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#101 Edited by xeon1cs (1481 posts) - - Show Bio

How have we gone from horrible DBZ threads, to horrible Harry Potter threads?

#102 Edited by NeonGameWave (9141 posts) - - Show Bio

@calebhara said:

@neongamewave: Do you have any scans? Also is there proof that Superman tanked a blast that was directed in the form of transfiguration?

Powered through a magic user much more powerful than Voldemort, while fighting the Magic reality-warping effects.

I won't even touch the rest of it, you can see here that while others are having their own powers turned against them, in pain from the inside and being transfused, Superman is the only one able to stand there and fight. Disciple is much more powerful than Voldemort.

He is vulnerable and susceptible magic but he can be weakened or subdued by it as well it does depend on the forms and levels of magic also.

This is somewhat true, but only to extremely powerful users, Voldemort has never shown the power needed to put Superman down. IIRC, he has never been warped due to magic's effects, ever.

Voldemort can turn invisible, use wandless spells that need no incantation and Voldemort can teleport instantly this is also a random encounter Superman has no prep and has morals on he wouldn`t know what to expect in regards to Voldemort.

Honestly, what will Voldemort do with prep? He has no way of gaining info on Superman. Will he do countless hours of research on him with a Supercomputer within the HP universe? No. He doesn't have the resources to make prep effective.

Even with invisibility, Clark has enhanced senses, he will be able to find him instantly. Teleportation does little, because his reaction time is still, below peak human. You seem to be ignoring the fact that HP spells are arrow speed, Clark has FTL reaction and could hit Voldemort 1,000 times before he reacted to the first punch.

There is no proof that he is more powerful or more skilled than Voldemort, Voldemort can achieve similar effects through his magic and the scans themselves are kind of taken out of context or over exaggerated, similar to that of Zatanna placing the enchantment on Clark to shield him from magic, it was temporary in effects also Zatanna mostly taught him the element of magic and how to fight it with will not through physical resistance, Voldemort`s magic doesn`t really operate on those terms or dynamics, and I`ve seen these scans before, I also now remember the events that took place. While the feat is impressive, what you should notice was Superman actually being affected to a degree by the reality warping and he did not take the blast head on like the rest of the members did, he snatched the staff that resonated and was engulfed with the energy out of disciple`s hand. When he fought against Wonder Woman, her magical lasso and tiara were able to harm him or proof effective against him, Voldemort is a master in dark magic and with the Elder Wand he would be able to warp reality to a degree. Yes he does, he can find information on Superman via his Death Eaters and Superman on the other hand doesn`t have prep at all or info, its a random encounter, Superman usually tanks attacks he doesn`t outright dodge them he is in character within this scenario and he has morals. Also Voldemort can summon Dementors and Death Eaters also he could use Crucio on Superman or transfiguration. All of the other Justice League members took the blast head on or were directly hit by the magical force, Superman was merely forced back by it he didn`t take it head on 100% and can you show me a scan of Superman resisting transfiguration? Another important point is by true and standard rule as its not specified within the OP, this would be New 52 Superman. Voldemort is an expert in dark magic and he has a lot of experience, also he even knows how to create his own spells who`s not to say he wouldn`t create a spell special and specific for Superman? Something that maybe drains his energy reserves or corrupts his soul per say?

#103 Posted by Kal-El Summers (213 posts) - - Show Bio

So why is Voldermort getting help from Dementors and Death Eaters(not that it would help in the slightest)? There's nothing in the OP saying either side gets outside help.

Secondly, Gods of DC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HP weak magic. Comparing Voldermort to Diana is laughable.

Thirdly, Superman without PIS/CIS, even being in-character, will not tank something that he's never faced before.

#104 Posted by AngryHulks (3001 posts) - - Show Bio

@xeon1cs said:

How have we gone from horrible DBZ threads, to horrible Harry Potter threads?

If you think horrible DBZ or Harry Potter thread is worst out there, you've never met Terminator threads.

#105 Edited by AngryHulks (3001 posts) - - Show Bio

@neongamewave: Even if Wonder Woman's tiara is not made out of magic, she would still be strong enough to toss her tiara with enough force to cut Superman. But even if Superman is completely defenseless against magic, Voldemort still have no hope of tagging him even if Superman move just below the speed of sound. OP imposing moral on Superman doesn't mean they cut of his access to nanosecond reflexes and ability to move near light speed.

#106 Edited by Sideslash (5918 posts) - - Show Bio

@xeon1cs said:

How have we gone from horrible DBZ threads, to horrible Harry Potter threads?

If you think horrible DBZ or Harry Potter thread is worst out there, you've never met Terminator threads.

Oh dear gods those were bad.

#107 Edited by BigCimmerian (8866 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman stomps. He's faster. Stronger. Smarter. Way more durable. And cooler. He could see voldemort with supervision. He could still hear him. And all voldemorts spells will be easily dodged. This is borderline spite

What if Superman tries to tank dead spell? He's lost then, but if he know about his spells than he destroys him in one second.

#108 Posted by MisterWhisper (2209 posts) - - Show Bio

@angryhulks:

There is a difference though.

The terminator threads are intentionally trolled into the ground by idiotic, ADHD ridden, attention seeking, 100 account having, internet poison.

At least the HP threads are just made by people trying to score a win for someone they like despite mountains of logic to the contrary.

I will take misplaced fanboyism over trolling any day.

#109 Posted by NeonGameWave (9141 posts) - - Show Bio

@neongamewave: Even if Wonder Woman's tiara is not made out of magic, she would still be strong enough to toss her tiara with enough force to cut Superman. But even if Superman is completely defenseless against magic, Voldemort still have no hope of tagging him even if Superman move just below the speed of sound. OP imposing moral on Superman doesn't mean they cut of his access to nanosecond reflexes and ability to move near light speed.

That is true and it furthers my point, Avada Kedavra is not merely portrayed to be a physical attack but it attacks one`s direct life force and drains them of their life,. Superman doesn`t outright dodge attacks he tanks them and he has no prep or info on Voldemort he wouldn`t know what to expect or how to expect it, he wouldn`t know what he is capable of. Also speedblitz is also turned off so Superman wouldn`t speedblitz at those speeds either and Voldemort can use Crucio which requires no physical contact and he can do wandless spells. Also with the Elder Wand, Voldemort can enhance his own magic which means Avada Kedavra would be more powerfully effective, one hit and Superman would drop to the floor dead.

#110 Posted by AngryHulks (3001 posts) - - Show Bio

@angryhulks said:

@neongamewave: Even if Wonder Woman's tiara is not made out of magic, she would still be strong enough to toss her tiara with enough force to cut Superman. But even if Superman is completely defenseless against magic, Voldemort still have no hope of tagging him even if Superman move just below the speed of sound. OP imposing moral on Superman doesn't mean they cut of his access to nanosecond reflexes and ability to move near light speed.

That is true and it furthers my point, Avada Kedavra is not merely portrayed to be a physical attack but it attacks one`s direct life force and drains them of their life,. Superman doesn`t outright dodge attacks he tanks them and he has no prep or info on Voldemort he wouldn`t know what to expect or how to expect it, he wouldn`t know what he is capable of. Also speedblitz is also turned off so Superman wouldn`t speedblitz at those speeds either and Voldemort can use Crucio which requires no physical contact and he can do wandless spells. Also with the Elder Wand, Voldemort can enhance his own magic which means Avada Kedavra would be more powerfully effective, one hit and Superman would drop to the floor dead.

The problem is that Avada Kedavra can be blocked by physical objects, which is different than how magic was portrayed in comics. Superman's durability is derived from microscopically thin force field that permeates his cells, which can acts like a barrier from the killing curse. Superman, a lot of times, he dodge attack even if it questionably couldn't harm him, he's smart and he will just stay on safe side if he notice that Voldemort is casting spell, something non-magical villains don't do.

Speedblitz off doesn't mean that he can't use that speed to dodge, and that doesn't turn off his reflexes.

#111 Posted by NeonGameWave (9141 posts) - - Show Bio

@neongamewave said:

@angryhulks said:

@neongamewave: Even if Wonder Woman's tiara is not made out of magic, she would still be strong enough to toss her tiara with enough force to cut Superman. But even if Superman is completely defenseless against magic, Voldemort still have no hope of tagging him even if Superman move just below the speed of sound. OP imposing moral on Superman doesn't mean they cut of his access to nanosecond reflexes and ability to move near light speed.

