Well Omega Effect won't work on Surfer since the Power Cosmic is a necessity of the universe. The Green Power Ring is a non factor as well. It pretty much Superman and his strength vs Silver Surfer.
Well Omega Effect won't work on Surfer since the Power Cosmic is a necessity of the universe. The Green Power Ring is a non factor as well. It pretty much Superman and his strength vs Silver Surfer.
is the crossover galactus vs DS.
DS used his OF againts SS and cause him a lot of damage, I know thats non cannon but it seems very realistic.
Well Omega Effect won't work on Surfer since the Power Cosmic is a necessity of the universe. The Green Power Ring is a non factor as well. It pretty much Superman and his strength vs Silver Surfer.
is the crossover galactus vs DS. DS used his OF againts SS and cause him a lot of damage, I know thats non cannon but it seems very realistic.
Omega Effect didn't do anything to Galactus.
ANYTHING 0_o
Then here Galactus basiclly tells Darksied off & owns the sh*t outta him.
????? silver surfer is the oponnent, noo galactus...
im talking about this
That indeed happened in this crossover, but in this crossover we could also see a considerably weaker version of the Surfer (or even big G) than the ones that have been shown lately. Post annihilation Surfer is well above that.
There were many other little mistakes in that crossover, and even though it was a good story, it is better to consider it as non representative.
@DocFatalis: exaclty. that the reason i give supes more powers, like the power ring and the astro force. i definitely think OE can harm this SS. But Post annihilation is not joke at all, what do you think? can supes with this accesories beat SS?
It really is a difficult one: I don't believe the ring could do much, but the OE and the astro force are no jokes. I think it would depend on the way Norrin uses his powers, and unfortunately, he's usually not very good at that.
Superman can probably take this if he can tank the first power cosmic blast and then hit the target.
SS can win this. He can drain the ring and use its energies against Supes, he maybe able to negate or counteract the Astro Harness as well. The main problem is the OMega Effect, which shown to harm SS not kill him though, Pre 52 and New 52 Supes has survived being hit with it and I don't see it killing SS. Factor in Supes inexperience with using those powers and SS can take this.
Surfer is just out of Superman's league, period. All the extra stuff Superman is packing only means more energy for Norrin to suck out of him and add to his own powers.
the timeframe darkseid battles galactus is early on in the surfers career after years of experance he has better control and is a better fighter. he could turn earths sun red depowering supes and is in for the win.
DC has a tendency to inflate certain characters, i mean far as abilities. Honestly, I dont see Superman beating S.S. Supes has an advantage in the speed department..... S.S. is not hurting in that area either, therefore, it would be an interesting battle.
DC has a tendency to inflate certain characters, i mean far as abilities. Honestly, I dont see Superman beating S.S. Supes has an advantage in the speed department..... S.S. is not hurting in that area either, therefore, it would be an interesting battle.
In terms of speed, post annihilation silver surfer > regular silver surfer(thousands times speed of light) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>superman
In terms of speed, post annihilation silver surfer > regular silver surfer(thousands times speed of light) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>superman
This is not even remotely correct, Silver Surfer ability to actually fly faster than light speed without hyperspeed is a bit questionable (despite him having done that like 5 times before hyperspace was created) but he certainly hasnt fought anywhere close to that speed.
I for one am not even sure if he is actually faster than Superman in a combat speed, also post annihilation surfer got a boost that much is true, has seen a lot more rutheless (for that one series and very very rarely in 2 defenders issue later) but there is no mention of increase in his speed not sure where you are getting that from.
Unless this is surfer after he channeled the power of the church, and thats a universal level power not sure what superman can do when he has such huge boost, but without that surfer has little to no answer to omega sanction.
I am a huge surfer fan but lets not try and make things up shall we?
In terms of speed, post annihilation silver surfer > regular silver surfer(thousands times speed of light) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>superman
This is not even remotely correct, Silver Surfer ability to actually fly faster than light speed without hyperspeed is a bit questionable (despite him having done that like 5 times before hyperspace was created) but he certainly hasnt fought anywhere close to that speed.
