- Fight takes place in the JLA Watchtower - Hulk/Superman are being mind controlled and perceive enemy team as responsible party. - No prep teams start 50 feet apart. - Who Wins? How Why?
Superman and Hulk take this. Hercules isn't even his pre-CW self anymore. Captain Marvel is really the only one that stands a chance but Superman can stalemate him while current Hulk demolishes the team.
Captain Marvel and Zatanna should take care of Superman
and the rest should hold their own with Red Tornado, Wonderman, Namor, and Hercules
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Superman can blitz Zatanna before she even thinks about using a spell. Captain Marvel will get pushed aside temporarily. Hulk will STOMP current Herc, Namor, and wonderman. Do you think the entire team minus Captain Marvel will survive a heat vision from Supes at full power?
Team 1. Superman speed blitz everyone but CM, who the Hulk can hold off briefly. Afterwards, it's a two on one, with Supes being at least even w/ CM. No one on that team has the strength and durability that supes has, let alone the speed. Same with hulk on the strength/durability side
Hate to bet against the Hulk, but gonna go with team 2 here. There's a lot of magical power on the team, and four of them are class 100 in strength (plus Carol Danvers is in the 90 ton range, much more if her Binary powers manifest).
Photon solo... She will just drian both... They can't touch her and she is light-speeder. WWHulk would be crushed by her, Superman will be just defeated.
" Photon solo... She will just drian both... They can't touch her and she is light-speeder. WWHulk would be crushed by her, Superman will be just defeated. "
Team Wins 2. Cpt Marvel can hold off Supes while Herc, Wonder Man, And Ms Marvel plus any necessary fodder/distractions take down WWH. Then they focus their attention on a worn out Superman. Its only a matter of time
" Photon solo... She will just drian both... They can't touch her and she is light-speeder. WWHulk would be crushed by her, Superman will be just defeated. "
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Yes. Punching living energy? It can't hurt her, so they can't her. She is light speeder. So speed is non factor betwen her and Supe. She can drain energy, a specially light energy. So Supe will drained and then attacked with different kind of energy and puttted down. WWHulk can't do anytihng to her, but can be taken down by her attacks.
Billy will give Supes pain cos they are near equals in power leevls and Superman has that weakness to magic. Jack of Hearts might give them trouble, yes he's not as tuff but he's a powerful energy drainer and has soloed an enraged Hulk and She Hulk at the same time by sucking the gamma energy from them
Monica (Photon) is a problem cos she's pure energy
@turoksonofstone said:
" @czarny_samael: Photon was Defeated by Savage Hulk in Hulk #300 along with the FF, Powerman & Iron Fist, and the Avengers. "
Most of Hulk's wins are PIS or a bucket of crap to please Hulk fanboys, he's got a massive jobber aura like Batman & Wolverine
Billy will give Supes pain cos they are near equals in power leevls and Superman has that weakness to magic. Jack of Hearts might give them trouble, yes he's not as tuff but he's a powerful energy drainer and has soloed an enraged Hulk and She Hulk at the same time by sucking the gamma energy from them
Monica (Photon) is a problem cos she's pure energy
@turoksonofstone said:
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@czarny_samael:
Photon was Defeated by Savage Hulk in Hulk #300 along with the FF, Powerman & Iron Fist, and the Avengers.
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Most of Hulk's wins are PIS or a bucket of crap to please Hulk fanboys, he's got a massive jobber aura like Batman & Wolverine
Excuse me? I don't go saying you a fucken anime nerd and yet you post that for me posting my opinion? Not to mention you downplay Hulk when he clearly defeated Photon before. Superman will do it easier. After all, they have plot power and fanwank.
Team 2. Captain Marvel matches up with Supes, the rest of the team can handle WWH.
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The team cannot hande current Hulk (Whom is more powerful than WW Hulk). They get stomped by him. "
Pre Chaos Herc, Wonder Man, and Ms Marvel could handle WWH at the same time. Maybe not beat him but hold their own. Now throw in the rest of the team who are no pushovers and they can beat him. After they do they turn their attention to Supes...
Team 2. Captain Marvel matches up with Supes, the rest of the team can handle WWH.
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The team cannot hande current Hulk (Whom is more powerful than WW Hulk). They get stomped by him.
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Pre Chaos Herc, Wonder Man, and Ms Marvel could handle WWH at the same time. Maybe not beat him but hold their own. Now throw in the rest of the team who are no pushovers and they can beat him. After they do they turn their attention to Supes...