That is true and it furthers my point, Avada Kedavra is not merely portrayed to be a physical attack but it attacks one`s direct life force and drains them of their life,. Superman doesn`t outright dodge attacks he tanks them and he has no prep or info on Voldemort he wouldn`t know what to expect or how to expect it, he wouldn`t know what he is capable of. Also speedblitz is also turned off so Superman wouldn`t speedblitz at those speeds either and Voldemort can use Crucio which requires no physical contact and he can do wandless spells. Also with the Elder Wand, Voldemort can enhance his own magic which means Avada Kedavra would be more powerfully effective, one hit and Superman would drop to the floor dead.

The problem is that Avada Kedavra can be blocked by physical objects, which is different than how magic was portrayed in comics. Superman's durability is derived from microscopically thin force field that permeates his cells, which can acts like a barrier from the killing curse. Superman, a lot of times, he dodge attack even if it questionably couldn't harm him, he's smart and he will just stay on safe side if he notice that Voldemort is casting spell, something non-magical villains don't do.

Speedblitz off doesn't mean that he can't use that speed to dodge, and that doesn't turn off his reflexes.

That doesn`t prove, attribute correctly or justify a thing. Magic is magic, if Superman is vulnerable and susceptible then he is vulnerable and susceptible, the Killing Curse doesn`t work on inanimate objects because they do not have life, it only kills and takes away life which Superman obviously has and is a standing representation of, The Killing Curse attacks the soul directly and it drains the life force out of that very soul to the absolute 0%. Its not really a physical attack, that is why its always portrayed as being an immediate killing method that doesn`t leave any injury or wounds when making contact with the victim of its deadly as well as inevitable nature also Superman has no answer for Crucio which doesn`t require physical contact, it attacks the target directly and Voldemort can use it instantly also Voldemort has telekinetic based abilities, he tossed a giant aside with the wave of his hand. Voldemort can cast wandless spells without incantation and he would be invisible as well, Superman is in a random encounter with no info he wouldn`t know what to expect from Voldemort but Voldemort actually has three days of prep.

But it does factor into the chances of Superman using his overall speed compound of associative abilities to the absolute maximum degree and Voldemort can just use Crucio which doesn`t require physical contact. Superman`s reflexes, senses or combat speed won`t save him from that, on top of that Voldemort has the Elder`s Wand which enhances one`s magic so he technically and realistically murderstomps.

#112 Posted by The Stegman (26061 posts) - - Show Bio

Take away Superman's Speed and MAYBE I can see Voldemort pulling it off, but right now Supes takes him out in a half dozen ways before he can lift his wand. Plus with his super hearing and xray vision, the Invisibility Cloak is useless here.

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#113 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (20261 posts) - - Show Bio

@angryhulks said:

@neongamewave said:

@angryhulks said:

@neongamewave: Even if Wonder Woman's tiara is not made out of magic, she would still be strong enough to toss her tiara with enough force to cut Superman. But even if Superman is completely defenseless against magic, Voldemort still have no hope of tagging him even if Superman move just below the speed of sound. OP imposing moral on Superman doesn't mean they cut of his access to nanosecond reflexes and ability to move near light speed.

That is true and it furthers my point, Avada Kedavra is not merely portrayed to be a physical attack but it attacks one`s direct life force and drains them of their life,. Superman doesn`t outright dodge attacks he tanks them and he has no prep or info on Voldemort he wouldn`t know what to expect or how to expect it, he wouldn`t know what he is capable of. Also speedblitz is also turned off so Superman wouldn`t speedblitz at those speeds either and Voldemort can use Crucio which requires no physical contact and he can do wandless spells. Also with the Elder Wand, Voldemort can enhance his own magic which means Avada Kedavra would be more powerfully effective, one hit and Superman would drop to the floor dead.

The problem is that Avada Kedavra can be blocked by physical objects, which is different than how magic was portrayed in comics. Superman's durability is derived from microscopically thin force field that permeates his cells, which can acts like a barrier from the killing curse. Superman, a lot of times, he dodge attack even if it questionably couldn't harm him, he's smart and he will just stay on safe side if he notice that Voldemort is casting spell, something non-magical villains don't do.

Speedblitz off doesn't mean that he can't use that speed to dodge, and that doesn't turn off his reflexes.

also Superman has no answer for Crucio which doesn`t require physical contact, it attacks the target directly and Voldemort can use it instantly also Voldemort has telekinetic based abilities, he tossed a giant aside with the wave of his hand. Voldemort can cast wandless spells without incantation and he would be invisible as well,

why? crucio can be dodged and deflected like regular curses.. not to mention he didn't do anything to any giant in the book. And invisibility is not so helpful with super senses..

#114 Posted by NeonGameWave (9141 posts) - - Show Bio

@neongamewave said:

@angryhulks said:

@neongamewave said:

@angryhulks said:

@neongamewave: Even if Wonder Woman's tiara is not made out of magic, she would still be strong enough to toss her tiara with enough force to cut Superman. But even if Superman is completely defenseless against magic, Voldemort still have no hope of tagging him even if Superman move just below the speed of sound. OP imposing moral on Superman doesn't mean they cut of his access to nanosecond reflexes and ability to move near light speed.

That is true and it furthers my point, Avada Kedavra is not merely portrayed to be a physical attack but it attacks one`s direct life force and drains them of their life,. Superman doesn`t outright dodge attacks he tanks them and he has no prep or info on Voldemort he wouldn`t know what to expect or how to expect it, he wouldn`t know what he is capable of. Also speedblitz is also turned off so Superman wouldn`t speedblitz at those speeds either and Voldemort can use Crucio which requires no physical contact and he can do wandless spells. Also with the Elder Wand, Voldemort can enhance his own magic which means Avada Kedavra would be more powerfully effective, one hit and Superman would drop to the floor dead.

The problem is that Avada Kedavra can be blocked by physical objects, which is different than how magic was portrayed in comics. Superman's durability is derived from microscopically thin force field that permeates his cells, which can acts like a barrier from the killing curse. Superman, a lot of times, he dodge attack even if it questionably couldn't harm him, he's smart and he will just stay on safe side if he notice that Voldemort is casting spell, something non-magical villains don't do.

Speedblitz off doesn't mean that he can't use that speed to dodge, and that doesn't turn off his reflexes.

also Superman has no answer for Crucio which doesn`t require physical contact, it attacks the target directly and Voldemort can use it instantly also Voldemort has telekinetic based abilities, he tossed a giant aside with the wave of his hand. Voldemort can cast wandless spells without incantation and he would be invisible as well,

why? crucio can be dodged and deflected like regular curses.. not to mention he didn't do anything to any giant in the book. And invisibility is not so helpful with super senses..

By wizards, witches and individuals of magic that is. If I remember correctly it was depicted in the movie or described within the book that Voldemort moves a creature or specifically a giant aside with his hand, Superman can`t counter Crucio, he doesn`t use magic and he has no defense against such Dark Magic either also it doesn`t require physical contact.

#115 Edited by AngryHulks (3001 posts) - - Show Bio

@angryhulks said:

@neongamewave said:

@angryhulks said:

@neongamewave: Even if Wonder Woman's tiara is not made out of magic, she would still be strong enough to toss her tiara with enough force to cut Superman. But even if Superman is completely defenseless against magic, Voldemort still have no hope of tagging him even if Superman move just below the speed of sound. OP imposing moral on Superman doesn't mean they cut of his access to nanosecond reflexes and ability to move near light speed.

That is true and it furthers my point, Avada Kedavra is not merely portrayed to be a physical attack but it attacks one`s direct life force and drains them of their life,. Superman doesn`t outright dodge attacks he tanks them and he has no prep or info on Voldemort he wouldn`t know what to expect or how to expect it, he wouldn`t know what he is capable of. Also speedblitz is also turned off so Superman wouldn`t speedblitz at those speeds either and Voldemort can use Crucio which requires no physical contact and he can do wandless spells. Also with the Elder Wand, Voldemort can enhance his own magic which means Avada Kedavra would be more powerfully effective, one hit and Superman would drop to the floor dead.

The problem is that Avada Kedavra can be blocked by physical objects, which is different than how magic was portrayed in comics. Superman's durability is derived from microscopically thin force field that permeates his cells, which can acts like a barrier from the killing curse. Superman, a lot of times, he dodge attack even if it questionably couldn't harm him, he's smart and he will just stay on safe side if he notice that Voldemort is casting spell, something non-magical villains don't do.

Speedblitz off doesn't mean that he can't use that speed to dodge, and that doesn't turn off his reflexes.

