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#1  Edited By dorukesin
Clark Joseph Kent (Pre) + New-52 Superman
Clark Joseph Kent (Pre) + New-52 Superman

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Pre52 Wonder Woman and Thor

Rules

  • No escape from ring(also ring is indestructible)
  • No items,armor etc. Only Thor have his Mjölnir for final round
  • Clark have his alter's(New-52) strength.
  • Out Character
  • Bloodlusted
  • Fight to the death
  • Morals:OFF
  • They have knowledge about each other
  • No flight
  • Super speed is allowed

Area

1000x bigger than that because of their speed.
1000x bigger than that because of their speed.
  • Blue Corner : Superman
No Caption Provided

  • Red Corner: Wonder Woman and Thor

Starts with song

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#4  Edited By Kingant27

Team for sure.

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Thors no help here since he cant hit superman. So superman wins

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Team. Thor hits as hard as Supes, and Wonder Woman is more skilled than Supes, and has equal combat speed.

Wonder Woman occupies Superman while Thor tags him. Rinse repeat.

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@bluebeetle1: Just because in the marvel universe there are not many speedsters; it doesn't mean he isn't capable of high speeds.

Sure he has had the low feats, but he does have a micro second feat to his name; showing he is capable of it.

Thor has the strength on Superman's level, and he lacks the speed compared to Superman; but his fighting skills make it more even.

Thor has even beaten Captain America in a Boxing fight, adding WW; gives them a big advantage.

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Both Thor and wonder woman are more skilled. Wonder woman hits hard enough to hurt superman, and Thor hits just as hard, if not harder than superman. Wonder woman has faster combat speed so she and Thor will be able to take him down.

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@kingant27: lol. Read your post and tell me you dont find it funny

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Superman. Thor will never touch him and he's just got even more powerful than Diana.

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@kingant27:

this:

Thor has the strength on Superman's level, and he lacks the speed compared to Superman; but his fighting skills make it more even.

Thor has even beaten Captain America in a Boxing fight, adding WW; gives them a big advantage.

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#16  Edited By thedailybagel  Moderator

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@bluebeetle1: It makes sense, so what are having hard understanding?

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#18  Edited By dorukesin

@jayc1324 said:

Wonder woman has faster combat speed

@kangconquers said:

Wonder Woman is more skilled than Supes, and has equal combat speed.

you guys sure about that ? Because during The Sacriface fight, Clark has blitzed her to the Sun before even she react "Wonder Woman Vol 2. #219"

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This would've been more interesting if they were depowered. Clark

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@jayc1324 said:

Wonder woman has faster combat speed

@kangconquers said:

Wonder Woman is more skilled than Supes, and has equal combat speed.

you guys sure about that ? Because during The Sacriface fight, Clark has blitzed her to the Sun before even she react "Wonder Woman Vol 2. #219"

Fair enough. Maybe I'm starting to drink the Wonder Woman koolaid.

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@kingant27: it makes no sense. Whike he may be more skilled, he lacka the speed with which to hit superman.

The part thats funny and actually makes me laugh is that captain america is cited to make it sound like a huge speed feat to which can be compared to supermans speed and thats where i burst out laughing. I thought you were joking. And now its even funnier that youre serious.

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@bluebeetle1: I was trying to show that even someone like Captain America is an amazing combatant; and that Thor managed to easily beat Captain America in a boxing fight, not trying to show combat speed.

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@kingant27: do you think Thor is more skilled than Clark ?

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#24  Edited By toptom

@jayc1324 said:

Both Thor and wonder woman are more skilled. Wonder woman hits hard enough to hurt superman, and Thor hits just as hard, if not harder than superman. Wonder woman has faster combat speed so she and Thor will be able to take him down.

He can probably hit harder than him with his hammer but not without it.

However i think that Supes has got this. We are talking about Pre-52 Superman with all his reaction time and durability feats far superior to anything he has now PLUS the strength of his new-52 analog...who physically speaking is simply on another level than his older self or WW or even Thor. The son of Odin without his hammer is almost a non factor here (almost doesn't mean he can't help diana in some way,since he can still summon the thunder even without it) and i can sincerely see WW going down pretty quicly without her weapons against an amped and bloodlusted Superman.

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#25  Edited By Kingant27

@dorukesin: Yes, Superman has good combat in Pre-52 after his Kryptonain training, and from Mongul 2 etc; but Thor has millennia of years fighting, Thor has more fighting experience/knowledge.

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@dorukesin: Yes, Superman has good combat in Pre-52 after his Kryptonain training, and from Mongul 2 etc; but Thor has millennia of years fighting, Thor has more fighting experience/knowledge.

Experience rarely matters. Just look at Ra's Al Ghul.

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#28  Edited By Zandalf

If Wonderwoman and Thor haven't access to their weapons they will lose this fight,even badly IMO.