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PC Herc lost to World War Hulk. Ms Marvel and Wonderman don't come close to current Hulk whom is essentially world breaker now. Hulk can just thunderclap them and they die or just smash them with his vastly superior strength. As for Photon, current Hulk has more cosmic energy than Silver Surfer (Doom implied this and that's why he prefers Hulk) and Hulk, heck, even Banner can now absorb energy. Hulk easily manhandles the team.
" Excuse me? I don't go saying you a fucken anime nerd and yet you post that for me posting my opinion? Not to mention you downplay Hulk when he clearly defeated Photon before. Superman will do it easier. After all, they have plot power and fanwank. "
Dude 'sundip' is a stupid answer I'd expect from a fanboy. Vine battle rules don't allow you to leave the fight. If Superman sundips he KO's himself, its a vine rule. You can not leave the battle field, if he does he kills himself with a ring out. You can't leave the ring There's also another reason they don't allow people to leave the ring, Red Skull would be running away to come back with a Cube, Luthor would run off and come back with a toy gun, Doom would teleport out and come back with a reality altering gimzo and vine battle debates would get ridiculous. Superman can not leave the arena to power himself, no character can do it unless it states in the battle topic they have been give 1 HOUR PREP etc. Characters can not just randomly leave during a fight for a power up no matter how much some of you fans want it to happen
Excuse me? I don't go saying you a fucken anime nerd and yet you post that for me posting my opinion? Not to mention you downplay Hulk when he clearly defeated Photon before. Superman will do it easier. After all, they have plot power and fanwank.
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Dude 'sundip' is a stupid answer I'd expect from a fanboy. Vine battle rules don't allow you to leave the fight. If Superman sundips he KO's himself, its a vine rule. You can not leave the battle field, if he does he kills himself with a ring out. You can't leave the ringThere's also another reason they don't allow people to leave the ring, Red Skull would be running away to come back with a Cube, Luthor would run off and come back with a toy gun, Doom would teleport out and come back with a reality altering gimzo and vine battle debates would get ridiculous. Superman can not leave the arena to power himself, no character can do it unless it states in the battle topic they have been give 1 HOUR PREP etc. Characters can not just randomly leave during a fight for a power up no matter how much some of you fans want it to happen
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Sundip is still an answer despite being stupid. Superman can just do a gigantic heat vision on the team.
well depending on the character he can technically bring the person with him to space and to the sun in around 10 seconds so basically it would just be him changing the battle field to a place that helps him out, though that can be stopped if the OP sais they cant leave the area, or just flying into space with the person would amp him a bit from leaving earths atmosphere
@czarny_samael: I doubt her energy attacks can hurt Hulk either. All she would do is make WB more powerful.
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If she won't try to drain both of them. And phasing hurts Supes pretty much.
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Hulk has infinite or limitless gamma (cosmic in addition now) energy. She won't be able to drain him. Current Hulk can also absorb energy now and his banner tech can feed off Photons energy as well.
" Superman can just do a gigantic heat vision on the team. "
Not on Monica and not if Billy stands in the way and blocks it Once Jack Of Hearts or Zatanna get going Hulk is done, Jack of Hearts is light speed, he has soloed Hulk and She-Hulk at the same time. He can possibly power drain Hulk and even Superman
Superman can just do a gigantic heat vision on the team.
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Not on Monica and not if Billy stands in the way and blocks itOnce Jack Of Hearts or Zatanna get going Hulk is done, Jack of Hearts is light speed, he has soloed Hulk and She-Hulk at the same time. He can possibly power drain Hulk and even Superman
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See scan I posted and tell me if they both can block a planetary size HV. He cannot power drain Hulk as his gamma/cosmic energy is limitless and Superman can do what Valtot said to recharge or supercharge.
Superman can not leave the battle arena, its fanboy nonsense. Even if the vine's battles rules allowed it Billy is here to slow him down, he's not sundipping period. No leaving the arena because the rules don't allow it and there's a fast enough character here to stop him from running off like a chicken anyway,Even if youre fanboy sundip stuff is allowed and Superman does runaway to power himself up then Hulk on his own is gonna last less than 2 seconds against the rest of these guys. A lot of Hulk' wins in comics are PIS, a guy like Gladiator would have Hulk beat in less than 2 seconds
@Susanoo
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" See scan I posted and tell me if they both can block a planetary size HV. "
Billy doesn't need to block heat vision on a planet he just needs to shield a person like Jack of Hearts who can then go for a power drain...I'm not even sure heat vision would hurt Jack Of Hearts that much anyway. Actually since Jack of Hearts manipulates energy heat vision would probably make him power up stronger. READ UP ON Jack Of Hearts don't be ignorant Jack of Hearts has crazy power drain feats like Atom, he fought abstracts and cosmics. Hulk would be easy feed for him
@turoksonofstone
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" - Fight takes place in the JLA Watchtower - Hulk/Superman are being mind controlled and perceive enemy team as responsible party. - No prep teams start 50 feet apart. - Who Wins? How Why?