That doesn`t prove, attribute correctly or justify a thing. Magic is magic, if Superman is vulnerable and susceptible then he is vulnerable and susceptible, the Killing Curse doesn`t work on inanimate objects because they do not have life, it only kills and takes away life which Superman obviously has and is a standing representation of, The Killing Curse attacks the soul directly and it drains the life force out of that very soul to the absolute 0%. Its not really a physical attack, that is why its always portrayed as being an immediate killing method that doesn`t leave any injury or wounds when making contact with the victim of its deadly as well as inevitable nature also Superman has no answer for Crucio which doesn`t require physical contact, it attacks the target directly and Voldemort can use it instantly also Voldemort has telekinetic based abilities, he tossed a giant aside with the wave of his hand. Voldemort can cast wandless spells without incantation and he would be invisible as well, Superman is in a random encounter with no info he wouldn`t know what to expect from Voldemort but Voldemort actually has three days of prep.

But it does factor into the chances of Superman using his overall speed compound of associative abilities to the absolute maximum degree and Voldemort can just use Crucio which doesn`t require physical contact. Superman`s reflexes, senses or combat speed won`t save him from that, on top of that Voldemort has the Elder`s Wand which enhances one`s magic so he technically and realistically murderstomps.

Superman don't have to go to his maximum speed to be effective against Voldemort, I think even Quicksilver is too fast for Voldemort to react. Given that if Voldemort make any sudden move, Superman should see it, even a simple gesture. Given that Superman's perception speed is on nanosecond time frame, Killing Curse would take at least 33 years to reach Superman if it cast from one meter. And Voldemort haven't show capability to project Killing Curse non-verbally, and the curse is in a form which you can see as green bolt.

I don't mean Killing Curse work on animated object, but it can be block by that mean, and Superman's force field isolate his skin from the environment, which is no different than putting microscopically thin shield in front of you. Harry Potter hide behind the gravestone and he's saved from the spells. The only type of magic that can surpass Superman's aura is pretty much the one that can ignore physical objects (most of Superman's mystical opponents have this), which is not attribute of the Killing Curse.

#116 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (20261 posts) - - Show Bio

@neongamewave: I'm sure voldemort didn't lift any giants in the book. You'll need quotes to back it..

Crucio, on the other hand, is perfectly dodge able like any other curse. And it can stops at material objects, too:

Harry was edging around the fountain on the other side when she screamed, `Crucio!ʹ and he was forced to duck down again as the centaurʹs arm, holding its bow, span off and landed with a crash on the floor a short distance from the golden wizardʹs head

-Harry Potter 5, page 731.

#117 Edited by NeonGameWave (9141 posts) - - Show Bio

@angryhulks said:

@neongamewave said:

@angryhulks said:

@neongamewave said:

@angryhulks said:

@neongamewave: Even if Wonder Woman's tiara is not made out of magic, she would still be strong enough to toss her tiara with enough force to cut Superman. But even if Superman is completely defenseless against magic, Voldemort still have no hope of tagging him even if Superman move just below the speed of sound. OP imposing moral on Superman doesn't mean they cut of his access to nanosecond reflexes and ability to move near light speed.

That is true and it furthers my point, Avada Kedavra is not merely portrayed to be a physical attack but it attacks one`s direct life force and drains them of their life,. Superman doesn`t outright dodge attacks he tanks them and he has no prep or info on Voldemort he wouldn`t know what to expect or how to expect it, he wouldn`t know what he is capable of. Also speedblitz is also turned off so Superman wouldn`t speedblitz at those speeds either and Voldemort can use Crucio which requires no physical contact and he can do wandless spells. Also with the Elder Wand, Voldemort can enhance his own magic which means Avada Kedavra would be more powerfully effective, one hit and Superman would drop to the floor dead.

The problem is that Avada Kedavra can be blocked by physical objects, which is different than how magic was portrayed in comics. Superman's durability is derived from microscopically thin force field that permeates his cells, which can acts like a barrier from the killing curse. Superman, a lot of times, he dodge attack even if it questionably couldn't harm him, he's smart and he will just stay on safe side if he notice that Voldemort is casting spell, something non-magical villains don't do.

Speedblitz off doesn't mean that he can't use that speed to dodge, and that doesn't turn off his reflexes.

That doesn`t prove, attribute correctly or justify a thing. Magic is magic, if Superman is vulnerable and susceptible then he is vulnerable and susceptible, the Killing Curse doesn`t work on inanimate objects because they do not have life, it only kills and takes away life which Superman obviously has and is a standing representation of, The Killing Curse attacks the soul directly and it drains the life force out of that very soul to the absolute 0%. Its not really a physical attack, that is why its always portrayed as being an immediate killing method that doesn`t leave any injury or wounds when making contact with the victim of its deadly as well as inevitable nature also Superman has no answer for Crucio which doesn`t require physical contact, it attacks the target directly and Voldemort can use it instantly also Voldemort has telekinetic based abilities, he tossed a giant aside with the wave of his hand. Voldemort can cast wandless spells without incantation and he would be invisible as well, Superman is in a random encounter with no info he wouldn`t know what to expect from Voldemort but Voldemort actually has three days of prep.

But it does factor into the chances of Superman using his overall speed compound of associative abilities to the absolute maximum degree and Voldemort can just use Crucio which doesn`t require physical contact. Superman`s reflexes, senses or combat speed won`t save him from that, on top of that Voldemort has the Elder`s Wand which enhances one`s magic so he technically and realistically murderstomps.

Superman don't have to go to his maximum speed to be effective against Voldemort, I think even Quicksilver is too fast for Voldemort to react. Given that if Voldemort make any sudden move, Superman should see it, even a simple gesture. Given that Superman's perception speed is on nanosecond time frame, Killing Curse would take at least 33 years to reach Superman if it cast from one meter. And Voldemort haven't show capability to project Killing Curse non-verbally, and the curse is in a form which you can see as green bolt.

I don't mean Killing Curse work on animated object, but it can be block by that mean, and Superman's force field isolate his skin from the environment, which is no different than putting microscopically thin shield in front of you. Harry Potter hide behind the gravestone and he's saved from the spells. The only type of magic that can surpass Superman's aura is pretty much the one that can ignore physical objects (most of Superman's mystical opponents have this), which is not attribute of the Killing Curse.

Voldemort has the element of surprise and Superman has no answers for Crucio, Superman is in character here which means he would analyze the situation before making any significant moves and Voldemort can teleport as well as fly instantly, Voldemort doesn`t need to hit Superman head on with the Killing Curse he can have him subdued with Crucio or possession and then the Killing Curse would be more viable, like I said Superman doesn`t usually dodge attacks or avoid them outright unless he knows what the enemy is capable of, he tanks the assault or tries to resist it to overpower the enemy its within his character, nature and personality. On top of those facts he doesn`t have no prep whatsoever so how would he know what this attack is or what its effects are? Voldemort can even cast the spell non verbally or without the use of incantation.

Killing Curse was only blocked under certain conditions such as Harry`s love protection via his mother`s sacrifice which is a plot device and by wizards who use magic also Priori Icantatem which is a establishment of the connection between two wands.

Voldemort raised his wand and another jet of green light streaked at Dumbledore

Text in context in which it is officially taken and confirmed - Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix Chapter 36.

Another jet of green light flew from behind the silver shield. This time it was the one-armed centaur, galloping in front of Dumbledore, that took the blast and shattered into a hundred pieces.

Superman doesn`t use no magic, has no knowledge or no defense for this assault. Like I said that furthers my point, the reason why it doesn`t harm Harry or any other of the HP characters is because they hide behind large and inanimate objects, I believe within the book a Centaur shielded Dumbledore from the Killing Curse and it exploded instantly, that showcases the differences of area in effect in regards to inanimate objects and living beings, if Superman is hit with the Killing Curse then he will die. It doesn`t target an aura nor does it target something very specific like cells it targets the soul directly and drains that life force.

#118 Posted by NeonGameWave (9141 posts) - - Show Bio

@neongamewave: I'm sure voldemort didn't lift any giants in the book. You'll need quotes to back it..

Crucio, on the other hand, is perfectly dodge able like any other curse. And it can stops at material objects, too:

Harry was edging around the fountain on the other side when she screamed, `Crucio!ʹ and he was forced to duck down again as the centaurʹs arm, holding its bow, span off and landed with a crash on the floor a short distance from the golden wizardʹs head

-Harry Potter 5, page 731.

He didn`t exactly lift the giant but moved it aside and he disarmed Harry before with this same method which furthers my point.

0:12.

The problem though is Harry is aware of this curse and has knowledge on it, Superman on the other hand does not also the curse is irreversible. Superman wouldn`t know what hit him and all Voldemort needs to do is point his wand, Superman would analyze the situation first.

