#1 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

Can a gadget defeat a superhero?

can a lightsaber cut through Superman? I put both gadget knowledge and superhero knowledge to the test and came up with reasons why it could and reasons why it couldn't.

Yes

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• If the lightsaber crystal was green kryptonite, then Superman would melt like a hot knife through even hotter butter.

• Superman's been injured by lasers before (see most aliens he's fought), so an extremely focused laser like a lightsaber could possibly hurt him if applied directly to the skin for a long enough time.

• If he were under the effects of kryptonite, when even bullets can hurt him, then a lightsaber could definitely chop off parts of his body.

No

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• It would just burn off his clothes, like in Superman 2, but it wouldn't hurt him.

• He uses lasers (his own heat vision) to shave himself, so the best the lightsaber could do would to singe his chest hair, or give him a nice shave down there.

• Jedi can't actually cut through "everything" with the sword. Example: the big huge door in Episode I. They had to jam in their lightsabers and "melt" a doorway inside the door. The sword was fast to go into the door because they applied all the force to the tip, but was slow cutting because the Jedi are only so strong. Picture you cutting through a watermelon. In the same principle, a lightsaber technically might be able to cut through Superman, but there's nobody strong enough to force it through. Unless you somehow get the Hulk to use a lightsaber. But the Hulk doesn't exist.

random thoughts...

M

#2 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"Can a gadget defeat a superhero? can a lightsaber cut through Superman? I put both gadget knowledge and superhero knowledge to the test and came up with reasons why it could and reasons why it couldn't. Yes === • If the lightsaber crystal was green kryptonite, then Superman would melt like a hot knife through even hotter butter. • Superman's been injured by lasers before (see most aliens he's fought), so an extremely focused laser like a lightsaber could possibly hurt him if applied directly to the skin for a long enough time. • If he were under the effects of kryptonite, when even bullets can hurt him, then a lightsaber could definitely chop off parts of his body. No == • It would just burn off his clothes, like in Superman 2, but it wouldn't hurt him. • He uses lasers (his own heat vision) to shave himself, so the best the lightsaber could do would to singe his chest hair, or give him a nice shave down there. • Jedi can't actually cut through "everything" with the sword. Example: the big huge door in Episode I. They had to jam in their lightsabers and "melt" a doorway inside the door. The sword was fast to go into the door because they applied all the force to the tip, but was slow cutting because the Jedi are only so strong. Picture you cutting through a watermelon. In the same principle, a lightsaber technically might be able to cut through Superman, but there's nobody strong enough to force it through. Unless you somehow get the Hulk to use a lightsaber. But the Hulk doesn't exist. ------ random thoughts... M "

Methos, you scare me sometimes with what you think about.

#3 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

lol, it's a purely logical argument :p

M

#4 Posted by Copy (8336 posts) - - Show Bio

You think to much lol. And cool pic.

#5 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"lol, it's a purely logical argument :p M"

It is, but still Methos, why? LoL.

#6 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

why not?

it was a question, so i answered it with pure logic :D

M

#7 Posted by Gottheit (3473 posts) - - Show Bio

That's the boredest moderator Gottheit has ever seen.

#8 Posted by NiteFly (1459 posts) - - Show Bio

You didn't mention that lightsabers cannot cut through everything. There are certain alloys that lightsabers cannot cut, and some that are resistant to being cut. Lightsabers also cannot cut through certain energy shields. Also kryptonite may not be able to power a lightsaber. Only certain crystals can even work.

#9 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

it's part 1am nitefly... give me a break lol

M

#10 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

The Force Vs Superman...

hmm...

i doubt it...

for one it's not a mystially based power, it is scientific... so i think it would have the same effect as any normal attack...

i can't see force choke having any effect, unless the force behind it, basically the jedi / sith's willpower Vs Superman's innate strength...

M

#11 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

Force lightning maybe a problem though...

Superman Vs Lightning has never worked out well for him before...

the only problem i see is Superman Vs Jedi Mind Control... Superman's always had a problem against mind tricks before, hell, he's even been hypnotized before lol

M

#12 Posted by Alpha (7331 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"why not? it was a question, so i answered it with pure logic :D M"

I agree with your logic that it wouldn't hurt him. They had a hard enough time cutting through that dorr in episode #1

#13 Posted by Gottheit (3473 posts) - - Show Bio

Here's a question: Would Force Choke and other Force powers work on Kal-El?

#14 Posted by Cryo-Wolf (12662 posts) - - Show Bio

Interesting...Very, Interesting.....

Meditate on this, I shall.

#15 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - - Show Bio

Well we do not know at what power level supes uses his heat vision to shve with. With that being said if it is at or more then what a lightsaber puts out then the jedi is in a bad place. But if the lightsaber is hotter, or more focused then it could very well be capable of cutting him.

