#1 Edited by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@myrmidonhero Team Martial Artists

  • Ryu (Street Fighter)
  • Richard Dragon
  • Taskmaster

@cadencev2 Team Sharpshooters

  • Roland Gilead (Six Shooters, Skolpadda, Demon Jawbone, Oy, Knife)
  • Liara T'soni (Biotics, Carnifex, Scoirpion, Armour)
  • Ultimate Hawkeye (Bow, Arrows, All Trick Arrows, HEs Handguns, All Trick Ammo)

Rules:

  • In character
  • Win by Death, KO, BFR, or Incapacitation
  • Team Chemistry does come into play
  • No Prep
  • All DC Characters are Pre-52, but Post-52 Feats can be used in most cases
  • All Marvel Characters are Current unless otherwise specified
  • Standard Gear unless otherwise specified
  • Location is unpopulated (Except by mannequins)
  • Factory is a one-story square 0.3 miles by 0.3 miles.
  • Contestants start at opposite ends.
#2 Edited by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio
#3 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@esquire: did not it was even up lol. Be on it as soon as I can.

#4 Edited by myrmidonhero (61 posts) - - Show Bio

Same lol.

#5 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@myrmidonhero:

in this tight quarters, i will have to have Liara through up the good old Singularity and Hawkeye use his 1 Nuke Arrow with its 15 foot raduis of instant death. This will obliterate your team with the first volley. Any attempt to avoid it by running out of the AOE into a corner equals to shooting fish in a barrel scenario.

#6 Edited by myrmidonhero (61 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2

That's assuming the singularity can make it beyond all the mannequins and tables in the factory as biotics can't go through objects (with the exception of Shockwave which Liara does not have access too) and cannot be tightly controlled after firing off (aside from wide curved shots, in any case ANY object can set off the biotic ability in flight). Taskmaster will just shoot down Hawkeye's Arrow in mid flight since he's already got Hawkeye's accuracy and trick shot capabilities (not prep since Taskmaster has already acquired these skills long ago) causing the Nuke to go off prematurely and devastate your crew for an instant KO to your own team. Barring an instant KO to your own team, Ryu can just fire off volley after volley of Shakunetsu Hadokens setting your entire side of the factory aflame starting in front of your team and working his way back to bring fire in from all around your team. Richard Dragon will just hurl mannequins into the air to catch Liara's biotics in mid-flight when she fires them off while the team moves between various tables and mannequins for cover. Taskmaster will keep Hawkeye locked down shot for shot while Ryu burns down your entire half of the factory with flame hadokens and Richard will keep tossing objects to block your shots. Your team may never get hit, but they will either burn to death or pass out from smoke inhalation.

#7 Edited by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio
#8 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@myrmidonhero said:

@cadencev2

That's assuming the singularity can make it beyond all the mannequins and tables in the factory as biotics can't go through objects (with the exception of Shockwave which Liara does not have access too) and cannot be tightly controlled after firing off (aside from wide curved shots, in any case ANY object can set off the biotic ability in flight). Taskmaster will just shoot down Hawkeye's Arrow in mid flight since he's already got Hawkeye's accuracy and trick shot capabilities (not prep since Taskmaster has already acquired these skills long ago) causing the Nuke to go off prematurely and devastate your crew for an instant KO to your own team. Barring an instant KO to your own team, Ryu can just fire off volley after volley of Shakunetsu Hadokens setting your entire side of the factory aflame starting in front of your team and working his way back to bring fire in from all around your team. Richard Dragon will just hurl mannequins into the air to catch Liara's biotics in mid-flight when she fires them off while the team moves between various tables and mannequins for cover. Taskmaster will keep Hawkeye locked down shot for shot while Ryu burns down your entire half of the factory with flame hadokens and Richard will keep tossing objects to block your shots. Your team may never get hit, but they will either burn to death or pass out from smoke inhalation.