"Voldemort raised his wand, and before Harry could do anything to defend himself, before he could even move, he had been hit again by the Cruciatus curse. The pain was so intense, so all-consuming, that he no longer knew where he was... white-hot knives were piercing every inch of his skin, his head was surely going to burst with pain; he was screaming more loudly than he'd ever screamed in his life.

At the mention of Dumbledore's name, the members of the circle stirred, and some muttered and shook their heads. Voldemort ignored them.

"It is a disappointment to me...I confess myself disappointed...."

One of the men suddenly flung himself forward, breaking the circle. Trembling from head to foot, he collapsed at Voldemort's feet.

"Master!" he shrieked, "Master, forgive me! Forgive us all!"

Voldemort began to laugh. He raised his wand.

"Crucio!"

The Death Eater on the ground writhed and shrieked; Harry was sure the sound must carry to the houses around....Let the police come, he thought desperately...anyone...anything...

Voldemort raised his wand. The tortured Death Eater lay flat upon the ground, gasping

- Taken From: Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire

Voldemort moved slowly forward and turned to face Harry. He raised his wand.

"Crucio!"

It was pain beyond anything Harry had ever experienced; his very bones were on fire; his head was surely splitting along his scar; his eyes were rolling madly in his head; he wanted it to end...to black out...to die...

- Taken From: Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire

#119 Posted by AngryHulks (3001 posts) - - Show Bio

@angryhulks said:

@neongamewave said:

@angryhulks said:

@neongamewave said:

@angryhulks said:

@neongamewave: Even if Wonder Woman's tiara is not made out of magic, she would still be strong enough to toss her tiara with enough force to cut Superman. But even if Superman is completely defenseless against magic, Voldemort still have no hope of tagging him even if Superman move just below the speed of sound. OP imposing moral on Superman doesn't mean they cut of his access to nanosecond reflexes and ability to move near light speed.

That is true and it furthers my point, Avada Kedavra is not merely portrayed to be a physical attack but it attacks one`s direct life force and drains them of their life,. Superman doesn`t outright dodge attacks he tanks them and he has no prep or info on Voldemort he wouldn`t know what to expect or how to expect it, he wouldn`t know what he is capable of. Also speedblitz is also turned off so Superman wouldn`t speedblitz at those speeds either and Voldemort can use Crucio which requires no physical contact and he can do wandless spells. Also with the Elder Wand, Voldemort can enhance his own magic which means Avada Kedavra would be more powerfully effective, one hit and Superman would drop to the floor dead.

The problem is that Avada Kedavra can be blocked by physical objects, which is different than how magic was portrayed in comics. Superman's durability is derived from microscopically thin force field that permeates his cells, which can acts like a barrier from the killing curse. Superman, a lot of times, he dodge attack even if it questionably couldn't harm him, he's smart and he will just stay on safe side if he notice that Voldemort is casting spell, something non-magical villains don't do.

Speedblitz off doesn't mean that he can't use that speed to dodge, and that doesn't turn off his reflexes.

That doesn`t prove, attribute correctly or justify a thing. Magic is magic, if Superman is vulnerable and susceptible then he is vulnerable and susceptible, the Killing Curse doesn`t work on inanimate objects because they do not have life, it only kills and takes away life which Superman obviously has and is a standing representation of, The Killing Curse attacks the soul directly and it drains the life force out of that very soul to the absolute 0%. Its not really a physical attack, that is why its always portrayed as being an immediate killing method that doesn`t leave any injury or wounds when making contact with the victim of its deadly as well as inevitable nature also Superman has no answer for Crucio which doesn`t require physical contact, it attacks the target directly and Voldemort can use it instantly also Voldemort has telekinetic based abilities, he tossed a giant aside with the wave of his hand. Voldemort can cast wandless spells without incantation and he would be invisible as well, Superman is in a random encounter with no info he wouldn`t know what to expect from Voldemort but Voldemort actually has three days of prep.

But it does factor into the chances of Superman using his overall speed compound of associative abilities to the absolute maximum degree and Voldemort can just use Crucio which doesn`t require physical contact. Superman`s reflexes, senses or combat speed won`t save him from that, on top of that Voldemort has the Elder`s Wand which enhances one`s magic so he technically and realistically murderstomps.

Superman don't have to go to his maximum speed to be effective against Voldemort, I think even Quicksilver is too fast for Voldemort to react. Given that if Voldemort make any sudden move, Superman should see it, even a simple gesture. Given that Superman's perception speed is on nanosecond time frame, Killing Curse would take at least 33 years to reach Superman if it cast from one meter. And Voldemort haven't show capability to project Killing Curse non-verbally, and the curse is in a form which you can see as green bolt.

I don't mean Killing Curse work on animated object, but it can be block by that mean, and Superman's force field isolate his skin from the environment, which is no different than putting microscopically thin shield in front of you. Harry Potter hide behind the gravestone and he's saved from the spells. The only type of magic that can surpass Superman's aura is pretty much the one that can ignore physical objects (most of Superman's mystical opponents have this), which is not attribute of the Killing Curse.

Voldemort has the element of surprise and Superman has no answers for Crucio, Superman is in character here which means he would analyze the situation before making any significant moves and Voldemort can teleport as well as fly instantly, Voldemort doesn`t need to hit Superman head on with the Killing Curse he can have him subdued with Crucio or possession and then the Killing Curse would be more viable, like I said Superman doesn`t usually dodge attacks or avoid them outright unless he knows what the enemy is capable of, he tanks the assault or tries to resist it to overpower the enemy its within his character, nature and personality. On top of those facts he doesn`t have no prep whatsoever so how would he know what this attack is or what its effects are? Voldemort can even cast the spell non verbally or without the use of incantation.

Killing Curse was only blocked under certain conditions such as Harry`s love protection via his mother`s sacrifice which is a plot device and by wizards who use magic also Priori Icantatem which is a establishment of the connection between two wands.

Voldemort raised his wand and another jet of green light streaked at Dumbledore

Text in context in which it is officially taken and confirmed - Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix Chapter 36.

Another jet of green light flew from behind the silver shield. This time it was the one-armed centaur, galloping in front of Dumbledore, that took the blast and shattered into a hundred pieces.

Superman doesn`t use no magic, has no knowledge or no defense for this assault. Like I said that furthers my point, the reason why it doesn`t harm Harry or any other of the HP characters is because they hide behind large and inanimate objects, I believe within the book a Centaur shielded Dumbledore from the Killing Curse and it exploded instantly, that showcases the differences of area in effect in regards to inanimate objects and living beings, if Superman is hit with the Killing Curse then he will die. It doesn`t target an aura nor does it target something very specific like cells it targets the soul directly and drains that life force.

It doesn't matter what the target, if there's inanimate object in-between the target, the Killing Curse would not get to the target. Superman's cells are isolated from the environment, so it's considered a physical barrier. This is the most important factor in battle.

And by the way, Superman encountered a lot of magic-based opponent, so facing Voldemort is not a first-time experience. If he foresee a suspicion that Voldemort's slightest gesture is not natural, he would know immediately it was a magic. If it magic, it would be wise for Superman to dodge, and when he analyse, he analyse it faster than supercomputer. Even I could distinguished between a person who will be using magic against me or a physical attack.

#120 Posted by MisterWhisper (2209 posts) - - Show Bio

@angryhulks:

Why would it matter in the first place, even if Superman did not see it until it left Voldemort's hand he would still never be hit by it.

#121 Posted by NeonGameWave (9141 posts) - - Show Bio

@neongamewave said:

@angryhulks said:

@neongamewave said:

@angryhulks said:

@neongamewave said:

@angryhulks said:

@neongamewave: Even if Wonder Woman's tiara is not made out of magic, she would still be strong enough to toss her tiara with enough force to cut Superman. But even if Superman is completely defenseless against magic, Voldemort still have no hope of tagging him even if Superman move just below the speed of sound. OP imposing moral on Superman doesn't mean they cut of his access to nanosecond reflexes and ability to move near light speed.

That is true and it furthers my point, Avada Kedavra is not merely portrayed to be a physical attack but it attacks one`s direct life force and drains them of their life,. Superman doesn`t outright dodge attacks he tanks them and he has no prep or info on Voldemort he wouldn`t know what to expect or how to expect it, he wouldn`t know what he is capable of. Also speedblitz is also turned off so Superman wouldn`t speedblitz at those speeds either and Voldemort can use Crucio which requires no physical contact and he can do wandless spells. Also with the Elder Wand, Voldemort can enhance his own magic which means Avada Kedavra would be more powerfully effective, one hit and Superman would drop to the floor dead.

