROKEN BACK

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Lifts half a ton and causally manhandles a 600 pound monster

Leg presses 2500 pounds!!

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speed read, lip read, total recall, genius+ iq, 100% on every fbi test.

I shouldnt have to tell you all this. But incase you didnt know, I did.

And dismising it but keeping tarzans is silly.

Bruce stomps

he wants to use a batman that can only do what a real human can do though

@easternwind: ...lol

@reaverlation: well, lets just say he makes his points...strongly.

Heres some intresting points he made on why :

Tarzan is stronger, can use his WIT BETTER, and is all around better in every way including smarts, ( in battle at least) just not book smarts and tech stuff

And also, batman has to be that way , because hes a peak human

and with tarzan ( and I quote)

You still don't get it, Tarzan isn't that human. He is more ape than human actually, he takes the best of both species and uses it to his advantage.

This is good animation but still it doesn't really do Tarzan justice, but maybe it'd give you an idea of how he would be moving etc. Could bruce wayne in loin cloth do the same? No he'd get killed. A human's martial art only works that far, Tarzan is on another level.

and

Tarzan has trained as a prehistoric ape since birth, he was raised on ape milk and isn't some pancy rich boy with issues

So because bruce is human , he cant keep up. With tarzan, who is super human, but batman isnt superhuman cuz its PIS.

Tarzan is aparently also SMARTERand a better WRESTLER/FIGHTER than bats (and I quote)

He knows every single move a human could possibly make, he is using his human body to as perfectly as it can be used. As for the wrestling move we're talking about, it's only mentioned once in the book when he is fighting the ape. It's this one:

The ape is physically stronger than him, by nature. But by using his wit he managed to defeat the ape,(2)Batman however wouldn't be able to do the same thing in the same situation. He hasn't got the practical experience that is required

(2)Tarzan has any chance at all is because of his knife and his rope, only reason he was able to defeat the ape was because using his human intellect he found a special move that is quite common in wrestling and by using that managed to almost strangle the ape.

(Seriously though, dont (1) and (2) contridict each other? )

Any thoughts on his points?

Also on batmans side besides

• -Martial Arts
• -Intelect
• -Experience fighting humans
• -Experience fighting stuff stronger than humans
• -Actual strength feats
• -Reation time feats
• -Feet Feats.

is gear. lets pick a random part of his body

His mask batman has Tear gas in it, an invisible-ish lock on it and a computer., the whole thing, including the face part, is bullet proof. And thats not all.

As for his other gear, we have:

• Batarangs,are throwing weapons relating to that of either boomarangs or shurikens in the shape of a bat. These can be used for many things such as cutting, immobilizing,etc.
• Bat-Darts: A form of tranquilizer darts specialized for the needs of Batman.
• Bat-Goo Gun: A handheld non-lethal firearm that projects a foam used to stick thugs to walls floors etc. .
• Bat-Lasso: A lasso to be thrown around the feet of an fleeing opponent.
• Bat Stungun: A knockout tool used by Batman to temporarily paralyze enemies.
• Flamethrower: A miniature flamethrower used on Bat-Bane.
• Flash-Bang Grenades: Grenades that release a device that temporarily impairs visionary and auditory capabilities to those near after detonation.
• Tear-Gas Pellets: Small capsules that release tear gas with the breaking of the outer shell.
• EMP Grenade: A small grenade which, once detonated, destroys all electronics within a seven foot radius.

• Acetylene Torch: A miniaturized laser cutting tool.
• Batclaw: A projectile similar to grappling guns, the Batclaw has a gripping claw attached to a line. Although it may seem smart, it is not recommended to be used to pull oneself up the side of a surface. This is used to pull objects towards oneself. The Batclaw has an upgrade which allows the user to project three lines at once known as the Ultra Batclaw.
• Bat-Cuffs: bat shaped Handcuffs made of a light-weight diamond-impregnated nylon overtop a steel core.
• Bat-Heater: A small bat-shaped tool used for heating or melting ice.
• Line Launcher: A device that shoots steel cables out from both sides. Used to repel across large gaps.
• Batrope: A light-weight, flexible rope usually attached to Batarangs used to slow the rate of descent during high jumps or falls.
• Bat-Saw: a portable saw used for cutting.
• Collapsible Bat-Sword: A sword similar to lightsabers used to cut through objects including steel.
• Grapple Gun or Bat-Grapple A projectile meant for use in scaling large surfaces. It may use a bat-shaped hook, or a simple magnetic end.
• Bat Bombs: Miniature explosives used to blow down doors or walls.
• Grapnel Gun: Similar to the bat grapple in design, but with a strong clamp and manually rewindable cable.
• Night Vission Bat-Goggles: A feature built into Batman's cowl using Starlite Infrared capable of seeing thermal output in dimmly-lit or non-lit scenarios.
• Rebreather: Used to breath under water.
• Thermite Grenades: A device used to burn through obstacles. Although it is called a Thermite, it is generally accepted as being a Thermate.