*(edit)-No BFR no Sundip.
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Look he even edited his post for you superman fanboys, NO SUNDIP
Superman can not leave the battle arena, its fanboy nonsense. Even if the vine's battles rules allowed it Billy is here to slow him down, he's not sundipping period. No leaving the rena because the rules don't allow it and there's a fast enough character here to stop him from running off like a chicken anyway,Even if youre fanboy sundip stuff is allowed and Superman does runaway to power himself up then Hulk on his own is gonna last less than 2 seconds against the rest of these guys. A lot of Hulk' wins in comics are PIS, a guy like Gladiator would have Hulk beat in less than 2 seconds
@Susanoo
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See scan I posted and tell me if they both can block a planetary size HV.
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Billy doesn't need to block heat vision on a planet he just needs to shield a person like Jack of Hearts who can then go for a power drain...I'm not even sure heat vision would hurt Jack Of Hearts that much anyway. Actually since Jack of Hearts manipulates energy heat vision would probably make him power up stronger. READ UP ON Jack Of Hearts don't be ignorant Jack of Hearts has crazy power drain feats like Atom, he fought abstracts and cosmics. Hulk would be easy feed for him
@turoksonofstone
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" - Fight takes place in the JLA Watchtower - Hulk/Superman are being mind controlled and perceive enemy team as responsible party. - No prep teams start 50 feet apart. - Who Wins? How Why?
*(edit)-No BFR no Sundip.
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Look he even edited his post for you superman fanboys, NO SUNDIP
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.... You don't understand simple logic do you? Even if he shields a person from a planetary wide heat vision, the heat alone will still kill them. Zatanna cannot react fast enough to put up a shield.
I know who JOH is. Cosmics? Doom implied that Hulk would give him more energy/power than SS will. Currently. And Pre-Retcon Beyonder implied that his power is infinite.
I don't like that word superman fanboy. I'm a young man and I'm just saying that Superman can win using common sense bordering Vine rules. Unlike you. Using faulty logic. If your Superman and your competing against this team, you too, would try and sundip. Then again, judging from your intellegence, you wouldn't. Because it's "fair" game.
" Doom implied that Hulk would give him more energy/power than SS will.
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Bad writing, Surfer has always been way, way more powerful than Hulk. they even had to cripple Surfer to give Hulk a fighting chance last time and even then Hulk and his warbound were almost killed @Susanoo said:
" And Pre-Retcon Beyonder implied that his power is infinite.
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.Hulk's rage is limitless, is rage is infinite, the gamma radiation in his body is not. Every time a full powered Surfer faced Hulk, no matter how powerful Hulk became the Surfer has been able to feed off him. Surfer can make a planet age billions of years in seconds, he can eat part of a star, draining Hulk is always an easy feat for him. Other people have also drained Hulk's energy Jack Of Hearst also has cosmic feats of energy draining
@Susanoo said:
Even if he shields a person from a planetary wide heat vision, the heat alone will still kill them.
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I don't think Jack Of Hearts even needs shielding from heat vision, he can probably feed off its energy. He has feats feeding on every other type of energy. Heat Vision probably powers Jack Of Hearts up READ UP ON HIM With Billy here to keep Superman busy he can probably drain both Superman and Hulk
@Zaiyan: 1. Incredible Hulk #610 Banner is regammified with all the Hulk-out heroes Energy/Radiation,and the Cathexis ray/energy is both Gamma/Cosmic,it's not impossible to think that Post-World War Hulk is powered with gamma and Cosmic Energy........... NB:Banner is able to absorb Energy (Both cosmic/Gamma) in his Human Form is a feat by himself.............
Bad writing? Doom implied it and used Hulk's energy instead of Surfer. Even Galactus makes clones of Hulk or does something similar.
2.Have they done it with current WB Hulk? No. Also, Banner's tech fed off of Skaar's oldpower AND gamma energy empowering his device even further. Also, post me scans of his draining abilites.
3. Superman still kills off the other less fortunate teamates with HV.
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