The problem is that Avada Kedavra can be blocked by physical objects, which is different than how magic was portrayed in comics. Superman's durability is derived from microscopically thin force field that permeates his cells, which can acts like a barrier from the killing curse. Superman, a lot of times, he dodge attack even if it questionably couldn't harm him, he's smart and he will just stay on safe side if he notice that Voldemort is casting spell, something non-magical villains don't do.

Speedblitz off doesn't mean that he can't use that speed to dodge, and that doesn't turn off his reflexes.

That doesn`t prove, attribute correctly or justify a thing. Magic is magic, if Superman is vulnerable and susceptible then he is vulnerable and susceptible, the Killing Curse doesn`t work on inanimate objects because they do not have life, it only kills and takes away life which Superman obviously has and is a standing representation of, The Killing Curse attacks the soul directly and it drains the life force out of that very soul to the absolute 0%. Its not really a physical attack, that is why its always portrayed as being an immediate killing method that doesn`t leave any injury or wounds when making contact with the victim of its deadly as well as inevitable nature also Superman has no answer for Crucio which doesn`t require physical contact, it attacks the target directly and Voldemort can use it instantly also Voldemort has telekinetic based abilities, he tossed a giant aside with the wave of his hand. Voldemort can cast wandless spells without incantation and he would be invisible as well, Superman is in a random encounter with no info he wouldn`t know what to expect from Voldemort but Voldemort actually has three days of prep.

But it does factor into the chances of Superman using his overall speed compound of associative abilities to the absolute maximum degree and Voldemort can just use Crucio which doesn`t require physical contact. Superman`s reflexes, senses or combat speed won`t save him from that, on top of that Voldemort has the Elder`s Wand which enhances one`s magic so he technically and realistically murderstomps.

Superman don't have to go to his maximum speed to be effective against Voldemort, I think even Quicksilver is too fast for Voldemort to react. Given that if Voldemort make any sudden move, Superman should see it, even a simple gesture. Given that Superman's perception speed is on nanosecond time frame, Killing Curse would take at least 33 years to reach Superman if it cast from one meter. And Voldemort haven't show capability to project Killing Curse non-verbally, and the curse is in a form which you can see as green bolt.

I don't mean Killing Curse work on animated object, but it can be block by that mean, and Superman's force field isolate his skin from the environment, which is no different than putting microscopically thin shield in front of you. Harry Potter hide behind the gravestone and he's saved from the spells. The only type of magic that can surpass Superman's aura is pretty much the one that can ignore physical objects (most of Superman's mystical opponents have this), which is not attribute of the Killing Curse.

Voldemort has the element of surprise and Superman has no answers for Crucio, Superman is in character here which means he would analyze the situation before making any significant moves and Voldemort can teleport as well as fly instantly, Voldemort doesn`t need to hit Superman head on with the Killing Curse he can have him subdued with Crucio or possession and then the Killing Curse would be more viable, like I said Superman doesn`t usually dodge attacks or avoid them outright unless he knows what the enemy is capable of, he tanks the assault or tries to resist it to overpower the enemy its within his character, nature and personality. On top of those facts he doesn`t have no prep whatsoever so how would he know what this attack is or what its effects are? Voldemort can even cast the spell non verbally or without the use of incantation.

Killing Curse was only blocked under certain conditions such as Harry`s love protection via his mother`s sacrifice which is a plot device and by wizards who use magic also Priori Icantatem which is a establishment of the connection between two wands.

Voldemort raised his wand and another jet of green light streaked at Dumbledore

Text in context in which it is officially taken and confirmed - Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix Chapter 36.

Another jet of green light flew from behind the silver shield. This time it was the one-armed centaur, galloping in front of Dumbledore, that took the blast and shattered into a hundred pieces.

Superman doesn`t use no magic, has no knowledge or no defense for this assault. Like I said that furthers my point, the reason why it doesn`t harm Harry or any other of the HP characters is because they hide behind large and inanimate objects, I believe within the book a Centaur shielded Dumbledore from the Killing Curse and it exploded instantly, that showcases the differences of area in effect in regards to inanimate objects and living beings, if Superman is hit with the Killing Curse then he will die. It doesn`t target an aura nor does it target something very specific like cells it targets the soul directly and drains that life force.

It doesn't matter what the target, if there's inanimate object in-between the target, the Killing Curse would not get to the target. Superman's cells are isolated from the environment, so it's considered a physical barrier. This is the most important factor in battle.

And by the way, Superman encountered a lot of magic-based opponent, so facing Voldemort is not a first-time experience. If he foresee a suspicion that Voldemort's slightest gesture is not natural, he would know immediately it was a magic. If it magic, it would be wise for Superman to dodge, and when he analyse, he analyse it faster than supercomputer. Even I could distinguished between a person who will be using magic against me or a physical attack.

There is no proof nor guarantee that Superman would have this advantage or beneficial circumstance, if hits Superman then he will die, there would be no object to interfere, cells have nothing to do with anything, its magic and this force that defies nature as well as physics bypasses Superman`s durability or physiological setups. Superman doesn`t even know how to counter this spell and he still has no answer for Crucio or possession, so Voldemort doesn`t need to rely on it anyways.

The difference though is Superman has no knowledge or prep surrounding the situation when he fights against magic users it is under a certain circumstance and like I said Superman tanks attacks meaning he wouldn`t know it until it hit him. If he knew Voldemort then he would know by standard procedural safety measures to dodge or avoid the attack for all we know he could mistake it as being an energy blast of some kind and during the time when Superman fights certain magic users he would try to resist or overpower them so your point is pretty much invalid. He would analyze and get his by Crucio in which he would be torture beyond measure till no end until his heart stops beating or Voldemort could transfigure him into a squirrel and have him crushed once he weakened or subdued. Also you are forgetting about the Elder Wand which enhances Voldemort`s magic so I don`t see how Superman is winning this.

#122 Posted by AngryHulks (3001 posts) - - Show Bio

@angryhulks said:

@neongamewave said:

@angryhulks said:

@neongamewave said:

@angryhulks said:

@neongamewave said:

@angryhulks said:

@neongamewave: Even if Wonder Woman's tiara is not made out of magic, she would still be strong enough to toss her tiara with enough force to cut Superman. But even if Superman is completely defenseless against magic, Voldemort still have no hope of tagging him even if Superman move just below the speed of sound. OP imposing moral on Superman doesn't mean they cut of his access to nanosecond reflexes and ability to move near light speed.

That is true and it furthers my point, Avada Kedavra is not merely portrayed to be a physical attack but it attacks one`s direct life force and drains them of their life,. Superman doesn`t outright dodge attacks he tanks them and he has no prep or info on Voldemort he wouldn`t know what to expect or how to expect it, he wouldn`t know what he is capable of. Also speedblitz is also turned off so Superman wouldn`t speedblitz at those speeds either and Voldemort can use Crucio which requires no physical contact and he can do wandless spells. Also with the Elder Wand, Voldemort can enhance his own magic which means Avada Kedavra would be more powerfully effective, one hit and Superman would drop to the floor dead.

The problem is that Avada Kedavra can be blocked by physical objects, which is different than how magic was portrayed in comics. Superman's durability is derived from microscopically thin force field that permeates his cells, which can acts like a barrier from the killing curse. Superman, a lot of times, he dodge attack even if it questionably couldn't harm him, he's smart and he will just stay on safe side if he notice that Voldemort is casting spell, something non-magical villains don't do.

Speedblitz off doesn't mean that he can't use that speed to dodge, and that doesn't turn off his reflexes.

That doesn`t prove, attribute correctly or justify a thing. Magic is magic, if Superman is vulnerable and susceptible then he is vulnerable and susceptible, the Killing Curse doesn`t work on inanimate objects because they do not have life, it only kills and takes away life which Superman obviously has and is a standing representation of, The Killing Curse attacks the soul directly and it drains the life force out of that very soul to the absolute 0%. Its not really a physical attack, that is why its always portrayed as being an immediate killing method that doesn`t leave any injury or wounds when making contact with the victim of its deadly as well as inevitable nature also Superman has no answer for Crucio which doesn`t require physical contact, it attacks the target directly and Voldemort can use it instantly also Voldemort has telekinetic based abilities, he tossed a giant aside with the wave of his hand. Voldemort can cast wandless spells without incantation and he would be invisible as well, Superman is in a random encounter with no info he wouldn`t know what to expect from Voldemort but Voldemort actually has three days of prep.

But it does factor into the chances of Superman using his overall speed compound of associative abilities to the absolute maximum degree and Voldemort can just use Crucio which doesn`t require physical contact. Superman`s reflexes, senses or combat speed won`t save him from that, on top of that Voldemort has the Elder`s Wand which enhances one`s magic so he technically and realistically murderstomps.