You have as much chance off stopping the Singularity as these Mercs in Body armor.

Which is None. It is a Mini Black Hole and has never been shot out of the sky by Weapons much less a arrow.

Also there is not a whole lot in this battlefield to stop the Singularity. Infact everything in this room will be sucked in it taking away most of your cover.

Also how will the Nuke go off Premature? Do you know how a Nuke works? Obviously not. Nuke Weapons are Electronically or Chemical Triggered, you cannot blow one up like a explosive barrel of Gunpowder.

Also a sad fact is both Roland and Ult. Hawkeye are way better shots than your 616 Hawkeye (Task Master using) by miles.

Ryu cannot do crap when Liara can force a Barrier Up.

Or Stasis Ryu with a instant move!

skip to 1:00.

stasis will freeze Ryu for 20 seconds making this a 3 on 2 match.

I am too lazy to take the Time to post this so here is Roland Respect Thread on all his Acuracy and Speed.

Click here.

As for Ultimate Hawkeye, he has actual Super Powers in Super Speed called the Twitch Factor and Enhance Eyes.

He can Rapid Fire along with Roland to the point where your team cannot dodge it all. This is after the Singualrity and Nuke Combo first ofcourse which in itself is a instant win.

#9 Posted by myrmidonhero (61 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2 Didn't say a Singularity would be shot down, said it could be prematurely detonated/blocked (that scan of one is not Liara BTW that's Aria) It doesn't suck up anything at all, it causes things to float around by pulling them towards it's center in order to be shot at and then creates a dispersal shockwave sending objects flying. The singularity itself does little damage on it's own (beat all three games numerous times and it is merely used for pulling objects together so you can shoot them all up before they get sent flying).

If Liara throws up a barrier (according to your comic scan) she can not act while holding it up at all so she's out of the fight as long as the barrier is up. Biotics are based on line-of-sight, if the Singularity orb hits an object before it reaches the caster's destination, then it goes off prematurely just like every other biotic move or is rendered completely useless (the exception again is the actual move "Shockwave" which can go through solid matter and Liara can not use that move).

Same with Stasis. You're video shows how Beneziah can use it on someone who is standing out in the open, not someone who is behind cover (which makes the move useless unless you use the "bubble version" which you obviously aren't here. Can't use both versions as biotics are always tailored to one style or another, not both. Biotics also have a "cool down" period after firing off, so Liara won't be firing off much very quickly here. When one move wears out, she'll have just recovered enough to fire off another biotic shot.

As for your "Nuke Arrow" it gets shot down. No matter how good Ult Hawkeye is once the arrow is loosed normal Hawkeye or Taskmaster could shoot it down. Ult. Hawkeye's accuracy doesn't mean anything to the arrow after he's loosed it and his accuracy doesn't change it's speed. Unless he can trick shot that arrow (which he can't) once it's airborne, it's shot down. Hawkeye's special twitch powers don't make arrows fly faster. Their speed is determined by the draw of his bow.

And since you get to use comic editions and game editions of characters and their moves, does that mean I can do the same with mine? If so I have a list of feats for Ryu outside of the core SF games that pretty much ends this fight in one shot also. Things like Optic Blast or greater sized Hadokens, Evil Ryu instant transformations making him move faster than any of your characters could see (With the exception of Ultimate Hawkeye most likely) as well as bullet proof and he's survived fists through the chest, fought on the moon, fixed a moon sized fissure with a punch... There is quite a list for me to use if we're going outside the games here.

So like I said, Richard can easily toss Mannequins to stop Biotics, Taskmaster can easily shoot down flying arrows (regardless of whether or not it will cause an early detonation, the Nuke is taken out of the picture in any case) and Ryu can spam the crud out of flaming hadokens and your team will either burn to death or suffocate, whichever comes first after Liara's barrier falls from her exhaustion. In either case he could switch to vacuum hadokens or electric ones if we're still going by game lore here. Otherwise I have a mountain leveling Hadoken he could use right at the start.