I for one am not even sure if he is actually faster than Superman in a combat speed, also post annihilation surfer got a boost that much is true, has seen a lot more rutheless (for that one series and very very rarely in 2 defenders issue later) but there is no mention of increase in his speed not sure where you are getting that from.
Unless this is surfer after he channeled the power of the church, and thats a universal level power not sure what superman can do when he has such huge boost, but without that surfer has little to no answer to omega sanction.
I am a huge surfer fan but lets not try and make things up shall we?
I was not talking about combat speed. it was about flying speed. supes can not even see silv surf coming towards him and no matter how much power sups have silver will draw all of it and will use it against him. He can also destroy superman's energy source(sun) with ease.
@Lone_Wolf_and_Cub: @Lord_Johnathan: wha about the OE?
Superman won't be able to fire it before Surfer drains him of all his powers.
When has it ever been shown he can do that? More importantly, has Superman ever had his power drained by someone with energy manipulation?
Blast him with Red Sun light or kryptonite radiation or both until he falls. It's well within his capabilities. And ask the Hulk what happens to those whose powers come from energy sources when they try to tangle with the Surfer. It tends not to end well.
@Lone_Wolf_and_Cub: @Lord_Johnathan: wha about the OE?
Superman won't be able to fire it before Surfer drains him of all his powers.
When has it ever been shown he can do that? More importantly, has Superman ever had his power drained by someone with energy manipulation?
Blast him with Red Sun light or kryptonite radiation or both until he falls. It's well within his capabilities. And ask the Hulk what happens to those whose powers come from energy sources when they try to tangle with the Surfer. It tends not to end well.
Huh. Fair enough. Though, how would he know what to hit him with?
@Lone_Wolf_and_Cub: @Lord_Johnathan: wha about the OE?
Superman won't be able to fire it before Surfer drains him of all his powers.
When has it ever been shown he can do that? More importantly, has Superman ever had his power drained by someone with energy manipulation?
Blast him with Red Sun light or kryptonite radiation or both until he falls. It's well within his capabilities. And ask the Hulk what happens to those whose powers come from energy sources when they try to tangle with the Surfer. It tends not to end well.
Huh. Fair enough. Though, how would he know what to hit him with?
I believe the surfer has some sort of cosmic awareness. It was how he figured out that the best way to defeat the Hulk was "No gamma for joo" even though he never met him before.
@Lone_Wolf_and_Cub: @Lord_Johnathan: wha about the OE?
Superman won't be able to fire it before Surfer drains him of all his powers.
When has it ever been shown he can do that? More importantly, has Superman ever had his power drained by someone with energy manipulation?
Blast him with Red Sun light or kryptonite radiation or both until he falls. It's well within his capabilities. And ask the Hulk what happens to those whose powers come from energy sources when they try to tangle with the Surfer. It tends not to end well.
Huh. Fair enough. Though, how would he know what to hit him with?
I believe the surfer has some sort of cosmic awareness. It was how he figured out that the best way to defeat the Hulk was "No gamma for joo" even though he never met him before.
Fair enough. Yeah, as long as Surfer can tag Supes with his Red sun/Kryptonite radiation blasts, he's got this.
In terms of speed, post annihilation silver surfer > regular silver surfer(thousands times speed of light) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>superman
This is not even remotely correct, Silver Surfer ability to actually fly faster than light speed without hyperspeed is a bit questionable (despite him having done that like 5 times before hyperspace was created) but he certainly hasnt fought anywhere close to that speed.
I for one am not even sure if he is actually faster than Superman in a combat speed, also post annihilation surfer got a boost that much is true, has seen a lot more rutheless (for that one series and very very rarely in 2 defenders issue later) but there is no mention of increase in his speed not sure where you are getting that from.
Unless this is surfer after he channeled the power of the church, and thats a universal level power not sure what superman can do when he has such huge boost, but without that surfer has little to no answer to omega sanction.
I am a huge surfer fan but lets not try and make things up shall we?
Killemall...what about his fight with Durok? Not only did that fight take place after they crossed the light speed barrier...they had crossed the time barrier. My take on that fight is if Norrin can think/move/react at that speed, he can fight at that speed. And in my very blue collar opinion, once one has broken the time barrier, that is the pinnacle of speed for any comic character.