I would say a lightsaber could cut supes about as well as a normal sword could a human.

#16 Posted by Gottheit (3473 posts) - - Show Bio

I wonder how much of this information will be applicable on future dates I may have...That's the REAL mystery...

#17 Posted by ulitmateninjagaidenx (2064 posts) - - Show Bio

lightsaber are cool i wish i have one, but i don't thank it won't work on the fly boy

#18 Posted by Ms. Invisible (3292 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman can control how hot he wants his heat-vision to be, right? I've seen it blast through buildings, but at the same time he was able to use his heat-vision as a sewing needle when his symbol fell off from his costume in Birthright.

Like you said, lightsabers uses focused energy, so I'm guessing it could cut through Superman's skin.

#19 Posted by Resonate (15054 posts) - - Show Bio

Eternal Chaos says:

"Methos says:
"Can a gadget defeat a superhero? can a lightsaber cut through Superman? I put both gadget knowledge and superhero knowledge to the test and came up with reasons why it could and reasons why it couldn't. Yes === • If the lightsaber crystal was green kryptonite, then Superman would melt like a hot knife through even hotter butter. • Superman's been injured by lasers before (see most aliens he's fought), so an extremely focused laser like a lightsaber could possibly hurt him if applied directly to the skin for a long enough time. • If he were under the effects of kryptonite, when even bullets can hurt him, then a lightsaber could definitely chop off parts of his body. No == • It would just burn off his clothes, like in Superman 2, but it wouldn't hurt him. • He uses lasers (his own heat vision) to shave himself, so the best the lightsaber could do would to singe his chest hair, or give him a nice shave down there. • Jedi can't actually cut through "everything" with the sword. Example: the big huge door in Episode I. They had to jam in their lightsabers and "melt" a doorway inside the door. The sword was fast to go into the door because they applied all the force to the tip, but was slow cutting because the Jedi are only so strong. Picture you cutting through a watermelon. In the same principle, a lightsaber technically might be able to cut through Superman, but there's nobody strong enough to force it through. Unless you somehow get the Hulk to use a lightsaber. But the Hulk doesn't exist. ------ random thoughts... M "
Methos, you scare me sometimes with what you think about."

Wow..I was planning on doing something along the lines of this...wow lol

#20 Posted by Mighty Magneto (13027 posts) - - Show Bio

Interesting Idea Methos

#21 Posted by Cosmic Sentinel (3749 posts) - - Show Bio

Jedi mind tricks only work against the weak minded, some how I see Superman being a little too focused (especially in a fight) for most Jedi. I agree that the force, not being magical, would probably only effect Superman if the force user was powerful enough to overcome his invulnerability and strength.

Which leaves the lightsaber itself. As has been mentioned, there are substances in the Star Wars universe that are resistant to lightsabers. Superman's protection comes partly (in some versions) from an energy field his body projects. In a way, I see Superman as being like a living vibroweapon, but that's a personal opinion. Of course we're talking about the reaction between two fictional energy fields, so there is no conclusive answer.

If I was to write this as a fight between Superman and one or (probably) more Jedi/Sith, I would say that lightsabers can hurt him, but that he is heavily resistant. In other words, that they can cut him but they only inflict surface wounds as he is like that blast door in Episode 1 requiring continued pressure rather than quick slices to cut deeply.

#22 Posted by NiteFly (1459 posts) - - Show Bio

Agreed.

#23 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"why not? it was a question, so i answered it with pure logic :D M"

It scares me that you asked this question Methos...

#24 Posted by Sparda (15795 posts) - - Show Bio

I think if you got someone strong enough with the LS, it could cut through him, yep. Dunno if there's any Jedi/Sith out there that strong, though.

#25 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Sparda says:

"I think if you got someone strong enough with the LS, it could cut through him, yep. Dunno if there's any Jedi/Sith out there that strong, though."

I say give either Hulk, or Sentry/Void a Lightsaber. It'll go through, and it'll work wonders.

#26 Posted by King Saturn (225163 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont know if a lightsaber would work on Superman

#27 Posted by Copy (8336 posts) - - Show Bio

This whole thing is getting me into Jedi's again.

#28 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - - Show Bio

Jedi and Sith are capable of useing the force to increase thier speed, strength, and agility. So it is possiable that one of them could be strong enough. I just do not know how much they could boost it.

#29 Posted by Alexander Anderson (4030 posts) - - Show Bio

I would say the Superman's skin would not be completely immune, but would still be highly resistant, something along the lines of Mandalorian Iron. Of course, Superman's many other advantages would allow him to murder pretty much any Jedi or Sith, with the possible exception of Darth Nihilus.