The giant metal tables and mannequins will provide more than enough random cover from Hawkeye's remaining arrows as well as Roland's bullets.

#10 Posted by laflux (17548 posts) - - Show Bio

ha liara does the kamehameha :P

#11 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@myrmidonhero:

Didn't say a Singulrity would be shot down, said it could be prematurely detonated/blocked (that scan of one is not Liara BTW that's Aria) It doesn't suck up anything at all, it causes things to float around by pulling them towards it's center in order to be shot at and then creates a dispersal shockwave sending objects flying. The singularity itself does little damage on it's own (beat all three games numerous times and it is merely used for pulling objects together so you can shoot them all up before they get sent flying).

Yes that is Aria, I think the Purple skin and tatoos is a give away. The point was her showing of the Singularity. Also it does does suck up.

Key word here... DRAWN into it. It sucks.

Also the singularity does damage. If you played the games (As you claim) then you would know this.

Wow it does damage.... like Aria's did. Go figure......

According to the Game Mechanics, it does little damage to keep it balance. In the Comics, it can rend people apart like the Mini Black Hole it is.

Kamehameha!!!!!!!

If Liara throws up a barrier (according to your comic scan) she can not act while holding it up at all so she's out of the fight as long as the barrier is up. Biotics are based on line-of-sight, if the Singularity orb hits an object before it reaches the caster's destination, then it goes off prematurely just like every other biotic move or is rendered completely useless (the exception again is the actual move "Shockwave" which can go through solid matter and Liara can not use that move).

.... no.... Liara in that scan is using her Barrier to hold back hundreds of Tons of Ocean Pressure and 1000s of Gallons of Ocean Water. That is her best Barrier Feat.

Here she uses Barrier and easily is still in the fight.

As seen vs this Inhuman in speed Phantom, Liara throws up her Barrier, and then uses her Biotic Power to TK a kill! All with her Barrier up.

Bamsky.

As fo LIS (Line of Sight) yes Biotis are base on this. However if you played the game, the sigularity does not need to target a foe. I have many times use it to hit the roof above a foe in cover, it sucks the foe from above.

Its called tactics. Something Liara uses.

Same with Stasis. You're video shows how Beneziah can use it on someone who is standing out in the open, not someone who is behind cover (which makes the move useless unless you use the "bubble version" which you obviously aren't here. Can't use both versions as biotics are always tailored to one style or another, not both. Biotics also have a "cool down" period after firing off, so Liara won't be firing off much very quickly here. When one move wears out, she'll have just recovered enough to fire off another biotic shot.

I can Stasis you fire in this Battlefield. There is no solid Cover ANYWHERE in this match. Some foam models and some aluminum tables. Thats it! How are you hiding or staying out of sight?

What keeps Roland from blowing holes in you thru the bendable metal? Or Hawkeye who has his .45 Hand Guns?

You have no real cover here. Also the moment Ryu charges for a Hadoken is the moment he is frozen by Liara.

Liara when Biotic up is faster than Ryu by miles!

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When Biotic up she can speed blitz and dodge Hyper Speed Mass Acceleration Rifles while putting down 4 Mercs!

Point is she can react to anything Ryu does.

As for your "Nuke Arrow" it gets shot down. No matter how good Ult Hawkeye is once the arrow is loosed normal Hawkeye or Taskmaster could shoot it down.

Prove it. Your talking straight nonsense since Tack Master or 616 Hawkeye have never shot arrows out of the air. So your purely speculating on hitting a target moving at 420 FPS.

Prove it.

Ult. Hawkeye's accuracy doesn't mean anything to the arrow after he's loosed it and his accuracy doesn't change it's speed. Unless he can trick shot that arrow (which he can't) once it's airborne, it's shot down. Hawkeye's special twitch powers don't make arrows fly faster. Their speed is determined by the draw of his bow.