I think too, that part of the initial fight includes the two combatants meeting each other head on at some point. The shortest distance between two points....
I seem to remember a few other instances where the Surfer demonstrates that he can move/think/react post time travel barrier. But I'm too lazy to search my digital copies.
I don't know, just my take.
Having said all that, Norrin usually does the energy strike thing. He can teleport during combat (like he did against Quasimodo). He can transmute organic tissue. Which Supes is. He can go intangible. He can sense Supes red sun light weakness. I think he's got this one.
Fighting and mostly winning against two Galactus-level beings known as Aegis and Tenebrous (pre-Annihilation, I think, and also post-upgrade), shows a lot of what Surfer could bring to the table. Giving those Omega Affect and Green Lantern abilities to Superman isn't going to help his case. Surfer still backhands him into a Red Sun.
@Lone_Wolf_and_Cub: @Lord_Johnathan: wha about the OE?
Superman won't be able to fire it before Surfer drains him of all his powers.
When has it ever been shown he can do that? More importantly, has Superman ever had his power drained by someone with energy manipulation?
Blast him with Red Sun light or kryptonite radiation or both until he falls. It's well within his capabilities. And ask the Hulk what happens to those whose powers come from energy sources when they try to tangle with the Surfer. It tends not to end well.
Huh. Fair enough. Though, how would he know what to hit him with?
I believe the surfer has some sort of cosmic awareness. It was how he figured out that the best way to defeat the Hulk was "No gamma for joo" even though he never met him before.
Fair enough. Yeah, as long as Surfer can tag Supes with his Red sun/Kryptonite radiation blasts, he's got this.
I think Surfer can add to his physicality by drawing more cosmic energy to himself if he wants to. So if he wishes to, he can pretty much be as strong, tough, and fast as he wants to be.
Does anybody know how much the AstroForce would add to superman power.
The ring has some sickly durable shields that are added now to superman's durability.
The Omega Effect should be considered a hard hit here, Nonetheless.
idk, even if this is only new52, I think it can be at least a stalemate, or an extremly hard victory for SS, mainly due to his Radiation generation, and molecular manipulation.
Aight, let me explain a bit, Superman is not a match for SS and he never will be.Superman has strenght?SS goes intangible.Superman is fast?SS is faster.Now it dosen't really matter what equipment you give to Supes he still got nothing on SS.He can drain him.And he will know Supes weakness.And this is post annihilation Surfer.
Fighting and mostly winning against two Galactus-level beings known as Aegis and Tenebrous (pre-Annihilation, I think, and also post-upgrade), shows a lot of what Surfer could bring to the table. Giving those Omega Affect and Green Lantern abilities to Superman isn't going to help his case. Surfer still backhands him into a Red Sun.
@Lone_Wolf_and_Cub: @Lord_Johnathan: wha about the OE?
Superman won't be able to fire it before Surfer drains him of all his powers.
When has it ever been shown he can do that? More importantly, has Superman ever had his power drained by someone with energy manipulation?
Blast him with Red Sun light or kryptonite radiation or both until he falls. It's well within his capabilities. And ask the Hulk what happens to those whose powers come from energy sources when they try to tangle with the Surfer. It tends not to end well.
Huh. Fair enough. Though, how would he know what to hit him with?
I believe the surfer has some sort of cosmic awareness. It was how he figured out that the best way to defeat the Hulk was "No gamma for joo" even though he never met him before.
I was not talking about combat speed. it was about flying speed. supes can not even see silv surf coming towards him and no matter how much power sups have silver will draw all of it and will use it against him. He can also destroy superman's energy source(sun) with ease.
super is no match at all to silver.
Silver Surfer needs hyperspeed to access that kind of speed you are talking about, and hence is completely impracticable in a fight. While normally Surfer has way more in him to take Superman (intangibility, telepathy, red sun blast, teleporatation to name a few) etc this is not a normal superman in a fight.