Do I really have to quote myself. I've already closed the book on this one.

At this point, it's time to end thread. Possibly for a lock up, before things get ugly.

There is really nothing else to discuss.

Punching through bazooka proof glass is no different to Captain America having similar feats and eh, punching through giant robots is pretty standard for New-52 Bats.

@easternwind:

A regular human, with martial arts cannot beat a tiger, or even tarzan really. But you REALLY dont get that you are saying TARZAN gets ALL his FEATS and gets to be super human.

But BATMAN has to be a normal guy with some martial arts.

That is called - Hypocrisy, special pleding, and double standards.

The reason I made this topic was because I thought it was obvious Tarzan is physically superior and more agile than Batman. The reason it's a balanced match up is because Batman has his tools and his suit, without them he'd be an easy kill. Also I actually said in the first topic book version of Tarzan.

If there was a book about Batman it'd be book Batman as well. A book version of Batman would have had to be more like Christopher Nolan's Batman than the comic books that let's face it are unrealistic. That video you posted actually looks like an average martial arts fighter going at it, he doesn't display Tarzan's strength or agility. He wouldn't last two seconds against any big cat if he can't beat the Bane that is in the movies.

It's not unfair to ignore some ridiculous comic book feats Batman has made since they are ridiculous. If we're going to be realistic about it we'd have to look at a Batman that is.

1. Great Martial artist
2. Very intelligent detective
3. Super soldier gear and gadgets

I'm afraid the only thing Batman really has going for him is his super soldier gear and gadgets, there's no prep in either of the scenarios. Physically he can't even compare himself to this:

In the novel, Tarzan is portrayed as the epitome of man as his separation from society, and it’s this social construction makes him stronger than other individuals displayed in the novel. This strength is shown through his physique, mental and emotional ability, and his personal essence. Burroughs created an exceptional example of a noble fierce male figure that has little character flaws, physically and emotionally. As a result of being raised in a great ape tribe, Tarzan's physique symbolized one of a god.

"His straight and perfect figure, muscled as the best of the ancient Roman gladiators must have been muscled, and yet with the soft and sinuous curves of a Greek god, told at a glance the wondrous combination of enormous strength with suppleness and speed."

In the novel, Tarzan is described as a Caucasian male who is extremely athletic, handsome, tanned, with grey eyes and long black hair. Tarzan's ability to swing on vines, sleep on branches and hid behind jungle brush allow his physical self to be conditioned in a way that is comparable to one of a Gods. The way he was raised not only shaped his physical sense, but also how he identified himself as an individual. Burroughs depicted society as stripping individuals from something completely human, their intimate relationship with nature.

Tarzan's removal from society, one where justice and punishment lives, allows him to make rational unbiased decisions. His relationship with nature enabled him to know the difference between right and wrong, and when to make a strategic move for his own self. Tarzan represents the essential, natural man. He depicts the true human essence that is inside every individual, but is repressed due to society.

And Tarzan isn't unrealistic, you can imagine a man would grow up with prehistoric apes and act like them and develop his strength in a way any other human would never have to do. As I said earlier it has happened before that humans have lived together with wolves and apes and they have always been exceptionally strong. Of course these people were always taken when they were young and the apes they spent their time with were modern apes not 2 meter tall gorillas.

Realistically Batman loses physically to Tarzan and what's true and realistic is unfortunately all I care about, that is why I put book version in the topic header because the book is very realistic. Batman would compensate for his physical inferiority by being suited up and using his tools in battle, that is why he will probably win in the third scenario. But overall Tarzan is simply more powerful. Here is an impressive passage from the book, would Bruce Wayne in his fancy suit be able to do the same?

Tarzan decided to follow the young man into the jungle and learn what his errand might be. He swung off rapidly in the direction taken by Clayton, and in a short time heard faintly in the distance the now only occasional calls of the Englishman to his friends.

Presently Tarzan came up with the white man, who, almost fagged, was leaning against a tree wiping the perspiration from his forehead. The ape-man, hiding safe behind a screen of foliage, sat watching this new specimen of his own race intently.

At intervals Clayton called aloud and finally it came to Tarzan that he was searching for the old man.

Tarzan was on the point of going off to look for them himself, when he caught the yellow glint of a sleek hide moving cautiously through the jungle toward Clayton.

It was Sheeta, the leopard. Now, Tarzan heard the soft bending of grasses and wondered why the young white man was not warned. Could it be he had failed to note the loud warning? Never before had Tarzan known Sheeta to be so clumsy.