Its hard to shoot a 420 FPS arrow when you have gunfire from Roland who moves and fires 3 times faster than the Fastest Gunslinger on record.

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Speed

First lets look at Speed Feats. Roland Speed with his Revolvers and hands is described as Supernatural, Preternatural, and Blinding.

Scan 1: Roland speed to fast to see. Dark Tower

Scan 2: Roland Speed again with his back turn. Dark Tower

Scan 3: Roland dying of a fever moves too fast for human thought and described as fast as Blue Summer Lightning. Drawing of Three

Scan 4: Rolands Blinding speed again. Wizard and Glass

Scan 5: Rolands Supernatural Speed in reloading on horse back and galloping. Wizard and Glass

Scan 6: Roland Reloads with in human speed while dodging a mob. The Gunslinger

Scan 7: Roland reloads with a guy aiming at him with his teeth super fast. Drawing of Three

Scan 8: Description of Cuthbert speed and Roland is twice as fast according to Cuthbert and Alain.

Scan 9: Eddie Dean (Cuthbert reborn) drops down as Roland shoots 3 shots faster than he can think. The Wastelands

Scan 10: Roland as a child showed faster reaction and hand speed than other train gunslingers.

Roland easily quick draws and fires 2 rounds thru the same hole in Jonas head. Jonas was a well known Quick Draw and train Gunslinger.

Roland kills 8 Desert Dogs that charge him from all sides and only 10 feet away!

Here Roland reacts and kills 5 Vampire Sucker Bats near instantly.

.

Or Liara launching Biotic attacks and firing her Explosive Scorpion Handgun!

Your outgun and out speed.

And since you get to use comic editions and game editions of characters and their moves, does that mean I can do the same with mine?

Only if they are cannon. All ME comics are Cannon to the Main Story Line of the Game.

If so I have a list of feats for Ryu outside of the core SF games that pretty much ends this fight in one shot also. Things like Optic Blast or greater sized Hadokens, Evil Ryu instant transformations making him move faster than any of your characters could see (With the exception of Ultimate Hawkeye most likely) as well as bullet proof and he's survived fists through the chest, fought on the moon, fixed a moon sized fissure with a punch... There is quite a list for me to use if we're going outside the games here.

If it is cannon to the character. Reason people do not debate SF or MK on this sight is because the Cannon issues are all different In other words, there is barely any feats that are cannon.

Of course all this would break the Tourney rules if you use Ryu who busts mountains, so go ahead.

So like I said, Richard can easily toss Mannequins to stop Biotics,

Taskmaster can easily shoot down flying arrows (regardless of whether or not it will cause an early detonation, the Nuke is taken out of the picture in any case)

and Ryu can spam the crud out of flaming hadokens and your team will either burn to death or suffocate,

whichever comes first after Liara's barrier falls from her exhaustion. In either case he could switch to vacuum hadokens or electric ones if we're still going by game lore here.

Otherwise I have a mountain leveling Hadoken he could use right at the start.

The time it takes to Tossing Foam People <<<<< Guns, Biotics, and Arrows.

You need to prove that or it is all talk.

Doubt it when he is in stasis.

Doubt it as her Barriers can withstand Deep Ocean Pressure. Ryu is not escaping Stasis or Singularity.

That be breaking the Tourney Rules from the start, but OK.

The giant metal tables and mannequins will provide more than enough random cover from Hawkeye's remaining arrows as well as Roland's bullets.

You mean those Giant Aluminum cheap *** Tables that my Bullets will go through with ease?

I win this for the following reasons....

1) I have Range attacks that are far superior to yours.

2) I have abilities you have no counter for.

3) I have actual defense in Barriers to your Aluminum Tables.

4) All my guys are faster than Peak Human Speed where all yours are Peak Human Speed.

I win.