Superman don't have to go to his maximum speed to be effective against Voldemort, I think even Quicksilver is too fast for Voldemort to react. Given that if Voldemort make any sudden move, Superman should see it, even a simple gesture. Given that Superman's perception speed is on nanosecond time frame, Killing Curse would take at least 33 years to reach Superman if it cast from one meter. And Voldemort haven't show capability to project Killing Curse non-verbally, and the curse is in a form which you can see as green bolt.

I don't mean Killing Curse work on animated object, but it can be block by that mean, and Superman's force field isolate his skin from the environment, which is no different than putting microscopically thin shield in front of you. Harry Potter hide behind the gravestone and he's saved from the spells. The only type of magic that can surpass Superman's aura is pretty much the one that can ignore physical objects (most of Superman's mystical opponents have this), which is not attribute of the Killing Curse.

Voldemort has the element of surprise and Superman has no answers for Crucio, Superman is in character here which means he would analyze the situation before making any significant moves and Voldemort can teleport as well as fly instantly, Voldemort doesn`t need to hit Superman head on with the Killing Curse he can have him subdued with Crucio or possession and then the Killing Curse would be more viable, like I said Superman doesn`t usually dodge attacks or avoid them outright unless he knows what the enemy is capable of, he tanks the assault or tries to resist it to overpower the enemy its within his character, nature and personality. On top of those facts he doesn`t have no prep whatsoever so how would he know what this attack is or what its effects are? Voldemort can even cast the spell non verbally or without the use of incantation.

Killing Curse was only blocked under certain conditions such as Harry`s love protection via his mother`s sacrifice which is a plot device and by wizards who use magic also Priori Icantatem which is a establishment of the connection between two wands.

Voldemort raised his wand and another jet of green light streaked at Dumbledore

Text in context in which it is officially taken and confirmed - Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix Chapter 36.

Another jet of green light flew from behind the silver shield. This time it was the one-armed centaur, galloping in front of Dumbledore, that took the blast and shattered into a hundred pieces.

Superman doesn`t use no magic, has no knowledge or no defense for this assault. Like I said that furthers my point, the reason why it doesn`t harm Harry or any other of the HP characters is because they hide behind large and inanimate objects, I believe within the book a Centaur shielded Dumbledore from the Killing Curse and it exploded instantly, that showcases the differences of area in effect in regards to inanimate objects and living beings, if Superman is hit with the Killing Curse then he will die. It doesn`t target an aura nor does it target something very specific like cells it targets the soul directly and drains that life force.

It doesn't matter what the target, if there's inanimate object in-between the target, the Killing Curse would not get to the target. Superman's cells are isolated from the environment, so it's considered a physical barrier. This is the most important factor in battle.

And by the way, Superman encountered a lot of magic-based opponent, so facing Voldemort is not a first-time experience. If he foresee a suspicion that Voldemort's slightest gesture is not natural, he would know immediately it was a magic. If it magic, it would be wise for Superman to dodge, and when he analyse, he analyse it faster than supercomputer. Even I could distinguished between a person who will be using magic against me or a physical attack.

There is no proof nor guarantee that Superman would have this advantage or beneficial circumstance, if hits Superman then he will die, there would be no object to interfere, cells have nothing to do with anything, its magic and this force that defies nature as well as physics bypasses Superman`s durability or physiological setups. Superman doesn`t even know how to counter this spell and he still has no answer for Crucio or possession, so Voldemort doesn`t need to rely on it anyways.

The difference though is Superman has no knowledge or prep surrounding the situation when he fights against magic users it is under a certain circumstance and like I said Superman tanks attacks meaning he wouldn`t know it until it hit him. If he knew Voldemort then he would know by standard procedural safety measures to dodge or avoid the attack for all we know he could mistake it as being an energy blast of some kind and during the time when Superman fights certain magic users he would try to resist or overpower them so your point is pretty much invalid. He would analyze and get his by Crucio in which he would be torture beyond measure till no end until his heart stops beating or Voldemort could transfigure him into a squirrel and have him crushed once he weakened or subdued. Also you are forgetting about the Elder Wand which enhances Voldemort`s magic so I don`t see how Superman is winning this.

I might not make a clear point in the first place, but I got my writing skill to blame, but I could try again. Superman's natural durability is no better than regular human, it's the microscopically thin force aura that makes him invulnerable, he's not like Hulk or something where he relies on his skin to protect him from harms. The object that interfere the Killing Curse would be this force field, and all magic is different, and Killing Curse is a type of magic that can be block. If it other spells, it would be different, but not for Killing Curse. Not all magic defies nature as I and others have repeated several times that Killing Curse can be blocked by physical, non-enchanted objects.

In ideal circumstance, there're easy way for Superman to knockout Voldemort as soon as the fight start, this work even with moral on. The only way for Voldemort to beat Superman is when you actually write a comic, but in battle, the circumstance are assumed to be ideal.

#123 Edited by frogdog (3549 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman has faced stronger magic users that make HP universe look small in comparison, voldy isn't anything special.

#124 Posted by Deranged Midget (17974 posts) - - Show Bio

Magic doesn't affect Superman's abilities, he's merely more vulnerable to it. Hasn't stopped him from fighting far superior magical opponents such as Black Adam or Billy Batson. Nonetheless, despite what kind of magic Voldemort tosses at Kal, he won't have the slightest chance in hitting him due to him being infinitely faster. Add on the fact that Voldemort doesn't have a chance in surviving a blow from Kal and it's basically game over.

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#125 Posted by frogdog (3549 posts) - - Show Bio

Magic doesn't affect Superman's abilities, he's merely more vulnerable to it. Hasn't stopped him from fighting far superior magical opponents such as Black Adam or Billy Batson. Nonetheless, despite what kind of magic Voldemort tosses at Kal, he won't have the slightest chance in hitting him due to him being infinitely faster. Add on the fact that Voldemort doesn't have a chance in surviving a blow from Kal and it's basically game over.

So /thread?

#126 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (20261 posts) - - Show Bio

@frogdog said:

Superman has faced stronger magic users that make HP universe look small in comparison, voldy isn't anything special.

not sure what you mean by "stronger magic".. care to explain?

#127 Posted by debeze (243 posts) - - Show Bio

so if goku >superman

then voldemort wins

#128 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7043 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman with morals on would still win.

#129 Posted by Deranged Midget (17974 posts) - - Show Bio

@frogdog said:

Superman has faced stronger magic users that make HP universe look small in comparison, voldy isn't anything special.

not sure what you mean by "stronger magic".. care to explain?

Zatanna, Black Adam and Billy Batson just to name a few. And yes, before you state that BA and Shazam aren't more accustomed to utilizing magic, they are also several thousand times more physically capable than Voldemort on top of possessing high level magical capabilities and Kal still holds his own.

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#130 Edited by NeonGameWave (9141 posts) - - Show Bio

@neongamewave said:

@angryhulks said:

@neongamewave said:

@angryhulks said:

@neongamewave said:

@angryhulks said:

@neongamewave said:

@angryhulks said:

@neongamewave: Even if Wonder Woman's tiara is not made out of magic, she would still be strong enough to toss her tiara with enough force to cut Superman. But even if Superman is completely defenseless against magic, Voldemort still have no hope of tagging him even if Superman move just below the speed of sound. OP imposing moral on Superman doesn't mean they cut of his access to nanosecond reflexes and ability to move near light speed.

That is true and it furthers my point, Avada Kedavra is not merely portrayed to be a physical attack but it attacks one`s direct life force and drains them of their life,. Superman doesn`t outright dodge attacks he tanks them and he has no prep or info on Voldemort he wouldn`t know what to expect or how to expect it, he wouldn`t know what he is capable of. Also speedblitz is also turned off so Superman wouldn`t speedblitz at those speeds either and Voldemort can use Crucio which requires no physical contact and he can do wandless spells. Also with the Elder Wand, Voldemort can enhance his own magic which means Avada Kedavra would be more powerfully effective, one hit and Superman would drop to the floor dead.

The problem is that Avada Kedavra can be blocked by physical objects, which is different than how magic was portrayed in comics. Superman's durability is derived from microscopically thin force field that permeates his cells, which can acts like a barrier from the killing curse. Superman, a lot of times, he dodge attack even if it questionably couldn't harm him, he's smart and he will just stay on safe side if he notice that Voldemort is casting spell, something non-magical villains don't do.

Speedblitz off doesn't mean that he can't use that speed to dodge, and that doesn't turn off his reflexes.

