Surfer & Sentry vs. Superman & MMH

VS.

• Bloodlust : On
• Sentry stabile mind
• Sups & MMH ; Pre52 - New52 both

SS solos.

POWER COSMIC SUCKERSSSSSSSSSSS!!!

MARVEL WINS

And he's not even his team's MVP.

Not fair at all

Team 1 pretty easily.

Either character could possibly solo.

MMH and Superman.

Sentry is a weak link and will be taken out by Superman as MMH holds off Silver Surfer. Once he's done with Sentry, Superman will assist his teammate and together they'll clinch the win. SS can't beat both of them at once.

@buttersdaman000: no

A stable minded Sentry would stomp Superman with either his TP or matter manipulation or energy manipulation.

Sentry and SS for the easy win.

Nope. Ignoring the fact that most of his 'stable' mind feats are based solely on conjecture, bloodlust is on here. That mean Superman is on Sentry like white on rice before he can even react. There's no point arguing MM or TP, when the speed difference is so clear.

I dont see why either a bloodlusted stable sentry or a bloodlusted SS can't solo this is a mismatch

@buttersdaman000: first of all fastest here is SS second of all sentry is not excatly slow he can keep up with them, third of all he can regenerate almost instantaneously Do you know anything about sentry?

First of all, SS and Superman are as fast as each other. Second of all, MMH is the second fastest with Sentry coming dead last. Third of all, his regeneration doesn't stop him from getting KOed. Fourth of all, I know enough about Sentry to come to this conclusion. What do you know about Superman and MMH?

Also, FYI, do not use anything from the Molecule Man fight to illustrate how powerful you think Sentry is. That's clear PIS. Molecule Man is leagues above everyone in this thread.

@buttersdaman000: alot and neither of them have that good protection agaisnt molecular minipulation, supermans TP defence has never been the greatest and combat speed theres not much difference and he dosent get KO he just regens straught away and speed isnt everything, void= stable sentry void wrecked inhumans,avengers,FF4,some x men,dr strange all ay once and ur saying that just MMH and supes could beat him?

Sentry can regenerate completely from being disintegrated on an atomic level. Superman isn't hurting this guy.

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Sentry should be able to crush both MMH and Superman with his matter manipulation and SS has a whole host of ways to destroy team 2, plus SS is way faster than anyone on team 2.

Supes is basically a non-factor.

And MMH isn't even CLOSE to enough to stop both Sentry and SS.

Team 1. Big time.

Jmarshmallow

@buttersdaman000: surfer is a lot faster than anyone in this fight

Anyway surfer solos.

Sentry and superman being the weakest ones here.

What molecular manipulation feats does he have? Same goes for TP feats? I have a decent knowledge on Sentry. The feats, or lack thereof, I have in mind do not pose a threat to Superman. Also, speed kind of is everything and there's a big enough difference between the two to capitalize on it. Sentry's combat and reaction speed is simply not on Superman's level. Also, he can be KOed. He may be immune to death due to regen, but not a KO. And for all Void was hyped up to be, Thor put up a hell of a fight against him....not even fighting to his best abilities to boot.

Probably team 1.

@eternityx:

How does that stop him from being KOed? Being able to reform your body does not stop you from being hurt. MMH has far superior control over his body yet he can still be hurt. Also, SS is not faster than Superman, they are even. And what 'host' of ways does he have to put down team 2? Despite what everyone says, Superman does not easily fall to energy absorption or red sunlight, and to combat the TP, we have MMH.

How is Superman a non-factor?

No he isn't and he def. does not solo.

Morals off Surfer solos tbh coming from a DC fan here.

Void would curbstomp all 3 combined here and then some.

The guy defeated Molecule Man who did this.

Also, you seem to be hyping up Thor quite a lot.

Here we can see that Void tanks his best shots without so much as getting a scratch he then overpowers Thor pretty easily and it's Bob who has to hold the Void back to give Thor time to finish him off, of course we learn later that this didn't finish the Void off and that he left Sentry because he got bored of regenerating from a single atom in the Sun.

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@buttersdaman000: what the hell.

1. Surfer is millions of times faster than light, and reacts at light speed.

2. He can beat all other 3 members here without trouble. Superman? Drained and one shorted. MMH? Surfer stops his intangibility and one shots.

@buttersdaman000: Surfer drains Supes energy, and Sentry wins just by being all around superior in every way.

And if this is DS Sentry?!? Forget about it.

Jmarshmallow

Yes, I read siege...doesn't change the fact that Thor wasn't fighting his best....also Void was taken out by the hellicarrier...

