#1 Edited by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman cant use any of his abilities other than his healing ability, speed and his strength. . No blitzing. Just combat speed feats allowed if youre going to go the speed route.

His opponents are:

Rhino, Ironclad, Sasquatch, Wendigo, Colossus, Thing.

Can he beat them all at once?

#2 Posted by dondave (38818 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman even with the restrictions wins

#3 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

Superman even with the restrictions wins

really? wow, can hulk do that?

#4 Posted by Perezite (1432 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman cant use any of his abilities other than his healing ability, speed and his strength. . No blitzing. Just combat speed feats allowed if youre going to go the speed route.

His opponents are:

Rhino, Ironclad, Sasquatch, Wendigo, Colossus, Thing.

Can he beat them all at once?

Isn't combat speed a fallacy?

#5 Edited by BigCimmerian (8710 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

Superman even with the restrictions wins

really? wow, can hulk do that?

Superman destroys them, he's simply much more powerful and stronger. As for your question, yes Hulk could do the same, but he will strugle more because his base stats are much lower than Supes.

#6 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

@perezite said:
@inconvenient_truth said:

Superman cant use any of his abilities other than his healing ability, speed and his strength. . No blitzing. Just combat speed feats allowed if youre going to go the speed route.

His opponents are:

Rhino, Ironclad, Sasquatch, Wendigo, Colossus, Thing.

Can he beat them all at once?

Isn't combat speed a fallacy?

i dont think so. thats like saying usain bolt has faster combat speed than bruce lee.

#7 Edited by Perezite (1432 posts) - - Show Bio

@perezite said:
@inconvenient_truth said:

Superman cant use any of his abilities other than his healing ability, speed and his strength. . No blitzing. Just combat speed feats allowed if youre going to go the speed route.

His opponents are:

Rhino, Ironclad, Sasquatch, Wendigo, Colossus, Thing.

Can he beat them all at once?

Isn't combat speed a fallacy?

i dont think so. thats like saying usain bolt has faster combat speed than bruce lee.

http://outskirtsbattledome.wikispaces.com/Combat+Speed+Fallacy

#8 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

muscle memory makes someone faster in combat than a sprinter who is the faster person. sprinter=traveling speed. fighter=combat speed.

#9 Edited by New_World_Order (13516 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman.

#10 Posted by WillPayton (9726 posts) - - Show Bio

Can you elaborate on what you're asking? Are you suggesting that Superman doesnt have super-human combat speed?

Superman clearly has very high travel speed, but he also has very high combat speed... in the way of fast perception and reaction times... fast enough to be a blur, or even invisible, to normal humans.

#11 Posted by Celestialseed (96 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah..Supe's still wins.

#12 Posted by Perezite (1432 posts) - - Show Bio

muscle memory makes someone faster in combat than a sprinter who is the faster person. sprinter=traveling speed. fighter=combat speed.

But what if that person can do all three things that that link I showed you can do?

#13 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

@perezite: if one person has faster travel speed and faster combat speed then he's faster than someone who doesnt have it. i dont understand the confusion. do you not see the difference between running or flying fast and fighting fast???

#14 Posted by THC (367 posts) - - Show Bio

@perezite said:

@inconvenient_truth said:

muscle memory makes someone faster in combat than a sprinter who is the faster person. sprinter=traveling speed. fighter=combat speed.

But what if that person can do all three things that that link I showed you can do?

Your link states 3 things necessary to describe combat speed:

"- The ability to move at that speed

- The ability to perceive an opponent moving at that speed

- The ability to react at that speed"

These 3 things cannot be defined separately, and in fact have to happen simultaneously, consecutively, and for extended periods of time to be labelled as "combat" speed. This is because a fight is far different from a race.

The dude gave a valuable argument; do you think Usain Bolt has faster combat speed than Bruce Lee? That seems to be what the biased writer of said article seems to think, based on his flawed logic.

The "essence" of the combat speed argument is that feats > claims

#15 Posted by Perezite (1432 posts) - - Show Bio

@perezite: if one person has faster travel speed and faster combat speed then he's faster than someone who doesnt have it. i dont understand the confusion. do you not see the difference between running or flying fast and fighting fast???

What I'm saying is this:

"Realistically, to fight at a certain speed requires no more than the following:

- The ability to move at that speed

- The ability to perceive an opponent moving at that speed

- The ability to react at that speed

#16 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

@perezite said:
@inconvenient_truth said:

@perezite: if one person has faster travel speed and faster combat speed then he's faster than someone who doesnt have it. i dont understand the confusion. do you not see the difference between running or flying fast and fighting fast???

What I'm saying is this:

"Realistically, to fight at a certain speed requires no more than the following:

- The ability to move at that speed

- The ability to perceive an opponent moving at that speed

- The ability to react at that speed

yea, thats what combat speed is. where is the disconnect?

#17 Posted by Perezite (1432 posts) - - Show Bio

@perezite said:
@inconvenient_truth said:

@perezite: if one person has faster travel speed and faster combat speed then he's faster than someone who doesnt have it. i dont understand the confusion. do you not see the difference between running or flying fast and fighting fast???

What I'm saying is this:

"Realistically, to fight at a certain speed requires no more than the following:

- The ability to move at that speed

- The ability to perceive an opponent moving at that speed

- The ability to react at that speed

yea, thats what combat speed is. where is the disconnect?

What I'm trying to say is that Supes has high combat speed since he's demonstrated all three of those things.

#18 Edited by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

@perezite said:
@inconvenient_truth said:
@perezite said:
@inconvenient_truth said:

@perezite: if one person has faster travel speed and faster combat speed then he's faster than someone who doesnt have it. i dont understand the confusion. do you not see the difference between running or flying fast and fighting fast???

What I'm saying is this:

"Realistically, to fight at a certain speed requires no more than the following:

- The ability to move at that speed

- The ability to perceive an opponent moving at that speed

- The ability to react at that speed

yea, thats what combat speed is. where is the disconnect?

What I'm trying to say is that Supes has high combat speed since he's demonstrated all three of those things.

well, yea, everyone knows that superman has faster combat speed than those marvel bricks.