That doesn`t prove, attribute correctly or justify a thing. Magic is magic, if Superman is vulnerable and susceptible then he is vulnerable and susceptible, the Killing Curse doesn`t work on inanimate objects because they do not have life, it only kills and takes away life which Superman obviously has and is a standing representation of, The Killing Curse attacks the soul directly and it drains the life force out of that very soul to the absolute 0%. Its not really a physical attack, that is why its always portrayed as being an immediate killing method that doesn`t leave any injury or wounds when making contact with the victim of its deadly as well as inevitable nature also Superman has no answer for Crucio which doesn`t require physical contact, it attacks the target directly and Voldemort can use it instantly also Voldemort has telekinetic based abilities, he tossed a giant aside with the wave of his hand. Voldemort can cast wandless spells without incantation and he would be invisible as well, Superman is in a random encounter with no info he wouldn`t know what to expect from Voldemort but Voldemort actually has three days of prep.

But it does factor into the chances of Superman using his overall speed compound of associative abilities to the absolute maximum degree and Voldemort can just use Crucio which doesn`t require physical contact. Superman`s reflexes, senses or combat speed won`t save him from that, on top of that Voldemort has the Elder`s Wand which enhances one`s magic so he technically and realistically murderstomps.

Superman don't have to go to his maximum speed to be effective against Voldemort, I think even Quicksilver is too fast for Voldemort to react. Given that if Voldemort make any sudden move, Superman should see it, even a simple gesture. Given that Superman's perception speed is on nanosecond time frame, Killing Curse would take at least 33 years to reach Superman if it cast from one meter. And Voldemort haven't show capability to project Killing Curse non-verbally, and the curse is in a form which you can see as green bolt.

I don't mean Killing Curse work on animated object, but it can be block by that mean, and Superman's force field isolate his skin from the environment, which is no different than putting microscopically thin shield in front of you. Harry Potter hide behind the gravestone and he's saved from the spells. The only type of magic that can surpass Superman's aura is pretty much the one that can ignore physical objects (most of Superman's mystical opponents have this), which is not attribute of the Killing Curse.

Voldemort has the element of surprise and Superman has no answers for Crucio, Superman is in character here which means he would analyze the situation before making any significant moves and Voldemort can teleport as well as fly instantly, Voldemort doesn`t need to hit Superman head on with the Killing Curse he can have him subdued with Crucio or possession and then the Killing Curse would be more viable, like I said Superman doesn`t usually dodge attacks or avoid them outright unless he knows what the enemy is capable of, he tanks the assault or tries to resist it to overpower the enemy its within his character, nature and personality. On top of those facts he doesn`t have no prep whatsoever so how would he know what this attack is or what its effects are? Voldemort can even cast the spell non verbally or without the use of incantation.

Killing Curse was only blocked under certain conditions such as Harry`s love protection via his mother`s sacrifice which is a plot device and by wizards who use magic also Priori Icantatem which is a establishment of the connection between two wands.

Voldemort raised his wand and another jet of green light streaked at Dumbledore

Text in context in which it is officially taken and confirmed - Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix Chapter 36.

Another jet of green light flew from behind the silver shield. This time it was the one-armed centaur, galloping in front of Dumbledore, that took the blast and shattered into a hundred pieces.

Superman doesn`t use no magic, has no knowledge or no defense for this assault. Like I said that furthers my point, the reason why it doesn`t harm Harry or any other of the HP characters is because they hide behind large and inanimate objects, I believe within the book a Centaur shielded Dumbledore from the Killing Curse and it exploded instantly, that showcases the differences of area in effect in regards to inanimate objects and living beings, if Superman is hit with the Killing Curse then he will die. It doesn`t target an aura nor does it target something very specific like cells it targets the soul directly and drains that life force.

It doesn't matter what the target, if there's inanimate object in-between the target, the Killing Curse would not get to the target. Superman's cells are isolated from the environment, so it's considered a physical barrier. This is the most important factor in battle.

And by the way, Superman encountered a lot of magic-based opponent, so facing Voldemort is not a first-time experience. If he foresee a suspicion that Voldemort's slightest gesture is not natural, he would know immediately it was a magic. If it magic, it would be wise for Superman to dodge, and when he analyse, he analyse it faster than supercomputer. Even I could distinguished between a person who will be using magic against me or a physical attack.

There is no proof nor guarantee that Superman would have this advantage or beneficial circumstance, if hits Superman then he will die, there would be no object to interfere, cells have nothing to do with anything, its magic and this force that defies nature as well as physics bypasses Superman`s durability or physiological setups. Superman doesn`t even know how to counter this spell and he still has no answer for Crucio or possession, so Voldemort doesn`t need to rely on it anyways.

The difference though is Superman has no knowledge or prep surrounding the situation when he fights against magic users it is under a certain circumstance and like I said Superman tanks attacks meaning he wouldn`t know it until it hit him. If he knew Voldemort then he would know by standard procedural safety measures to dodge or avoid the attack for all we know he could mistake it as being an energy blast of some kind and during the time when Superman fights certain magic users he would try to resist or overpower them so your point is pretty much invalid. He would analyze and get his by Crucio in which he would be torture beyond measure till no end until his heart stops beating or Voldemort could transfigure him into a squirrel and have him crushed once he weakened or subdued. Also you are forgetting about the Elder Wand which enhances Voldemort`s magic so I don`t see how Superman is winning this.

I might not make a clear point in the first place, but I got my writing skill to blame, but I could try again. Superman's natural durability is no better than regular human, it's the microscopically thin force aura that makes him invulnerable, he's not like Hulk or something where he relies on his skin to protect him from harms. The object that interfere the Killing Curse would be this force field, and all magic is different, and Killing Curse is a type of magic that can be block. If it other spells, it would be different, but not for Killing Curse. Not all magic defies nature as I and others have repeated several times that Killing Curse can be blocked by physical, non-enchanted objects.

In ideal circumstance, there're easy way for Superman to knockout Voldemort as soon as the fight start, this work even with moral on. The only way for Voldemort to beat Superman is when you actually write a comic, but in battle, the circumstance are assumed to be ideal.

You did bring up a lot of interesting, reasonable and cool points as I honorably respect your opinion, however the facts are as clear as day. The Killing Curse like I already explained doesn`t target the physical properties of the victim it attacks the soul and the differences in magic is more so in regards to the effect, technique and level, but magic is magic, the effect that is being accomplished here is immediate or instant death, you haven`t given any shred of evidence to support your claims in regards to this magical technique being different to that of other magic or it it being now blocked by Superman`s defensive systems and if that was the case, it would mean Superman would have a special defense against all magics of this nature which is obviously not true, this logic is flawed. You have only safe guarded your arguments with opinions, the Killing Curse is ineffective when in the colliding of inanimate objects and even if it didn`t work, Voldemort could still use Crucio, possession and etc, these points are crucial yet you overlook them. Voldemort also has the Elder Wand which enhances his dark magic, this ultimately means that his spells would be far more effective and devastating, Superman has no defenses against these types of methodical assaults that involve the forces of magic, you haven`t proven anything but only assumed and clarified what you knew as you related it back to try in order of attempt to correspond with something you hope to understand. Also I have a question, if Superman can somehow magically have a resistance for the Killing Curse then how will he counter Crucio, possession or a spell Voldemort has created from the three days of prep he possesses?

No it wouldn`t. Superman is in character and it is a random encounter, the chances of him doing that are slim to none also writing a comic or anything of that fictional structure contained within a structured story doesn`t mean anything or have any bearing on the conditions of this fight, also you forget that Superman cannot speedblitz and he has no counters for Crucio.

#131 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (20261 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1 said:

@frogdog said:

Superman has faced stronger magic users that make HP universe look small in comparison, voldy isn't anything special.

not sure what you mean by "stronger magic".. care to explain?

Zatanna, Black Adam and Billy Batson just to name a few. And yes, before you state that BA and Shazam aren't more accustomed to utilizing magic, they are also several thousand times more physically capable than Voldemort on top of possessing high level magical capabilities and Kal still holds his own.

Well, obviously they're physically capable and all, but "stronger magic"?

#132 Posted by Deranged Midget (17974 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: BA and Shazam definitely don't pass Voldemort in terms of magical capability but they aren't slouches either and they are both an infinitely greater threat than Voldemort would ever be to Kal due to being an even stand-point in regards to their physical prowess as well as tossing in relatively powerful magic powers stemming from Olympian gods and the Wizard.