While i have not been able to follow Silver Surfer after November 2011 (so almost a year behind on his appearance i have read all his appearence before that and he has never destroyed a star. Sure he can create a black hole which could likely do the same, we have no idea to the size an nature of the black hole he can create, not to mention he has only done so once on his own accord. The only herald that has actually destroyed a star is Nova and their feats arent inter-chanagible.
Also what you seem to be missing is solar energy is not needed at all when you have a more powerful source of energy coursing through you, and in this case its omega effect. Not to mention you seem to be overtly short selling green lantern ring and astroforce.
Killemall...what about his fight with Durok? Not only did that fight take place after they crossed the light speed barrier...they had crossed the time barrier. My take on that fight is if Norrin can think/move/react at that speed, he can fight at that speed. And in my very blue collar opinion, once one has broken the time barrier, that is the pinnacle of speed for any comic character.
I think too, that part of the initial fight includes the two combatants meeting each other head on at some point. The shortest distance between two points....
I seem to remember a few other instances where the Surfer demonstrates that he can move/think/react post time travel barrier. But I'm too lazy to search my digital copies.
I don't know, just my take.
Having said all that, Norrin usually does the energy strike thing. He can teleport during combat (like he did against Quasimodo). He can transmute organic tissue. Which Supes is. He can go intangible. He can sense Supes red sun light weakness. I think he's got this one.
I think you misunderstand.
1. he can move at light speed and react at such speed, which keeps his reaction at nanosecond, something Superman has matched. Also in duroc instance he doesnt actually fight him at light speed but rather hold him while the board speeds up.
2. Surfer has a total of 2 nanosecond reaction feat and one faster than microsecond reaction feat till November 2011, after that i havent been able to follow surfer. and the whole point was nanosecond reaction feat Superman has matched. Not to mention he has never actually blitz anyone in a fight, how do we know if he is even competent to blitz someone. In comparision Superman has. I really dont think speed is what gives surfer an edge against Superman , like at all.
3. Teleportation can be countered by Omega Effect, which has seeked Superman all the way from Apokolips to earth, not seeing how surfer would prevent that. And at its best day, omega beam are powerful enough to one shot, or at the very least severely harm a superman level being. Its once the durability exceeds that the outcome becomes questionable.
4. Superman has green lantern ring and astroharness, that should give him more than enough firepower to counter Surfer's attack.
I was not talking about combat speed. it was about flying speed. supes can not even see silv surf coming towards him and no matter how much power sups have silver will draw all of it and will use it against him. He can also destroy superman's energy source(sun) with ease.
super is no match at all to silver.
Silver Surfer needs hyperspeed to access that kind of speed you are talking about, and hence is completely impracticable in a fight. While normally Surfer has way more in him to take Superman (intangibility, telepathy, red sun blast, teleporatation to name a few) etc this is not a normal superman in a fight.
While i have not been able to follow Silver Surfer after November 2011 (so almost a year behind on his appearance i have read all his appearence before that and he has never destroyed a star. Sure he can create a black hole which could likely do the same, we have no idea to the size an nature of the black hole he can create, not to mention he has only done so once on his own accord. The only herald that has actually destroyed a star is Nova and their feats arent inter-chanagible.
Also what you seem to be missing is solar energy is not needed at all when you have a more powerful source of energy coursing through you, and in this case its omega effect. Not to mention you seem to be overtly short selling green lantern ring and astroforce.
I do not entirely agree with some of the things you stated here, but to me the Astro Force is the wild card and the key to how this will end. A merge between Orion and Kal El is just something terrifying. Is there an Astro Force expert on the board who could provide us with relevant information?
I do not entirely agree with some of the things you stated here, but to me the Astro Force is the wild card and the key to how this will end. A merge between Orion and Kal El is just something terrifying. Is there an Astro Force expert on the board who could provide us with relevant information?
Not that i know of, who is currently active. Mr. Director is the expert in New Gods, second would be Feefa1 and we always have CitizenBane the all around expert, hope one of them can clearify.
I do not entirely agree with some of the things you stated here, but to me the Astro Force is the wild card and the key to how this will end. A merge between Orion and Kal El is just something terrifying. Is there an Astro Force expert on the board who could provide us with relevant information?
