@frozen: Then bring them up then.I can easily do the same with either Teth or Diana and they would stand less of a chance against Superman.Neither New 52 Teth or Diana would beat New 52 Superman and I know you agree with this notion.
Mildly aggressive isn't completely Morals Off or Bloodlusted.
Again look ^.
I can bring better feats of Superman that surpass those like taking on the JLA including people like Wally West and John Stewart.
And? I see Billy beating Teth too due to his speed advantage he has, a speed advantage I know you're familiar with
Not as much.Teth already can't keep up with a Superman going all out so Clark can take her down faster
Jay overwhelmed Teth with his superior speed and Clark is just as fast along with being physically superior to Jay.Teth's way of stopping the blitz will not work
Superman has survived the collision of two planets yet Wonder Woman (Holding back.) had him on his knee's with a kick. Right. Maybe it's not that's it's low balling but rather out of context and doesn't apply to this debate.
@the_man_with_questions: i didnt even say a word. I simply posted scans. These scans dont require any context other than superman is trying to kill wonder woman and wonder woman says that shes holding back. Thats all i did, is post proof.
Incorrect. In that specific instance Superman was being mind controlled and wasn't fighting as smart as he usually does. It's not proof. I anything it's you low balling Superman who would dominate Wonder Woman under normal circumstances.
Genuinely getting smacked around in most of his encounters with other powerhouses; or getting one-shotted/KO'd by planetary attacks which the latest version of Pre-Flashpoint Superman could tank.
Neither New 52 Teth or Diana would beat New 52 Superman and I know you agree with this notion.
I do agree with this notion {though, I would be interested to see Superman resist matter-manipulation} - atleast that fight is fairer than Pre-New 52.
Mildly aggressive isn't completely Morals Off or Bloodlusted.
...Which is what I said. Teth was mildly aggressive in his fight with Superman.
I can bring better feats of Superman that surpass those like taking on the JLA including people like Wally West and John Stewart.
But we've seen Wally trounce Superman a number of times, literally move so fast Superman appears frozen-statue like {Flash #163} and IIRC John KO'd him, on a consistent level, he's lost to such characters.
And? I see Billy beating Teth too due to his speed advantage he has, a speed advantage I know you're familiar with
Well, Billy certainly didn't use speed in his encounter with Superman in Superman #102. The writer confirmed aside from the close physicals, magic made the difference.
@frozen: All fine as New 52 Clark still has feats surpassing both of them.
All you said was Clark was mildly aggressive. It's just a conformation that Clark wasn't Morals Off or bloodlusted completely
And Wally is greater than Jay, Alan (without going full starheart obviously)and Kara.John didn't KO him as Clark actually overwhelmed John's constructs.
@frozen: All fine as New 52 Clark still has feats surpassing both of them.
All you said was Clark was mildly aggressive. It's just a conformation that Clark wasn't Morals Off or bloodlusted completely
And Wally is greater than Jay, Alan (without going full starheart obviously)and Kara.John didn't KO him as Clark actually overwhelmed John's constructs.
Eh, not really, it contradicts his Pre-Flashpoint feats
No. I said Teth was mildly aggressive, whereas Superman was clearly more aggressive and even said he wasn't holding back
So? Wally's actually trounced Superman in speed a number of times
@frozen: Superman was not fighting to the best of his abilities against Teth and if he is, Adam ain't beating Clark.Diana already admitted to not being able to beat Clark and a Clark not holding back anything one shotted her.Especially since Clark knows who these characters are and would know how to dispatch of them,He floors Diana with one hit and then pounds Teth's face into paste right after
I'm pretty sure it was Superman going all out more or less and Teth not really wanting a fight, and Superman still wasn't doing anything to Teth. I know these are out of order and I think I am missing one, but you get the gist
@reaverlation: You act as if Black Adam is just going to stand there while Superman is fighting Wonder Woman...waiting for his turn. Black Adam and Wonder Woman would use a coordinated strike...he isn't beating these two. Especially since WW is faster in combat than Superman.
@artyom: Diana isn't faster and neither is Black Adam.Teth is below Clark and Diana considerably in speed.Clark has the physical advantage over both of them
That's not what I'm getting at.Clark fought off the JLA like John and Wally and they weren't able to put Clark down
Superman > Black Adam certainly wasn't shown in their fight, the fight is a feat in itself. So are the rest of Black Adam's showings - and in regards to the last point, Wally's clearly been shown to be so fast that he can make Superman frozen-like, on a consistent basis, Wally outclasses Superman. This notion has been shown far more than Superman > Wally.
@artyom: Diana isn't faster and neither is Black Adam.Teth is below Clark and Diana considerably in speed.Clark has the physical advantage over both of them
@frozen: Because nobody was going all out like you said but through this fight and overall in feats, Clark has Adam beat.And where did I say Superman>Wally?