#30 Posted by Dormammu (1248 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"Unless you somehow get the Hulk to use a lightsaber. But the Hulk doesn't exist."

Neither does a lightsabre or Superman...

#31 Posted by Adidas Demon (169 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry. too lazy to read every post. So my post might be redone. But: If a lightsaber can't cut Superman. Adamantium has no chance. Right?

#32 Posted by Dormammu (1248 posts) - - Show Bio

I cant see it being able to cut adamantium.

#33 Posted by lordraiden (7611 posts) - - Show Bio

Gottheit says:

"Here's a question: Would Force Choke and other Force powers work on Kal-El?"

Considering his internal organs are invulnerable, I would have to say No! He's too powerfull, too quick to even stand there to be force choked! those sought of tricks work on less powerfull people!

#34 Posted by Superboy-Prime 10000 (402 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"Can a gadget defeat a superhero? can a lightsaber cut through Superman? I put both gadget knowledge and superhero knowledge to the test and came up with reasons why it could and reasons why it couldn't. Yes === • If the lightsaber crystal was green kryptonite, then Superman would melt like a hot knife through even hotter butter. • Superman's been injured by lasers before (see most aliens he's fought), so an extremely focused laser like a lightsaber could possibly hurt him if applied directly to the skin for a long enough time. • If he were under the effects of kryptonite, when even bullets can hurt him, then a lightsaber could definitely chop off parts of his body. No == • It would just burn off his clothes, like in Superman 2, but it wouldn't hurt him. • He uses lasers (his own heat vision) to shave himself, so the best the lightsaber could do would to singe his chest hair, or give him a nice shave down there. • Jedi can't actually cut through "everything" with the sword. Example: the big huge door in Episode I. They had to jam in their lightsabers and "melt" a doorway inside the door. The sword was fast to go into the door because they applied all the force to the tip, but was slow cutting because the Jedi are only so strong. Picture you cutting through a watermelon. In the same principle, a lightsaber technically might be able to cut through Superman, but there's nobody strong enough to force it through. Unless you somehow get the Hulk to use a lightsaber. But the Hulk doesn't exist. ------ random thoughts... M "

I don't think Lightsabers can cut through Superman.According to scientist,lightsabers can be define as Plasma

http://www.light-sabers.net/lightsaber-science.html

"We see plasma every day. The sun itself is made out of plasma, being a giant ball of superheated glowing hydrogen. Lightning is an example of the gases in the atmosphere igniting into a streak of plasma as an electric discharge crashes from sky to Earth. Neon and fluorescent tubes (reminiscent of a lightsaber) are also examples of an electric charge igniting a gas, although at lower temperatures."

Superman has dive into the core of the sun many times just to get power boost.This is where people called "Sundipped" in "Our Worlds at War".So,a little plasma from a lightsaber seems insignificant when compared to heat of the core of the sun.

Superman's heat vision was way hotter than the core of the sun,this is the only thing that can cut through his skin/hair.Using Heat Vision is the only way IIRC for Superman to have his shave.

As for Kryptonite,If I recalled correctly that in the comics Superman was shot numerous times with Kryptonite bullets.Did the bullet cut through his skin?No,the kryptonite bullets shattered when it hits his body.But because of this,it made the work to throw away the shattered pieces of Kryptonite away from Superman become more difficult.

Don't believe that Kryptonite can cut through Superman as you see it in "Smallville" or "Superman Returns"

If a lighsaber is powered by Kryptonite,for example.The radiation leaks out would weaken him,but still,the lightsabers still wouldn't cut through him.Like I've stated above.

But the problem is,Kryptonite is a kind of metal,this is even confirmed by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster in "The K-Metal from Krypton",while Lightsabers are powered Crystal.I doubt that lightsabers powered by Kryptonite would even work normally as it does.

#35 Posted by Legendary Bio Vishanti (3333 posts) - - Show Bio

So if Supes shaves himself with his laser vision, what if a very loud noise occurs and he looks at himself by accident?

#36 Posted by Sparda (15795 posts) - - Show Bio

How does he shave himself like that? Doesn't he have to look at where he's shaving?

How do you look at your chin?

#37 Posted by Superboy-Prime 10000 (402 posts) - - Show Bio

Sparda says:

"How does he shave himself like that? Doesn't he have to look at where he's shaving? How do you look at your chin?"
Haha,Funny.But Superman has Eidetic Memory,right? So,he remembers every hair in his beard perfectly. Here's how he shaves http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnzfxrPove4Early Superman(Silver Age) shaves using a reflective metal from Krypton where he get it from his spaceship.Todays Superman seems just fine by shaving using mirrors.
Post Edited:2008-02-03 03:30:13