So does Superman......???

Draining Superman and one-shotting him? Stopping MMH intangibility and one-shitting him? Ok...no. For one, Superman does not just lose his powers as quickly as you seem to think unless PIS is involved. I'm curious how you think SS will stop MMH's telepathy as well. And a one shot isn't happening at all, for either of them, considering the fact that all of them take hits from beings far physically stronger than SS

Sentry isn't superior.

Surfer isn't just going to drain Superman's energy. Do you think Superman will just sit there?

I agree that DS Sentry would beat Superman though

Team 1 stomps. Superman is (for once) the weak link

@buttersdaman000: You tend not to be able to move much when you're being weakened.

And as for Supes vs. Sentry, only basic Sentry would be a good matchup for Clark. Every other version would WRECK him.

Jmarshmallow

Not true....I can post scans of Superman being weakened by Red Sun energy while flying through Space. I can post scans of him by blasted by red sun rays, continuing to fight, and immediately regaining energy when back in daylight. I can post scans of him fighting with Kryptonite running through his body as well.

And no, I disagree. Stable mind sentry is a character based on conjecture. People just think he should be all powerful with not feats to back it up. Where are all of his molecular manipulation feats (besides the MM fight)? Where are his telepathic feats?

DS Sentry would win because he completely manhandled Thor

People still wank the hell out of Surfer I see.....

LOL @ him soloing.

Silver Surfer and Sentry would win, each one could solo.

It's only PIS if there are clear contradictions to that characters power levels, that didn't contradict Void's power levels at all, he's never had any low showings to suggest that he should lose to MM, also what was MM supposed to do to him? He'd already disintegrated Void 3 times to no success. It was pretty clear that the Void was just more powerful.

"Yes, I read siege...doesn't change the fact that Thor wasn't fighting his best....also Void was taken out by the hellicarrier..."

Ok, now you're just trolling, I've uploaded the scans and it shows that after the Helicarrier hit the Void, Bob had to hold him back, the Void was still ready to continue.

BTW I love the excuses about how Thor wasn't fighting at his best, even though the Void wasn't just fighting Thor, he was fighting the Avengers as well and Loki with the Norn stones (Who, by the way, got torn apart by the Void)

And DC isn't wanked lol.

Don't humor him, just look at his name.

Nope....it's PIS if the feat if it's plot induced stupidity....but anyways, there are contradictions because Sentry never showed that level of power again. IIRC he never he manipulated molecules after that fight. Voids molecular manipulation usually went as far as shapeshifitng and regeneration...something that MMH also. So, like I said, PIS. And also, it's not the fact that Sentry was able to regenerate himself, it's his defeat of MM that is PIS. I never said that Sentry couldn't regenerate.

Wow, people just love to throw around trolling nowadays. I don't agree with your stance so you accuse me of trolling? I could say the same to you. Yes, you uploaded the scans...so what? Void was still taken out by a hellicarrier. It doesn't matter that he started to regain control afterwards. What matters is that the hellicarier was enough to revert him back to Bob (i.e Void was taken out by a Hellicarrier).

And nope, Thor seemed to be jobbing. By feats, Thor is superior (except in combat speed). As we see, apparently his hits aren't as forceful as the explosion of an aircraft...so.....

Superman solos

No...

lol, what?

Surfer and Sentry win

@eternityx:

And now the scan purge begins....

First of all, most of your speed scans are travel speed feats. I don't feel like going through scans just to debate travel speed, but you should know that Superman is also capable of moving light years in seconds.

As for perception/combat speeds....He's able to notice Barry Allen running at light speed+, trace command signals at light speed, operate within nanoseconds, fight in blurs, leave after images, and so forth.

As for creating kryptonite, it's not plausible. It doesn't even exist in the Marvel U. Still, it's not like Superman automatically falls in it's presence. I already told the other guy that red sunlight won't automatically put Superman down .....actually...why am I debating for Superman? I know that he would beat Superman..(but he isn't a non-factor).....however, he can't beat Superman and Martian Manhunter.

I really don't feel like getting into a Superman vs SS debate with someone who only has a scan based knowledge of the character....

And you created a strawman because...?

Also, I don't care about either DC or Marvel. I rarely if ever debate in comics threads anymore at all these days.

So I give you sly remark 0/10...try harder next time.

LOL @ this. If you're going to try to attack someone credibility (as if you're in a prime position to do so *eye roll*) you should at least know a thing or two about them.

Trying to do so using my username is more outdated then the Steady State Theory.