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#133 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (20261 posts) - - Show Bio

@deranged_midget: Didn't say they were not greater threats.. I'm just curious what he meant by 'stronger magic'. Because the magic of hpverse is very, very specific. The spells do they are meant to do, generally. Even if they can't warp reality or stop time and stuff, that doesn't make a particular curse any weaker, imo.

#134 Posted by MisterWhisper (2209 posts) - - Show Bio

@neongamewave:

I still do not think you are getting the difference between a speedblitz and just plain using his speed.

Superman could dodge everything Voldemort does all day if he wants to. He could give him a speech on why he should give up his evil ways, and then continue dodging for a few hours just because he wants to, then just take care of him at his leisure.

#135 Edited by Deranged Midget (17974 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: Don't know what he meant mate! Guess you'll have to wait for his response :)

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#136 Edited by frogdog (3549 posts) - - Show Bio

@deranged_midget: Didn't say they were not greater threats.. I'm just curious what he meant by 'stronger magic'. Because the magic of hpverse is very, very specific. The spells do they are meant to do, generally. Even if they can't warp reality or stop time and stuff, that doesn't make a particular curse any weaker, imo.

In the sense that their magic work on mortals far more powerful in the HP universe. One of Doctor Fate's magic spell sent a planet to the sun.

#137 Posted by Carter_esque (6447 posts) - - Show Bio

LMAO!!! But in all seriousness, Supes wins this too easily.

#138 Edited by NeonGameWave (9141 posts) - - Show Bio

@misterwhisper said:

@neongamewave:

I still do not think you are getting the difference between a speedblitz and just plain using his speed.n

Superman could dodge everything Voldemort does all day if he wants to. He could give him a speech on why he should give up his evil ways, and then continue dodging for a few hours just because he wants to, then just take care of him at his leisure.

I am aware and I understand the difference.

Not true, he won`t be able to dodge Crucio and Voldemort has the Elder`s Wand which means his magic would be alot greater in power, it`s not as easy as you are making it out to be. Voldemort can possess Superman, use Crucio which requires no physical contact and it strikes at any distance. Superman`s speed, reflexes and senses wouldn`t help him against Crucio.

#139 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (20261 posts) - - Show Bio

@frogdog: But does sending the planet to sun mean that his killing magic is better than ak? (For one person?)

#140 Edited by ImmortalOne (3539 posts) - - Show Bio

Actually it can and it does. Superman utilizes acceleration when going at certain speeds so in a way you can say that his speed does rely on some form of alteration or change in mechanic and dynamic. PIS and CIS was involved in those cases also the movies differ from the books in terms of the actual depiction of the spells that take place and if Avada Kedavra was very slow as you mention then regardless of the situation Cedric would doge it also Cedric is a top skilled wizard and its not like the attack hit him when it was not expected it was used with incantation.

I don't see what Superman utilizing acceleration when going at speeds has anything to do with the speed of the spells. Please, stop calling it PIS without any proof. Spells have never been shown to go especially fast in the first place, nothing suggests that they can go above bullet speed, for example. It's not like they've ever been going at lightspeed, and it was just a few isolated cases. The fact is, characters have been able to react to these spells multiple times throughout the series.

@neongamewave said:

Voldemort while invisible wouldn`t attempt to make any significant noises or sounds and he can summon dementors also he can use transfiguration. Actually that doesn`t make sense considering the many conditions, Voldemort can use wandless magic, Voldemort would be invisible and Superman has no prep in regards to this fight he wouldn`t know Voldemort`s abilities and methods, and actually that logic loses its standing in regards to validity, if you are to reason within that route of perspective then I can turn the speed argument against you or expose the flaw within your fallacious assumptions that reverse or contradict with your own reasons because Superman cannot speedblitz as mentioned and confirmed by the OP also he has morals also this is a random encounter so there`s no proof that he would be zipping around at high speeds.

I don't really think that you understand the extent of Superman's senses. In this scan, he heard something from the 2000 feet underground, while up in space. Further scans show that he can pick up individual hearbeats and breathing, do you actually think that he can't hear Voldemort? Honestly, that's ridiculous.

Also, your whole argument really seems to be saying that Superman won't use his speed at all, and just stand there and let Voldemort blast him with spells, just because "he doesn't know the extent of Voldemort's powers." What about Voldemort? Voldemort's first tactic is usually just to spam Avada Kedavra a bunch of times. He did it against the Potters, he used it against Harry again in the finale, he seems to only bring out the big guns against Dumbledore. What's to say his arrogance won't just make him do that, in which case, Superman turns around, blasts his wand out of his hand, and then freezes him into a Voldemortsicle? You can't prove that Superman wouldn't use his speed, while I can prove that he does. Please stop repeating "Superman won't use superspeed" because that's quite dumb.

As I've already said, multiple times, Superman does use his speed in combat. But, here's him using superspeed vs Subjekt-17, who he had never met before- http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/705/superman65614oa2.jpg

There, here's some proof for you.

@neongamewave said:

Death Eaters and Dementors would be present during the battle also this would further Voldemort`s chances of winning.

I don't even know why you are considering this tactic. Can Superman go to the Watchtower and ask the Justice League for help? In that case, he doesn't just win, he stomps. Anyways, it's not like Superman can't take on hordes of enemies.

Like I said, speed doesn`t determine everything and he wouldn`t blitz somebody he doesn`t know also Superman usually tanks attacks so there is a good chance that he would try to tank Voldemort`s attacks not knowing that he uses magic rather than avoid or speedblitz Voldemort into submission.

Superman does not usually tank attacks. It's ridiculous, your whole argument is just "Superman wouldn't use speed, Superman would just try to tank Voldemort's attacks," which is completely and utterly false.

Here's multiple times where Superman dodges or blocks attacks, not just letting them hit him.

http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/probesupes14.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img399/1894/supermanvswwry2.jpg

http://oi42.tinypic.com/a6zck.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/33202/652930-supesspeed6_super.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/125071/2630294-superman_v2_170___11.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/125071/2629179-supermanvol2153_11.jpg

#141 Posted by frogdog (3549 posts) - - Show Bio

@frogdog: But does sending the planet to sun mean that his killing magic is better than ak? (For one person?)

Yes considering he has killed beings with planet durability.

#142 Edited by AllStarSuperman (23001 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman said:

Superman stomps. He's faster. Stronger. Smarter. Way more durable. And cooler. He could see voldemort with supervision. He could still hear him. And all voldemorts spells will be easily dodged. This is borderline spite

What if Superman tries to tank dead spell? He's lost then, but if he know about his spells than he destroys him in one second.

he could tank it anyway, he still has superhuman durablility and kryptonian armor.

#143 Posted by MirrorWave4 (1099 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

#144 Edited by UltimateHero0406 (2171 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingjohnrocks: Yeah but I meant what specifically would he do in his prep time?

#145 Posted by Kingjohnrocks (2008 posts) - - Show Bio

@ultimatehero0406: Perhaps cast some protection charms, coat himself with some potions, even create a spell to use specifically against Superman.

#146 Posted by UltimateHero0406 (2171 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingjohnrocks: I suppose. But are you sure he can hit Superman? Even without speed, he still has insane reflexes.

#147 Posted by Kingjohnrocks (2008 posts) - - Show Bio

@ultimatehero0406: Hit? Well, I think if he has full knowledge he'd summon a legion of Dementors and cast a Muggle repelling spell. It is also in-character for Superman to attempt an arrest before going in to kill. If Voldemort casted Avada Kedavra and it hit Superman, he'd die.

Still, I'm confident Dementors could rip Superman apart.

#148 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (20261 posts) - - Show Bio

@frogdog said:

@princearagorn1 said:

@frogdog: But does sending the planet to sun mean that his killing magic is better than ak? (For one person?)

Yes considering he has killed beings with planet durability.

He does have stronger spells, but how can we say that his killing curse, if he has one, is stronger than ak? His style of using magic is entirely different from that of hp..

#149 Posted by ssejllenrad (12790 posts) - - Show Bio

Still, I'm confident Dementors could rip Superman apart.

What?!?!?!?! The guy who has durability feats of withstanding supernova type explosions (not pre-crisis mind you) gets ripped by Dementors?!?!?!?!

#150 Posted by Deranged Midget (17974 posts) - - Show Bio

It is also in-character for Superman to attempt an arrest before going in to kill.

No it's not... He does that with random thugs and goons, not with super villains and those who potentially can kill him. Besides embarrassing Luthor on multiple occasions after beating him senseless, he's never attempted to "arrest" a super villain who was bent on ending his life.

And being one of the only beings on Earth who can react and keep up with Flash, surviving planet colliding explosions and casually ripping through moons is going to be ripped apart by Dementors?

C'mon mate...

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