No, the white man did not hear. Sheeta was crouching for the spring, and then, shrill and horrible, there rose from the stillness of the jungle the awful cry of the challenging ape, and Sheeta turned, crashing into the underbrush.

Clayton came to his feet with a start. His blood ran cold. Never in all his life had so fearful a sound smote upon his ears. He was no coward; but if ever man felt the icy fingers of fear upon his heart, William Cecil Clayton, eldest son of Lord Greystoke of England, did that day in the fastness of the African jungle.

The noise of some great body crashing through the underbrush so close beside him, and the sound of that bloodcurdling shriek from above, tested Clayton's courage to the limit; but he could not know that it was to that very voice he owed his life, nor that the creature who hurled it forth was his own cousin--the real Lord Greystoke.

To Tarzan's surprise the young man was heading further into the jungle in the general direction of Mbonga's village, and the shrewd young ape-man was convinced that he was lost.

To Tarzan this was scarcely incomprehensible; his judgment told him that no man would venture toward the village of the cruel blacks armed only with a spear which, from the awkward way in which he carried it, was evidently an unaccustomed weapon to this white man. Nor was he following the trail of the old men. That, they had crossed and left long since, though it had been fresh and plain before Tarzan's eyes.

Tarzan was perplexed. The fierce jungle would make easy prey of this unprotected stranger in a very short time if he were not guided quickly to the beach.

Yes, there was Numa, the lion, even now, stalking the white man a dozen paces to the right.

Clayton heard the great body paralleling his course, and now there rose upon the evening air the beast's thunderous roar. The man stopped with upraised spear and faced the brush from which issued the awful sound. The shadows were deepening, darkness was settling in.

God! To die here alone, beneath the fangs of wild beasts; to be torn and rended; to feel the hot breath of the brute on his face as the great paw crushed down up his breast!

For a moment all was still. Clayton stood rigid, with raised spear. Presently a faint rustling of the bush apprised him of the stealthy creeping of the thing behind. It was gathering for the spring. At last he saw it, not twenty feet away--the long, lithe, muscular body and tawny head of a huge black-maned lion.

The beast was upon its belly, moving forward very slowly. As its eyes met Clayton's it stopped, and deliberately, cautiously gathered its hind quarters behind it.

In agony the man watched, fearful to launch his spear, powerless to fly.

He heard a noise in the tree above him. Some new danger, he thought, but he dared not take his eyes from the yellow green orbs before him. There was a sharp twang as of a broken banjo-string, and at the same instant an arrow appeared in the yellow hide of the crouching lion.

With a roar of pain and anger the beast sprang; but, somehow, Clayton stumbled to one side, and as he turned again to face the infuriated king of beasts, he was appalled at the sight which confronted him. Almost simultaneously with the lion's turning to renew the attack a half-naked giant dropped from the tree above squarely on the brute's back.

With lightning speed an arm that was banded layers of iron muscle encircled the huge neck, and the great beast was raised from behind, roaring and pawing the air--raised as easily as Clayton would have lifted a pet dog.

The scene he witnessed there in the twilight depths of the African jungle was burned forever into the Englishman's brain.

The man before him was the embodiment of physical perfection and giant strength; yet it was not upon these he depended in his battle with the great cat, for mighty as were his muscles, they were as nothing by comparison with Numa's. To his agility, to his brain and to his long keen knife he owed his supremacy.

His right arm encircled the lion's neck, while the left hand plunged the knife time and again into the unprotected side behind the left shoulder. The infuriated beast, pulled up and backwards until he stood upon his hind legs, struggled impotently in this unnatural position.

Had the battle been of a few seconds' longer duration the outcome might have been different, but it was all accomplished so quickly that the lion had scarce time to recover from the confusion of its surprise ere it sank lifeless to the ground.

Then the strange figure which had vanquished it stood erect upon the carcass, and throwing back the wild and handsome head, gave out the fearsome cry which a few moments earlier had so startled Clayton.

• -Martial Arts (Tarzan wins)
• -Intellect (Batman wins)
• -Experience fighting humans (Batman wins)
• -Experience fighting stuff stronger than humans (Tarzan wins)
• -Actual strength feats (Tarzan wins)
• -Reaction time feats (Tarzan wins)
• -Feet Feats. (Tarzan wins)

But Batman's experience fighting humans won't really matter, since Tarzan wouldn't be fighting as a human. It's like trying to use jiujitsu on a basketball player, it wouldn't work. All Batman has going for him are his tools and his suit, won't do him much good in the jungle though. Yes he has a lot of tools and those would no doubt he use in the third scenario that is why I'm willing to give him that round, but there is no question about it that without those he'd easily get man handled by Tarzan and I'd say even with his suit.

Batman stomps. Mismatch. Complaining about how comic book humans are far more formidable than real humans doesn't change the fact that this is a mismatch.