#12 Edited by myrmidonhero (61 posts) - - Show Bio

<p>Arrows only fly as fast as the bow allows that's a fact. The only difference between normal Hawkeye and Ultimate Hawkeye are his twitch reflexes and better sight. Their accuracy is the same, one just reacts faster than the other.</p><p>Taskmaster could easily perform this feat by performing the skill in fast forward which he has done numerous times, he's even fast enough to catch bullets in his hand. The arrows get shot down.</p><p>Prove to me that Ultimate Hawkeye is actually a better shot than normal Hawkeye, not just a faster reacting one. I have never seen Ultimate Hawkeye make any trickier shot than normal Clint couldn't also perform. He's a quicker draw, that's all. (Though I did read about him killing a guy with his fingernails gross lol).</p><p>Singularity does damage but it doesn't remove enemies from the field like a normal black hole would and it's range is limited. You say "suck" I say "pull" in either case all it accomplishes is pulling objects off the ground temporarily.</p><p>Liara also can't rapid fire biotics nor could any biotic, they have to take breathers between shots because it exhausts them.</p><p>Using a barrier, no matter how big still causes the user to be immobile. It's like reverse stasis, she can't move while she's protecting everyone with it.

She also can't beef up her physical abilities while firing off her other biotic abilities.

</p><p>The scorpion projectiles are also slower moving and have a time delay, not as difficult to dodge.</p><p>Roland is the quickest draw in the west, that doesn't mean his bullets somehow fly faster or harder, it means he can shoot more of them. All 3 of my characters can dodge bullets.</p><p>It doesn't actually take Ryu that long to fire of a Hadoken. They fire as fast as he can move.</p><p>In either case, go to vote ^^.</p>

#13 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
#14 Posted by myrmidonhero (61 posts) - - Show Bio

@esquire ready for voting bud. ^^

#15 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

Open for Voting!

#16 Edited by myrmidonhero (61 posts) - - Show Bio
#17 Edited by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio
#18 Posted by iamthewolf88 (346 posts) - - Show Bio

I honestly don't know that much about Cadencev2's team.... there were only a few things said that made his team seem slightly better, but they were countered very well by myrmidonhero. In fact, convincingly so.

I think that myrmidonhero's team has what it takes to pull off the win.

#19 Edited by Dredeuced (5835 posts) - - Show Bio

My vote tentatively goes to cadence, though Liara being able to hold hundreds of tons of water pressure seems to violate the 1ton TK rule.

#20 Edited by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio
#21 Posted by oceanmaster21 (8768 posts) - - Show Bio

my vote goest cadnecev2 but good job to both

#22 Posted by Lvenger (21201 posts) - - Show Bio

Myrmidonhero did offer a solid argument for his martial artist team being able to deflect and use the environment to his team's advantage but honestly the environment this is set in coupled with Cadence's rapid fire tactics and biotic support (I really need to play this game from the way Cadence describes it) means I give my vote to @cadencev2:

#23 Edited by Strider92 (16837 posts) - - Show Bio

You both did a great job but I have to go with Cadence. This was pretty close though.

#24 Posted by Sovereign91001 (5015 posts) - - Show Bio
#25 Posted by dondave (38892 posts) - - Show Bio
#26 Edited by Juiceboks (10725 posts) - - Show Bio

Both did great but Cadence's explanations and use of evidence to back his claims gave it away to me. I vote him.

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#27 Edited by DeathSamurai (537 posts) - - Show Bio

Cadence gets my vote

#28 Posted by 18hunt (2948 posts) - - Show Bio

Cadence, but I like the matchup!

#29 Edited by Dextersinister (6510 posts) - - Show Bio

Myrmidon gets my vote, he pointed out that he was using a scan of Aria using a singularity as a feat fro Liara which is completely different from the effect of her singularity.

#30 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

CadenceV2 wins this one, it looks like. Great job by Myrmidonhero, though!

#31 Edited by myrmidonhero (61 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2 Congratulations, good luck on your next match bud ^^. Thanks to all who voted for me ^^.