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@kingant27: ok well then if its not ment to show combat soeed then i dont see the point in talking about it.

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@dorukesin: Yes, Superman has good combat in Pre-52 after his Kryptonain training, and from Mongul 2 etc; but Thor has millennia of years fighting, Thor has more fighting experience/knowledge.

its on the paper millennia of years training sounds really cool but by the feats Clark can fight at hypersonic speeds(considering he's on foot.) He's using pressure points and his super speed together to incapacitate his opponent ,he's using defensive molecular vibrating to dodge heavy blows and of course he can perceive the punch coming from Thor in a few picoseconds.So tell me whats Thor got ?

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#31  Edited By BlueBeetle1

@dorukesin: nothing. He gets stomped. Thor should never be fighting superman in these boards unless superman is nerfed.

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#32  Edited By toptom

@dorukesin said:

@kingant27 said:

@dorukesin: Yes, Superman has good combat in Pre-52 after his Kryptonain training, and from Mongul 2 etc; but Thor has millennia of years fighting, Thor has more fighting experience/knowledge.

its on the paper millennia of years training sounds really cool but by the feats Clark can fight at hypersonic speeds(considering he's on foot.) He's using pressure points and his super speed together to incapacitate his opponent ,he's using defensive molecular vibrating to dodge heavy blows and of course he can perceive the punch coming from Thor in a few picoseconds.So tell me whats Thor got ?

Actually even Clark has fought for 1000 years straight in another dimension (the DC's version of Asgrad) against a race of demons. If somebody wants to see the scans,can find them in the fighting skills department of this blog:

http://www.comicvine.com/profile/toptom/blog/pre-52-superman-capability-thread/84991/

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The problem I see in this battle is you removed Items so Thor can't use his hammer and without it he's not really gonna cause that much problem.. You also allowed Super-speed + Bloodlusted versions so Superman could easily take down Thor and deal with Diana and without her weapons she would be far less effective (I mean she might hold him off for a minute or so but she won't win or last long enough to find a way to win since she can't even leave the ring)..

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since it's just boxing then supes wins.

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#35  Edited By Kingant27

@bluebeetle1: It shows that even someone like Captain America who is an amazing boxer/combatant; loses to Thor in a boxing match.

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@kingant27: lol its funny that thats an impressive feat for thor. Lmao

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@bluebeetle1: Combat wise it is; showing he is a better boxer than Captain America is a good feat.

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#38  Edited By uugieboogie

Team. Thor hits as hard as Supes, and Wonder Woman is more skilled than Supes, and has equal combat speed.

Wonder Woman occupies Superman while Thor tags him. Rinse repeat.

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@kingant27: lol thats not very smart. That just tells youbhow slow he thor is. If you gave supermans speed to current jimmy olson or aunt may who have no training theyd beat the living PIS out of captain america. Skill means nothing if youre exponentially slower than your opponent. Thor beating captain america in boxing is a shame. Its sad that thats a good showing for thor. Just so sad.

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#40  Edited By Kingant27

@bluebeetle1: I don't think your understanding my point.

He wasn't trying to out speed him, just showing that without Mjnoir he is still an amazing combatant; and can even beat Captain America at Boxing, and is better than Cap at his own game.

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@kingant27: no, i get that, i do. But youre not understanding MY point. Hes so slow that cap has a chance. Im not disputing thors experience at all. All im saying is that hes slow as he//. Superman would murder cap in disgusting ways. Thats why its sad that him beating cap in boxing is a high feat for thor. But we all already knew how slow thor is. He serves no point here. Might as well out spiderman here. He has a better shot at tagging superman.

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#43  Edited By Kingant27

@bluebeetle1: Thor wasn't utilising his speed, but was showing CA that he was superior combat wise; and could beat him and his own game, H2H combatant that's all.

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@kingant27: can you show where he says hes not trying to use his speed? Id want to see it just to make surem since hes consistently slower than some street level characters.

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Clark one shots Diana and then loses to Thor.

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@bluebeetle1: It never stated that, but he wasn't trying to blitz him; however the reason for me using this scan is for demonstrating that boxing wise he can beat even the best of them.

He has had a micro-second feat, showing he is capable of high reaction speeds; however he does have PIS showing against street levelers etc.

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#48  Edited By BlueBeetle1

@kingant27: lol, so you were misleading me? Seems that way.

He couldnt blittz cap if he wanted to. He has poor combat speed. The only way for thor to blitz him would be to use mjolnir but he cant since there's a ring.

Thors slow speed feats arent PIS. They consistently keep on happening.

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@bluebeetle1: It happens due plot etc; think about why would someone like Venom beat Superman.

Also he has reacted in a micro-second; which is way above a street lever like Captain America.

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@bluebeetle1: It happens due plot etc; think about why would someone like Venom beat Superman.

Also he has reacted in a micro-second; which is way above a street lever like Captain America.

Danny Rand has reacted in a microsecond as well...