@zhurong: I'd say he'd stalemate one on one with BA strength wise and they are practically matched in speed...WW is faster in combat but not durability and strength so probably stalemate as well
Wonder woman didnt get one shotted. She got rocked hard by a blood lusted superman who was fighting her all the way to the sun. And then when there he got a super amp from the sun and thats when the blood lusted superman rocked her with a hard punch. Later, it ends with him gushing blood.
-_- that is literally the only thing I hate about that video is the fact that BA killed almost everyone there but was killed by SM in like 2 seconds
That entire video was plot tipped in the villains favor
Adam was treating constructs like paper mache
And Flash was tagged by lightning that also killed GL and broke his ring
Not to mention the fact that Bat-God tanked it
Yeah I know...then again it is all Non-Canon lol
Didn't Bat-God also survive that encounter somehow
Yeah and then deathstroke tied himup and was beating him with a piece of wood until Joker shot them both with a rocket launcher
I mean after that since there was a dlc that I think said that he lived
I'm not sure I haven't gotten any of the DLC's yet...I'm waiting until I grt better internet since I get an amazing 1.25 mbps woooo haha I can't even live stream my games anymore
-_- that is literally the only thing I hate about that video is the fact that BA killed almost everyone there but was killed by SM in like 2 seconds
That entire video was plot tipped in the villains favor
Adam was treating constructs like paper mache
And Flash was tagged by lightning that also killed GL and broke his ring
Not to mention the fact that Bat-God tanked it
Yeah I know...then again it is all Non-Canon lol
Didn't Bat-God also survive that encounter somehow
Yeah and then deathstroke tied himup and was beating him with a piece of wood until Joker shot them both with a rocket launcher
I mean after that since there was a dlc that I think said that he lived
I'm not sure I haven't gotten any of the DLC's yet...I'm waiting until I grt better internet since I get an amazing 1.25 mbps woooo haha I can't even live stream my games anymore
So I'm not the only person with terrible internet
Interesting
Heck the only reason it's working so well right now is because my family's sleeping
-_- that is literally the only thing I hate about that video is the fact that BA killed almost everyone there but was killed by SM in like 2 seconds
That entire video was plot tipped in the villains favor
Adam was treating constructs like paper mache
And Flash was tagged by lightning that also killed GL and broke his ring
Not to mention the fact that Bat-God tanked it
Yeah I know...then again it is all Non-Canon lol
Didn't Bat-God also survive that encounter somehow
Yeah and then deathstroke tied himup and was beating him with a piece of wood until Joker shot them both with a rocket launcher
I mean after that since there was a dlc that I think said that he lived
I'm not sure I haven't gotten any of the DLC's yet...I'm waiting until I grt better internet since I get an amazing 1.25 mbps woooo haha I can't even live stream my games anymore
So I'm not the only person with terrible internet
Interesting
Heck the only reason it's working so well right now is because my family's sleeping
lol mine too...my mom is in Texas at a job interview and my brother's are staying at my aunt' house lol. Do you have AT&T U-Verse?
-_- that is literally the only thing I hate about that video is the fact that BA killed almost everyone there but was killed by SM in like 2 seconds
That entire video was plot tipped in the villains favor
Adam was treating constructs like paper mache
And Flash was tagged by lightning that also killed GL and broke his ring
Not to mention the fact that Bat-God tanked it
Yeah I know...then again it is all Non-Canon lol
Didn't Bat-God also survive that encounter somehow
Yeah and then deathstroke tied himup and was beating him with a piece of wood until Joker shot them both with a rocket launcher
I mean after that since there was a dlc that I think said that he lived
I'm not sure I haven't gotten any of the DLC's yet...I'm waiting until I grt better internet since I get an amazing 1.25 mbps woooo haha I can't even live stream my games anymore
So I'm not the only person with terrible internet
Interesting
Heck the only reason it's working so well right now is because my family's sleeping
lol mine too...my mom is in Texas at a job interview and my brother's are staying at my aunt' house lol. Do you have AT&T U-Verse?
No TBH I think we have comcast or optimum cable internet
BTW doesn't Texas have Google Fiber because that's supposed to be the best internet service
@ultragreenboy: I'm not sure. Is it expensive because my mom is finally going to leave the ISP up to me since she has never picked a good Internet Service Provider in her entire life lol
@ultragreenboy: I'm not sure. Is it expensive because my mom is finally going to leave the ISP up to me since she has never picked a good Internet Service Provider in her entire life lol
lol my aunt cant either apparently since we all have to crowd around the router for a good connection
@ultragreenboy: lol that's what we do...then I spent ALL of my b-day money on a wi-fi router to help somewhat, but it turns out U-Verse can't use wireless routers hahaha what a waste of $140
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