Not that i know of, who is currently active. Mr. Director is the expert in New Gods, second would be Feefa1 and we always have CitizenBane the all around expert, hope one of them can clearify.
This is irrelevant to the thread, but as a soldier who served his time in Afghanistan, I have always liked your av.
Killemall...what about his fight with Durok? Not only did that fight take place after they crossed the light speed barrier...they had crossed the time barrier. My take on that fight is if Norrin can think/move/react at that speed, he can fight at that speed. And in my very blue collar opinion, once one has broken the time barrier, that is the pinnacle of speed for any comic character.
I think too, that part of the initial fight includes the two combatants meeting each other head on at some point. The shortest distance between two points....
I seem to remember a few other instances where the Surfer demonstrates that he can move/think/react post time travel barrier. But I'm too lazy to search my digital copies.
I don't know, just my take.
Having said all that, Norrin usually does the energy strike thing. He can teleport during combat (like he did against Quasimodo). He can transmute organic tissue. Which Supes is. He can go intangible. He can sense Supes red sun light weakness. I think he's got this one.
I think you misunderstand.
1. he can move at light speed and react at such speed, which keeps his reaction at nanosecond, something Superman has matched. Also in duroc instance he doesnt actually fight him at light speed but rather hold him while the board speeds up.
2. Surfer has a total of 2 nanosecond reaction feat and one faster than microsecond reaction feat till November 2011, after that i havent been able to follow surfer. and the whole point was nanosecond reaction feat Superman has matched. Not to mention he has never actually blitz anyone in a fight, how do we know if he is even competent to blitz someone. In comparision Superman has. I really dont think speed is what gives surfer an edge against Superman , like at all.
3. Teleportation can be countered by Omega Effect, which has seeked Superman all the way from Apokolips to earth, not seeing how surfer would prevent that. And at its best day, omega beam are powerful enough to one shot, or at the very least severely harm a superman level being. Its once the durability exceeds that the outcome becomes questionable.
4. Superman has green lantern ring and astroharness, that should give him more than enough firepower to counter Surfer's attack.
Interesting take. But here is why I disagree (in terms of speed):
1) Hmmmm...not so sure about the Durok fight. Each panel indicates a different postion which tells me they are moving around. Maybe I'm wrong.
Edit: to quote one prominent Viner: "....but if he can move around and talk in - insert time frame- , it seems clear to me that he'd also be able to punch and kick and so on in - insert time frame -, since he's shown to be able to operate within that frame...". And I agree. If the Surfer, who has clearly exceeded not just the lightspeed barrier above....but the time barrier...can think and react and move, at that speed, I don't know that there too many characters who can do the same. The Runner I guess? I've always held the fight between the Surfer and Durok as a win for the Surfer, not because the Surfer was stronger, but because Durok not only could not functionally operate at those speeds, but was disoriented from having travelled through time.
2) The thing about Surfer is there are numerous occasions where he has blitzed...those blitzes are usuaully against space ships or dodging asteroids or some such (like in cosmic powers...)....what I mean is feats that clearly show he is not limited to just straightline travel speed. No need to post scans; we've all seen them. His searching of the entire planet feat comes to mind also. However, THOSE particular feats are less clearly defined than say a Wally West whose feats are quantified by pico seconds, femto seconds and such. The writer's clearly were TRYING to quantify Wally's speed (especially given that's Wally's main power). Having said that, I find it hard to believe that the Surfer, having demonstrated he CAN blitz, would not be able to do so at way beyond light speed. Also, since Norrin has clearly demonstrated he can blitz (against said space crafts): should we conclude he can't blitz people, for example, because those scans only indicated blitzes against moving space crafts? I think the same line of reasoning can be applied to the actual speed of the blitz. I think it is reasonable to conclude that the Surfer can blitz well beyond light speed if he so chooses. But I agree with you inasmuch as those feats are typically not chronicled at pico second, femto second, or some such. I agree, though, there is rarely, if ever, anything clocking the Surfer's speed as he blitzes.
Then here Galactus basiclly tells Darksied off & owns the sh*t outta him.
so you decied.
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